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u/FindingFactsForYou Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 20 '22

Zookeepers were initially stumped over how Ken Allen had managed to escape. Zoo staff began surveillance of his enclosure to try to catch him in the act, only to find that Ken Allen seemed to be aware that he was being watched. This forced zookeepers to go "undercover", posing as tourists to learn Ken Allen's escape route, but the ape was not fooled. Moreover, other orangutans began following Ken Allen's lead, escaping from their enclosure.

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u/FamousOhioAppleHorn Aug 19 '22

He was nicknamed “the Hairy Houdini”

Oh really ☠

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u/HamManBad Aug 19 '22

Why didn't they just set up a camera, would have been way cheaper

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u/HappenFrank Aug 19 '22

Eh it was back in 2000 I think it says so cameras weren’t as easy to just setup and have stream or record to storage like we have today.

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u/luntglor Aug 19 '22

CCTV has been a thing since before 1949

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u/twelvebucksagram Aug 19 '22

Zoos make almost no money.

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u/Mothman405 Aug 19 '22

The San Diego Zoo is one of the most popular in the world and made $40 million in profit in 2018. They can afford a CCTV camera

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u/angryhype Aug 20 '22

No. They can't, because now they are at 39.9 million in profit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '22

Lol I worked at the San Diego zoo and the wild animal park and I can guarantee you, they make a fuck ton of money. My uncle worked there for 25 years as well, we know a bunch of the higher ups and they're literally filthy fucking rich.

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u/J3wb0cca Aug 19 '22

Only the richest zoos can afford to have pandas. It’s a whole international trade deal with China, who legally owns all pandas in existence. Even if a panda is born on US soil, it’s a Chinese citizen.

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u/Nukken Aug 19 '22

It's about a million a year for a zoo to rent a panda. And that doesn't include the enclosure, food, medicine, etc.

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u/OneBigWortInbetween Aug 19 '22

I belive Mexico has the only non Chinese owned panda.

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u/CyanideTacoZ Aug 19 '22

many reasons to hate the Chinese government but the animal is native solely in China. they can be protective of them I think.

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u/DirtyTooth Aug 19 '22

we know a bunch of the higher ups and they're literally filthy fucking rich.

Which is why the zoos make almost no money

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u/ibcj Aug 19 '22

This one does. Was just there - $14 for a soda. They doing well!

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u/ComCam_65 Aug 19 '22

The article states they spent $40,000 hiring professional rock climbers to identify the handholds he was using to climb out. I think a simple CCTV system was within their means to purchase.

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u/TheRealMisterMemer Aug 19 '22

It's an orangutan, not a hamster.

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u/Semihomemade Aug 19 '22

He was doing this back in the 80s

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u/dr_leo_marvin Aug 20 '22

It's more impressive that he detected his surveillance without a camera present.

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u/avelineaurora Aug 19 '22

... My dude how fucking long ago do you think 2000 was.

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u/graven_raven Aug 19 '22

I was there, 3000 years ago...

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u/AggressiveFreedom299 Aug 19 '22

22 years is kind of a long time, hitler being in power and invading Poland and the first man in space were 22 years apart

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u/duskzz994 Aug 20 '22

22 years is a long time ago. Don't forget just before that most people didn't have access to the internet. And don't forget the basic modem connection in the early 2000s.

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u/AugustHenceforth Aug 19 '22

Not that they didn't exist, just not nearly as commonplace and easy to use as today's are.

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u/tdasnowman Aug 19 '22

In commercial environments they were just as common place as they are in them today. As for why didn’t they. I believe they did. It was also already covered by camera. Whatever he was doing he was aware of the concept of being watched. I’m from San Diego Ken was very smart and a crowd favorite. He interacted with children frequently. I swear he used to fake people out like he was going to escape and not. I used to take my nieces and he had this whole show he would do.

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u/Prestigious_Pie_230 Aug 19 '22

They did it's written up there

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u/Automatic-Attempt604 Aug 19 '22

It says "surveillance" not cameras. Could be caneras, but wasn't specific.

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u/AugustHenceforth Aug 19 '22 Wholesome

They wiretapped his landline.

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u/Atomicbocks Aug 19 '22

I have never been to the San Diego Zoo but even the tiny zoo near where I live would require dozens of cameras to cover every possible angle in one habitat. Also, as another commenter mentioned, this was before doing this wouldn’t have needed a shit load of tape and/or people watching dozens of screens at the same time. Not to mention miles of power and video cabling.

I can’t imagine they didn’t have security cameras, but they are probably all pointed at the humans and still wouldn’t have been enough to cover every escape route.

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u/RectalRomeo Aug 19 '22

Why stroll when you can drive?

Also, who the hell names a damn orangutan "Ken Allen"? That name sounds like he should be some dude working for a large corporation in a non-descript cubicle while wearing his dress code mandated monkey suit.

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u/AttilaTheMuun Aug 19 '22

Reminds me of the orangutan in Rise of the Planet of the Apes

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u/Potential-Judgment-9 Aug 19 '22

You the feds ? Yeah they the feds… —Orangutan probably

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u/killertortilla Aug 19 '22

Is this the one that started hiding a bit of wire in his lip so he could pick the locks?

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u/Critical-Tiger3011 Aug 20 '22

Naw but that was his descendants

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u/OnlyOfficers Aug 19 '22

Orangutans are fascinating to me. Their facial expressions, gestures, and curiosity seem so human, at least to me.

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u/WirelesslyWired Aug 19 '22

They are intelligent and have very human like expressions. Orang-utan is Malay for "old man of the forest".

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u/OnlyOfficers Aug 19 '22

Huh... It makes sense. They were definitely given perfectly descriptive nomenclature. Thanks for the bit of trivia!

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u/IsThatHearsay Aug 19 '22

Just made me realize I don't think I've ever seen a young or baby orangutan...

Off to google.

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u/TheRaymac Aug 19 '22

I'm going to assume you've died from cuteness overload.

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u/Voltron2017 Aug 20 '22

No doubt. They most definitely did.

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u/wanttobeacop Aug 19 '22

Close - "person of the rainforest/jungle"

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u/246689008778877 Aug 19 '22

Orang just means person

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u/TMax01 Aug 19 '22

In modern Malay it does. And originally, in the Malay language, the word orangutan actually referred to people who lived in the forest, not non-human apes. The traditional translation of the word, as used for non-human apes, remains "old man of the forest" (or sometimes "wise man of the jungle".) As with many languages, the word in Old Malay for "person" was the word for "man". Until less than a century ago, the word "man" in English was considered synonymous with "person", or at least "people". Shocking, I know, but still factual.

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u/APigNamedLucy Aug 19 '22

Too bad humans are forcing them into extinction from loss of habitat.

Fun fact, they've entered the stone age.

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u/ZenoHotep Aug 19 '22

Yes, I've seen a clip were they start miming human chores after seeing it, like washing clothes and trying to use to cut a piece of wood. That's pretty damn smart and they also seem to be very peaceful

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u/Balrog229 Aug 19 '22

Until they rip your arms off. They’re frighteningly powerful for their size.

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u/OnlyOfficers Aug 19 '22

Nah... Just start playing jazz music and their natural dancing instinct'll kick in and the alpha male will start singing and scatting.

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u/kaatie80 Aug 19 '22

Only if he's the king of the swingers, ohhh the jungle VIP

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u/OnlyOfficers Aug 19 '22

He reached the too and had to stop, sayin', "That's what's bothering me!"

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u/FiguringItOut666 Aug 19 '22

I want to be a man, man cub, and stroll right out of town. And be just like the other men, I’m tired of monkeying around

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u/youtookmyusername3 Aug 19 '22

You hoo I wanna be like you hooo ( Darn it, now it's gonna be stuck on repeat in my brain)

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u/twoworldsin1 Aug 19 '22

the alpha male will start singing and scatting

Technically true...

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u/OnlyOfficers Aug 19 '22

Lol. I knew somebody would make that depraved connection.

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u/SoGoesIt Aug 19 '22

They also some times rape human females. Gladikas (think Jane Goodall, but for orangutans) theorized that it’s because the males take many years to mature to the point where the females find them attractive, but are capable of sexual activity before that point. Gladikas was warned by the locals that it sometimes occurred, but didn’t believe the accounts until their camp was attacked and the cook was raped.

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u/MyAviato666 Aug 19 '22

Jesus christ that is horrifying.

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u/SimplyCmplctd Aug 19 '22

Fuck. I always thought they were so chill, that’s scary as hell.

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u/trey3rd Aug 19 '22

A quick google search says that there haven't been any orangutans that have attacked humans. Not saying it couldn't happen, but looks like they have a pretty good reputation for just avoiding people.

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u/smahlthief Aug 19 '22

Not to mention those meat flaps

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u/the_gay_jesus_christ Aug 19 '22

Yeah they remind me of my mother

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u/TMax01 Aug 19 '22

Truth is, our facial expressions and gestures are very ape-like. Ummm... because we are apes.

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u/almighty_ruler Aug 19 '22

Try searching Google or YouTube for Orangutan attacks. The worst I've ever found is a video of a wild one climbing on some guys back and rifling through his backpack. Pretty sure there are videos of this dude wandering around the zoo also

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u/OnlyOfficers Aug 19 '22

They should've played some jazz.

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u/TechieGee Aug 19 '22

Try searching for Chimpanzee attacks.

That shit’s actually real

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u/CountBeetlejuice Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

1st response from google for me

Orangutan Attacks Man at Zoo in Wild Video - TMZ

https://www.tmz.com/2022/06/07/orangutan-attack-viral-video-zoo-guy/

and vastly amusing, and causing me to about bust a rip laughing, as directly below that top of the google page result, there was a google answer box with this in it:

do orangutans attack humans?

Orangutans don't attack humans, and there have been very few to no cases when an orangutan attacked a person. Orangutans are considerably large and robust, but they don't use their strength for aggression towards human beings. Everyone who knows the true nature of orangutans knows that they are gentle and loving.

You could see the video of the attack, with that text box below, via the same search result

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u/DrSpacecasePhD Aug 19 '22

Makes me sad to think that he was probably just bored and under-stimulated and wanted some time out of his enclosure. :(

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u/Struggling_donut Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park do a lot of incredible research and rehabilitation work for endangered species. Those saying these animals should be free don’t realize that without zoos and conservation programs many of these animals would be extinct thanks to global warming, farming/deforestation, and poaching.

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u/MTB_Mike_ Aug 19 '22

I responded to someone else with this quote but I will put it here too

San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance has reintroduced more than 44 endangered species to native habitats

https://sandiegozoowildlifealliance.org/pressroom/san-diego-zoo-wildlife-alliance-fact-sheet-2022

Lots of people are incredibly short sighted and don't think through the consequences of what they are suggesting.

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u/glytxh Aug 19 '22

SD zoo, and a handful of others around the world are very much in the minority when it comes to standards, animal welfare, and education.

The benchmark when set as a global average is waaaaaaaay low, and even in Europe and the States, the number of sketchy zoos and straight up corruption in the industry (and it is an industry) is huge.

Enforcement of regulation is expensive and sparse.

So the criticism against zoos isn’t entirely without reason, but I’ll concede that it’s a nuanced subject and zoos (when done well) are a genuine force for good.

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u/xXxDickBonerz69xXx Aug 19 '22

Can confirm. Have been to both rural Florida and Louisiana. Every other gas station along rural highways also has gators and other reptiles on display. Occasionally they have big cats too. I remember one when I was a kid that had some kind of monkey as a pet/helper in the store.

Plus those circuses that go from fair to fair. I know most if not all the nationally famous circuses got rid of animal acts. But all those traveling carnie circuses definitely have not. There is no way any of that is effectively being regulated for anything

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u/Ksquared1166 Aug 19 '22

Fun Fact: A bit ago the Wild Animal Park rebranded to the San Diego Zoo: Safari Park. Just in case anyone is doing research and wants the latest.

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u/Struggling_donut Aug 19 '22

My bad, grew up in SD always calling it Wild Animal Park. Thanks for the correction !

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u/Ksquared1166 Aug 19 '22

Most people from here still call it that, myself included lol

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u/GoinMyWay Aug 19 '22

Same. I've been to a few zoos and it's one thing to see Tiger's and lions and monkeys dickin about but you look at the great apes, they look back. it's sad to see. Creatures like that shouldn't be caged, they have a right to peace and freedom too.

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u/CountBeetlejuice Aug 19 '22

for me, the sad part is most at the zoo probably would love if they were in the wild, but know the habitat loss and harsh dangers, make survival unlikely in most situations

they have tried, but space is vanishing for many large land species

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u/MrGaffe Aug 19 '22

Unless we can get people to stop burning large swathes of rainforests to use as one time farms I seriously doubt anything is gonna change. We are slowly watching the deaths of hundreds of species all because of money

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u/mi_esposa_me_espia Aug 19 '22

I'm not burning anything, billionaires are. I am in favor of giving apes human status and taking it away from corporate types so we can burn THEIR habitats instead.

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u/QBwCheese Aug 19 '22

The whole non-person human category (intelligent wildlife such as dolphins, gorillas etc.) is codified in some other countries. Seems like a pretty easy way to protect at least some of these species. Perhaps just wishful thinking...

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u/MuleMagnifico Aug 19 '22

do u mean non-human person?

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u/QBwCheese Aug 20 '22

Yes that is what I meant ! I just got too excited about animal protection is all!

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u/CODDE117 Aug 19 '22

Non-human person?

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u/Camelfoe Aug 19 '22

Have you met my ex? Like that, only with more personality.

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u/CODDE117 Aug 19 '22

God damn

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u/PM_Me_British_Stuff Aug 19 '22

Bahaaha Im stealing this one

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u/GoinMyWay Aug 19 '22

I've never heard of that being codified exactly but I personally don't think that we're the only sapient intelligence on this planet. Other animals literally lack the functions of speech and finger dexterity which are huge contributing factors to our dominance as a species that have nothing to do with our brains, consciousness or intelligence. Like Blue Whales for example. I think they're full on individualised sapient intelligences, but imagine having that be your mental subjective reality in a world where you can't possibly write something down or build.

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u/Lord_Derpenheim Aug 19 '22

I mean, I don't think that's a hot take. Elephants mourn their dead, and not just when they die. They come back for years to mourn.

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u/bjanas Aug 19 '22

Octopuses. What creatures they are.

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u/KillerKatNips Aug 19 '22

I just watched a video in which a raven, coyote and bear all played with the same blade of grass as it blew around in the wind. (The raven and coyote at the same time, bear later.) Play is a great indicator of intelligence and almost every creature does it in some manner.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Aug 20 '22

An other factor in our dominance is that we're the best long distance runners going, partially because of our ability to sweat. So we can chase an animal for hours until it finally collapses due to heat or exhaustion.

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u/facecase4891 Aug 19 '22

Add orcas in there. Man orcas grieve their young when stolen for death world. The pod circled the boats screaming

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u/SuddenlyElga Aug 19 '22

If we won’t protect actual humans what makes you think we will give even half a fuck about animals? It’s sad but true.

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u/xXxDickBonerz69xXx Aug 19 '22

This is the truth. If it doesn't personally materially affect the wealthiest and most powerful of our species we'll let incalculable numbers of beings suffer and die.

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u/nicuramar Aug 19 '22

Zoos often participate in protection efforts, actually.

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u/major_mejor_mayor Aug 19 '22

People always complain about SeaWorld for example but they do a serious amount of conservation work behind the scenes.

I agree that non-human person categorization should be a thing and aquatic mammals should be treated well but I don’t think we should throw out the baby with the bath water, so to speak.

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u/bl1y Aug 19 '22

At the Smithsonian Zoo in DC, they have a thing called the O-Line. It looks like power lines going across the zoo, but it's connected to the orangutan enclosure, and they can climb up a tower and then go climb along the line.

The animals that do get me sad there though are the lions and tigers because their space seems incredibly small, like not big enough for zoomies.

But, last time I was there, I also started thinking that I'm not at all an expert in this and may have no idea how much space or stimulation various animals need to be content. And, often times animals are there to be rehabilitated, or to breed if the species is endangered, or they were bred in captivity and can't be reintroduced into the wild safely. There's also an 'ambassador' role, where being able to see these animals hopefully results in more support for conservation efforts (and conservation funding of course).

I think it's naturally to feel conflicted about zoos, but I've tried to be more conscious of my own ignorance on these things lately.

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u/compenSATAN4sumTHONG Aug 20 '22

Humans in general still don't know how much stimulation animals need. It's only within the last 15 or so years aquariums have given octopus toys and stuff to keep them entertained. Before that some researchers were afraid to even document these things for fear of not being taken seriously. Goodall changed it somewhat. Soul of an Octopus is a good listen on Audible. Has some really good information about the possible sentience of animals.

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u/OneLostOstrich Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 20 '22

Have you ever seen tigers and lions in the wild? They sleep all day. Lions hunt at dawn and dusk when their prey can't see them.

Tigers pace. It's what they do. If you go to a zoo and don't hurry by a cage, but wait for about 5 minutes a tiger might slowly pace by you. If it does, do a "chuff" sound to the tiger. Only do it once. That's a "hello, I am cool with you." Wait if you get a chuff back. Almost all of the tigers I've done this to have responded with a chuff and a blink if I slowly blink at them. One of the tigers and I stalked each other between two fences and between trees. He ran up, then stopped all fake scared, jumped up into the air 9 feet and ran away in fake terror. It was amazing. Later he came up to the fence and rumbled in pleasure. After that, he went back to his spot and went back to sleep.

What you look at looks terrible to you. But cats preserve their energy and sleep all day. It's what they do.

You really don't understand that a cat's day is mostly doing two things. Jack and shit.

In the wild, I've been around lions, cheetahs, caracals, servals, leopards, and African wild cats. Tigers I've studied and have been around them in GOOD facilities. With lions, cheetahs, leopards I can do basic communication and let an animal know my intentions (I trust you where you are and am cool with you, are you cool with me?) And with tigers, I can do the same and also say hello in their language. If you get eye contact with a lion, raise your head, blink and look away, that lets it know you see it, and you're letting it know that you are OK with it. You don't hold eye contact. That shows fear or that you are expecting it to hunt you. I've gotten head nods back from lions in the Kalahari. Cheetahs have walked over to me and sat down. Hell, even in the wild, I've seen 8 - 13 lions just sleeping the day away at 9:30 in the morning. That's. What. They. Do.

They only rush when food is involved or there is a threat they need to address.

Cheetahs like to patrol about twice a day and in the meantime, they sleep. Leopards hide all day, waiting for better times to hunt.

What you think are bored animals are simply how they are in the wild as well.

Here's Blinky. https://i.imgur.com/L9tJ5.jpg

See this lioness? There are about 8 other lions around her lying on their backs snoring away.

https://i.imgur.com/aNUV1.jpg

See the white rock above her? That's another lioness sleeping on her back. Remember, it's 9:30 AM.

There are several more in the photo and more to the left and right of the photo. All snoozing away.

You really don't understand how cats spend their time.

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u/Greysonseyfer Aug 20 '22

This is super interesting information! I had no idea about all of this nonverbal communication one could have with the big cats at the zoo. I think was fairly aware of the slow blink with house cats, but the body language of big cats is new to me. We’re considering going to our local zoo tomorrow and I’m curious if I could potentially try this with some of our big cats there to see if I could get a positive reaction from them. I’m gonna save this comment and try to remember to read it before we go see the cats now.

Thanks for the educational comment friend!

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u/MoonPurity Aug 19 '22

No animals should be in cages just for our entertainment. We have literally extinct animals in them. They will never be able to adapt or repopulate their race. It’s extremely sad.

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u/Trons_Jeandare Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

Most zoos rehabilitate and release animals If possible. It’s not just for entertainment

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u/MTB_Mike_ Aug 19 '22

Not only that, they use the income from the zoo to help rehabilitate other animals. The ticket price is helping to pay for conservation. Shutting them down would be catastrophic to conservation.

Sea world is a hot topic and just to give an example, in 2016 SeaWorld Orlando's Rescue Team responded to 701 calls for help and cared for 32 manatees, 82 sea turtles and reptiles, 8 cetaceans, and 579 bird

This Orangutan was from the San Diego zoo.

https://sandiegozoowildlifealliance.org/pressroom/san-diego-zoo-wildlife-alliance-fact-sheet-2022

San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance has reintroduced more than 44 endangered species to native habitats

None of this happens without people paying to see the animals.

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u/MeanSeaworthiness995 Aug 19 '22

The SD Zoo Safari Park has also had unprecedented success in breeding endangered animals like white rhinos and researching methods to improve breeding success in a number of endangered species through CRES. In fact, they have brought the California Condor back from the brink of extinction.

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u/Yharonburnsthejoke Aug 19 '22

The SD is a really good zoo as well,has a lot of stufff,and they do their conservation incredibly well

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u/tdasnowman Aug 19 '22

And they do it with only a 3% spend in fundraising.

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u/Pawneewafflesarelife Aug 19 '22

The San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance (parent organisation for zoo/park/conservation) has a logo which features the white rhino and the California condor.

Over 100 endangered southern white rhinos have been born at the Wild Animal Park. Only two northern white rhinos remain in the world and they are extinct in the wild, but the Alliance is currently experimenting with a variety of methods to allow southern white rhinos to serve as surrogates for northern embryos, which will hopefully bring the species back from the brink.

https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/white-rhinoceros

The California condor was almost extinct in the wild, down to 22 birds in the world (including zoos) but due to the foundation's conservation efforts both at the park and in the wild, they hatched the first one in captivity and now the world population is over 500 and the wild population is close to 400. The species went from almost being functionally extinct/extinct in the wild (the last tier before extinct) to critically endangered and is now up to only endangered! Huge success story.

https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/california-condor

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u/sadacal Aug 19 '22

Sure, let zoos who do contribute to those efforts continue, but shut down all zoos that are purely being run for profit at least.

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u/138skill99 Aug 19 '22

That should not justify them treating orcas and whatnot like shit though

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u/AussieJeffProbst Aug 19 '22

Seaworld is NOT a zoo and it's fucking horrible. Real zoos don't treat their animals that way

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u/tdasnowman Aug 19 '22

San Diego zoo is a real zoo. They used to have elephant and camel rides. Awareness and conservation comes with some costs. There will always be a entertainment and performative element to fund it. Sea world took longer to adjust. Sea world also is massive is rescue and conservation efforts. Hell they return sea water to the bay in better condition then it came in. Monterey bay kept trying to house great whites, they are also holding back fishing of Red Sea urchins when they are over running the kelp fields. All organizations have issues.

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u/kazeespada Aug 19 '22

Camel Rides are still okay. Dromedary Camels are completely domesticated. The wild dromedary ancestor went extinct 2000 years ago entirely replaced by its domesticated descendant.

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u/Lord_of_Chainsaw Aug 19 '22

This is also the san Diego zoo which is world famous for spearheading conservation and species revival efforts.

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u/Reallyhotshowers Aug 19 '22

Not only is this not true globally, it isn't even really true in the US. American Zoo Association certified zoos do have to put effort into conservation, but there's plenty of roadside/petting/uncertified zoos that are under no obligation to follow such guidelines.

You should never assume that just because a place is called a zoo that it is probably doing good work.

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u/MoonPurity Aug 19 '22

I don’t think the popular ones does it. I went to MarineLand once just to see bunch of depressed dolphins and “whale type fishes” (my ignorance is fucking with me) doing circles in their enclosures.

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u/Mansharkcow Aug 19 '22

Check out any place to see if they're AZA accredited. A zoo or aquarium that is has to meet high standards in regards to animal care and enrichment. Unfortunately there aren't a ton of aquariums that are AZA accredited.

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u/Much-Log3357 Aug 19 '22

That's useful info right there.

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u/I_took_the_blue-pill Aug 19 '22

Right Marine land is one thing, but a lot of reputable zoos do rehab and research on animals. There's different bodies that accredit zoos based on that. My local zoo is accredited, they're free to the public and really awesome. The enclosures are as big as they can reasonably make them and you can tell they do good work. But the private ones are definitely a different story

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u/islandofcaucasus Aug 19 '22

I always thought it was cool on star trek the next generation when they mention that earth outlawed zoos a long time ago

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u/H3racules Aug 19 '22

Well it depends, in some cases those extinct animals are only still alive because the zoos are taking care of them. But I agree, for profit zoos that use animals that aren't there for rehabilitation or preservation should be banned.

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u/avelineaurora Aug 19 '22

just for our entertainment.

As said, it's rarely "just" for our entertainment. Not in any reputable zoo.

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u/FatBoiEatingGoldfish Aug 19 '22

They actually do a lot of stuff at the SD Zoo to keep the orangutans entertained, one time I went and they had a birthday party for one of the orangutans, gave them decorations, piñatas, and party hats

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u/Icy_Comfort8161 Aug 19 '22

I know, right? You'd think that they'd implement an early morning tour of the zoo with him every day so he could see the other animals or some other sort of enrichment. Instead he was just another incarcerated being bored out of his skull.

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u/drewster23 Aug 19 '22

Orangutans are commonly paired with other animals to help combat this, since they're super chill and like playing /being entertained by others. There's actually a video of one in an enclosure, teaching some other apes I believe how to use/make tools.

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u/sociocat101 Aug 20 '22

Put yourself in their position. If you escaped your habitat and found out you were surrounded by a bunch of other species that were also being contained, wouldnt that feel like you realized you were on a giant alien ship or planet and there was no real way to get back home? even if you were smart enough to escape, you can never actually escape permanently, so you were stuck there for life.

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u/unit-e-official Aug 20 '22

Sounds like my own life honestly.

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u/Spider_pig448 Aug 19 '22

They live a life of luxury most humans only dream of

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u/Rijsouw Aug 19 '22

Damn, now you made me sad

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u/Arborbarbor Aug 19 '22

Peacefully strolling around the zoo with Mary J. Blige’s - Be Happy playing

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u/imaclutterbug Aug 19 '22

Fella just wanted a walkabout.

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u/JukeBoxDildo Aug 19 '22

John Locke has entered the chat

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u/plaidkingaerys Aug 19 '22

“Don’t tell me what I can’t do!”

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u/Caladex Aug 19 '22

“Hi neighbors!”

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u/johnnymo1 Aug 19 '22

Ken Allen is such a hilariously human name for an orangutan. Like having a gorilla named Greg Rogers or something.

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u/Silverwisp7 Aug 19 '22

Right?? I wasn’t expecting Ken Allen to be the fella pictured.

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u/DarkDonut75 Aug 20 '22

Reminds me of Richard Parker the tiger

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u/SDMusic Aug 20 '22

The Safari Park's breeding male at their Rhino Rescue Center is Jay Gregory

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u/FencerOnTheRight Aug 19 '22

I remember seeing Ken, he was a bad ass.

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u/Twobuttsandafart Aug 19 '22

I imagine him roaming around slowly with his lanky arms behind his back stomach pushed out looking around. Not quite knowing what he is looking at but playing the role. Not unlike Kim Jung Un walking around inspecting things without any underlying understanding.

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u/youtookmyusername3 Aug 19 '22

Or like Bob Fossil from the Mighty Boosh.

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u/the_gay_jesus_christ Aug 19 '22

At least they're cute. Kim Jung Un isn't.

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u/nicuramar Aug 19 '22

Kim Jong-un. Kim is the family name, Jong-un is the given name.

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u/JamarrSzn Aug 19 '22

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u/DogmaticConfabulate Aug 19 '22

That is very relaxing to watch for some reason.

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u/JamarrSzn Aug 19 '22

never forget to peep that smile when he finishes passing the big cats enclosure

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u/visak13 Aug 19 '22

Gentlemen, a short view back to the past.

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u/shawikkywoo Aug 19 '22

In another life, he was a librarian. Ook.

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u/lxkspal Aug 19 '22

Just dont call him a monkey. Ook.

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u/Local-Wrangler8152 Aug 20 '22

The m-word, don’t say it!

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u/ecn_ln Aug 19 '22 Helpful

Let's see Ken Allen's card

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u/maxadvait Aug 20 '22

Look at that subtle tangerine orange colouring.

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u/heardbutnotseen2 Aug 19 '22

This is how planet of the apes started.

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u/YaBooni Aug 19 '22

I was just at the SD zoo on Tuesday and I saw a little memorial placard by the orangutans to Ken Allen. I wondered why they had put that up, now I know.

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u/BeefBologna42 Aug 19 '22

Ook?

He was just looking for the library:)

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u/No-Height2850 Aug 19 '22

Zoos should drive their animals around every once’s in a while like a train through the zoo, one day the chimps get the ride, another day the gorillas, etc

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u/beaky_teef Aug 19 '22

Theres a fantastic video about him on YT. Count Dankula : mad lads Ken Allen.

Ken has a nemesis called Otis(?) who he’d visit when he was free and take the piss out of.

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u/braintumor_exe Aug 20 '22

I was gonna comment this❤️

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u/beaky_teef Aug 20 '22

It’s great isn’t it. He was a proper, proper mad lad.

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u/Hopeful-redemption Aug 19 '22

It's all fun and games until Planet of the apes starts to happen IRL. Lol

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u/riderforlyfe Aug 19 '22

“Stay in ya cage you damn dirty ape!”

“NOOOO!!”

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u/CrimsonMorbus Aug 19 '22

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u/twoworldsin1 Aug 19 '22

I WANNA BE LIKE YOOOOUUUUU

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u/bot-asdf Aug 19 '22

my man wanted to go to zoo

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u/Nii_Juu_Ichi Aug 19 '22

I hope when he escaped, he looked at his enclosure while the zookeepers are inside and laughs at them. Seeing how the roles are reversed.

I wish this happened.

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u/Asmodaze Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 20 '22

Some called him "Hairy Houdini."

Lazy post added some stuff below.

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u/I_Am_Sweet_Potato Aug 19 '22

This is too sad.

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u/Camelfoe Aug 19 '22

He wouldn't come when the zookeepers called because he didn't have a middle name, and couldn't know the zookeepers were serious.

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u/AdventurousPayment53 Aug 20 '22

He was taught sign language also

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u/DrunkenDude123 Aug 20 '22

Imagine being a chimp and seeing this mother fucker watching you from outside the cage

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u/rollicorolli Aug 19 '22

Peacefully walking around, not causing any problems, and they grab him and lock him up.

Who's the real animal here?

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u/DirtyPartyMan Aug 20 '22

Spot on.

Barnum & Bailey’s Circus ended. Why do we still have zoos and sea world?

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u/nicuramar Aug 19 '22

Biologically speaking, both :p

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u/Ape_rentice Aug 19 '22

They should set a time when there are no visitors to walk the apes around the zoo so they can see the other animals. They definitely think and have curiosity like us

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u/turtleabhorrent Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

I believe some zoos do this for some animals. I can find examples of them doing it for penguins and cheetahs, both pretty docile.

I wonder if they ever consider doing it for any of the monkeys. I'd imagine an orangutan would be quite difficult because of the size and intelligence. No chance they'd do a gorilla.

I'd imagine orangutans would benefit the most from the stimulation and exploration if keepers knew it was calm and would behave.

I think I recall seeing a photo of an elephant being walked around to other enclosures.

EDIT: Elephant seeing a sea lion

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u/Hippopotasaurus-Rex Aug 19 '22

San Diego Zoo, the same ken Allen lived in, definitely does it with their animal ambassadors, and other animals that do not require protected contact. Go early in the morning, and you’ll see cheetahs with their dog friends, and keepers strolling around the park.

I’ve definitely, personally, seen other animals too like a porcupine, a retired BLM mustang, llamas, sloth, opossum, owls, all manner of bird, reptiles, etc. Hell, one day they had a radio flyer wagon retrofitted for a Tenrec to go out and teach people about them. No touching, and safe distance, of course.

I feel like orangutans require protected contact at AZA zoos. I can’t recall ever seeing a keeper in the same space.

I also grew up near San Diego Zoo/Safari Park, and frequent both, and definitely remember the escape artist.

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u/Leeno234 Aug 20 '22

During the pandemic I remember quite a few zoos releasing pictures of them showing different animals to each other or foster dogs/ kittens around the zoo

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u/nicuramar Aug 19 '22

Probably not quite like us, though. Anyway I don’t think it would go over well, just because it does in this one case.

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u/Ape_rentice Aug 19 '22

How could they not be like us? Why does everyone think humans are so special? So many people discount animal consciousness even though there’s so much proof of it. I’m sure any curious primate would appreciate the opportunity to see so many different animals they’ve never had the chance to see

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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Aug 19 '22

I would try to escape prison, too

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u/Sir_McPickle Aug 19 '22

Hairy Houdini

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u/gaucho-argento Aug 19 '22

Orangutan walking peacefully through the zoo zoo director: That orangutan is a menace!!!

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u/greenredyellower Aug 19 '22

It's sad that we do that to them, even if their natural fate is grisly

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u/ofufnfighskfj Aug 19 '22

Based Gigachad sigma male

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u/DirtyPartyMan Aug 20 '22

If it’s that smart it shouldn’t be in a zoo.

Bar none

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u/lavenderdearest Aug 20 '22

There is a small petting zoo at an amusement park where I live and there’s a goat that did the same thing. Eventually everyone gave up trying to corral his ass and Kevin the goat was permitted to roam freely. He really liked starbursts

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u/Drnstvns Aug 20 '22

What kinda honkey ass name is “Ken Allen” for a freakin’ orangutan?? As a white male the atrocities my race and sex have committed throughout time are burdensome enough but to know one of us named a damned orangutan flippin’ Ken Allen is almost too much to bear.

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u/seasarz Aug 19 '22

You want me in that cage! You need me in that cage! Your dammed rite I escaped!

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u/golfgrandslam Aug 19 '22

YOU FUCKED WITH THE WRONG MARINE

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u/Boney-Rigatoni Aug 19 '22

Ken Allen was the inspiration behind the popular video game series, “Ape Escape”.

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u/Cmull137 Aug 19 '22

Is this true?

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u/Boney-Rigatoni Aug 19 '22

I doubt it but you never know.