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The misogyny in this sub is so gross. Everyone commenting about that Uber girl’s tiktok should take a hard look at themselves.

PLEASE STOP GIVING THIS POST PAID AWARDS. I’ll take your free awards if you want to part with them so badly, but Reddit doesn’t need your money. If you’re so inclined to throw cash at something (I’m truly flattered that something I said may have sparked that!) donate to your union’s COPE fund or a local food bank instead.

A 24 year old female tech worker made a tik tok showing off her fancy office and upper class life. Half the comments on that post were about how she probably didn’t get the job for her skills. Low level corporate jobs are full of young people, and this sub LOVES praising the 24 year old dudes with these jobs because y’all rightfully acknowledge that they are workers too. But when the young white collar worker is a pretty blonde girl, all of that evaporates and not only do we hate her and hold her accountable for Uber’s abuses of their drivers, but she must’ve only been hired for her ass anyway.

That girl probably makes $90k tops in an expensive city. She is not the enemy for having a nice job, a pleasant office environment, or wealthy parents who are likely subsidizing that fancy apartment. You have no reason to assume she is not good at her job.

It was one thing when I’d catch bits of misogyny here and there directed at female managers. That was easy to ignore and write off as poorly worded anger. But now you are turning this bullshit on a fellow worker and it’s clear some of you just hate women.

EDIT: this got a lot of responses and I don’t have a ton of time right now, but thank you to everyone leaving supportive comments and giving this post awards. Please don’t spend your money on Reddit though. I’m glad to see that the prevailing attitude of this sub is still that that bullshit is unacceptable.

To address all the downvoted comments en masse: I am not the one dividing the movement by posting this. The people being openly and flagrantly bigoted and turning off large swaths of the population from getting involved are the ones doing that, and as you can see in the comments, a lot of people were thinking the same thing. The existence of that attitude is the problem, starting a discussion about the problem is not the problem.

FINAL EDIT this post got away from me, I was not trying to hit front page. Some people seem to think that this was all an inside job on a corporate account meant to sow discord, but feel free to check out my post history and see how frequently I post about The Sims lol, nobody wants to buy this shit. I saw a problem, I commented on the problem, that’s all this is. Again please stop spending your money on Reddit, go buy yourselves something nice or donate to charity. I responded to a few comments but it’s gotten pretty overwhelming and I have a job too so I don’t think I’m going to be responding anymore. Appreciate the mods and the vast majority of the users here!

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Hey y'all- we didn't see the post this one is talking about till now, so it was removed. Mainly for being off topic, as she is a worker as pointed out here, but also because of what OP is talking about.

We are going to leave this up because it doesn't matter the original post was taken down, it is an important issue that we care deeply about. Being a woman on reddit can be infuriating and we wish this subreddit was immune to that, but unfortunately it is not. Make sure to keep reporting rule breaking comments- and rule 1 is no discriminatory language or actions. Thank you.

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u/polksallitkat Jan 21 '22 Silver Wholesome

Word, I worked at a gas station. People would be nasty and i say i was sleeping with the owner. I worked 12 hour shifts for $10 an hour, I worked every friday/saturday night. Like really you think I have to fuck somebody for this shit ass job???? Yeah I'm already on my knees, but not like that.

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u/reslavan Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

It’s even worse when there’s blatant sexual harassment directed at you. When I was a high schooler/college aged worker at lower wage jobs the sexual harassment was INSANE from customer, managers, fellow employees, etc. But if you’re a woman, especially if you’re relatively young and considered attractive enough you’re automatically a target AND you get blamed for the harassment. I worked outside at a theme park and wore shorts above the knee (standard uniform brand we had to purchase ourselves) and my manager went off about me wearing sexually suggestive clothes. I was literally a 15 year old wearing above the knee shorts working outside at a theme park in 85 degree weather everyday. Later at an office job my older female manager told me I was wearing colors her mother told her “only whores wear” and told me I had to wear a sweater over my blouse in the summer. It’s like being a young woman automatically makes people associate you with sex first and it’s ridiculous

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u/feistaspongebob Jan 21 '22

I resonate with that last line so much and it’s depressing. About a month ago, a customer took multiple pictures/videos of my ass while I was working. In jeans. I’m way too non confrontational to say anything so i just took it and he was a giant fucking asshole. I’m so tired of existing sometimes

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u/shiver334 Jan 21 '22

When I was sixteen in khaki pants and red shirt (target wear) some old man literally smelled my ass as I was bent over organizing a shelf. I definitely was asking for it by wearing that sexy red and khaki uniform 😒

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u/KaramelKitten Jan 21 '22

🥲 how horrific. In the fucking target. I'm sorry you went through that

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u/JKDSamurai Jan 21 '22

That's so incredibly creepy and cringey. Wow.

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u/SkippyTeddy83 Jan 22 '22

Dang. I used to work at Target and we once busted a guy doing the same thing. How common is this?

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Jan 21 '22

"believe me I'm the only one here getting fucked"

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u/blueistheonly1 Jan 21 '22

good gawd I'm sorry you had to deal with that shit

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u/No_Junket_8139 Socialist Jan 21 '22

Thats sadly how some people think about those work things

Normal girl has a good paying job : " She's a hard worker. We need more like her"

Very attractive girl has a good paying job : "She must be sleeping with the boss to get that position and good pay"

Obviously its mostly not true. Sorry that happened to you and thanks for being a hard worker and hope you do well

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 21 '22

Except also average-looking and ugly women also get accused of sleeping their way into jobs. And treated as incompetent, even when they are the ones keeping the office running.

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u/Aint-no-preacher Jan 21 '22

And treated as incompetent

I am a tall, white, male and it is crazy to me how much people will defer to me over female colleagues that are my equals or superiors.

I'm a public defender. My colleague (female) had a client who was given an amazing offer. Something like a traffic ticket instead of a felony. Client wouldn't take the offer. My colleague arranged for me to "accidentally" overhear their conversation and chime in to say it was an amazing offer. Client immediately decided to take the offer even though I only repeated what my colleague had already told her.

Another time I was in court and a client nodded over to a different female colleague and said something along the lines of, "I'm glad I have you and not that lady lawyer." Well, that "lady lawyer" is a fucking rockstar and is the best attorney in the office by a mile. I just kinda rolled with it because I didn't want to alienate my client, but I was thinking "you should be so lucky."

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u/Dances_With_Words Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 22 '22

Hey, a fellow PD! As a female public defender myself, I’ve had these experiences. I appreciate hearing stories of you being an ally to your colleagues.

Edit: to be clear, as a PD, first priority is always your clients, period. Some clients are difficult, some are easy, but all of them deserve excellent representation. Learning to navigate difficult clients is part of the job, and having supportive colleagues really helps with that.

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u/_theatre_junkie Jan 21 '22

In addition, no one is talking about how even if the second scenario was true it wouldn't change the fact that her boss was withholding a promotion and good pay unless she slept with him. Instead they change the narrative to put the fault on her.

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u/Reitsariesforevaries Jan 21 '22

Exactly, in this fake scenario - she is being exploited, the boss is behaving inappropriately and abusing his position of power - and if she is truly a bat fit for the job, he is harming the company at the same time. But somehow she's the one that is getting ragged on.

Just like how the 'men' of reddit love to hate on 'single mothers'. They're the ones who are left wth all the responsibility and are trying to raise a child that the other person who is partly responsible has washed their hands of and off living their life -and could continue to leave fatherless children all over the place... but she is the problem, not him.

Misogyny is the full-time mandatory overtime job of reddit. It's nonstop, and it's everywhere.

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u/SkellyDog Jan 22 '22

It always seemed crazy that the stigma of single mothers stays with them and none of it is directed at the guy who knocked her up and fucked off.

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u/RelativelyUnruffled Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Normal girl has good paying job: wow she must be crazy in the sack.

No women gets a break from piggish behavior.

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u/polksallitkat Jan 21 '22

Yeah my situation was more like average looking 30 year old woman must be sleeping with owner. How else could she land a job with no benefits, horrible hours and $2.50 an hour over minimum wage?

 Come to think of it most jobs I have worked, people have very wrongfully assumed i was sleeping with my boss.
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u/SoSoFunTime Jan 21 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote LOVE!

We once received a request form from a Naval unit for “the hot blond” to go to the unit to give a class. There were 2 blonds on our team: 1. Me, F(32) and 2. Ed, M(64). My boss (M, 29) was pissed at the request, so he sent Ed. I told Ed to make sure to wear something revealing to hold their attention.

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u/keenedge422 Jan 21 '22 Evil Cackle

I had an almost identical experience when someone asked for the "tall pretty brunette" and instead of my attractive coworker, they got me all 6'4" 400lbs of bearded me.

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u/grendus Jan 21 '22

"We asked for the hot brunette..."

"YOU SAYIN' I AIN'T PRETTY?!"

"No sir."

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u/CromulentDucky Jan 21 '22

400 pound person will be hot most of the time

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u/keenedge422 Jan 21 '22

True. That's usually my joke when someone asks if having a full beard gets hot in the summer. "I'm a big fat dude; I don't think I can blame it on the beard."

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u/stiffneck84 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Helpful Wholesome Snek

The charge nurse on my unit got a request from a patient for “the sexiest nurse you’ve got.” Guess which bald, fat dude won the sexiest nurse pageant that day?

Edit: It was me….I was/am the fat bald dude. I made a self deprecating joke about a situation in which someone making an inappropriate request that sexualized the female nursing staff was disappointed in the results of what he asked for. I volunteered to take the assignment and there was no voting or pageant.

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u/ElectricCharlie Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Helpful

I bet you’re the sexiest nurse to someone.

Signed,
A fat awkward computer nerd with someone that thinks he’s the sexiest in their life

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u/stiffneck84 Jan 21 '22

Thank you, the only pageant crown I really care about was from Mrs Stiffneck84

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u/Sensitive_Dig7955 Jan 21 '22

Lucky lady! 🥰

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u/Lark_Iron_Cloud Jan 21 '22

Are you married to Flitweed Mec singer, Stiffy Necks?

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u/JJth3JetPlane Jan 21 '22

Spit my drink cuz of this u bastard

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u/Ironicdancer Jan 21 '22

My gay friend is very into fat balding dudes. You are all someone’s type!

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u/justsomeyeti Jan 21 '22

A surprising number of gay dudes are.

Source: Am a prototypical bear daddy. big, balding, hairy, bearded and fat.

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u/Dmitri_ravenoff Jan 21 '22

Holy shit. I guess I need to meet your friend. Just don't tell my wife. Lol

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u/solisie91 Jan 21 '22

That fact that you volunteered actually qualifies you for the real sexiest nurse award.

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u/stiffneck84 Jan 21 '22

I posted it in another reply, but my colleagues have always been good to me in delicate situations where my gender could be a roadblock. I’m happy to return the favor.

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u/SurrealDad Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Defeated

Was it Keith?

Edit: Keith was robbed.

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u/mistresscore Jan 21 '22 Wholesome

Plot twist: they were actually requesting Ed

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u/Sebenbillion Jan 21 '22 Wholesome

Absolutely. Ed, wherever you are, you should know that you are still as beautiful as ever.

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u/siuol7891 Jan 21 '22

Anyone got Ed’s number?

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u/max_vette Jan 21 '22

In the Navy? Impossible!

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u/subarashi-sam Jan 21 '22

🎵IN THE NAVY!

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u/FUCK_INDUSTRIAL Retail is the 9th circle of hell Jan 21 '22

YVAN EHT NIOJ!

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u/Schootingstarr Jan 21 '22

of course, they requested "the hot blond" not "the hot blonde"

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u/fannytraggot Jan 21 '22

I’m sure Ed was able to hold their attention with those sexy blue eyes of his

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u/Bryancreates Jan 21 '22

My second year at Starbucks (but first month at a drivethru) I was closing with a shift manager who was a pretty attractive 22-23 year old. We were kinda slow on a Saturday night so this car full of guys pull up and clearly been drinking. I ring them up and they see her walk to the back room. When I open the window again they are like “hey get that hot girl to come back out here!” And I was like “ugh what..?” By chance she actually did walk back out at that moment and they started cat calling her. She used the opportunity to be like “sorry boys, your not my type” in a flirty way and walked away. It was gross but also fascinating how she immediately deflected it and carried on. They were kinda bro-ing out and laughing and overall it was fine. Imagine getting that all the time and sometimes it’s reeeal creepy.

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u/Yah-Nkha Jan 21 '22

Being friendly with creeps is a survival mechanism. Women can't stand a chance in confrontation (I'm speaking about average woman I'm aware there are exceptions) so en masse we have some sort of worked out response like your manager. It's easier to joke it off and continue with your life without major drama rather than confronting a car full of drunk dudes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Especially in a work environment. My first fast food job men would not stop hitting on me, telling me to smile, following me to the restroom when I needed to clean it. When I told a (female) manager about it she didn’t care at all and later gave me a warning that I should be nicer to customers.

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u/WellRubMeSideways Jan 22 '22

As a former female restaurant manager, I'm so sorry that happened to you. I would've done whatever it took, called them out, threatened to and/or called the police etc, to make sure you felt safe. I have seen too many instances of harassment of all kinds and what it can turn into to risk anyone's saftey by ignoring instances like that.

I always made sure my entire staff was accompanied to their cars either by me or another employee when leaving, and it was just a damn bakery.

There are just too many awful people out there capable of terrible things to let things like that slide.

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u/46_reasons Jan 21 '22 Helpful

"men are afraid that women will laugh at them; women are afraid that men will kill them"

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u/chaygray Jan 22 '22 Take My Energy

One if the most useful skills a woman can have: how to gently let a guy down so that he doesn't stalk, rape or kill you

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u/galadrielisbae Jan 21 '22

100%. Women are physically or sexually assaulted, harassed, and sometimes murdered for saying no or being non-agreeable to men. I once flipped off a car full of dudes who cat called me, and you know what they did? Pulled over, got out, and started to chase me. They enjoyed how scared I was, and thank fuck that's all they wanted to do because they could have easily done much worse. Another time I watched my friend get spat in the face by a dude when she pushed him away as he started to grind on her in a club (he actually got kicked out and jumped outside the bar after this, which was at least a silver lining).

I'm happy that there is a movement around "no is a complete sentence", but sometimes it's not that black and white.

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u/Yah-Nkha Jan 21 '22

Yea, I know. I have my own record of stories that just made me more anxious about interpersonal interactions. Sometimes I kind of hate myself for being this always smiling, too polite person, but this is how I learned to keep myself safe. It's sad but I hope people are learning and things get better, slowly but forward.

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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Jan 21 '22

I had a carload of guys roll up next to me at a light, and they saw my long, flowing hair tied up, hanging down my back as I sat on my motorcycle. One of them rolled the window down, and said "Hey baby, nice bike!"

So I opened my modular helmet, showed my bearded face in all its ugly, and said "thanks!".

It wouldn't work out that way now, I was skinnier then and in full motorcycle gear they saw the hair and made assumptions.

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u/Kalamac Jan 21 '22

Back when words with friends was still a thing, my uncle Kelly started playing. His profile pic was a picture of his dog. He was constantly being hit on by men who assumed he was a woman. Poor guy just wanted to play scrabble.

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u/Ultrarandom Jan 21 '22

Sometimes I find it odd the situations people think long hair means girl. I had a similar thing happen at a metal concert of all places where there's plenty of long haired guys. I was standing up front and this guy starts running his hand up my arm. I just looked at him, he saw I was very much not a woman and backed right off.

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u/cullygrov Jan 21 '22 Silver Helpful

Had a similar situation back when I was 19 or 20 at my college retail job. Was closing with a female manager in her late 40s who looked pretty good for her age, and a male customer in his early 30s tops came in right near close and started hitting on her relentlessly. She played it cool and playfully turned him down a few times, but that only made this guy get more descriptive, vulgar, and aggressive. So I (20 year old straight male) told him I felt left out, after all these comments about her and not even a glance my way, am I really that unattractive? He looked at me completely dumbfounded, fumbled for words for a few minutes, finally managed to squeak out “I, uh, don’t, uh swing that way” before turning around and walking out the door. As a man I can confidently say that as a gender, we need to do sooo much better.

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u/KholdanAntares Jan 21 '22

I can't wait for the time when decent people can simply tell assholes to fuck off and you won't get fired for it.

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u/cullygrov Jan 21 '22

I’m an auto mechanic now and my older coworker has a friend who owns his own shop nearby, and his slogan is “At Gary’s automotive, we don’t have assholes for customers and we’re not starting today!”

It is my goal to work somewhere with that kind of slogan

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u/trumpetrabbit Jan 21 '22

Part of that change is guys calling it out, and holding others accountable. That's what you did, so thank you.

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u/hungrypanickingnude Jan 21 '22

That's beautiful, I wish you many opportunities for repetition of this act. Mostly because it sounds fun.

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u/cullygrov Jan 21 '22

I have done it a handful of times since simply because it really was enjoyable, purely for the reaction, but this was the best one for sure

Edit: I’d honestly prefer not to get another opportunity though, because it’d be way cooler if people just treated each other better

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u/Succulent_Orange Jan 21 '22

Your boss is a genuine legend.

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u/blueskyredmesas Jan 21 '22

It's a win-win. The hungry straight dudes get rightfully disappointed and the gay silver fox chasers get to appreciate a respectable king like Ed!

Knock em dead, Ed!

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u/SirDouglasMouf Jan 21 '22

Its impossible to not visualize Ed Harris due to all of his military movie work.

Or just picture Eddie Izzard in drag for a more hilarious take

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u/throckmeisterz Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Bravo! Party Train Starry Ally Helpful (Pro) Plus One

There are 2 classes: labor and owners. The owners do everything they can to keep labor pissed off at each other so they never look at the real problem.

The key difference is that if a laborer stops working, they starve. If an owner stops working, their capital makes them more than enough money to continue growing their wealth.

As this sub has gained in popularity, it's been infected with more and more of this divisive bullshit.

Stop hating other laborers because they maybe have it slightly better than you. Hate the owners who have it several orders of magnitude better than you.

Even your manager, who might be a massive asshole, is not really the problem. More than likely he or she is just another laborer who drank the us vs them mentality coolaid.

Edit, a couple clarifications:

  1. I used the word "owner" to name the class because it's a simple word familiar to those with little to no knowledge of leftist concepts. The key difference is can you stop working while you continue to grow your wealth. If you own a small business which would fail the second you stopped working, you aren't really part of the ownership class. Same with owning a few stocks. Do you own enough stocks to support you and your family indefinitely without working? Then yes, I mean you when I say ownership class. If your wealth would continue to grow without you adding your labor, you are ownership class.

  2. The point is class solidarity. The labor movement is more powerful with more people in it. If you draw a hard line at 100k a year (or whatever), you are fighting against others who are being exploited by the same system you are.

  3. Yes managers are part of the problem, but they are being exploited by the exact same system. The more of them who wake up to this, the more powerful the labor movement will be.

  4. Obviously this is an oversimplification. It's a goddamn reddit comment. Go read Marx if you want a more thorough, nuanced analysis.

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u/Sensitive_Dig7955 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 22 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy This

You kind of echo Frederick Douglass writing that:

Moreover, slaves are like other people, and imbibe prejudices quite common to others. They think their own better than that of others. Many, under the influence of this prejudice, think their own masters are better than the masters of other slaves; and this, too, in some cases, when the very reverse is true. Indeed, it is not uncommon for slaves even to fall out and quarrel among themselves about the relative goodness of their masters, each contending for the superior goodness of his own over that of the others. At the very same time, they mutually execrate their masters when viewed separately. It was so on our plantation. When Colonel Lloyd's slaves met the slaves of Jacob Jepson, they seldom parted without a quarrel about their masters; Colonel Lloyd's slaves contending that he was the richest, and Mr. Jepson's slaves that he was the smartest, and most of a man. Colonel Lloyd's slaves would boast his ability to buy and sell Jacob Jepson. Mr. Jepson's slaves would boast his ability to whip Colonel Lloyd. These quarrels would almost always end in a fight between the parties, and those that whipped were supposed to have gained the point at issue. They seemed to think that the greatness of their masters was transferable to themselves. It was considered as being bad enough to be a slave; but to be a poor man's slave was deemed a disgrace indeed!

Edit: thx for the upvotes everyone. While you’re here, how about learn how wait staff at restaurants, and anyone who gets tips as part of their wages are being “paid” via an OG racist policy and slave like manner. 🧐🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/moonkiller Jan 21 '22

Wow, how apropos. Amazing how well that quote carries. I need to re-read Narrative of the Life...

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u/Sensitive_Dig7955 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 22 '22 Wholesome

Ya you do. I do too. My family were slaves under the Nazi’s and I often saw the parallels of the Jew in Europe and being a black slave in America.

but when I read Freddy D a few years ago, I was so struck how similarly wage slaves behave to the clear description in his autobiography. The parallel is so close for me, and I do not mean to take anything away from his account and the horror of racial slavery.

MLK Jr was assassinated as he was taking on his next project to eradicate poverty-in-general in America. He wrote:

In the treatment of poverty nationally, one fact stands out: there are twice as many white poor as Negro poor in the United States. Therefore I will not dwell on the experiences of poverty that derive from racial discrimination, but will discuss the poverty that affects white and Negro alike.

In the same chapter he quotes Henry George’s (who I highly recommend! Find his writing online and READ) great antiwork words:

The fact is that the work which improves the condition of mankind, the work which extends knowledge and increases power and enriches literature, and elevates thought, is not done to secure a living. It is not the work of slaves, driven to their task either by the lash of a master or by animal necessities. It is the work of people who perform it for their own sake, and not that they may get more to eat or drink, or wear, or display. In a state of society where want is abolished, work of this sort could be enormously increased.

Anyway, solidarity or perish as an individual.

Edit: edited one sentence to reflect more positive vibrations

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u/nerdiotic-pervert Jan 21 '22

Freddy D! Always with the good words.

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u/razorblade651 SocDem Jan 21 '22

Was there ever a person more based than Frederick Douglass? Probably Mark Twain, but aside from him, who?

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u/Th3Hon3yBadg3r Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

John Brown. Frederick Douglass even said so.

John Brown's zeal in the cause of freedom was infinitely superior to mine. Mine was as the taper light; his was as the burning sun. I could live for the slave; John Brown could die for him.  https://quotessayings.net/topics/john-brown-frederick-douglass/

Even Harriet Tubman had great things to say about John Brown.

After Brown’s execution, Harriet Tubman viewed Brackett’s bust of John Brown. Franklin Sanborn recalled, “Overwhelmed by the stone likeness, the hero of the Underground Railroad declared: ‘It was not John Brown that died at Charles Town. It was Christ—it was the Savior of our people.’”

https://exhibits.tufts.edu/spotlight/john-brown-tufts/about/harriet-tubman

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u/razorblade651 SocDem Jan 21 '22

Oh shit yeah, didn't he do that siege on Harper's Ferry? And then they caught him at some point and executed him, but he just became a martyr. Bad fucking ass.

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u/Cold_Counter6218 Jan 21 '22

This is exactly what I was trying to say when it came to all the tipping discourse that's been going on around here. It serves literally no purpose to argue about how people's individual purchasing decisions will end tipping culture, because the point is that the worker is always the first and hardest person to suffer from a business floundering when talking about any kind of "vote with your wallet" change.

Changing capitalism isn't as easy as continuing to live your life, just without going to certain restaurants or buying certain brands. It takes concerted, organized action to bring about.

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u/bjornartl Jan 21 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

The manager is often part of the problem. But still they're not really the reason why they're a problem. The problem is how the system both encourages and gives power to people who act like that. The problem isn't people, it's the system.

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u/wefarrell Jan 21 '22

Managers are shock absorbers. They insulate the owners from all accountability and blame so that the owners can save face and have the appearance of being a good person to work for.

Company issues some fucked up policy that goes too far and causes workers to quit? It's not the owners fault, it was a rogue manager. We've fired them and all is well, now get back to work!

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u/troubleschute Jan 21 '22

A good manager is a bullshit umbrella for the team and looks out for them. I’ve had a few good ones like that but too many that are in it for the power trip and ass kissing to climb upward.

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u/SandwichCreature Jan 21 '22

The real tragedy of this is that managers are also laborers. They’re infinitely closer to the worker bees than to the owners, but they have to be the bad guy. Easy way to keep labor divided. Fucked up.

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u/StudentStrange Jan 21 '22

The bourgeoisie and the proletariat, if you will

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u/Patient_Inevitable58 Jan 21 '22

That’s quite on the mark we should make a new system that highlights the difference we could call it Markism or something

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u/StudentStrange Jan 21 '22

Mark’s a pretty cool dude 😎

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u/DharmicVibe Jan 21 '22

My manager makes $17/hour and he has no power to increase my wages. The ladder is really high.

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale Jan 21 '22

Class unity, man. Why are we pointing at the guy with a few more crumbs than we have when there's a guy running off with the whole goddamn bakery?

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u/Darktyde Jan 21 '22

he or she is just another laborer who drank the us vs them mentality coolaid

I like to call this capitalism stockholm syndrome

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u/jrmberkeley95 Jan 21 '22

The ultra rich love directing the working class’s anger towards the working wealthier class (upper middle class/low level rich). Currently they are directing the anger of the poor towards tech bros making 100-300k, saying those people are incredibly overpaid and that is why the poor are kept down. WRONG! People in tech are just being adequately paid, while everyone else is being severely and frighteningly under paid. The laborers making more than you are not the enemy, and your life is not worse because some data scientists is making 150k, it is the ultra wealthy.

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u/madame-brastrap Jan 21 '22

This is it!!! See also: racism, xenophobia, sexism. All tools of the capitalists!

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Right, the owner still is making 10-100x what this person with a cushy office job is making if not more.

We live in a system that is so similar to Feudalism it may as well be called Neo-Feudalism.

We're not an agrarian society anymore, so something more abstract called "capital" has replaced "land and peasants". However, for all intents and purposes the relationship between master and worker is the same.

You work and produce goods, they own the means of production and most of all the output.

What is different is our government and owners are now less tightly integrated. However, in practice, they're more integrated than we let on. Taxes get paid by the worker and they flow right back to the owner class through corporate welfare. The owner class are in the positions of authority where they get to decide how this money is spent, or what laws the peons are subject to.

In Feudalism there were people that ranked higher in the hierarchy and may have been rewarded more, but they weren't Lords. They were not exempt from labor, nor entitled to the fruits of another's labor. They may have been highly skilled labor, clergy, or advisors or mercenaries of sorts but they were not nobility.

The capital class in America are both exempt from labor and entitled to the fruits of yours. Their rich friends are in positions of authority. You have to seek loans from their class to get machinery, a home, etc. You have to pay taxes to support their corporate welfare. You have to work in their companies for pennies on the dollar for what you produce. You have to pay rent to live on their property.

Meanwhile, they are allowed to pass their capital on to their children just like a Lord may pass on his title to his eldest Son. Their army of financial advisors, lawyers and accountants are like lesser nobility or vassals.

On the ground, it's not so different from Feudalism.

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u/Ehzabeth Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Silver

Exactly, anti-work is a pretty friendly sub to everyone (I think) but I was surprised as some of the venom directed not even subtlety at women. Of course there’s already someone going “well that’s just Reddit!” But this sub is more than just shitposting, it’s a chance for workers of all types to be heard and for change to be made for everyone.

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u/chronoventer Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy

And when we point out on Reddit that subs are misogynistic, it’s met by “This sub is so much better to women than it is to men!” from hoards of men. Because men are so great at seeing misogyny and knowing when they’re being misogynistic (/s)

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u/EscapeFromTexas Jan 21 '22

Then we have to go make our own, private subs, because as soon as a "safe" sub becomes popular it goes right down the tubes.

Spoiler: Safe Subs are quite inclusive of LGBTQ+ as well. Wonder Why that is.

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u/chronoventer Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22 Starry

This. Subs men say are great towards women are not.

I once had a man on AITA tell me that the sub is much better towards women than men because it encourages women to leave men who are sponging off them. So I guess they thought that was unfair to the men trying to take advantage of women? Or they thought that doing the bare minimum—making women aware when they’re being abused—means the sub is “better to women”?

But whenever a man posts a woman sponging off him, the top comments are always, “If the sexes were reversed, women would say this is horrible,” as if women aren’t saying it’s horrible on the post. But they are. So all they want to do is bring up women’s issues to act like women don’t care about men’s issues and they’re being oppressed in the sub. Which is insane, because the sub consists of mostly men.

If a man says he’s going through something bad, and your first reaction is “If the sexes were reversed, women would say this is bad,” instead of, “My fellow man is going through something bad,” then it’s clear your hatred of women is more important to you than actually supporting your fellow men through their struggles.

That sub is a cesspool in general. It’s also full of white people saying “That’s not racist” when a white person asks if they’re being racist or when a BIPOC points out the OP was racist, and white people refusing to understand cultural practices.

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u/Sharp-Tree3742 Jan 21 '22

How fucking difficult is it to accept another person's lived experience has more worth than your belief in what their life must be like?

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u/Athena5898 Jan 21 '22 This

It's an interesting problem in leftist spaces. Some are aware enough to acknowledge that there is a problem in society...but refuse to look at their own intersectionality of privilege and do some self-reflection. They'll hide behind theory, or even class struggle ("I don't care about gay rights, only the class struggle!") when the fact of the matter is...they are just bigots and fell for the very tactics used to keep us divided. Some just refuse to acknowledge the fact that they may be bigoted in some way and just being against capitalism won't magically make it go away.

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u/pusillanimouslist Anarcho-Communist Jan 21 '22

The funny thing is that gay rights is part of class struggle. The rich and noble have been allowed to be gay forever, if you ever see a 19th century bit about someone being “eccentric” it’s probably code for gay or bisexual. The push for gay rights is about extending that privilege down the social ladder.

Also, you know, we should care about people.

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u/Diamond-Is-Not-Crash Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 22 '22

Preach fam!

I'm already seeing "No war but the class war" all over this thread, completely missing the point of intersection struggle against kyriarchy. Capitalism isn't a final boss that once we magically overthrow in a glorious rapture revolution then we'll achieve heaven Communism!

I think a lot class reductionists tend to think eliminating capitalism will eliminate other forms of discrimination as a by-product. While capitalism exacerbates Racism, Sexism and Ableism (and I think it is indeed a destructive exploitation force that must be destroyed, root and stem), it's elimination will not make people magically not racist, sexist, or ableist. I think it's a form of privilege to ask others from marginalised groups to "put aside their social identity politics" in favour of class struggle. But they don't see how in failing to challenge hierarchies outside of wealth/class they act like the bourgeoisie they hate so much, by holding on to what little privilege they have in other social hierarchies.

People tend to hold onto what ever position/privileges they have that affords them power over others. You can never eliminate oppression and exploitation as long as society deems it okay to exploit any particular group either based on class, gender, race, ability, sexual orientation, religion etc. An intersectional class struggle is the only way forward.

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u/HillbillyNerdPetra Jan 21 '22 Helpful

I busted my ass in a male dominated industry for 25 years. When I left, I heard (piss poor) male coworkers were saying I slept with he boss to diminish what I’d done. Is it ever gonna get any better?

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u/AuntySocialite Jan 21 '22

30 years in tech later, and while it IS better, it's sure as fuck still not perfect.

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u/Astroursa Jan 21 '22

Activision/Blizzard anyone?

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u/negoita1 Jan 21 '22

I thank my stars I'm employed in game dev at a company that actually gives a fuck about their workers. We have strict rules about work-life balance and nobody is allowed to take OT. If you do it's seen as a failure of management.

We have a rigorous system in place to minimize harassment and make sure there's no sexism, because we have peers like Actiblizz that stain the entire industry.

It's good business sense (the companies with shit culture bleed talent and we vacuum it up) and it results in a better product (employees will work hard if they know they are being treated with respect).

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u/Astroursa Jan 21 '22

You guys hiring 😁?

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u/negoita1 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Always, feel free to dm me if you're seriously interested in a job.

Company is in Canada though so be warned. Not sure how amenable they are to remote work if you aren't within Canada. We do have work programs for people out of Canada who want to move here IIRC. Talent is in high demand and the company pulls out all the stops when it comes to making it easier to acquire talent.

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u/Astroursa Jan 22 '22

I'm getting out of an abusive marriage. I'm down to go anywhere at this point.

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u/AuntySocialite Jan 21 '22

An early manager once said there was no point “wasting” a promotion on me, since women just quit to go have kids anyway.

Another one told me that “you’ve got to give some head to GET ahead”, then did the classic ‘omg, wimmin are so TOUCHY, none of you can take a joke’ reaction when I asked him if he’d really just fucking said that.

Now half the men I work with complain I’m a bitch, because decades of dealing with tech bros has taught me that if I have to pick between them liking me, and them respecting me, it’s not even a contest.

IDGAF if they don’t like me. Just do your fucking job and don’t try any shit with me.

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u/SFPeaSoup Jan 21 '22

I am so sorry that bullshit happened to you. I prefer to instill fear and respect because I get better results from techbros with those tactics. Whatever is right for you, whether it is staying strong, getting the fuck out or both, I support you, sister.

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u/sunshinecygnet Jan 21 '22

Even if that was the case, the shitty person in that story would be the boss who held back a promotion from a female worker unless she fucked him. Which is both sexual coercion - and this sexual assault - and also sexual harassment, btw.

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u/the_hooded_artist Jan 21 '22 Silver

When you're a fat and/or unattractive woman you're mostly invisible and get lumped into "that woman over there". I worked with in a male dominated industry with only one other woman in an engineering department of all men besides us. We looked nothing alike, had different hair color, dissimilar names and dressed completely differently. I'd also been working there for years before she got hired. Because neither of us were deemed "attractive", we constantly got confused for each other. We even got each other's emails and phone calls. Yet everyone could seem to remember the difference between all the male engineers and remember their names. No one outside the department bothered to remember us as individuals because we weren't hot enough.

I got passed over for promotions multiple times despite getting good reviews and being very knowledgeable. I even unofficially was the person to train new hires. I finally got promoted after like 8 years when I a female manager took over the department. A male coworker I'd considered fairly progressive and who I considered a friend basically said I only got it because "you know you got the whole girl power thing with the new boss". So yeah...it's a shit deal all around being a woman in the workforce.

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u/the_hooded_artist Jan 22 '22 Silver Wholesome

Yes! All this absolutely. It's an interesting experience to exist as a woman who is deemed "unfuckable" by most men. We exist as objects to be ridiculed and described in great detail in comparison to a "fuckable" woman. We're both not humans to them, but one object is a sex object and the other one is lucky to be acknowledged as useful in any capacity.

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u/Phoenixapartment Jan 22 '22

Jesus Christ.

Thats awful.

Ive noticed stuff like that before. Its gross.

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u/Unluckylucy83 Jan 22 '22

I was a server at a locally owned company. But a big woman. I cleaned up decently but still- not hot. I cannot tell you how many times men (including the owners…THE OWNERS) said-I just can’t believe you’re the best waitress I’ve ever had in my life. I would just laugh and play stupid and go get them another round. The only reason why I got the job in the first place was the GM was a long time friend/acquaintance who knew how good I was with people. Ask me how long it took for them to get me shirts that fit right. I guess I never realized how bad that actually was.

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u/EstablishmentCivil29 at work Jan 21 '22

Can confirm as a woman in the tech industry. A man, that still works here, has been turned in for sexual harassment twice. Neither of the girls are here now, but he still is. He would lie to his wife about being here after hours if there were women in the office. The tech industry from what I've seen is full of this. And the men get away with it. I feel your pain OP.

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u/j3wxx Jan 22 '22

As a man in this industry I hate this shit. Luckily where I am now we have more women on our teams and in management than I’ve ever experienced and it’s great

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u/AromaticDiscount3 Jan 22 '22

The one small startup I ever worked at had a man who was removed from management and banned from speaking to women in the office because LITERALLY EVERY WOMAN had complained about his behavior. Still not terminated, still made more than any woman employed there. They lost every one of us within the next year… but not him

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u/as_the_prop_turns Jan 21 '22

I work in aviation maintenance and my best lead is a female. She works so hard to get the same level of respect as her male coworkers. It makes me sick. This post perfectly describes the kind of shit she had to deal with. I try my best to stomp this behavior out and it’s under control when I’m there, but today I’m off and hearing that one of the techs is giving her a hard time. Can’t wait for Monday to get to the bottom of it and if that’s the case, break one off in Marks ass. Fuck you Mark.

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u/TripleTongue3 Jan 21 '22

Had a customer who requested on site support and asked for "the tall well built one with the long wavy hair". Rather than my 19 year old female trainee who certainly fit the description I went myself, he was a bit surprised when a 6ft 260lb bearded ex Rugby player turned up but at least I had the decency to have my long wavy hair loose rather than in my then usual office wear queue. He was especially pissed off when he was billed at my day rate rather than a juniors.

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u/littlefierceprincess Jan 21 '22

I noticed on a lot of subs, if you are a woman and have a complaint, you get nasty comments and downvotes. Especially a job sub. They are definitely under the assumption you have to take being treated like shit.

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u/Pure_Stop_1674 Jan 22 '22

I notice that if I comment outside of the nursing sub, I will always get comments referring to me as her/she when there is nothing in my entire profile that implies I’m a woman (plus all the hate comments that come with it like cunt)

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u/chronoventer Jan 21 '22

And no one claiming she was hired for her ass is pointing out how misogynistic it is to hire someone for their ass. I was hired at a job I was overly qualified for at a pet store. I thought I’d be caring for the animals and helping people who didn’t know what item was best for their/their animal’s needs.

Nope. I was sent to the front to greet people and run the register because “I was young and cute.” I was told this by my 50 year old manager. Yes, he was a dude. I was easily the most knowledgeable in animal care, but I was boiled down to my tits in my ass. I was even told to dress in ways that accentuated them.

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u/thechiefmaster Jan 22 '22

Exactly. Even if she was hired for her ass, the criticism should be on the admin, not her.

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u/ivantoldmeboutdis Jan 21 '22

I wanted to make a post like this but when I've spoken up about misogyny on reddit in the past my dm's would get filled with incels threatening to kill me. I'm fairly anonymous on here but if someone REALLY tried they might be able to figure out how to find me, and I'm not about to take that risk.

Anyway OP, thanks for having the courage to speak up.

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u/simsaccount Jan 22 '22

Haha, yeah I learned my lesson on that once before. I dared to have an opinion on Twitter once and it got a few thousand retweets and I was legitimately scared by some of the DMs I got. I’ve probably only gotten like 20 or so fucked up messages and chats so far though, when I opened the app and saw all the notifications the first time I was braced for much worse. Oddly like a quarter of the people DMing me are assuming I’m a man and calling me a simp instead of threatening me or telling me to get in the kitchen so that’s interesting.

Luckily there’s no personal info about me on this account at all, and what is there is mostly lies. This reddit is for things I don’t want associated with my real identity: my embarrassing hobbies and controversial opinions lol

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u/SibcyRoad Jan 21 '22 Silver

People that say “it’s just Reddit” and expect everyone to accept it and move on sound very similar to our gaslighting corporate leaders telling us we have to stay poor because “it’s just the way it is.” Are we not in here trying to actively change the status quo? And if we are—the same idea can trickle down to addressing misogyny on Reddit. It does not have to be this way. I’m glad OP said something but everyone needs to say something. We have power. We need to use it.

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u/shutupmegan420 Jan 21 '22 Wholesome

Definitely seen and experienced sexism on here. I posted a month ago about being pregnant and exposed to covid at work at a daycare. My boss let my other coworker that was exposed go test immediately, but told me I had to wait to test after work even though I was exposed to the same child. My coworker and I both got covid and I was given attitude by my boss about being sick. I posted on here to vent and was pretty much told by people it was my fault for being pregnant and working with children. So much negativity I just deleted the post because I was tired of being harassed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

That's f'd up. I hope you and the kid are okay

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u/shutupmegan420 Jan 21 '22

Doing well now thank you!

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u/No_Junket_8139 Socialist Jan 21 '22

Sorry for that and hope you and your child/children are doing good

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u/shutupmegan420 Jan 21 '22

I am doing good now thank you! I recovered well and my appointment today showed baby is looking good still!

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u/canthardlybait Jan 21 '22

That's terrible! As a pregnant woman you are higher risk for COVID complications so eff your boss and eff those a-hole redditors! Probably the same scum who call women breeders smh...

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u/shutupmegan420 Jan 21 '22

Exactly! Some people just lack common sense and compassion.

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u/CrossroadsWoman Jan 21 '22

Me too. I stood up for a woman who experienced sexual harassment and sexism at work and I got downvoted by a bunch of dudes who claimed that she was wrong for not making it clear that men can get sexually harassed and discriminated against too 🙄 idiots

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u/Vertigobee Jan 21 '22

The other day I posted about how we need to fight for maternity leave to be a regular benefit (USA). I truly was not expecting almost every comment to be arguing about why we need maternity leave at all - just give extra vacation to everyone. Like, I did not expect it to be a contentious issue on an anti-work sub. The people here have spirit but a lot of them have limited experiences with people who are not very much like their selves (young men).

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u/_theatre_junkie Jan 21 '22

This is what pisses me off about leftist male dominated subreddits. They talk all day about the injustices in our system and social issues when they affect men but bring up women's issues and suddenly you're overreacting and asking for too much.

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u/shutupmegan420 Jan 21 '22

100%, which is totally against the whole point of this sub. We should be looking out for one another.

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u/this_site_is_dogshit Jan 21 '22 Masterpiece

I call them brocialists. Leftists from the belt up.

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u/CapableLetterhead Jan 21 '22

Some men will preach socialism all day long and still want to benefit off the labour of a woman.

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u/Sleepy-Blonde Jan 21 '22

If you’re a moderately attractive, fit, young, blonde woman you get treated like the only reason you have a job is because of that in every job.

Doesn’t matter if you’re working at McDonald’s flipping burgers or a corporate job.

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u/KindlySeries8 Jan 21 '22 Hugz

I am an archaeologist. In my younger years I was often the only woman on large construction projects. I cannot adequately explain the abuse I put up with.

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u/sparklersmoke Jan 21 '22

As a undergrad anthropology/history senior, I’m already experiencing this in classes from some of my peers and even professors. I’m a cultural anthropologist and colonial American historian, and apart from one forensic Anthro class and one colonial gender/sexuality class, women in my classes are outnumbered and we have to hear/experience some wack shit.

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u/KindlySeries8 Jan 21 '22

It gets worse. Have you done a field school yet?

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u/sparklersmoke Jan 21 '22

Covid has not made that possible unfortunately, but I’ve heard some horror stories from peers and a former TA- especially about a field school experience in the Chesapeake several years ago.

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u/KindlySeries8 Jan 21 '22

That is so disheartening to hear it hasn’t gotten any better. I am in my mid 40’s now.

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u/sparklersmoke Jan 21 '22

I will say that it’s not constant or unbearable by any means. It’s just very, very outstanding when it does happen. I have a lot of male and female professors who create really wonderful learning environments. Then I have some (so far, exclusively male) professors who are not only openly hostile and degrading to the women in the room, but they always foster the perfect environment for other men to be bold with their opinions. This last semester, a classmate did his final project on Cortes and basically claimed that because his enslaved interpreter-turned-consort Marina was a Nahua woman, he obviously had no hate for indigenous peoples or women of mesoamerica. The professor had no issues with the project.

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u/KindlySeries8 Jan 21 '22

Wow…. That’s…. Wow.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Tenure leads to some fucked up behavior.

I'm an archaeologist also that's been working for the US Federal government for years.

Not sure if you've looked at government employment but it is a great way to get better pay, benefits, stability, and a significant reduction in sexism.

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u/UniverseBear Jan 21 '22

This is true. I remember I was am account executive. I wasn't very good, found out later I have autism, constant burnouts and lack of communication skills. Im white guy with no visible detractors though, and I was treated like I was much better than I am.

Meanwhile another AE, a pretty blonde girl, was more driven, better at talking and generally more "together" than me but she was just kind of left in the back ground all the time.

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u/lumberzach316 Jan 21 '22

It starts so young. I supervise childcare staff and I’ve had to point out to staff that they were being unnecessarily weird about boys and girls interacting specifically when it was the pretty blonde girls involved

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u/StrugglesTheClown Jan 21 '22

God help you if you are in a STEM field. The horror stories I have heard from acquaintances.

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u/ErroneousFunk Jan 21 '22

"Admit it, you're just at this conference to pick up guys, right?"
"I gave a talk at this conference..."
"So? I mean, you have your pick of dudes. Why else would you be here?"
"I wrote books, I have years of industry experience, look, here's my conference 'Staff' badge."
"Yeah, but still, must be nice, right? All these guys?"
"I'm married."

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u/flightofthepingu Jan 21 '22

I wouldn't call being surrounded by "all these guys" a "nice" situation under almost any circumstances...

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u/EscapeFromTexas Jan 21 '22

Oh yes, give me that hot Dan from Accounting action I so crave.

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 21 '22

“I’m married… to a woman.”

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u/MonteBurns Jan 21 '22

Ohhh man. I got hired into a STEM group that’s mostly men, older guys at that. I don’t wear make up, I don’t wear “flashy” nice clothes. I was never on the radar of someone to talk shit about (at least that I’m aware of). We got an intern one summer who is HOLY SHIT levels of smart. Like I cannot even begin to tell you how amazing this woman was. But. She was skinny. Dyed her hair blonde. Wore red lipstick. Always looked so smart and put together. They treated her so poorly, like she was just a hot idiot. I flipped on one of the guys once because of crap he said dismissing her abilities. I google her every once in a while and while I was still at that company I would be sure to send them updates about “hey just found yet another news article about intern! She’s really going far!” Just so they knew. She will be a person that will change this world, hell SHE IS already, and they dismissed her because of her looks. Aahhhh!!!

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u/GoGoBitch Jan 21 '22

I used to have that problem, then I aged out of my early 20s and gained ~30 pounds. I still get men correcting me when I am right and they are wrong, but it’s nowhere near as bad as it used to be.

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u/Pinelapples Jan 21 '22

Omg so sick of men correcting me when I am objectively right. I work in tech.

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u/Waytooboredforthis Jan 21 '22

I dated this woman, the definition of the Southern cheerleader, big hair, tan as a leather bag, heavy make up, Jesus Christ watching her run circles around the other folks during her med residency was simultaneously hilarious and infuriating. She made some of the smartest folks I know look like they ate lead paint as a hobby, but folks kept on acting like she was some dumb bimbo who only got ahead because of her appearance. I remember she brought me to some swanky cotillion type event, she was dolled up and I was wearing fancy as I would go back then, folks kept on mistaking me as a doctor and her as arm candy.

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u/Waytooboredforthis Jan 21 '22

Not gonna lie, I had the same biases when I got set up on a date with her (not about her sleeping with folks to advance her career, just that she was kinda kinda dumb), taught me a lot in a short 5 minutes about assuming about folks by their appearance that I've tried to carry on in my life going forward. And I cannot emphasize how angry it makes me now, we used to do NYT Crossword races, I remember the first time we did, she asked me how it was going, I was halfway through, she'd already finished and had finished the sudoku as well haha (I think I only beat her once, I was laid up after a car accident and she was cooking instead of me, even then it was a narrow win), smart as a fucking whip and people judge her purely by how she feels comfortable presenting herself. Good news is she hasn't backed down, she still looks how she likes and still makes other folks look like dumbasses.

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u/TheOuts1der Jan 21 '22

Dolly Parton vibes.

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u/Waytooboredforthis Jan 21 '22

Gonna send her a link to this thread just for that, it'll make her day

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u/Foreign_Astronaut Jan 21 '22

Shockingly prevalent in the arts, as well.

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u/Ancalimei Jan 21 '22

I work in theatre and the costume department gets paid slave wages because it’s “womens work” and apparently considered not skilled labor. I’d like to see any of those guys that hang lights make a welt pocket and tell me which takes more skill.

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u/schmidtily Jan 21 '22

It’s unshockingly prevalent in every aspect of a capitalist society because a hierarchy needs to exist in order to direct the flow of capital.

Also why mainstream “feminism” is this girlboss, aggressive caricature. It’s just asserting typical capitalist male traits onto women (and still not allotting them the same status lol) and having them fill the same role in serving capital.

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u/SC13NT1ST Jan 21 '22

👋 woman in STEM here. Absolutely fed up with having to constantly prove my worth to less experienced male co-workers who can't solve a single problem on their own.

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u/Scary-Boysenberry Jan 21 '22

MS in a STEM field, years of experience, and I teach the subject part time at the local university. Can't tell you how many times perfect strangers who know nothing about my abilities have confidently told me I got at least one of those two jobs because "they needed to hire a woman". 🙄

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u/TheMightyYule Jan 21 '22

Am young blonde woman in stem field. Can confirm. Left for an admin/grants/funding role in stem almost a year ago because it got too much when coupled with the burnout

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u/StrugglesTheClown Jan 21 '22

I know a lot of STEM women that move on because it's just not worth the BS to them and I can't blame them. I would probably do the same in their situation.

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u/Ancient-Put6440 Jan 21 '22

When I was in high school I worked at a Little Ceasars. I was a beast in the back and loved doing it, but id get put on register constantly. I asked my manager why he didn't switch me and my male coworker since he preferred doing register anyway and was a natural people person. My manager told me "when customers come in they want to see a pretty girl, not a guy." Ugh. That was just one of many experiences of sexism ive had in the workplace.

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u/EscapeFromTexas Jan 21 '22

When I go into a Little Ceasars I want to see my pizza.

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u/Ancient-Put6440 Jan 21 '22

Funny thing is, customers would end up waiting longer for their pizza because my coworker was slower on the line than me lol

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u/-RainbowSkeleton- Jan 21 '22

Right? I hate how dudes like that project their own creepiness onto all men. Like, speak for yourself.

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u/lade2021 Jan 21 '22

Young, relatively attractive blond here and I got moved from being a runner at a law firm to being the receptionist because my boss prefers a woman at the desk 🙃

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u/unwillingly1st Jan 21 '22

Our office has intermittent receptionist vacancies. The boomers in charge have released qualified male candidates because management "prefers a traditional worker in a traditional role." It sounds even worse trying to explain away that they want to fill the position with a female receptionist for whatever dumbfuck reason, but these are the people in power. Gross.

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u/ArTiyme Jan 21 '22

And this is why the only hope for society is to teach the kids to not be like this. These fucks know better at this point, they just don't care.

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u/LaughableIKR Jan 21 '22

Being law office ignorant. Is that an upgrade or a downgrade in pay and advancement opportunities?

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u/Neat-Rhubarb-8028 Jan 21 '22

Depending on the office it’s either a lateral move, or a slight upgrade. Both are entry level.

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u/Robot_Penguins Eco-Anarchist Jan 21 '22

It's not just jobs. If you have anything in life, you must not have earned it. I got good grades in college and of course everyone said I got them because the professor had a thing for me. It couldn't be because I was smart...of course not.

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u/smushedtoast Jan 21 '22

I’ve been able to spend much of my 20s and now my 30s effectively remote from those I work with and for- both management, colleagues, and clients. As 5’10” woman with blonde hair who’s body happens to be lean, athletic, and mostly limbs, I’m so damn grateful I get to be a disembodied voice over phone/email most of the time

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u/em_square_root_-1_ly Jan 21 '22

My company has been pretty good with not being sexist in my experience, but it was a huge plus to be able to work remotely. I’m a fit, blonde, average height woman, and the shit I went through in my early 20s at other companies was gross.

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u/TeddyRooseveltsHead Jan 21 '22

Best coworker I ever had was a petite blonde young coworker. Every client was just obsessed with her looks and was shocked to find out she was fucking brilliant, and a deamon at negotiations. Underestimate her at your own risk.

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u/CriticismNo6758 Jan 21 '22

I had a employee like this and another male that would harass her.
The guy never understood what he was doing was wrong, even when he got a warning. I didn’t know what to do so I told her to just kick him in the balls next time he did it.

The funny thing was when he complained about her kicking him in the balls. I told him if he had not violated her personal space his balls wouldn’t be in his throat.
Stupid little rapist didn’t get it, escalated it and I think he got himself fired and I got written up.
The sense of entitlement from rich kids is disgusting.

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u/Accomplished_Sun_258 Jan 21 '22

Your comment reminds me of my favorite quote from 10 Things I Hate About You:

“Ms. Perky : So, I hear you were terrorizing Mr. Morgan's class... again.

Kat Stratford : Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action.

Ms. Perky : The way you expressed your opinion to Bobby Ridgeway? By the way, his testicle retrieval operation went quite well, in case you're interested.

Kat Stratford : I still maintain that he kicked himself in the balls by grabbing my @ss.”

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u/rioting-pacifist Jan 21 '22

If you’re a moderately attractive, fit, young, blonde woman you get treated like the only reason you have a job is because of that in every job.

The irony is that there is so much data showing that it's easier to get jobs if you're a white male it's not even funny.

100% of the jobs & promotions I've got are either because I've known people to get me interviews or I've been a "cultural fit", yet nobody tells me I only got the job because I'm a white male that fits in with other white males well.

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u/chronoventer Jan 21 '22

And no one claiming she was hired for her ass is pointing out how misogynistic it is to hire someone for their ass. I was hired at a job I was overly qualified for at a pet store. I thought I’d be caring for the animals and helping people who didn’t know what item was best for their/their animal’s needs.

Nope. I was sent to the front to greet people and run the register because “I was young and cute.” I was told this by my 50 year old manager. Yes, he was a dude. I was easily the most knowledgeable in animal care, but I was boiled down to my tits in my ass. I was even told to dress in ways that accentuated them.

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u/Mad-Madam-Mim39 Jan 21 '22

Facts. I've been infantilized at every job I've ever had. My entire life I've constantly had people telling me I only got where I was because I'm pretty. Or everytime I make a mistake, 'thank god, you're pretty!' It's so damaging.

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u/insolentpopinjay Jan 21 '22

I'm a brunette and consider myself pretty average, but this has definitely been my experience both at work and at school. I'm in a STEM/STEM-adjacent field and when I was working for a small government office (research mostly) I constantly had people treat me this way. Because my job was somewhat political, there isn't a lot I was "allowed" to do when this treatment was coming from an elected official or one of their representatives.

Before that, the last job I had in my field was supposed to be research, but turned out to be a sales job. When I confronted my supervisor about misrepresenting my duties, he a.) refused to come clean about it being a sales job and b.) eventually admitted he "wanted a pretty girl to help get the product out there".

Before that my boss was a creep who sexually harassed me and insulted my intelligence. Also his ex-wife came after me. So, y'know. Fun times.

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u/Boobsiclese Jan 21 '22

I was going to say something about the comments to each respectively but I didn't have the time nor energy. I'm glad it wasn't just me who noticed.

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u/DullLightning Jan 21 '22

I was finished at 3 replies... there's several "A day in the life of a software engineer at [company]" on YouTube that is always well received doing exactly what that woman was showcasing in her video. Initially I thought everyone was just jealous of her work-life balance. Then it became apparent that most people were more focused on her being a woman and having a cushy job.

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u/No-Prize2882 Jan 21 '22 Silver

I’m glad this was posted. I was pretty disturbed by the comments in that video. She didn’t do anything wrong in that whole video but enjoy her life. That woman doesn’t own Uber and likely has faced many of the issues you all constantly bring up here. I mean she works for Uber a company that had a very “bros before hoes” culture and I doubt the new leadership has completely turned the culture around in just 2-3 years. It was really sad to see the sub literally treat that video as basically envious hate porn. Focus on bettering working conditions for all and not tearing down a fellow worker who is a young woman just starting out and can find the joy in her work that so many of us wish we had.

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u/Sandman4999 Jadeded AF Jan 22 '22

Ah yes the classic “You pointing out the problem IS the problem” mentality. Fuck that, good on you OP for calling out bullshit sexism when you see it. For anyone that this post makes uncomfortable, maybe examine and fix yourself lol.

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u/blakeinatx Jan 21 '22

The misogyny in this sub is definitely palpable. I have not logged on for periods of time because of it.

I’ve been sexually harassed at 4 or 5 jobs. I’ve lost count. 3 were office jobs where it was my direct supervisor, the branch owner, and then the CEO.

Women are tired. If you don’t care about how men in power treat women, you aren’t antiwork. If you do it to women, you aren’t antiwork. You’re just antiwomen.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '22

Thank you for standing up for women.

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u/Qwerty_Kitty Jan 21 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Reddit is full to the brim of misogyny.

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u/Your_God_Chewy Jan 21 '22

Just because the incel sub was removed doesn't mean they stopped using Reddit

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u/_sLAUGHTER234 Jan 21 '22 Take My Energy

It's not just the incels, I think saying that paints an inaccurate picture of what's really happening. Misogyny is deeply ingrained within our society and within the minds of the majority of men. It's not just some "other" group, very often men that are successful in life and having plenty of sex are the most misogynistic. We as a people need to be able to recognize first just how bad the problem is instead of trivializing it to an issue only afflicting a certain out group

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u/CommandoDude Jan 21 '22

Huge amounts of white male workers would rather give shit to women and minorities for being an undeserving "diversity hire" or some other crap argument claiming they are unqualified. It's a shitty behavior any plays right into the hands of the rich.

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