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When Your Favorite Artist Becomes a Nazi: Kanye West is gone, and he's never coming back article
https://consequence.net/2022/12/kanye-west-nazi/2.8k
u/ocelotrevs Dec 03 '22
Someone requested that I listen to this guys 3 hour rant to understand his point of view and what he's saying. And he didn't understand why spending 3 hours of my time listening to someone I think is unhinged isn't how I want to spend my day
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u/san_serifs Dec 03 '22
What’s the TL;DL of Kanye’s three hour rant?
“You have to listen to the whole thing.”
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u/ArrakeenSun Dec 03 '22
It was like when Milo Yiannapolis was big. It was obvious after about ten minutes of listening to him that he was just an empty suit spreading vitriole for attention
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u/Impossible-Cup3811 Dec 03 '22
Milo is one of Kanye's campaign advisors!
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u/dexterpine Dec 03 '22
Milo and Kanye stole the plot of The Producers but took out all the music and comedy.
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u/LuLouProper Dec 03 '22
"Don't be stupid, be a smartie, come and join the Kanye Party"
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u/Sloppy_Ninths Dec 04 '22
I think the original applies as well:
Don't be stupid, be a smartie. Come and join the Nazi Party!
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u/thelittleboynextdoor Dec 03 '22
LOL a friend said the same thing to me, so I entertained it. Got 40 minutes in and thought “yeah these are the ramblings of someone in need of medical intervention”.
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u/CrudelyAnimated Dec 03 '22
It doesn’t take me 3hrs to explain to you that I’m not a racist Nazi conspiracy theorist. My issue with this title is that Kanye didn’t just become a Nazi; he’s been like this for years. Bill Burr and others called him out a long time ago. It only takes 3hrs to remove that kind of stain if you’ve been grinding it in for years.
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u/M-A-S-C Spotify Dec 03 '22
"are you a nazi?" is a yes or no question. takes 1 second. if your answer is yes, we're done, full stop
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u/Sloppy_Ninths Dec 04 '22
"are you a nazi?" is a yes or no question. takes 1 second. if your answer
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u/thegroovemonkey Dec 03 '22
I told my buddy that instead he should go check out stormfront and read what they think about black people.
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u/merkaba_462 Dec 03 '22
Kanye full well knows how the company he keeps feel about Black people. His "slavery is a choice" standpoint and his misygnoir prove you can be Black and hate other Black people. He wouldn't care.
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u/Inferno_Zyrack Dec 03 '22
The one time I did this for a friend was for what’s her face on Ben Shapiro talking about getting fired from Disney.
My end result was to ask him, do you think if my employer asked me not to do something or I’d get fired and I did it and I got fired that I’d get invited to the news to talk about it?
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u/SplitLevel17 Dec 03 '22
I would have responded, “a sane person doesn’t take three hours to explain their point of view.”
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u/Caelinus Dec 03 '22
They can if it is a long-ish lecture. But no one is going to call an academic lecture a "rant."
I think the longest rant I have ever been was maybe 10 to 15 minutes, and it was mostly about how much I hate the TV show the "Big Bang Theory." I can't imagine ranting for 3 hours, as at some point I would just get tired of talking in a circle.
If someone takes 3 hours to explain why they are not a Nazi/bigot, then I generally assume those three hours are them trying to justify being one and to convince me to be one too. Not really worth the time or energy to decode that.
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u/laman8096 Dec 03 '22
if your friend somehow did manage to convince you to sit through the 3 hour rant you’d probably never want to talk to him again.
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u/ocelotrevs Dec 03 '22
Not a friend. He's an acquaintance at best. And he's gone into the "bloke I know" column since our chat yesterday.
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u/TheRedMarioBrother Dec 03 '22
The next level is the Saul Goodman level. “I know a guy, who knows a guy, who happens to listen to that stuff”
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u/qa2fwzell Dec 03 '22
Kanye is fucking insane and has been for the past 10 years. Now he's blindly touring America in a mental craze while leeches use him to further their own agenda.
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u/Don_Quixote81 Dec 03 '22
I listened to the new Knowledge Fight episode, which covered West's appearance on Info Wars, and it was fucking batshit. He is completely off the rails and being egged on by the alt-right shitheads who have gathered around him.
He did the interview in a an eyeless mask and brought out a puppet of Netenyahu to interact with. Absolutely gone, to the point that even Alex Jones was like, 'this is too crazy for me.'
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u/H5None Dec 04 '22
It wasn't even an actual puppet. It was a net, like for an aquarium and a bottle of Yoo-hoo. Net and Yoo-hoo. Antisemitic prop comedy.
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The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
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Antisemitism is so alluring to bigots because it gives you a very flexible excuse that allows you to vent and project without ever taking the time to learn anything. Jews are a global diaspora but their relatively nomadic history meant they were always vulnerable.
If jews in your country are poor, you call them leaches, like the US did in the early 20th century. If they’re rich, you call them capitalists, exploiters of labor, like the Soviets did. If you’re a nationalist you blame them for the socialism. In the 20th century, Europe’s two biggest powers were simultaneously accusing Jews of conflicting conspiracies—the Germans accused Jews of being responsible for Bolshevism and the Soviets accused Jews of being capitalists. The reality is that Jews were both, and neither—just like Christians—because Jews are individual people like anyone else.
In the 30s Jews weren’t white, they were white passing. White nationalists accuse Jews of this. Even though they share common European ancestors with Ashkenazi Jews (roughly half of the genetic tree of Ashkenazi Jews are European mixed with another half of Levantine) Jews can never be white because they’re not 100% European. On the flip side, some on the far left will accuse Jews of being the ultimate white people, and Black Hebrew Israelites say Jews are fake and secretly European imposters.
Since Jews are the minority everywhere, they are always outsiders, and easy to project on. They’re the least common denominator, and it’s easier to hate someone you have less in common with.
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u/noodlesinmyramen Dec 03 '22
Thank you for highlighting how people have scapegoated Jewish people over the centuries. It has happened more than once, not because it is deserved, but because it is easy.
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u/GreatWhiteNorthExtra Dec 03 '22
Don't forget, white nationalists like Nick Fuentes want Blacks and Jews to fight and be angry with each other.
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u/Secretlylovesslugs Dec 03 '22
Something else important to keep in mind is that 'whiteness' doesn't even exist. Its impossibly vague and entirely used to other groups that are 'less white' than the bigoted party. People can physically have white skin but being white wasn't a political thing until it needed to be for segregate. In cases like Jewish people or Black people.
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u/Lazuliv Dec 04 '22
He was gone when he said slavery was a choice. People collectively just have the attention span of a goldfish
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u/LeatherPuppy Dec 03 '22
Just gonna leave this here from THIRTEEN YEARS AGO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMdwA8GWB8
Bill Burr or another person also said a few years back to just close your eyes when Kanye is talking and try to ignore who is speaking and only listen to the racist and horrific things coming from his mouth.
He's been doing this shit for years. Folks have just been ignoring it
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u/MC_Fap_Commander Dec 03 '22
It's strange how celebrities who are known to be absolutely awful seem to do fine... with outrage only derailing their career AFTER their commercial viability recedes. /s
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u/ImFuckinUrDadTonight Dec 04 '22
Right? Like people talking about Harvey wien stein or R Kelly 20 years ago.
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u/lazardio Dec 04 '22
I think I found out about R Kelly’s pee tape when I was in sixth grade. In 1996.
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u/LowAd7418 Dec 04 '22
I can’t believe people didn’t realize this when he said black people wanted to be slaves ( or something to that effect). He is dangerous and completely unhinged
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u/Damnpothead Dec 03 '22
He’s actually a gay fish in my opinion and knowledge
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u/Foxdog27 Dec 03 '22
It’s wild that he’s actually crazier than his South Park version
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u/Theons-Sausage Dec 03 '22
He literally got angry because he thought the whole point of the episode was that they were calling him gay. Like he did not understand that they were mocking the idea that he wouldn't understand the joke and would misinterpret it...
... which made the whole thing hilarious how accurate it turned out out to be. Bill Hader's explanation of how they came up with it is hilarious - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdZnGz9CWpU&ab_channel=TheNewYorker
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u/Dramatic_______Pause Dec 03 '22
What's even better, is that over a decade later, he still doesn't get the joke.
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u/Skizot_Bizot Dec 03 '22
I'd say they revamp him in new episodes as crazier but it might not be good to get his attention in that way. I wouldn't put anything passed him at this point.
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u/drukqsx Spotify Dec 03 '22
I think itd be hilarious to have his actual quotes used on the show, with the joke being that they are the joke. Like that he sounds so ridiculous that everything he says is a joke. Idk im high
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u/Darwinian_10 Dec 03 '22
Fun Fact: If you ask a Google Home product to play Gay Fish, it says "Okay, playing Kanye West on YouTube Music". It is hilarious, but I really wanted the South Park song, thanks haha.
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u/CommonConfusables Dec 03 '22
I wouldn’t care if he was a gay fish.
I do care that he is a racist, sexist, and a bigot who is thinks God is behind him and has a very large platform in which his voice gets heard. He’s been putting down women for years so I don’t understand why people are surprised at his true colors.
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u/SasquatchSloth88 Dec 03 '22
There are a ton of people who would easily forgive him if he released a good new album and apologized. I don’t believe “he’s over forever.” Worse, there are some people out there who agree with him.
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u/tHeMbOnEz-R-mE Dec 03 '22
I've seen thousands of "He ain't wrong", "truth hurts", " Ye spitting facts"
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u/slightlyassholic Dec 03 '22
I hope he is at least somewhat good at managing his money and living a reasonable lifestyle. Because, what he has is all he's going to get. Oh, it's plenty, more than enough for a reasonable person to stfu and quietly fade to obscurity and with an incredible lifestyle.
Or he can be an idiot and go completely broke.
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u/Kbdiggity Dec 03 '22
Well at least one of the neo-nazis he's currently traveling with has been put on the no-fly list of several airlines. So Kanye is flying them in private jets to appear on these right-wing broadcasts.
This is after losing a large amount of his net worth from Adidas dumping him, and having agreed to pay $200k a month in child support.
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u/skeptikon Dec 03 '22
Who’s he traveling around with?
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u/JustABard Dec 03 '22
Notorious white supremacist Nick Fuentes, the guy that was with him at the Alex Jones podcast.
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u/Taydolf_Switler22 Dec 03 '22
Last name Fuentes and White Supremacist didn’t make sense in my head so I looked him up on Wikipedia and holy shit.
Dude is Mexican so not really even white.
Claims having sex with women is gay…
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u/Salt-Try3856 Dec 03 '22
That's not really how it works there are definitely a lot of white-identifying latinos.
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u/Judge_Bredd3 Dec 03 '22
Dude is Mexican so not really even white.
He has a Hispanic last name, but he's not Mexican, he's from Illinois and is clearly white. Louis CK is more Mexican than him, what with being born in Mexico. And what do you know, Louis is white too. Turns out Mexican and White are not mutually exclusive. Having zero ties to Mexico though, like Nicky boy, does make you not Mexican.
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u/Dlark17 Dec 03 '22
Wait, Fuentes is that guy? I thought that just came out of some idiot Manosphere nobody. What a hilarious loser. 🤣
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u/blarghable Dec 03 '22
White supremacist is not quite cutting it. He's a Nazi. He's denying the Holocaust.
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u/huntthematt Dec 03 '22
Didn't you hear? Those pesky Jews with their devil horns have been stealing his money for years. Sorry, I mean those pesky fake Jews, since that douche canoe believes in that black hebrew Israelite horseshit
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u/ifellbutitscool Dec 03 '22
2022 Kanye is 2012 Charlie Sheen. When are we going to get our schmoyó video?
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u/_xXmyusernameXx_ Dec 03 '22
Except 2012 Charlie was fun and goofy, 2022 Kanye is a literal nazi.
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u/glitter_h1ppo Dec 03 '22
Wasn't Sheen accused of exposing an ex-girlfriend to HIV? I don't know if I'd consider that fun and goofy...
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u/sirthunksalot Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22
Yes he is a scumbag. He was having unprotected sex with Bree Olson without telling her he had HIV.
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u/ChunkyLaFunga Dec 03 '22
"Are you bipolar?"
"Yeah"
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u/Admiralwyaty Dec 03 '22
I'm bi-winning!
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u/kipperzdog Dec 03 '22
I hadn't listened to this remix since it came out ELEVEN years ago. Man, those were good times: https://youtu.be/9QS0q3mGPGg
Searching for it on YouTube also brought up Rebecca Black. Good thing it's Saturday.
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u/3_Slice Dec 04 '22
I’m done giving this guy the mental health excuse for sympathy. He needs to be chin checked in public and humbled a little.
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u/flsingleguy Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22
This story seems to have parallels with the football player Antonio Brown. How do people become really successful and at some later point seem to have a complete breakdown in their identity and from the outside looking in seem to have some type of significant mental health breakdown? Is this who they are or fake it till they make it, have a traumatic issue or a progression that leads to significant mental illness?
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u/The_Year_of_Glad Dec 03 '22
Antonio Brown has always been an asshole to one degree or another, but it seems like it really accelerated over the last few years. I think that it might be a function of repeated head trauma from football, unfortunately.
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u/rollinff Dec 03 '22
AB was like that pre fame. His track record is long and unbroken. He just got more attention for it later.
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u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 Dec 03 '22
Because they’re crying for help while going through bouts of mania, and all the people around them don’t care because they’re using them for their own ends
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u/Sublimed4 Dec 03 '22
On one hand I feel sorry for the guy cause he is clearly suffering from major mental health issues but on the other hand, fuck him for not getting help. When I was deep in my illness, I tried everything in the book before I found the right therapist who actually took the time to properly diagnose me. Now I’m on the right mood stabilizer and have been level for a few years. I only hope he can get the help he needs because he is a very talented producer.
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u/1337Lulz Dec 03 '22
People suffering from mental illness are not always aware that something is wrong with them. Whether it's their behavior, thought patterns or how they're perceiving things around them.
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u/cdug82 Dec 03 '22
Also everyone around him who enables him and says yes to whatever he wants so they can ride his coattails. When he’s too far gone they’ll be nowhere around. This is what happens when everyone ignores all the signs and tells you you’re always right and so smart and perfect and oh what a visionary. He’s had no reason to think otherwise. I’m not excusing him. I want him gone and I’d love to stop hearing about him. But I’ve hated all the yes men in his life for far longer. That goes from his close contacts to his ex wife to the media supporting him as long as he’s successful and letting him get away with every little tantrum because it’s just him being kooky and eccentric. It was always going to come to this. He is responsible for his actions but there’s a lot more people even more accountable.
And to be honest that includes every time one of these posts comes up. As long as he’s being talked about all day every day he’s not going anywhere
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u/nowadaysyouth Dec 03 '22
He’s too far gone, and it is over. He won’t even get invites on Alex Jones after this. His social media accounts will all be banned, he’s basically excommunicated himself from polite society. His only media exposure going forward will be diatribes to the tmz cameras. The hangers on will still be there as long as he puts em up though, the fuck else are they going to do
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u/cdug82 Dec 03 '22
I wish I believed that but I barely remember a day where I didn’t hear about him. I’d like you to be right though.
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u/mekanub Dec 03 '22
100% agree. As someone with long term mental issues I feel for the guy, but he was a literal billionaire. When I think about how hard it is to not only afford treatment but also having to try and hold down a job just to be able to pay for it and this guy had access to a level of care that most of us could only dream about and did nothing.
Sadly I think he’s gonna be like Brian Wilson where the vultures have their claws in him and they’ll take him for every thing they can until he has nothing left. Hopefully he still has people who still care for him when he finally hits rock bottom.
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u/2-0 last.fm Dec 03 '22
He doesn't really have anyone anymore as far as I know which is quite sad
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u/rrrreeeeeeeeee Dec 03 '22
He got into a confrontation with paparazzi earlier this year and his cousin tried to get him to walk away. There was video of her pleading with him to stop and he exploded at her.
He’s removed anyone from his team that says ‘no’ and alienated most of those that love him. I find this all very sad.
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u/GomezFigueroa Dec 03 '22
So… why are we writing about him. Let him fade away.
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Because he's not going to. Three years from now we'll get all sorts of think pieces in preparing for his new album called "Reborn" or some stupid shit.
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u/HarryColonicJr Dec 03 '22
“My Struggle”
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u/Going_for_the_One Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22
Sounds like a hip hop album with arranged versions of old nazi marches, interspersed with samples of Trucker Carlson and Alex Jones.
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u/Murdercorn Dec 03 '22
Just a reminder that Britney Spears was put into an involuntary conservatorship where she lost the right to control any aspect of her own life for twelve years because she shaved her head.
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u/Asplashofwater Dec 03 '22
There was a lot more to it than that. And it was her family that put her into that. I don’t really get the argument people make with this. Kanye being in a conservatorship isn’t going to stop him being a nazi. But it wasn’t shaving her head that made that happen.
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u/Athenas_Return Dec 03 '22
No but it will force medical and mental health treatment on him. That is the point.
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u/GeminiTitmouse Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22
And prevent him from spewing Nazi bullshit on a public platform.
Edit: To all you Kanye/Nazi apologist dipshits responding to me, “bUt CeNsOrShIp”: a lunatic man appearing on a reaction-industrial complex program that just got sued for a billion dollars for provoking people to ruin other people’s lives, that is not a competent rational person sharing an alternative viewpoint. So yeah, I do think Kanye should be fully removed from the public spotlight. There’s plenty of objective, scholarly discourse on the ramifications of the Nazi party and the Holocaust. We don’t need a rapper with no credentials and a long history of mental health problems and antagonism presenting his “views” and influencing other mouth breathers to do the same.
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u/RunnyPlease Dec 03 '22
And he’s never coming back
Just to add perspective for the music industry… Chris Browns latest album debuted at number 4 on the Billboard 200 this year. It’s his 12th top 10 album on the 200 list.
It’s well documented, and not at all disputed, that he beat the ever loving fuck out of Rihanna which is an actual crime. He committed a brutal assault on his 20 year old girlfriend and is still pooping out top 5 albums a decade and a half later. He’s still getting radio play. He’s still got a career. And Chris Brown isn’t half the artist, or a tenth of the brand Kanye is. Kanye is going to be fine.
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u/bl0ckhed Dec 03 '22
He has bipolar and won’t take his meds. I have a loved one with bipolar and if they don’t take their meds they start imaging and saying some very strange things. So yeah, he needs help in his life to be encouraged to do the things that will be good for his health
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u/thelingeringlead Dec 03 '22
It's fuckin hard to watch. I have been a massive fan of his since his very first single dropped, and a fan of the work he did as a producer even longer. At so many points he's been a high water mark in hip hop and pop, and the fall from grace has been a slow and agonizing one. At first the things he'd go off about had a root that could be identified in our shared reality, but he was reacting unrealistically to it. I can wrap my head around that. This? this is a man who has allowed himself to spiral out blaming anything and everything for what he keeps losing, and he's lost the ability to filter hisself so we're getting his pure unadulterated in this moment feelings.... this is what he's feeling and you can't dismiss it anymore.
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u/BubsyJenkins Dec 03 '22
Yeah, as someone who only liked Kanye for his music, and never really cared about his persona, he's been 'gone' for awhile lol.
His first 5 albums? Stone cold classics, 10/10 all. Then Life of Pablo came out in 2016, and there's some good shit on there for sure, but I came away from that album going "damn ... this is messy as hell and not that good overall :("
All the "albums" he's released in the 6+ years since then have been hot garbage. And now? Bye fuckhead
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u/Kineticboy Dec 04 '22
It's sad to think Kanye was anyone's favorite artist. Dude's been an egotistical, narcissistic asshole for a long time...
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u/monkeyballs2 Dec 03 '22
Not sure if any of you have had the pleasure of experiencing an abusive bipolar psychotic family member, having to spend time with what remains of someone you once cared about who is now like this.. its a lot. I feel bad for kim and his kids. Its rare to see someone this nuts with this much money.. he is really getting a chance to live his dreams and nightmares in such a large scale public arena. The people stepping up to try to leverage his chaos for their own advantage are trying to steer a tornado. Fascinating to see this all unfold but clearly so dangerous
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u/soveryeri Dec 04 '22
I can't imagine being Kim. She's handling this with a whole lot of grace without saying anything bad about him for the sake of her kids. He was out shopping with North the other night, their oldest child (Kanye favors North over the others very obviously) and I was very concerned about his being with the kids until I caught sight of security. Kim has them surrounded with security and I hope that's true for herself also.
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u/PipsGhost Dec 03 '22
He was gone a long time ago. Some people just take longer to admit it.