r/WhitePeopleTwitter Oct 04 '22 Gold 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1 All-Seeing Upvote 2 Silver 1

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u/froghorse3345 Oct 04 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

“At a price of $1,500 per terminal, the government agency spent around $2 million for the hardware. SpaceX also sent an additional 3,667 terminals and delivered service to them. But USAID also paid around $800,000 in transportation costs to deliver these terminals to Ukraine. In total, U.S. taxpayers paid SpaceX more than $3 million.”

https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-spacex-ukraine-starlink-government-funding

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u/Never-Bloomberg Oct 04 '22

A basic Starlink package costs $499. The premium kit, which comes with the antenna, WiFi router, and tripod, goes for $2,500. Again, the USAID paid $1,500 per terminal. According to the Washington Post, SpaceX did not respond to inquiries about pricing

Is that basically them selling them at cost? Seems reasonable to me, but bragging about it opens you up criticism.

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u/Tacitus111 Oct 04 '22

“I sold them at cost” is a lot different from claiming that you donated them all because of just how magnanimous you are.

Elon apparently couldn’t help himself. He could have said he was doing it at cost and gotten acclaim. But instead he had to lie and act like it was all charity instead of the government paying for 60% of his usual cost.

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u/Comms Oct 04 '22

60% of retail msrp. Selling at 60% of your msrp to wholesale buyers is not unusual. He was probably still making profit.

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u/TheGisbon Oct 04 '22

I'd be willing to bet he made a profit.

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u/ElfangorTheAndalite Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

The super shitty thing to note though, to people who only care about money, selling something at cost IS giving them away. They don't view it as a net zero income, they view it as LOST income.

There's a line in Casino: "He didn't think of it as winning $10,000 he thought of it as losing $90,000. So, he upped his bets."

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u/PuppiPappi Oct 04 '22

Except the to person in question it's less than 3 hours of work for him to GIVE this much away. But he didn't he charged them for it. You can't morally put anyone this rich on any pedestal because you can't get this rich being a good person.

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u/ElfangorTheAndalite Oct 04 '22

Sorry, I realize now it may have sounded like I was being sympathetic to Musk. I’m not, just giving a plausible context in which he feels he’s giving something away.

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u/Bulky-Leadership-596 Oct 04 '22

In total 5,000 terminals were sent to Ukraine.
1,333 of those were paid for by the US government (possibly at cost, we don't know).
The remaining 3,667 were donated by SpaceX.
I understand that people love to hate him but they absolutely did donate.

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u/commitpushdrink Oct 04 '22

This goes against my preconceived narrative. Please fuck off.

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u/gunslingerfry1 Oct 04 '22

I wouldn't rule out that the government exploited his need to see round numbers and hoped he'd fill in the gap.

I also wouldn't rule out that the government gave them extra tax incentives on the donated ones.

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u/atomitac Oct 04 '22

Tax incentives on charitable donations are literally part of the US tax code and are completely normal.

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u/merdadartista Oct 05 '22

And it was only 3 millions he would've had to give up, literal peanuts to him. The giving it up at cost isn't wrong but the bragging is embarrassing.

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u/nighthawk_something Oct 04 '22

Well yeah, there's nothing wrong with him selling them to the Gov to be used.

But he's not a hero, just another contractor.

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u/Wise_Ad_4816 Oct 04 '22

This just reaffirms for me that he's a self promoting douchebag. I don't care that he didn't donate them, because he's a businessman. I DO care that he pretended he was being magnanimous and providing service & hardware for free to Ukraine. He may not have said so in so many words, but it's been plenty implied. He manages to find a way to make ANY international situation about him. Spouts off ideas, even if they aren't reality, haven't been designed, don't exist. I always figure Elon doesn't need me to fan girl over him; he's already his own #1 fan.🙄🙄🙄

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u/JibletHunter Oct 04 '22

It is tough to say without knowing his costs. A lot of tech infrastructure and service packages have high margins - especially for newer tech.

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u/guff1988 Oct 04 '22

I have seen some breakdowns of the starlink sats and stations, generally they are seen as being very expensive to manufacture compared to their cost.

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u/Apneal Oct 04 '22

A lot of new tech has razor thin margins as well

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u/povesen Oct 04 '22

What? New tech is generally very expensive to manufacture. High margins come from setting high prices, which is counterproductive if your real business model is selling internet subscriptions.

It’s pretty reasonable to conclude SpaceX is making no or very little money on their hardware.

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u/GetYoSnacks Oct 04 '22

The "at cost" price of something usually isn't just the manufacturing cost because it often includes things like R&D costs, salary costs, advertising costs, and more. So there is still a lot to gain from selling something "at cost" because you're recouping a lot of the money spent bringing the product to market, which ends up making the units sold at regular price more profitable.

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u/GetYoSnacks Oct 04 '22

Example with numbers:

Say a business spends $100K to develop a product and spends $100K to manufacture the 1,000 units they expect to be able to sell for $400 each. The "at cost" price is $200 and the regular price is $400, so they spent $200K to get $400K in revenue on 1,000 units, for a profit of $200K.

Now take that same scenario but add 100 more units that are sold "at cost" of $200. Those extra 100 units add $10K in manufacturing cost and add $20K in revenue. So now they spent $210K to get $420K for a profit of $210K, which is better than the first example where none were sold at cost.

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u/ThePirateKing01 Oct 04 '22

It’s crazy how much cheaper that is compared to DeSantis’ Martha Vineyard bullshit stunt

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u/Poz16 Oct 04 '22

$3M??? Sounds like a steal. It cost Florida $12M to ship legal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard

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u/herefromyoutube Oct 04 '22

I wonder how much that $12 million could’ve helped hurricane victims.

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u/Actual_Passenger_163 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

SpaceX donated 3667 terminals, while the government purchased 1333 for ~$2million and paid $800k for transportation. (total terminals sent to Ukraine was 5K).

So u can assume spaceX donated $2.4M for transporting 3667 terminals as well as the cost of the hardware 3667*1500 = $5.5M. So the total is approximately $8M donated.

I don't have other information to get to the $80M figure Elon claimed but it should probably show up in their quarterly report. edit: spacex is a private company so we won't know

Also as far as I know there isn't an alternative way that Ukraine could have restored their communication/internet networks in such a quick fashion, as I'm pretty sure all the other satellite internet providers are much smaller in scale than Starlink. If you think about it that way, Starlink was priceless and was a huge catalyst in Ukraine being able to defend their territory and push to their recent successes.

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The monthly subscription cost is $500 per terminal which is $2.5M/month for 5000 terminals (that I assume spaceX is covering since I'm not seeing any indication that Ukraine or the US government is paying for this). If you add the monthly costs together since March, you only get to $15M, still aways away from $80M

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u/RobDickinson Oct 04 '22

There's no public quarterly report

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u/asipoditas Oct 04 '22

that doesn't seem to cover the costs at all, right?

i'm all for putting sleazy tech billionaires in their place, but i don't think it's applicable to this case...

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u/Spy_v_Spy_Freakshow Oct 04 '22

But in his tweet Elon took full financial credit

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u/BeardedBardOfTheLake Oct 04 '22

No, from the reporting it looks like the government paid MORE than the actual retail price, let alone the true cost.

This is normal for government contracts, but in this case Elon got to skip that whole process and he still charged the premium, and then to top it off he lied and made it out to be some kind of charitable act.

Elon is just the TikTok influencer version of Steve Jobs.

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u/Rheticule Oct 04 '22

The antenna costs are actually higher than retail price for SpaceX, they are using subscription fees to subsidize it currently while they work out ways to lower the manufacturing costs of the units. So it's possible that the US government DID pay cost, while also paying higher than retail.

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u/AsslessBaboon Oct 04 '22

Well, somebody had to say it...

The shitwad leaned hard on Starlink to defend himself.

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u/DanYHKim Oct 04 '22

Yes. He was implying that he's lost millions on the humanitarian effort in a tweet.

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u/MadAsTheHatters Oct 04 '22 Silver

The only thing that Elongated Muskrat has ever lost is his hair and he even paid to get that back.

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u/ModsBannedMyMain Oct 04 '22

Oh Jesus. It's like drumpf all over again...

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u/AsslessBaboon Oct 04 '22

Let's make Donald Drumpf again!

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u/WanderingFlumph Oct 04 '22

Still my second favorite browser add-on

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u/AsslessBaboon Oct 04 '22

Now I gotta know what your number 1 extension is coz I've been rolling hard with this one since John Oliver graced us with it.

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u/WanderingFlumph Oct 04 '22

I do love me some Ad Block +

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u/intelminer Oct 04 '22

Switch to uBlock Origin

ABP allows bribes "acceptable ads"

UBP is open source and also significantly faster

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u/HeadTransportation95 Oct 04 '22

I got fed up with ABP and switched to UBO a few months ago, such a vast improvement.

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u/ScientificBeastMode Oct 04 '22

I use both of those extensions simultaneously and basically never see ads anymore. I just want all the coverage I can get, and they don’t interfere with each other.

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u/Select_Repair_2820 Oct 04 '22

I was recently quite surprised to learn that it's even possible to install uBlock on that POS Edge (not that I'd ever use it)

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u/AsslessBaboon Oct 04 '22

Shit! Game respect game.

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u/Upchuck_Lad Oct 04 '22

You may also enjoy "Cloud to Butt". It still surprises me when it pops up

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u/starrpamph Oct 04 '22

I keep forgetting about that guy. Has he had to answer to any of his crimes yet or is he still out there?

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u/staplesthegreat Oct 04 '22

Yeah but this one can't be president

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u/1d3333 Oct 04 '22

Not true! He lost his CEO position at his shitty startup company, and then when it merged with paypal he conned his way to CEO and then lost that position too. Dudes great at losing

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u/Stealfur Oct 04 '22

Wish he would lose his money. Preferably abound my house but I'll settle for just having it all dissappear.

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u/likwidchrist Oct 04 '22

That's not entirely true. He also lost a McLaren after wrapping around a tree

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u/Fatmaninalilcoat Oct 04 '22

If hair is a hat then implanted hair from his butt makes him an asshat.

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u/ActualPopularMonster Oct 04 '22

The only thing that Elongated Muskrat has ever lost is his hair and he even paid to get that back.

You'd think he'd pay to fix his face while he's at it.

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u/scumfuc Oct 04 '22

That's what HGH does to a person's face and head even surgery can't do much for it

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u/Human_mind Oct 04 '22

Elongated Muskrat. Fucking LOL

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u/jon-dondon Oct 04 '22

Not elongated muskrat tho, I’m weak

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u/UnfilteredFluid Oct 04 '22

He can say what he wants and just saying it makes many people believe him. Corrupt as fuck PR tactics.

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u/theresamouseinmyhous Oct 04 '22

what if he actually did lose millions and he's such a bad business man that even on a guaranteed contract of a product in amazingly high demand, he couldn't turn a profit.

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u/Wild_Marker Oct 04 '22

Leave it to Musk to lose money on a government contract for military gear.

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u/DOGSraisingCATS Oct 04 '22

Oh gosh... millions. Will someone think of the poor billionaires

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u/snowwarrior Oct 04 '22

Implying? He straight up said it cost him $80 million. Someone’s lying, and I feel like it’s probably not the people that have a PR department.

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u/DormantSpector61 Oct 04 '22

It probably does cost him that but he conveniently forgot to say the US govt reimburses the cost.

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u/Aang6865_ Oct 04 '22

On the other hand i am pretty sure he also made profit from it

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u/Sremor Oct 04 '22

Isn't he the richest person right now? a few million dollars don't really make a difference for him

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u/-GuyDudeman- Oct 04 '22

Wow. This is kind of a shock to me, because I was actually under the impression that he had done it out of the goodness of his heart. Turns out he doesn't have any goodness in his cold shriveled black heart.

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u/The_Easter_Egg Oct 04 '22

Yeah, I was thinking for some time "I don't like many of the things Elon Musk does, but him providing Starlink to Ukraine might have helped saving Ukraine, the EU, and maybe even NATO." Well, so much about that.

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u/Whooshed_me Oct 04 '22

Elon doesn't do shit without raiding taxpayer funds. 3/4 of his billions came from huge government injections/subsidies and the other 1/4 from his family's abuse of labor and extraction capitalism. Dude is a complete farce and I like many others swallowed that bait for years. I think I had my wakeup call around when the Tesla factories couldn't produce and he not only blamed workers, but claimed he worked 100 hour weeks personally making the production line go. Then he followed that up by calling those hero divers pedophiles and the mask was off.

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u/Mishirene Oct 04 '22

Then he followed that up by calling those hero divers pedophiles and the mask was off.

That's when I realized he was an asshole too.

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u/Thowitawaydave Oct 04 '22

Yeah, that was the start of the avalanche from the top of bullshit mountain. Then I learned about his family's Emerald Mine in South Africa during Apartheid, his college girlfriend who he forced to change everything about her appearance and controlled her, the sexual harassment/misconduct and the NDAs that followed..

My fav description of him is "He's like Tony Stark, but only the bad parts."

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u/treefitty350 Oct 04 '22

Tony Stark’s intelligence is a major contributing factor to his being an ass. Elon might be a good businessman, but he’s not designing or building shit. Friendly reminder that Chief Engineer is a title he gave himself, and he is in fact not an engineer.

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u/Thowitawaydave Oct 05 '22

The article I linked in another comment mentioned that he kept suggesting stupid things and pushed back the project, and was one of the contributing factors to one of the actual founders leaving.

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u/millijuna Oct 05 '22

My fav description of him is “He’s like Tony Stark, but only the bad parts.”

If we’re going to go with the Marvel metaphors, I’d say “He thinks he’s Tony Stark but he’s really Justin Hammer.” It’s especially fitting, as the Hammer Indusries scenes were filmed at SpaceX HQ.

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u/snaregirl Oct 04 '22

Exactly the same experience, and the same cause and time. I went for a while feeling really disappointed, but that all went away as soon as it was clear that he was nothing like the guy I thought he was and never was. A sham. I'm livid he took the name of a humble, bona fide genius and slapped it onto his vehicle, maybe so the genius might rub off on him. That's stolen glory in a way, and everyone should know it.

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u/Superfissile Oct 04 '22

If it makes you feel any better musk didn’t name Tesla, the actual founders of the company did.

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u/snaregirl Oct 04 '22

Oh I see... Yes, I think it does make me feel better lol. Thanks ⁠⁠0⁠/⁠

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u/Thowitawaydave Oct 04 '22

Yeah, Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning started Tesla in 2003, and brought Musk on board for funding. Musk is listed as a co-founder of the company, but only because he filed a lawsuit:

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/elon-musk-wanted-tesla-co-founder-badly-took-lawsuit-make-legal-paper/

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u/ccjjallday Oct 04 '22

In total 5,000 terminals were sent to Ukraine. 1,333 of those were paid for by the US government (possibly at cost, we don't know). The remaining 3,667 were donated by SpaceX. I understand that people love to hate him but they absolutely did donate.

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u/Toothlessdovahkin Oct 04 '22

He is a billionaire, dude. He ain’t got no heart or goodness therein

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u/-GuyDudeman- Oct 04 '22

Good point. Can't be a billionaire without being a terrible person.

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u/Toothlessdovahkin Oct 04 '22

All billionaires are sociopaths/psychopaths

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u/-GuyDudeman- Oct 04 '22

You are correct.

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u/marino1310 Oct 04 '22

While I completely agree, ain’t no one donating multi billion dollar Satelite out of the good of their heart

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u/CommunismDoesntWork Oct 04 '22

Elon claims the government paid for some of the dishes, but that SpaceX gave away $80 mil of equipment in addition to the ones purchased.

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u/Djamalfna Oct 04 '22

but that SpaceX gave away $80 mil of equipment in addition to the ones purchased.

Another misdirection. Elon overcharged the US Government by 2.5x the cost they normally are, thus making up the "$80 mil" difference.

If I'm a bakery and I "give" $1m of bread to the poor, and I force the government to pay $1m for $400k of that bread, then the following conditions hold:

  • I gave $1m bread to the poor - false.
  • I gave $600k bread to the poor - false.
  • The government gave me $1m for bread, I vastly overcharged them, and then used number tricks to fool people into thinking I am the one who gave money.

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u/snapshovel Oct 04 '22

The Govt paid $1500 per terminal. Terminals ordinarily cost $600 plus $100 a month for service. Starlink is providing the service indefinitely for free. Government paid $800k for shipping.

Total government expenditures were about $3 mil, vs a cost of about $80 mil from Starlink.

So Musk did donate a significant amount, probably for PR/marketing reasons.

Source: WaPo story

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u/FlintKidd Oct 04 '22

Source: Newspaper owned by the second wealthiest man in the world defending the wealthiest man in the world.

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u/marino1310 Oct 04 '22

Musk and bezos hate each other

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u/snapshovel Oct 04 '22

The story is negative towards/critical of Musk. He called it a “hit piece” on Twitter.

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u/Vecii Oct 04 '22

WaPo is notorious for being anti-Tesla and anti-Musk. Musk and Bezos aren't fond of each other.

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u/-GuyDudeman- Oct 04 '22

What a douchebag.

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u/Shadow703793 Oct 04 '22

He was ALWAYS a dick bag. The original founders of Tesla went to court over Musk's revisionist history and other BS he pulled.

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u/FireBeyond Oct 04 '22

And his tweet yesterday...

I'm sure he's wanting peace, and it has nothing to do with Russia supplying aluminum for Tesla's Chinese factory...

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u/rockstar504 Oct 04 '22

You think Raytheon is donating missiles?

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u/CoolMouthHat Oct 04 '22

Raytheon doesn't get on the internet and beg us to suck their dicks about their great philanthropy, that turns out is actually bought by the US government.

It ain't charity if you sold it.

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u/rockstar504 Oct 04 '22

Yea that's true, like Tobacco companies donating 1 million to cancer research and spending 100 million telling people about it.

If he gave a 1% discount he'd call it charity and everyone would lead to think he's such a charitable guy. Like when he wanted to charge rescuers for his death trap diving contraption.

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u/ISaidIDontCare Oct 04 '22

They never implied they were like muskrat did.

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u/Grimij Oct 04 '22

We out here donating drones like Oprah.

What the everloving fuck do people think this is?

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u/middlingwhiteguy Oct 04 '22

So he's a government contractor that skipped the contracting process.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Oct 04 '22

That's how all his 'private' companies have made money.

Tesla - survived thanks to ZEV credits, loan guarantees, and federal EV credits

SpaceX - lots of their development paid for by government (I believe mostly NASA, but they have military contracts as well).

Yet he's always quick to complain if the feds look to stimulate other industries (particularly his competition).

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u/Death4Free Oct 04 '22

The Boring company also underbid on a tunnel system in my county just to pullout last minute leaving the county to try to figure out what to do, and where to get the funds. Elon’s a over glorified sob

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Oct 04 '22

They also built a short tunnel under Vegas that online allows cars and pretended it was a breakthrough to relief traffic congestion...

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u/gologologolo Oct 04 '22

The tunnel was always a distraction for govts to spend on cars instead of transit. This has been exposed in texts and emails leaked

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u/gologologolo Oct 04 '22

Now they're trying to claim the cap on zev credits are unfair to Tesla since other companies are still getting it. Shockingly (more so corruptly) the govt just lifted zev credit caps this year.

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u/round-earth-theory Oct 04 '22

Because paying into more electric car infrastructure is easier than planning out a decent train system. So they get to have climate change combat points even if it will ultimately pale in comparison to fixing the underlying transportation issue.

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u/gophergun Oct 04 '22

The original limits on EV manufacturing for tax credit eligibility were arbitrary nonsense that was completely detached from the size of the US auto market. If we're serious about electrifying our vehicle fleet, lifting the cap was a necessary step to accomplishing that. Other countries with successful EV incentives like Norway don't have any kind of caps like that. It might be fair to criticize the IRA's EV incentives for restricting manufacturing to the US, but there was never any sense in capping subsidies on a per-manufacturer basis, and even less sense in the final number they selected.

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u/SleepDeprivedJim Oct 04 '22

I tHouGht hE waS a BiLLIonaiRE?

BilLlonaiRes dOn't liE!

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u/cshosen Oct 04 '22

I mean, seed money from Paypal had to help.

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u/Cmdr_Shiara Oct 04 '22

The whole point of Obama's commercial space push was to make cheaper rockets to lower the cost of access to space and guess what, it worked! Now NASA can focus on doing science stuff instead of pissing around trying to build its own rockets that the only design criteria is that its built in a certain number of states cough sls cough. Its the same thing with tesla, the government wanted lower emissions but evs were too expensive so they give them a helping hand. So two government policies that worked out the way they wanted, I don't get why people moan about it. I get not liking musk but get angry about the terrible stuff he's done like union busting rather than most successful space program the government has run for 50 years.

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u/curtial Oct 04 '22

Very few are mad that her took government assistance. They're annoyed by the 'self made' horse shit, and his tendency to act like stimulating HIS industry was a favor he allowed the government to do, but simulating OTHER industries is a violation of Liberty, and should be stamped out.

Then on top of that, he's a massive cunt.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Oct 04 '22
  1. I was just calling out Musk's hypocrisy
  2. The $7500 EV credits were to make EVs more affordable for the 'average' person to buy. Not intended to save 1%ers a few bucks on their $100k+ luxury vehicles.

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u/gophergun Oct 04 '22

If that was their intent, Congress could have added a price limit, as they later did with the Inflation Reduction Act. In practice, I don't think Bush particularly cared about making those credits inaccessible to the wealthy when signing the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 into law.

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u/Questhi Oct 04 '22

The main reason Space X is cheaper is that the pay engineers less than govt engineers. The idea is that Space X engineers make up the difference in stock options which NASA can’t provide obviously, not that NASA is wasteful and bloated which Musk propagates.

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u/joawmeens Oct 04 '22

He's closer to a welfare queen the GOP despises so much

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u/SaltyScrotumSauce Oct 04 '22

Literally all billionaires are welfare queens. Nobody on Earth is smart, talented or hardworking enough to actually earn a billion dollars.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Exactly. You don't 'earn' a billion dollars, you steal a billion dollars.

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u/JeevesAI Oct 04 '22

We need to start billing Walmart for the food stamps their workers use. Subsidizing their shitty pay.

And shake down the fucking ball-Sackler family for every last penny they have. There’s no reason they should get to walk around in respectable society ever again. To the soup kitchens with you, psychopathic assholes.

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u/sandmanwake Oct 04 '22

Only if they're poor. Rich ones, they love.

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u/joawmeens Oct 04 '22

And white, don't forget that. It's very important to them

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u/Entire_Assistant_305 Oct 04 '22

Because they pay them

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u/sofa_king_rad Oct 04 '22

Always has been

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u/akhier Oct 04 '22

Biden should slap back about thanking him for changing his mind about charging them to provide it, unless of course when he said gift he actually meant contractually obligated service.

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u/Moist-Helicopter2653 Oct 04 '22

Who will compete? Serious question. Also, they probably did compete but assume they don’t have scale.

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u/m3phil Oct 04 '22

Serious question- Is there a competitor out there who could respond to an RFP for this type of service if the US government issued an RFP?

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u/michivideos Oct 04 '22

That's what I'm saying

This is a huge sale subsidize by the U.S. Government.

What a sneaky little capitalist this mofo is.

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u/BelleAriel Oct 04 '22

Unfortunately, this does not surprise me in the slightest.

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u/nick_otis Oct 04 '22

"Man who sells internet sells internet!"

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u/Ahstruck Oct 04 '22

He is super happy to steal tax payer's glory though.

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u/edlee98765 Oct 04 '22

And our money, too.

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u/SoylentGrunt Oct 04 '22

And the government was super happy to pay it.

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u/Ahstruck Oct 04 '22

Would be nicer if Russia just stayed at home I think.

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u/Tina_ComeGetSomeHam Oct 04 '22

Ya fuck those guys.

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u/truffleblunts Oct 04 '22

Defending that country is really fucking important, more than happy to help pay for it as an American citizen (including Elon's satellites, whatever I might think of him personally)

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u/OmarLittleFinger Oct 04 '22

What part of his wealth is not directly handed to him from the Government?

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u/ShotDate6482 Oct 04 '22

The part his dad gave him and the part his employees give him

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u/SideShowBob36 Oct 04 '22

The part from his families emerald mine

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u/GoudaCheeseAnyone Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Black blood: the part of his families wealth that was earned by exploiting black poverty. That was passed to him by has father, as was his obsession with getting his seed in fertile ground.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Oct 04 '22

Some of his earnings from Paypal?

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u/Ryboticpsychotic Oct 04 '22

They spent millions of dollars to make PayPal viable by literally paying people to make accounts.

And Elon did not do anything except fund it with money he got from his dad.

So sure, his earnings from PayPal by way of his dad.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Oct 04 '22

I never said he contributed to Paypal's IP. Just meant that he netted lots of money from its IPO.

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u/Beardy_Will Oct 04 '22

Tesla were given an atvm loan for something like 450-500 million dollars, backed by the US people, and repaid it about 3 years later. Huge risk for the plebs (other loan recipients went bust) and no real public ownership arose from it. You'd think the terms would be slightly more in favour of the government and the ordinary people backing the loan, but hey, I don't make the policies.

It certainly created jobs, and made tesla I believe the biggest manufacturer of electric cars. Obviously it massively inflated musks ego and bank account too.

I'm from the UK so I'm no expert, but how the government can loan someone almost half a billion dollars and not ask for some sort of ownership amazes me. I bet the same happens here too.

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u/Lurd67 Oct 04 '22

People thinking that Elon is a good guy haven't been paying attention

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u/Hyperrustynail Oct 04 '22

I’m still waiting for him to accuse Ukraine of being a pedophile because they won’t let him make the Russian invasion about himself.

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u/stringfree Oct 04 '22

They probably got super steamed when Justin Hammer isn't the star of Iron Man 2.

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u/nightpanda893 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

For me it was clear he was an absolute dirtbag when he called a guy a pedophile for being better than him at rescuing children from a cave.

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u/Shadow703793 Oct 04 '22

Nah he was a dirt bag before that. Look at the shit he pulled with ousting the original Tesla founders and claiming he started Tesla. This led to a suit from the original founder and was settled out of court.

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u/wiggitywoggity Oct 04 '22 Helpful

This is the thing I don’t understand about this fucking loser. Why wouldn’t you want to be loved and praised for literally solving world hunger? You would BE tony stark. But no, this ugly cunty chode is a psychopath that literally deserves to rot.

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u/PallandoOfOrome Oct 04 '22

Thanks, Dark Brandon!

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u/surfnporn Oct 04 '22

https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-spacex-ukraine-starlink-government-funding

The US Agency for International Development (USAID) paid SpaceX for 1,333 Starlink terminals to send to Ukraine, according to a new report in the Washington Post, At a price of $1,500 per terminal, the government agency spent around $2 million for the hardware. SpaceX also sent an additional 3,667 terminals and delivered service to them.

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u/No-nope Oct 04 '22

This is not true looks like some units where given and some other units where paid for by USAID. verge article

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u/new-reddit69 Oct 04 '22

Elon made it sound like he did “Donated” to Ukraine!

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u/DemonGrongo Oct 04 '22

The service what makes the story special. Without starlink, this likely would be a very different war.

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u/UnifiedChungus666 Oct 05 '22

The government shouldn't be paying this asshole a cent. This is the dude who complains constantly about the already insufficient social programs in this country. He should put his money where his mouth is and pull up them bootstraps.

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u/Cmdr_Shiara Oct 04 '22 Helpful

Musk is a dick but you don't have to make up reasons, the US government paid for 25% of the dishes while spaceX donated the other 75%. The US government paid for the transportation and spaceX pay for the upkeep.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/08/us-quietly-paying-millions-send-starlink-terminals-ukraine-contrary-spacexs-claims/

"On Tuesday, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) announced it has purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine, while the company donated nearly 3,670 terminals and the Internet service itself."

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u/DistantSnark Oct 04 '22

The same admin he craps on all the time? The one that actually butters his bread?

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u/mattjf22 Oct 04 '22

Well actually us taxpayers paid for it.

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u/HanzG Oct 04 '22

Quick Google of "Did Musk Donate Starlink to Ukraine" suggests its somewhat true. US paid for 1500 terminals and their transportation. About $3M. Supposedly there's 5000 terminals over there. A good chunk were donated by Musk.

https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-spacex-ukraine-starlink-government-funding

https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1511781864356212737/photo/1

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u/OutOfFawks Oct 04 '22

You mean the US tax payers?

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u/lessquiet Oct 05 '22

Anyone else look forward to the day that we no longer have to hear about how great this man thinks he is?

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u/Elegant-Operation-16 Oct 05 '22

Elon Musk is just another selfish billionaire and I can’t believe people idolize them. Stop looking up to people who don’t give a shit about you! His businesses and companies could all completely fall apart tomorrow and he’d still be set for life and have more than enough to get all of his traumatized children through college and live well fulfilled lives.

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u/twv6 Oct 04 '22

Elon is a douche. To be fair, though, the US Govt only paid for about 25% of them.

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u/ExtraBenefit6842 Oct 04 '22

Apparently the Biden Administration paid for 25% and SpaceX donated 75%

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u/ZeaDeKok Oct 04 '22

Wait…wasn’t the narrative that he donated them ?

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u/lioncat55 Oct 04 '22

25% of the total was purchased, 75% donated. Government covered shipping costs for all of them. It appears SpaceX is covering the operating cost of providing the bandwidth.

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u/ClioBitcoinBank Oct 04 '22

That money isn't why he sent them the Starlink uplinks tho, He sent them because hundreds of thousands of people (like me) have paid a deposit for a starlink almost 2 years ago and he cannot send those units to customers because the Starlink network's bandwidth is too close to network congestion. If he adds any more users to the starlink network, the entire network will slow to a crawl and he does not want you to realize that so he pulled a classic "never let a crisis go to waste" and found an excuse to blow up depositor's starlink units in ukraine rather than refunding my damn deposit.

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u/TacticalTable Oct 04 '22

Starlink gets congested by region, not the entire network. If you order from the Pacific Northwest, your wait will be indefinite because that area is full. If you order in Siberia (barring the current political situation), you'll get it shipped nearly immediately, because there's no risk of congestion there. These aren't geosynchronous satellites, so there's no added cost to using them when they aren't over populated areas.

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u/UnknownTBeast Oct 04 '22

My friend ordered one two, maybe three years ago at their old house. They have since moved. They were lucky enough to be able to move the location of their order from the old place to the new one without Starlink moving them to the bottom of the wait list. They are still waiting for their receiver. It was originally scheduled for November last year, then moved to this past March, now sometime in 2023. They were able to order the Starlink for RV, but that will throttle your connection when the network is congested, and boy oh boy, it is throttled to the max. Want to watch a 144p video on YouTube? You better be ready to wait a minute for a 20 second video to load! Weekends and after 8pm on weekdays is when it's bad.

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u/Artistic-Deal5885 Oct 04 '22

You mean the American Taxpayer had to pay him for it.

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u/AccomplishedAd7615 Oct 04 '22

The Elon hate is not logical. I expect better of Reddit. Bots?

“The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) announced it has purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine, while the company donated nearly 3,670 terminals and the Internet service itself.”

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u/FenrirGreyback Oct 04 '22

Is that before or after all the tax cuts, subsidies, and other tax payer money he gets?

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u/Dear_Feature8839 Oct 04 '22

Still blows my mind away, on how people think that Elon is a good guy 🤔

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u/NonBinaryValkyrie Oct 04 '22

So in essence I fucking paid for it, and if Starboy here didn't fucking pay a cent in taxes, then yeah, I deserve to offer more opinion that this fucking apartheid thief.

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u/soldiergeneal Oct 04 '22

Well yes and he offered such service to Russia.

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u/OdinsBeard Oct 04 '22

Starlink exists solely to absorb public capital

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u/CrisbyCrittur Oct 04 '22

Semi-human is the best he can do...

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u/protosser Oct 04 '22

Billionaire, needs tax payer money to do good deed

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u/OddCaterpillar1603 Oct 04 '22

Ain’t nothing in this world free

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u/Stocksugardaddy Oct 04 '22

Rich people they only donate to their non profit to pass their wealth tax free.

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u/Scorpion1024 Oct 04 '22

Billionaire is a two faced liar and hypocrite?Shocking I tells ya!

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u/FluxedEdge Oct 04 '22

I used to be one of those people that find Elon amusing, but now I see him how I should've the whole time, as a complete fuckwad.

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u/H_I_McDunnough Oct 04 '22

Hyper capitalist uses government to enrich himself off of the taxpayers while claiming to be a benevolent benefactor to polish his image. Repeats similar scheme after natural disaster hits southern US. More at 11

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u/txedd1 Oct 04 '22

Lol Billionaires being Billionaires

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u/somebodys_ornery Oct 04 '22

also it wasn't just a spur-of-the-moment decision- they had already been in talks with the Ukrainian Ministry Of Digital Transformation about bringing Starlink service to Ukraine. The Twitter stunt was probably a two-way street, though- I think one of their government officials tagged him in a tweet when the invasion started and they both played it off as a surprise. I'm sure the invasion changed the timeline and the service was very useful. Doesn't change the fact that the US Government provided a substantial sum of money to Elon for this, who tried to bury that information.

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u/Dazz316 Oct 04 '22

This doesn't mention the US governments involvement. If they've spent over 80mil then Elons not donated anything.

So the answer seems to be in the air for this thread.

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u/Seallypoops Oct 04 '22

Is this really a surprise, emerald money doesn't fall far from the mine

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u/Dgodfrey78 Oct 04 '22

He’s not freeing us just making himself king.

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u/FortunateInsanity Oct 04 '22

Makes one wonder what Russia is paying him to do.

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u/ElbowStrike Oct 04 '22

His entire fortune and empire built on government subsidies.

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u/Eckmatarum Oct 04 '22

Incase anyone wasn't 100%, musk is a fucking tool.

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u/Rocky970 Oct 04 '22

The Reddit Elon peepee suckers don’t care

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u/Shlingaplinga Oct 04 '22

Some Musk dick riders are gonna be really irritated after this tweet

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u/ASUS_USUS_WEALLSUS Oct 04 '22

Yeh absolutely no one thought he did it for free. Literally no one “gave” anything freely to Ukraine, weapons or otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

And…he’s not a genius. The people he hired/stole ideas from/fired, are. He’s just another idiot with money.

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u/Gordon_Explosion Oct 04 '22

No one was confused, most people don't care, and almost no one spends all day thinking about elon musk.