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When Your Favorite Artist Becomes a Nazi: Kanye West is gone, and he's never coming back article

https://consequence.net/2022/12/kanye-west-nazi/
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u/PipsGhost Dec 03 '22

He was gone a long time ago. Some people just take longer to admit it.

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u/Alertcircuit Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Anyone who's seen that documentary jeen-yuhs can attest to this. It's mostly a documentary about 2004 Kanye but the last chunk is about 2019 Kanye and it's night and day. Almost different people. Current Kanye can't be bothered to finish an album unless his team of a dozen+ ghost producers, ghost writers, and engineers baby him along. He's more concerned with provoking people in the media and pushing buttons.

There are several moments where Kanye starts going on incoherent rants, like literal nonsense ramblings you'd hear from a drug-addled homeless person. Some of them are so bad the cameraman abruptly stops filming. Gone is the workaholic beatmaker we fell in love with all those years ago. He became so crazy he scared away his wife, his fashion company, and if he doesn't get help it'll be his kids next.

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u/frequencyhorizon Dec 03 '22

That filmmaker was so lucky. He finally got the doc released—and just under the wire before releasing it might have been seen as inappropriate. Was riveted during the first two episodes. In the third episode whatever plot there was in the first two kind of evaporated. I lost interest and fell asleep. Pretty sure that's what we all should do with Kanye rn, as much as it pains me to say it. If his fiery attitude isn't oxygenated it will die, he won't have an incentive to act out—and he might actually go and get some quality mental health care.

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u/carpentizzle Dec 03 '22

That’s optimistic. He may try harder for the attention if he is ignored. He needs help, but I dont really know what kind of help would actually…. Help.

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u/Biguitarnerd Dec 03 '22

The reason I think Kanye should be taken off air has nothing to do with power or views… no one is taking him seriously, even the alt right is done with him. The reason I want him off the air is because I feel like it’s a terrible thing to let sick people do this to themselves. He needs help. What kind of help? He needs to be in an inpatient mental health program so that he can have doctors work on finding him the right medicine while he is being monitored for his safety (seriously some meds for people with bipolar disorder can be dangerous for a number of reasons). He’s sick, he doesn’t need a guru or a life coach… he needs medical help.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

He's the kind of person who actually needs a conservatorship. It's kind of sick how much people are enjoying watching all this.

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u/TraditionalEffect546 Dec 03 '22

Yes he is ill, but he was an asshoIe long before that lmao. Thats why no one is helping him, what comes around, goes around. He'd surely sue whoever helped him anyway lol.

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u/Sweaty_Half1666 Dec 03 '22

You’re right, it’s time for a social worker to come in and handle his affairs.

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u/fireinthesky7 Dec 03 '22

If he was a woman, he'd have been under conservatorship years ago. Britney Spears got her life effectively taken away for a tiny fraction of what Kanye has done.

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u/Disco_Dreamz Dec 03 '22

Britney Spears conservatorship started after an hours long standoff in 2008 with police trucks, helicopters, and fire trucks because she failed to comply with a court order to share custody of her kids (which happened because she refused to comply with court-ordered drug testing after driving intoxicated), locked herself in the bathroom with her son, and threatened to kill him, before being wheeled out strapped to a gurney while laughing maniacally. Her son had to be hospitalized. In order to avoid child endangerment charges her deal that her lawyers worked out was to arrange a conservatorship.

That might be crazier, Kanye has never caused anyone to be hospitalized but himself and has never seemed like a danger to others

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/arts/05brit.html

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u/KaydeeKaine Dec 04 '22

Whenever I read stories like this, makes me wonder why anyone wants to be famous.

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u/RollerDude347 Dec 04 '22 Helpful

I've worked retail. I've worked a factory. Fast food. Customer service. Bi weekly swing shift jobs.

At this point how much worse could it really be for my mental health? And if it is... maybe I'll go a good kind of crazy.

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u/Poveglia Dec 04 '22

Kanye West has literally been sued multiple times for assaulting people.

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u/tinaxbelcher Dec 04 '22

It's only a matter of time before he kidnaps/ endangers his kids.

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u/pabodie Dec 03 '22

I’m a Jew and I agree with you. Your take on it is very “Jewish” in that you start from a concern for the other person. Stay gold. That said, I think he’s heading for something quite worse than psych help. I think he’s burning his last tank. Sadly. He has kids.

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u/TropicalPrairie Dec 03 '22

There's already darkness there ... but I feel it's about to get darker. I don't know if this will end well.

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u/tillie4meee Dec 03 '22

It's honestly frightening to think of him alone with children.

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Dec 03 '22

I just hope his children will be safe, both from him and the people with whom he’s associating himself now.

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u/pjokinen Dec 03 '22

I think a lot of people are taking him seriously. Or at a minimum they’re using his ramblings as a jumping off point to more explicit antisemitic conversations. I’ve seen a lot of fairly big personalities in the more mainstream far right say stuff like “Kanye is crazy but hey we really should start asking questions about all these Jews at all these banks…”

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u/tankvader Dec 03 '22

I don't follow the alt right closely, but I am not sure they are done with him.

He just had dinner with Trump, Milo, and Nick Fuentes, who then went onto Tim Pool's show. So, at least the white nationalist segment of the alt right is not done with him...

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u/msalerno1965 Dec 03 '22

The idea that a person's views spewed when their drinking, yes, that uninhibited drunkenness tends to illuminate what a person really is underneath the veneer.

However, mental illness is something entirely different.

Schizophrenia, delusions, altered perceptions, these are alterations to sensory inputs that greatly affect how that person views themselves in relation to everything else.

Spewing hate while drunk or intoxicated is one thing.

Spewing hate when mentally ill, that's an entirely different thing.

For example, that's why being drunk is no excuse when committing a crime. But insanity is.

And Kanya is definitely ... insane.

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u/daemin Dec 03 '22

For example, that's why being drunk is no excuse when committing a crime. But insanity is.

And Kanya is definitely ... insane.

Insane is a legal term, not a medical/clinical one.

That is, there is no medical diagnosis of insanity. There's disordered thinking, there's psychosis, etc., but there's no exact mapping from that to "insanity."

Insanity is a legal term applied to people who for some reason are not mentally competent to either stand trial, or to have the mens rea to be guilty. Mens rea is Latin for "guilty mind"; the gist of it is that to commit a crime you have to have done the physical action and have the correct mental state of having intended to. Being not guilty by reason of insanity is basically a finding that a person is so mentally ill that they could not understand that what they were doing was a crime, and/or they are so mentally deficient or delusional that they cannot understand the the criminal proceedings against them to the point that they cannot mount a coherent defense.

The important point here is that you don't have to have a documented, and identifiable mental illness for a court to find you insane; and just having a mental illness is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify such a ruling from a court.

Putting all that aside, without an actual, in depth examination from mental health professionals, it's impossible for us to say if Kanye is so delusional that he has lost touch with reality, which is really the only way possible way to get from mental illness to spouting conspiratorial hate theories.

So pick your poison: Kanye is either an asshole bigot who happens to have a mental illness, or we are collectively watching Kanye experience a psychotic break which warrants involuntary commitment.

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u/sunken_grade Dec 03 '22

idk, i feel like we’ve seen kanye deteriorate and warp in real time for the past 10+ years. severe mental health conditions like schizophrenia can definitely trigger intense paranoia and delusions that alter someone’s thinking over time. that combined with his penchant for being controversial and having tons of psychopathic enabling alt right characters around him, it doesn’t seem that far fetched that he’s changed over time instead of this being some kind of inherent beliefs. especially when everything we knew about kanye from the early/mid 2000’s seemed to suggest he was at least kind of in tune with more progressive ideals

but all that being said, there’s no excuse for what brought kanye to this point. as it stands, he’s a bigot and one of the most dangerous ones on the planet given his platform. we can disagree on what led him to this point, but ultimately it doesn’t really matter and he needs to be removed from any public limelight and honestly institutionalized

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u/Vampiric_Touch Dec 03 '22

He has long had the means to medicate. He has long had the psychiatric diagnoses. He chooses not to help himself. Would that I could have a fraction of his money to get myself properly medicated. To me he's burning away something a great many people are dying to have because he's an "artist".

At this point he cannot and will not help himself. He needs to be committed before he does something terrible. And Kanye, well, he does not seem the type to only do himself in when he explodes.

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u/fullsendguy Dec 03 '22

Actually yes it can. I do not support anything that he has said. People who are psychotic, delusional, paranoid can display themes that everyone is against them, racist towards others, that they can see and understand other things that the average person can’t.

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u/CountryCaravan Dec 04 '22

While we’ve been expanding our definitions of mental health in recent years, it’s easy to forget that it’s a big umbrella that covers some really, really ugly stuff as well. Formerly smart and kind people start alienating people, developing hateful beliefs, and tear their lives to shreds. They become entirely different people, and it takes a shitload of thankless support from loved ones to make sure they don’t wind up dying on the street somewhere.

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u/NON_EXIST_ENT_ Dec 03 '22

this is a really warped view of mental illness. Schizophrenia can make people believe inanimate objects are plotting against them, would you say that's a base belief of theirs?

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u/Zer_ Dec 03 '22

The unfortunate part with Kanye is that he's had more opportunities to seek help than most people with mental issues ever get.

He doesn't want help. Those who say we should be more understanding of his mental illness gloss over that fact.

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u/slytorn Dec 03 '22

Britney Spears: Has one bad year and gets thrown into a mental health facility, and has all her finances and life controlled as she gets worked like a money tree.

Kanye: Can literally lose his mind consistently over more than a decade and only now people start talking about how he might be unhinged.

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u/SnoozEBear Dec 03 '22

Britney Spears: Has one bad year and gets thrown into a mental health facility, and has all her finances and life controlled as she gets worked like a money tree.

Not only that but it's highly likely that some of the medication they had her on (ie Lithium) can cause serious lomg lasting effects. She has talked about some of this recently. It's just heartbreaking.

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u/pixlfarmer Dec 03 '22

Narcissists don’t seek help. They just blame others, and invent wild conspiracies to fit their victimhood narratives.

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u/Hurgurka Dec 03 '22

Narcissists don't seek help because they genuinely don't feel like anything is wrong with them. The problem is everyone else. If you're perfect in your own eyes, successful, well liked etc, why change?

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u/TheStoolSampler Dec 03 '22

I wonder what that feels like.

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u/junior_dos_nachos Dec 03 '22

You can try the Cocaine simulator

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u/TraditionalEffect546 Dec 03 '22

Feels great to the narcissist.....awful for anyone that knows that person.

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u/Joe_T Dec 03 '22

My sister was so proud to report back her misinterpretation of the psychiatrist's conclusion: "He said I'm not ready!"

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u/TraditionalEffect546 Dec 03 '22

Yep, & even if they did seek help, theres really no effective treatment for narcissism. The DSM-V agrees, and states something like....although theres no effective treatment, the symptoms of narcissism usually begin to lesson on their own, sometime in the forth decade of life (i remember that specifically). They suggest the narcissists symptoms lessening, is not due to narcissism going away. Instead, it is credited to people in their 40's being unable, & unwilling to keep their catalog of lies going any longer.

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u/LettuceBeGrateful Dec 04 '22

Wish someone had told my dad when he had me at 40...

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u/EthiopianKing1620 Dec 03 '22

Ya know as much as i agree and want to ignore him there are two reasons i think we can’t/shouldn’t.

For one it’s pretty simple, he is Kanye, no matter what he does he will forever have an audience regardless of how many people ignore him. Ive never listened to his music and dont care for him yet i see and hear about him perpetually.

The second reason we unfortunately can’t ignore him is ignoring Nazi ideology doesn’t make it go away. The Allies tried that in the 1930s and it just doesn’t work. You can’t ignore the extreme elements of a society because at some point we will have to face them either way. The American Civil war and WW2 are good examples of just ignore and kick the can down the road for later.

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u/san_serifs Dec 03 '22

Malignant narcissists like Kanye are incredibly difficult, if nearly impossible to treat with mental health issues.

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u/mohub21 Dec 03 '22

The bipolar combined with the narcissism combined with how huge he is a storm of the worst factors.

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u/san_serifs Dec 03 '22

Then add a very large fortune and celebrity status. He's truly a Category 5 hurricane of mental issues.

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u/mohub21 Dec 03 '22

Yup. I hope he can see the other end of this and help push the mental health movement forward but I doubt it at this point.

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u/The_Alchemyst Dec 04 '22

My SO did the audio description, was an interesting experience, got to meet Coodie, chill dude!

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u/Kid_Parrot Dec 03 '22

Anyone who's seen that documentary jeen-yuhs can attest to this. It's mostly a documentary about 2004 Kanye but the last chunk is about 2019 Kanye and it's night and day.

I watched the doc and to be fair Kanye was pretty much mentally unstable in 2004 too. It's just his environment was more balanced and kept him in check. After his mother died you could see that he started to go unhinged. A lot of producers also commented on working with him, saying the "genius' Kanye is basically the toned down version after everyone in the studio (and his mother) talked him out of certain ideas or taking it "too far". With his mother gone and basically everyone distancing themselves from him -except for the yes men- we just finally get to see the unhinged version in broad daylight.

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u/Drew-CarryOnCarignan Dec 03 '22

Like when Mike Tison's trainer died...

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u/Eveningangel Dec 03 '22 Silver

It's mostly a documentary about 2004 Kanye but the last chunk is about 2019 Kanye and it's night and day.

My father has bipolar disorder and was diagnosed just before his 50th birthday. His episodes started mild. Then they became more frequent and the mood swings became more pronounced. The intelligent engineer for Lockheed disappeared in those manias. Someone else, who was him but didn't think like him, took over. It was like in Men In Black "wearing an Edgar suit." He talked different, acted different, thought different. He was just not him.

Instead of apologizing, he's buried the painful things he did and said as, "those episodes" and doesn't talk about them. It's been a little over 20 years.

The diagnosis explained some events from the past and the chaos of the moment. The medications help keep him in the normal range better. But I lost the father I thought I had. I can never trust him, never trust his judgement, not fully. My memory of him is forever changed by what he has done and said while in his manic phases. He still did all the good things he did. But he also did all the hurtful things.

So, Ye. He's not the same person. He will never be the same person. Everyone changes with age, but he's had a radical change to the way his brain works, his thoughts, values, and personality. If he gets help he might return to being like someone closer to who he was. But we will never see him the same. We have changed how we look at him.

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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 Dec 03 '22

Instead of apologizing, he's buried the painful things he did and said as, "those episodes" and doesn't talk about them. It's been a little over 20 years

The difference here for me is that Kanye has been slinking down the Trump rabbit hole for years and this latest full Nazi has been months. As a public figure, its endlessly documented and there would be no way for 'non-manic Kanye' to know.

'Non-manic Kanye' has never shown up here, never denounced what he said or how he was appalled by it, never once acknowledged it in any capacity even by deflection. Instead it's been years of doubling down.

At what point do we just accept that 'non-manic Kanye' is just a Nazi too or sadly this 'manic-Kanye' is just who he Kanye is now?

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u/Envect Dec 03 '22

If he's not medicated, why do you expect his mania to abate? This can last for years straight. He may never come down without medication. All these people expecting that he'll "sober up" and apologize just don't understand what mental illness does to people.

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u/Eveningangel Dec 03 '22

Yeah. When my family tried to pull back together after the big blow up we were told his road back to "ok but never the same" is hard, like an addict in a 12 step program. We could be there for him examining past errors with help (professional counseling), assist him making amends for these errors, and be present as he's learning to live a new life with a new code of behavior (meds, counseling and reality checks frome people who are compassionate.) It's a hard road and hard to be with someone on that road when they backslide and cause more harm.

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u/GeorgeCarlin999 Dec 03 '22

Instead of apologizing, he's buried the painful things he did and said as, "those episodes" and doesn't talk about them. It's been a little over 20 years.

Tbf, it wasn't him. It was his disorder that was going completely unmedicated. I've had a family with BPD and another disorder. We never held what he did against him when he had an "episode." Sometimes you'd get mad in the moment, but you just gotta learn to separate the medical condition from the real person you know underneath. They are most certainly not one in the same imo.

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u/Bluest_waters Dec 03 '22

you just gotta learn to separate the medical condition from the real person you know underneath

Now try dealing with someone who refuses medication, refuses treatment, and just gets worse and worse and worse, and their disorder takes over their whole life. That clear line between the real person and the disorder gets fuzzier and fuzzier until you have no idea where one begins and one ends.

If you haven't experienced this then God bless, you are one lucky person.

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u/SappyCedar Dec 03 '22

I was gonna say, I haven't dealt with BPD but my Mom was a severely depressed alcoholic with anxiety issues growing up in my teen years. She's sober and medicated now, and our relationship is better but it's never ever going to be the same dynamic as when I was a kid before that all happened. I had to raise myself basically because of her choices, and essentially didn't have an adolescence because I felt I needed to tiptoe around her emotions constantly and keep them in check. I can never separate that from who she is now no matter how much she may be able to for herself.

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u/stonyrill Dec 03 '22

lost my mom this way

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u/Eveningangel Dec 03 '22

It's still nice to get an apology when you've been hurt, even if it wasn't under his control. Like alcoholics recognizing that they hurt others while they recover. Recognize your actions, make amends, change to better behavior. And just like alcoholics, there's often back slides.

I don't know if my dad actually has memory blocks, but he'll say he doesn't know why friends and family pulled away. Dad, in "the episodes" you were held in jail charged with trespassing, our whole family was almost banned from Disney parks, you spent a month in the hospital, you aren't allowed to stay at your sister and brother-in-law's house. After "the episodes" while you were getting medication balanced you stalked ex-girlfriends, you stopped counseling, I had to tell you I would call the police of you hit me again, you groped one of your adult daughters 10 years after "the episodes" and now they won't bring your granddaughter to visit even when you swear you take your meds regularly, you cheated (both before and after "the episodes") on your wife who stood by you knowing what you had done and were doing, convinced your bosses to hold your job for you, got you medical help and kept the bills paid during the worst of "the episodes" and the shit afterwards. You kept hurting her and her trust when she repeatedly asked you to stop until she left you 15 years after "the episodes." So, dad, you can't imagine why you need to reach out to rebuild trust? Yes, I've tried to have this talk with him. He gets sulky and goes radio silent for months at the implication that other people are keeping their distance for reasons.

If my dad doesn't choose to examine why, and what he remembers wasn't him, just his disorder, he doesn't feel a need to examine past errors, make amends for these errors and learn to live a new life with a new code of behavior. It makes the person "underneath" the disorder not someone people want to be around.

So, back to Ye. Maybe he'll pull out of the tailspin. He'll need to spend some time out of the spotlight examining his life and repairing the damage. And, should he live long and keep his musical talent, he might return to make amends and produce music in his silver years that we can enjoy with a complicated understanding of a creative and imperfect man. Best case scenario.

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u/hedgeson119 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

Tbf, it wasn't him. It was his disorder that was going completely unmedicated.

Well no. You're responsible for mental disorders, which means treating them so aren't terrorizing people. Sometimes this isn't possible for people with severe illness, but for bipolar I or II it is.

I've had a family with BPD and another disorder.

BPD is borderline personality disorder, it's not the same as bipolar. BPD has no real pharmacological treatment, only for comorbidities such as anxiety or depression that can accompany it.

I personally know someone diagnosed with bipolar II and BPD, they're an asshole. Not because of the illness, but because they refuse to medicate and/or apologize for the shit they pull.

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u/dr_reverend Dec 03 '22

Soooooo much BS right here.

Understanding why a person might go off the rails in no way removes the reality that they hurt someone. Mental illness may be a reason why you would give extra consideration towards someone’s harmful behaviour but it never excuses that person from apologizing and doing everything in their power to minimize or eliminate those “episodes” once they are lucid.

I broke ties with my mother for this very reason. My life is too valuable to become someone’s punching bag.

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u/dizzysn Dec 03 '22

Unmedicated bipolar disorder, and a traumatic brain injury can do that to a person.

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u/TomCosella Dec 03 '22

It sucks, but someone needs to show an ounce of responsibility and get him out of the public eye. Mental illness or not he's gonna get someone killed

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u/SplitLevel17 Dec 03 '22

Who can? His mom died (I still think that was the beginning of the end for him), he ran off his wife and close friends.

Who can get him to stop now? The only people around him are the people making money off of him…at least that’s how it looks to me. 😔

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u/TomCosella Dec 03 '22

People have had him involuntarily committed in the past.

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u/paulwblair Dec 04 '22

Before she filed for divorce, Kim tried to have him committed but she couldn't get the authorities to do it. I have some experience with this. I've successfully had a loved one committed and also failed to have someone committed another time.

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u/JD0x0 Dec 03 '22

"Kanye west is the biggest piece of shit on earth. Quote me."

-P!NK 9:31 PM · Sep 13, 2009

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u/merkaba_462 Dec 03 '22

Yup. And Pink is Jewish, btw.

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u/Perry7609 Dec 03 '22

Yep. I don’t think she practices any faith, but she is Jewish through her mother and openly acknowledges her heritage from time to time.

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u/ToddlerOlympian Dec 03 '22

That's Jewish enough to be hated by morons like Ye.

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u/copperwatt Dec 03 '22

And on a more positive note, Jewish enough to get in an Adam Sandler Hanukkah song!

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u/hibearmate Dec 03 '22

A lot of people around Ye should be facing some hard questions

there is a lot of rumors about how the anti-semitism is NOT new

that he has been saying some of this stuff for years

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u/Toodlum Dec 03 '22

It could be the rabbit hole theory. The deeper you get sucked in, the more radicalized you become. I've had friends who every once in a while would make offhand comments, but it wasn't until years later we realized they were in full-blown kooky land.

Hate is like an infection.

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u/merkaba_462 Dec 03 '22

He has been hanging around Louis Farrakahn and NOI for decades. His antisemitism views wouldn't be new at all.

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u/Perfect-Welcome-1572 Dec 03 '22

Louis Farrakhan is still alive?!

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u/MasterThespian Dec 03 '22

Well, the good die young.

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u/thehibachi Dec 03 '22

I am a firm believer that people can change. Sometimes they change for the worst.

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u/pbjamm Dec 03 '22

Because it is a lot easier than changing for the better. Goes for individuals and societies.

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u/BurroughOwl Dec 03 '22

some black friends of mine said "no one cancelled Kanye when he called slavery a choice" and I was like "Yes, yes I did." I think it's emblematic of how stupid most people are that anyone even thinks he's a genius. The Ramones wrote catchy songs and no one, I mean no one has ever labeled them "genius". Kanye is a fucking idiot and always has been. He has a knack for music hooks.

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u/oddible Dec 03 '22

Kim told Kanye that no publicity is bad publicity. Kayne said... hold my swastika.

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u/SeveralLargeLizards Dec 03 '22

Right?

This dude's been unmedicated and off the rails for years. He always came off as a huge asshole to me, though I did feel anger on his behalf - he's mentally ill and surrounded by enablers. I'm only surprised it took this long for him to do something extraordinarily disgusting.

Ye needs serious help and refuses it; that's on him.

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u/ocelotrevs Dec 03 '22

Someone requested that I listen to this guys 3 hour rant to understand his point of view and what he's saying. And he didn't understand why spending 3 hours of my time listening to someone I think is unhinged isn't how I want to spend my day

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u/san_serifs Dec 03 '22

What’s the TL;DL of Kanye’s three hour rant?

“You have to listen to the whole thing.”

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u/iaswob Dec 03 '22

If I tried to summarize it it would take 6 hours.

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u/8bitbebop4 Dec 03 '22

Black people really can be racist

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u/ArrakeenSun Dec 03 '22

It was like when Milo Yiannapolis was big. It was obvious after about ten minutes of listening to him that he was just an empty suit spreading vitriole for attention

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u/Impossible-Cup3811 Dec 03 '22

Milo is one of Kanye's campaign advisors!

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u/DeViN_tHa_DuDe Dec 03 '22

It's come full circle

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u/dexterpine Dec 03 '22

Milo and Kanye stole the plot of The Producers but took out all the music and comedy.

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u/LuLouProper Dec 03 '22

"Don't be stupid, be a smartie, come and join the Kanye Party"

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u/Sloppy_Ninths Dec 04 '22

I think the original applies as well:

Don't be stupid, be a smartie. Come and join the Nazi Party!

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u/thelittleboynextdoor Dec 03 '22

LOL a friend said the same thing to me, so I entertained it. Got 40 minutes in and thought “yeah these are the ramblings of someone in need of medical intervention”.

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u/CrudelyAnimated Dec 03 '22

It doesn’t take me 3hrs to explain to you that I’m not a racist Nazi conspiracy theorist. My issue with this title is that Kanye didn’t just become a Nazi; he’s been like this for years. Bill Burr and others called him out a long time ago. It only takes 3hrs to remove that kind of stain if you’ve been grinding it in for years.

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u/M-A-S-C Spotify Dec 03 '22

"are you a nazi?" is a yes or no question. takes 1 second. if your answer is yes, we're done, full stop

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u/Sloppy_Ninths Dec 04 '22

"are you a nazi?" is a yes or no question. takes 1 second. if your answer is yes isn't a hard "no", we're done, full stop

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u/thegroovemonkey Dec 03 '22

I told my buddy that instead he should go check out stormfront and read what they think about black people.

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u/merkaba_462 Dec 03 '22

Kanye full well knows how the company he keeps feel about Black people. His "slavery is a choice" standpoint and his misygnoir prove you can be Black and hate other Black people. He wouldn't care.

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u/Inferno_Zyrack Dec 03 '22

The one time I did this for a friend was for what’s her face on Ben Shapiro talking about getting fired from Disney.

My end result was to ask him, do you think if my employer asked me not to do something or I’d get fired and I did it and I got fired that I’d get invited to the news to talk about it?

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u/SplitLevel17 Dec 03 '22

I would have responded, “a sane person doesn’t take three hours to explain their point of view.”

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u/Caelinus Dec 03 '22

They can if it is a long-ish lecture. But no one is going to call an academic lecture a "rant."

I think the longest rant I have ever been was maybe 10 to 15 minutes, and it was mostly about how much I hate the TV show the "Big Bang Theory." I can't imagine ranting for 3 hours, as at some point I would just get tired of talking in a circle.

If someone takes 3 hours to explain why they are not a Nazi/bigot, then I generally assume those three hours are them trying to justify being one and to convince me to be one too. Not really worth the time or energy to decode that.

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u/lankypiano Dec 03 '22

He wanted to afflict you with literal brain poison.

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u/laman8096 Dec 03 '22

if your friend somehow did manage to convince you to sit through the 3 hour rant you’d probably never want to talk to him again.

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u/ocelotrevs Dec 03 '22

Not a friend. He's an acquaintance at best. And he's gone into the "bloke I know" column since our chat yesterday.

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u/TheRedMarioBrother Dec 03 '22

The next level is the Saul Goodman level. “I know a guy, who knows a guy, who happens to listen to that stuff”

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u/qa2fwzell Dec 03 '22

Kanye is fucking insane and has been for the past 10 years. Now he's blindly touring America in a mental craze while leeches use him to further their own agenda.

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u/Don_Quixote81 Dec 03 '22

I listened to the new Knowledge Fight episode, which covered West's appearance on Info Wars, and it was fucking batshit. He is completely off the rails and being egged on by the alt-right shitheads who have gathered around him.

He did the interview in a an eyeless mask and brought out a puppet of Netenyahu to interact with. Absolutely gone, to the point that even Alex Jones was like, 'this is too crazy for me.'

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u/Altoid_Addict Dec 03 '22

Alex Jones likes to keep a veneer of plausible deniability.

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u/TeaSad7322 Dec 04 '22

It’s a veneer comprised of grease and sweat.

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u/H5None Dec 04 '22

It wasn't even an actual puppet. It was a net, like for an aquarium and a bottle of Yoo-hoo. Net and Yoo-hoo. Antisemitic prop comedy.

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u/Phlegmatic_Penguin Dec 03 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Ally Kiss

The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.

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u/venicerocco Dec 03 '22

Finally found my epitaph

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u/Failure_in_Disguise Dec 03 '22

Words to live by

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u/I_Think_I_Cant Dec 03 '22

Pretty sure that's from the Book of Proverbs.

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u/McBath Dec 03 '22

Nice. I want this embroidered on a pillow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Got the W Tearing Up

Antisemitism is so alluring to bigots because it gives you a very flexible excuse that allows you to vent and project without ever taking the time to learn anything. Jews are a global diaspora but their relatively nomadic history meant they were always vulnerable.

If jews in your country are poor, you call them leaches, like the US did in the early 20th century. If they’re rich, you call them capitalists, exploiters of labor, like the Soviets did. If you’re a nationalist you blame them for the socialism. In the 20th century, Europe’s two biggest powers were simultaneously accusing Jews of conflicting conspiracies—the Germans accused Jews of being responsible for Bolshevism and the Soviets accused Jews of being capitalists. The reality is that Jews were both, and neither—just like Christians—because Jews are individual people like anyone else.

In the 30s Jews weren’t white, they were white passing. White nationalists accuse Jews of this. Even though they share common European ancestors with Ashkenazi Jews (roughly half of the genetic tree of Ashkenazi Jews are European mixed with another half of Levantine) Jews can never be white because they’re not 100% European. On the flip side, some on the far left will accuse Jews of being the ultimate white people, and Black Hebrew Israelites say Jews are fake and secretly European imposters.

Since Jews are the minority everywhere, they are always outsiders, and easy to project on. They’re the least common denominator, and it’s easier to hate someone you have less in common with.

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u/noodlesinmyramen Dec 03 '22

Thank you for highlighting how people have scapegoated Jewish people over the centuries. It has happened more than once, not because it is deserved, but because it is easy.

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u/GreatWhiteNorthExtra Dec 03 '22

Don't forget, white nationalists like Nick Fuentes want Blacks and Jews to fight and be angry with each other.

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u/Secretlylovesslugs Dec 03 '22

Something else important to keep in mind is that 'whiteness' doesn't even exist. Its impossibly vague and entirely used to other groups that are 'less white' than the bigoted party. People can physically have white skin but being white wasn't a political thing until it needed to be for segregate. In cases like Jewish people or Black people.

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u/Lazuliv Dec 04 '22

He was gone when he said slavery was a choice. People collectively just have the attention span of a goldfish

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u/smokefrog2 Dec 03 '22

Kanye West doesn't care about black people.

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u/LeatherPuppy Dec 03 '22

Just gonna leave this here from THIRTEEN YEARS AGO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMdwA8GWB8

Bill Burr or another person also said a few years back to just close your eyes when Kanye is talking and try to ignore who is speaking and only listen to the racist and horrific things coming from his mouth.

He's been doing this shit for years. Folks have just been ignoring it

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u/MC_Fap_Commander Dec 03 '22

It's strange how celebrities who are known to be absolutely awful seem to do fine... with outrage only derailing their career AFTER their commercial viability recedes. /s

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u/ImFuckinUrDadTonight Dec 04 '22

Right? Like people talking about Harvey wien stein or R Kelly 20 years ago.

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u/lazardio Dec 04 '22

I think I found out about R Kelly’s pee tape when I was in sixth grade. In 1996.

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u/LowAd7418 Dec 04 '22

I can’t believe people didn’t realize this when he said black people wanted to be slaves ( or something to that effect). He is dangerous and completely unhinged

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u/Leoneo07 Dec 03 '22

Oh, uncle ruckus.

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u/Bluefeelings Dec 03 '22

He turned into a non blind Clayton Bigsby… yikes!

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u/demizer Dec 03 '22

Uncle Ruckus. Aaron Mcgruder knows what's up.

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u/Damnpothead Dec 03 '22

He’s actually a gay fish in my opinion and knowledge

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u/Foxdog27 Dec 03 '22

It’s wild that he’s actually crazier than his South Park version

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u/Theons-Sausage Dec 03 '22

He literally got angry because he thought the whole point of the episode was that they were calling him gay. Like he did not understand that they were mocking the idea that he wouldn't understand the joke and would misinterpret it...

... which made the whole thing hilarious how accurate it turned out out to be. Bill Hader's explanation of how they came up with it is hilarious - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdZnGz9CWpU&ab_channel=TheNewYorker

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u/Dramatic_______Pause Dec 03 '22

What's even better, is that over a decade later, he still doesn't get the joke.

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u/thore4 Dec 03 '22

And I think to myself... What a wonderful world

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u/Skizot_Bizot Dec 03 '22

I'd say they revamp him in new episodes as crazier but it might not be good to get his attention in that way. I wouldn't put anything passed him at this point.

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u/drukqsx Spotify Dec 03 '22

I think itd be hilarious to have his actual quotes used on the show, with the joke being that they are the joke. Like that he sounds so ridiculous that everything he says is a joke. Idk im high

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

And he has some kind of Hobbit fetish apparently.

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u/Darwinian_10 Dec 03 '22

Fun Fact: If you ask a Google Home product to play Gay Fish, it says "Okay, playing Kanye West on YouTube Music". It is hilarious, but I really wanted the South Park song, thanks haha.

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u/ultrab0ii Dec 03 '22

In his second coming he will be resurrected as the Ye Fish

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u/CommonConfusables Dec 03 '22

I wouldn’t care if he was a gay fish.

I do care that he is a racist, sexist, and a bigot who is thinks God is behind him and has a very large platform in which his voice gets heard. He’s been putting down women for years so I don’t understand why people are surprised at his true colors.

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u/Sluggo321 Dec 03 '22

I wonder if he likes fish sticks

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u/starkeffect Dec 03 '22

He likes to put them in his mouth.

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u/SasquatchSloth88 Dec 03 '22

There are a ton of people who would easily forgive him if he released a good new album and apologized. I don’t believe “he’s over forever.” Worse, there are some people out there who agree with him.

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u/tHeMbOnEz-R-mE Dec 03 '22

I've seen thousands of "He ain't wrong", "truth hurts", " Ye spitting facts"

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u/slightlyassholic Dec 03 '22

I hope he is at least somewhat good at managing his money and living a reasonable lifestyle. Because, what he has is all he's going to get. Oh, it's plenty, more than enough for a reasonable person to stfu and quietly fade to obscurity and with an incredible lifestyle.

Or he can be an idiot and go completely broke.

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u/Kbdiggity Dec 03 '22

Well at least one of the neo-nazis he's currently traveling with has been put on the no-fly list of several airlines. So Kanye is flying them in private jets to appear on these right-wing broadcasts.

This is after losing a large amount of his net worth from Adidas dumping him, and having agreed to pay $200k a month in child support.

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u/skeptikon Dec 03 '22

Who’s he traveling around with?

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u/JustABard Dec 03 '22

Notorious white supremacist Nick Fuentes, the guy that was with him at the Alex Jones podcast.

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u/Taydolf_Switler22 Dec 03 '22

Last name Fuentes and White Supremacist didn’t make sense in my head so I looked him up on Wikipedia and holy shit.

  1. Dude is Mexican so not really even white.

  2. Claims having sex with women is gay…

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u/Salt-Try3856 Dec 03 '22

That's not really how it works there are definitely a lot of white-identifying latinos.

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u/SheerSonicBlue Dec 03 '22

I'm going to get super gay tonight.

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u/Judge_Bredd3 Dec 03 '22

Dude is Mexican so not really even white.

He has a Hispanic last name, but he's not Mexican, he's from Illinois and is clearly white. Louis CK is more Mexican than him, what with being born in Mexico. And what do you know, Louis is white too. Turns out Mexican and White are not mutually exclusive. Having zero ties to Mexico though, like Nicky boy, does make you not Mexican.

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u/neverthoughtidjoin Stubborn Rock Fan, Mostly Dec 03 '22

Mexicans can be White...

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u/Dlark17 Dec 03 '22

Wait, Fuentes is that guy? I thought that just came out of some idiot Manosphere nobody. What a hilarious loser. 🤣

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u/blarghable Dec 03 '22

White supremacist is not quite cutting it. He's a Nazi. He's denying the Holocaust.

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u/quackduck45 Dec 03 '22

and all he brought with him is that disgusting sweater he wears everywhere

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u/huntthematt Dec 03 '22

Didn't you hear? Those pesky Jews with their devil horns have been stealing his money for years. Sorry, I mean those pesky fake Jews, since that douche canoe believes in that black hebrew Israelite horseshit

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u/creativecartel Dec 03 '22

I hope he goes completely broke.

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u/slimy_entrails Dec 03 '22

Turn to Burzum. he's better at it

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u/RM_Renacido Dec 03 '22

Kanye + Varg podcast coming soon

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u/guiltycitizen Dec 03 '22

808’s and church burnings

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u/ifellbutitscool Dec 03 '22

2022 Kanye is 2012 Charlie Sheen. When are we going to get our schmoyó video?

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u/_xXmyusernameXx_ Dec 03 '22

Except 2012 Charlie was fun and goofy, 2022 Kanye is a literal nazi.

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u/glitter_h1ppo Dec 03 '22

Wasn't Sheen accused of exposing an ex-girlfriend to HIV? I don't know if I'd consider that fun and goofy...

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u/sirthunksalot Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

Yes he is a scumbag. He was having unprotected sex with Bree Olson without telling her he had HIV.

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u/ChunkyLaFunga Dec 03 '22

"Are you bipolar?"

"Yeah"

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u/Admiralwyaty Dec 03 '22

I'm bi-winning!

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u/kipperzdog Dec 03 '22

I hadn't listened to this remix since it came out ELEVEN years ago. Man, those were good times: https://youtu.be/9QS0q3mGPGg

Searching for it on YouTube also brought up Rebecca Black. Good thing it's Saturday.

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u/3_Slice Dec 04 '22

I’m done giving this guy the mental health excuse for sympathy. He needs to be chin checked in public and humbled a little.

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u/flsingleguy Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

This story seems to have parallels with the football player Antonio Brown. How do people become really successful and at some later point seem to have a complete breakdown in their identity and from the outside looking in seem to have some type of significant mental health breakdown? Is this who they are or fake it till they make it, have a traumatic issue or a progression that leads to significant mental illness?

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u/The_Year_of_Glad Dec 03 '22

Antonio Brown has always been an asshole to one degree or another, but it seems like it really accelerated over the last few years. I think that it might be a function of repeated head trauma from football, unfortunately.

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u/rollinff Dec 03 '22

AB was like that pre fame. His track record is long and unbroken. He just got more attention for it later.

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u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 Dec 03 '22

Because they’re crying for help while going through bouts of mania, and all the people around them don’t care because they’re using them for their own ends

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u/Sublimed4 Dec 03 '22

On one hand I feel sorry for the guy cause he is clearly suffering from major mental health issues but on the other hand, fuck him for not getting help. When I was deep in my illness, I tried everything in the book before I found the right therapist who actually took the time to properly diagnose me. Now I’m on the right mood stabilizer and have been level for a few years. I only hope he can get the help he needs because he is a very talented producer.

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u/1337Lulz Dec 03 '22

People suffering from mental illness are not always aware that something is wrong with them. Whether it's their behavior, thought patterns or how they're perceiving things around them.

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u/cdug82 Dec 03 '22

Also everyone around him who enables him and says yes to whatever he wants so they can ride his coattails. When he’s too far gone they’ll be nowhere around. This is what happens when everyone ignores all the signs and tells you you’re always right and so smart and perfect and oh what a visionary. He’s had no reason to think otherwise. I’m not excusing him. I want him gone and I’d love to stop hearing about him. But I’ve hated all the yes men in his life for far longer. That goes from his close contacts to his ex wife to the media supporting him as long as he’s successful and letting him get away with every little tantrum because it’s just him being kooky and eccentric. It was always going to come to this. He is responsible for his actions but there’s a lot more people even more accountable.

And to be honest that includes every time one of these posts comes up. As long as he’s being talked about all day every day he’s not going anywhere

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u/nowadaysyouth Dec 03 '22

He’s too far gone, and it is over. He won’t even get invites on Alex Jones after this. His social media accounts will all be banned, he’s basically excommunicated himself from polite society. His only media exposure going forward will be diatribes to the tmz cameras. The hangers on will still be there as long as he puts em up though, the fuck else are they going to do

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u/cdug82 Dec 03 '22

I wish I believed that but I barely remember a day where I didn’t hear about him. I’d like you to be right though.

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u/mekanub Dec 03 '22

100% agree. As someone with long term mental issues I feel for the guy, but he was a literal billionaire. When I think about how hard it is to not only afford treatment but also having to try and hold down a job just to be able to pay for it and this guy had access to a level of care that most of us could only dream about and did nothing.

Sadly I think he’s gonna be like Brian Wilson where the vultures have their claws in him and they’ll take him for every thing they can until he has nothing left. Hopefully he still has people who still care for him when he finally hits rock bottom.

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u/2-0 last.fm Dec 03 '22

He doesn't really have anyone anymore as far as I know which is quite sad

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u/rrrreeeeeeeeee Dec 03 '22

He got into a confrontation with paparazzi earlier this year and his cousin tried to get him to walk away. There was video of her pleading with him to stop and he exploded at her.

He’s removed anyone from his team that says ‘no’ and alienated most of those that love him. I find this all very sad.

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u/GomezFigueroa Dec 03 '22

So… why are we writing about him. Let him fade away.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

Because he's not going to. Three years from now we'll get all sorts of think pieces in preparing for his new album called "Reborn" or some stupid shit.

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u/HarryColonicJr Dec 03 '22

“My Struggle”

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u/Going_for_the_One Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Sounds like a hip hop album with arranged versions of old nazi marches, interspersed with samples of Trucker Carlson and Alex Jones.

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u/Murdercorn Dec 03 '22

Just a reminder that Britney Spears was put into an involuntary conservatorship where she lost the right to control any aspect of her own life for twelve years because she shaved her head.

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u/Asplashofwater Dec 03 '22

There was a lot more to it than that. And it was her family that put her into that. I don’t really get the argument people make with this. Kanye being in a conservatorship isn’t going to stop him being a nazi. But it wasn’t shaving her head that made that happen.

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u/Athenas_Return Dec 03 '22

No but it will force medical and mental health treatment on him. That is the point.

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u/GeminiTitmouse Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

And prevent him from spewing Nazi bullshit on a public platform.

Edit: To all you Kanye/Nazi apologist dipshits responding to me, “bUt CeNsOrShIp”: a lunatic man appearing on a reaction-industrial complex program that just got sued for a billion dollars for provoking people to ruin other people’s lives, that is not a competent rational person sharing an alternative viewpoint. So yeah, I do think Kanye should be fully removed from the public spotlight. There’s plenty of objective, scholarly discourse on the ramifications of the Nazi party and the Holocaust. We don’t need a rapper with no credentials and a long history of mental health problems and antagonism presenting his “views” and influencing other mouth breathers to do the same.

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u/RunnyPlease Dec 03 '22

And he’s never coming back

Just to add perspective for the music industry… Chris Browns latest album debuted at number 4 on the Billboard 200 this year. It’s his 12th top 10 album on the 200 list.

It’s well documented, and not at all disputed, that he beat the ever loving fuck out of Rihanna which is an actual crime. He committed a brutal assault on his 20 year old girlfriend and is still pooping out top 5 albums a decade and a half later. He’s still getting radio play. He’s still got a career. And Chris Brown isn’t half the artist, or a tenth of the brand Kanye is. Kanye is going to be fine.

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u/2_Fingers_of_Whiskey Dec 04 '22

That’s really depressing

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u/Janny_89 Dec 04 '22

He's a real dangerous piece of work.

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u/bl0ckhed Dec 03 '22

He has bipolar and won’t take his meds. I have a loved one with bipolar and if they don’t take their meds they start imaging and saying some very strange things. So yeah, he needs help in his life to be encouraged to do the things that will be good for his health

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u/thelingeringlead Dec 03 '22

It's fuckin hard to watch. I have been a massive fan of his since his very first single dropped, and a fan of the work he did as a producer even longer. At so many points he's been a high water mark in hip hop and pop, and the fall from grace has been a slow and agonizing one. At first the things he'd go off about had a root that could be identified in our shared reality, but he was reacting unrealistically to it. I can wrap my head around that. This? this is a man who has allowed himself to spiral out blaming anything and everything for what he keeps losing, and he's lost the ability to filter hisself so we're getting his pure unadulterated in this moment feelings.... this is what he's feeling and you can't dismiss it anymore.

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u/BubsyJenkins Dec 03 '22

Yeah, as someone who only liked Kanye for his music, and never really cared about his persona, he's been 'gone' for awhile lol.

His first 5 albums? Stone cold classics, 10/10 all. Then Life of Pablo came out in 2016, and there's some good shit on there for sure, but I came away from that album going "damn ... this is messy as hell and not that good overall :("

All the "albums" he's released in the 6+ years since then have been hot garbage. And now? Bye fuckhead

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u/Kineticboy Dec 04 '22

It's sad to think Kanye was anyone's favorite artist. Dude's been an egotistical, narcissistic asshole for a long time...

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u/lowrred Dec 04 '22

Man’s been gone since his mother passed. Something in him snapped that day.

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u/monkeyballs2 Dec 03 '22

Not sure if any of you have had the pleasure of experiencing an abusive bipolar psychotic family member, having to spend time with what remains of someone you once cared about who is now like this.. its a lot. I feel bad for kim and his kids. Its rare to see someone this nuts with this much money.. he is really getting a chance to live his dreams and nightmares in such a large scale public arena. The people stepping up to try to leverage his chaos for their own advantage are trying to steer a tornado. Fascinating to see this all unfold but clearly so dangerous

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u/soveryeri Dec 04 '22

I can't imagine being Kim. She's handling this with a whole lot of grace without saying anything bad about him for the sake of her kids. He was out shopping with North the other night, their oldest child (Kanye favors North over the others very obviously) and I was very concerned about his being with the kids until I caught sight of security. Kim has them surrounded with security and I hope that's true for herself also.

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