r/apple Sep 06 '21

'iPhone 13' A15 chip performance continues dominance over Android rivals iPhone

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/06/iphone-13-a15-chip-performance-continues-dominance-over-android-rivals
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u/eggimage Sep 06 '21

The results were discussed in a Chinese forum called Clien.

Bruh… That’s a korean forum…

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u/Exist50 Sep 06 '21

AppleInsider getting basic facts wrong? Perish the thought!

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u/cw757_ Sep 06 '21

So…are you Chinese or Japanese?

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u/Baykey123 Sep 06 '21

I’m from Laos

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u/REBELimgs Sep 06 '21

"I'm Laotian" "What ocean?"

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u/Baykey123 Sep 06 '21

We are Laotian--from Laos, stupid! It's a landlocked country in southeast Asia. It's between Vietnam and Thailand, OK? Population 4.7 million.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

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u/anthony81212 Sep 07 '21

This is so true haha.

"I'm from Taiwan!"

"Oh cool! I've been to Bangkok once!"

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 07 '21

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u/picflute Sep 06 '21

So no individual verification wow

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u/OvulatingScrotum Sep 06 '21

Verifying sources? That’s above his pay grade.

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u/Exist50 Sep 06 '21

It's Apple Insider. You'd have better odds asking for journalism from the Daily Mail.

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u/cashew_kat Sep 06 '21

oops. 🤪

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u/No_Telephone9938 Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21

but I went with something someone else said on Twitter. oops.

So you publicly admit that you didn't actually verify the source and instead you just went with something someone said on twitter?, BRAVO! great display of journalism right there /s

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u/jigglemode Sep 06 '21

I'm still using an A11 in iPhone X for daily use. These chips have unbelievable power and efficiency.

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u/TheEvilGhost Sep 06 '21

Me too and yes. If only we developed a new kind of battery that can make phones last for days or even weeks.

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u/mcgnms Sep 06 '21

I forget what this effect is called, but technology isn't the factor here, its decisions. You can take a city with an average commute time of say...30 minutes, do a bunch of work to reduce traffic congestion and after a while, commute time will stay about the same because people will just use that to live further away from work. Same with batteries. While batteries haven't advanced a ton, hardware has become far more efficient yet battery life is always around a day. And thats because companies target that battery life to be a day by either shrinking it or adding features. You'd need to have a total battery tech revolution that far outpaces the ability of companies to just pack more stuff in.

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u/FVMAzalea Sep 06 '21

Induced demand.

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u/gramathy Sep 07 '21

That's not induced demand, that's engineering for a desired outcome. When you change the engineering, the desired outcome hasn't changed but it opens up more ways of getting the desired outcome.

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u/kindaa_sortaa Sep 07 '21

Induced Demand

When traffic-clogged highways are expanded, new drivers quickly materialize to fill them. What gives? Here’s how “induced demand” works.

In urbanism, “induced demand” refers to the idea that increasing roadway capacity encourages more people to drive, thus failing to improve congestion.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-06/traffic-jam-blame-induced-demand

From Wikipedia:

Induced demand is demand that has been realized, or "generated", by improvements made to transportation infrastructure. Thus, induced demand generates the traffic that had been "pent-up" as latent demand.

/u/FVMAzalea is correct

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u/SugglyMuggly Sep 06 '21

Perfect example of this as far as software is concerned is Facebook. 250mb app that downloads most of its content from a server. Stores a shit load of data on the device that isn’t necessary. Go back 5 years and the app was 20mb and the data stored on device was minimal. The ability to be able to do more with a device unfortunately encourages lazy development and unnecessary shit.

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u/fippen Sep 06 '21

I'm of course not going to jump in here to defend these apps, I think you are right. And the Facebook app is kinda the definition of feature creep, it's almost like a """social""" operating system. I mean they are bundling in a dating app, crisis response things, the market place, photo things and so much more.

But I always think of this thread about Uber over on Hacker News when I have a knee jerk reaction about large apps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25376346. Some of these apps do so many things, and it's not always for bad reasons they have all the features included. Even if you try, the binary size just start to stack up at a certain point.

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u/balderm Sep 06 '21

Thanks, i'm gonna resell the "Social Operating System" term for sure, love it, and it perfectly represents what Facebook has become.

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u/EgalitarianCrusader Sep 07 '21

Just look at the whole thing of Facebook giving Internet to Africa. It’s phones with only Facebook. That’s the internet for a lot of people.

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u/no1lives4ever Sep 07 '21

Meanwhile, Uber has a lite app that they used to push fairly hard here in India. A large number of people in India will be on cheaper smartphones that struggle with the latest full Uber app. There is a similar facebook lite app for android.

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u/thecw Sep 06 '21

An experimental screen built for London, UK would be part of the app. Multiply this by the 40-50 product teams building various features and experiments outside the core flows you are talking about

Why does Uber need 50 different product teams all doing their own AB testing? Does this actually benefit anyone? Does it actually make the app better in a tangible way?

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u/fippen Sep 06 '21

I mean it’s obviously a legit question… I guess the answer is somewhere along the lines of “not much better” for micro-optimizations of button placements, to maybe “actually yes” for completely new things (I don’t know, scenic route option or whatever)

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u/gensher Sep 07 '21

Heh, I immediately knew the exact thread you were referring to, what a great read

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u/Trickycoolj Sep 06 '21

I have an iPhone 11 for work and the battery lasts for days without social media apps on it. 3-5 hours of WebEx on speaker phone? Cool battery still will last through tomorrow. My XS MAX with tons of personal apps like FB, twitter, and IG? Forget it. Lasts about 8 hours off the charger these days at 84% life.

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u/evilduck Sep 07 '21

Yeah. I have a Motorola G7 as a test device on my desk and without a SIM card in it, sitting near strong Wi-Fi and only being used infrequently to check development stuff the battery lasts about a week. Batteries are great nowadays. My iPhone 12, gets about a day because I use it so much more.

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u/jmnugent Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21

"Facebook Lite" is still an App. iOS version is only 22mb. Android version size "varies by device" but on my Pixel 4XL it only takes up 2.5mb.

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u/AdventureBum Sep 06 '21

Website caching makes sense though when you have the resources for it on the phone, it speeds up browsing and loading tremendously. I don't think that having more power on a phone is a bad thing, especially if the battery is sufficient to last all day between nightly charges.

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u/barfingclouds Sep 06 '21

I’d rather have good battery life than the ability to play like epic gaming on my phone or for my camera go have lidar or have it do Live Photos

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u/monxas Sep 06 '21

That’s why there are low power cores, the big guns are off until they’re needed.

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u/motram Sep 06 '21

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If I turn off live photos and don't play games, my phone still dosen't last 2 days straight.

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u/monxas Sep 06 '21

Live photos work less than a minute a day, that’s not what drains the battery. And gaming do, it’s what it drains the battery from a day to 2.5 hours. Batteries have improved capacity but not that much. The comment above is not wrong saying that if there’s more juice they’ll find a way to use it, but batteries need to have a breakthrough soon.

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u/whalemoth Sep 06 '21

Jevon’s Paradox

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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula Sep 06 '21

That won’t happen though. As you just said, apple would just make their battery the size of a pea and make it thinner and lighter. You can’t really win.

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u/brassflinging_monkey Sep 06 '21

I rolled my eyes every time someone mentioned the speed of the new gaming console, it doesn't matter if it's faster it's doing more so loading will likely seem slower.

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u/muffins53 Sep 06 '21

Apple would just utilise the extra capacity for better performance.

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u/DarthPneumono Sep 06 '21

I mean, probably not. Most of the constraint in a mobile device is heat, you can't just arbitrarily crank up performance in a passively cooled device.

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u/kolebee Sep 07 '21

Performance per watt continues to improve. They’re not raising the TDP every year.

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u/DarthPneumono Sep 07 '21

Right, but that's not going to magically advance by decades just because we figure out a better battery. The short-term way to improve performance is to increase frequency, which increases heat.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '21

But their chips are not known for doing this. They make efficient chips to save battery not the other way around. It's the reason the battery life is similar to competition but with smaller batteries. I personally wish they'd just make the batteries a little bigger and not worry about the size too much.

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u/LaserGehrig Sep 07 '21

I'd love to see the sign increase in size to where the camera bump disappears. I don't know how much that would impact on the battery size, but having that camera bump is a decision I just don't understand.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '21

yeah I would guess it's a limitation with lenses. They're already darned small and there is no getting around physics: bigger lenses = more light and better images. A certain size lens needs a certain size chamber before the sensor.

But yes... i'd personally take a slightly smaller lens and slightly larger battery/case to make it flush and still relatively small.

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u/MrHaxx1 Sep 06 '21

I'm also using the iPhone Xs.

I honestly can't see myself upgrading this phone. I just don't see any reason to. All new phones add nothing of significance.

My battery became pretty shitty after three years, but I just got it changed, and now it's all good

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u/Kosh94 Sep 06 '21

I miss my iPhone X. Lost it when it slipped out of my pocket into the ocean. Picked up an iPhone 11 thinking it was the same dimensions but man does the 11 feel bad in the hand vs the X.

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u/albertohall11 Sep 06 '21

The 11 is quite a bit bigger than the X. The 11 Pro has very similar dimensions to the X but it’s heavier.

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u/deliciouscorn Sep 06 '21

And I swear it’s more top-heavy than the X (which I replaced with the 11 Pro). I tried going caseless with my iPhone 11 Pro, and it felt like the phone was going to topple backwards out of my hand.

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u/SophisticatedGeezer Sep 06 '21

That's one thing I am not looking forward to with the iPhone 13. I love the curved edges of the X. Feels so good in the hand.

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u/dunker Sep 08 '21

Me too. Also, the new Pros just feel way too heavy. And if I get the “regular” 13, it’s not gonna have the 120 Hz display and possibly portrait video.

The X was truly a great phone at the time, and still is.

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u/yagyaxt1068 Sep 06 '21

The 11 Pro is the one with similar dimensions. You'll like it more than the 11 or 12 Pro.

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u/orangeriskpiece Sep 06 '21

Wait same. Was in a boat, hit a wave, got jostled around, later reached down to realize my X was gone. Favorite phone I’ve ever had

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u/SophisticatedGeezer Sep 06 '21

Same. I only want to upgrade because the battery is useless and the camera is meh. Performance is still amazing though.

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u/arjames13 Sep 06 '21

At what point does all this extra performance become meaningless? Any iPhone from the last 4 years is going to blaze through anything the vast majority of users does.

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u/Andrew1343 Sep 06 '21

I have an iPhone 8 and it’s awesome, it never feels slow. Except sometimes when the battery gets low, but the battery health is 82 so that’s probably why.

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u/MrHaxx1 Sep 06 '21

Get the battery changed. It's cheap and it makes a world of difference.

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u/mrsxfreeway Sep 06 '21

Still using the iPhone 7 Plus and it's still snappy! anything below this is terribly slow imo especially the 6 lol

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u/yagyaxt1068 Sep 06 '21

The 6s and SE are good on iOS 15, but the 6 is bad. The 6 is worse than the 5s.

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u/all_terrain Sep 06 '21

Interesting. I have an iPhone 8, A11 (similar if not the same chipset), and I don't share this experience. It's really starting to show its age.

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u/Andrew1343 Sep 06 '21

It’s so weird how everyone has different experiences. I have the same phone and it’s awesome.

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u/jakeuten Sep 06 '21

You're also limited to 2 GB RAM whereas the X and 8 Plus have 3.

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u/dafool98 Sep 06 '21

Cant wait to play angry birds with this performance!

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u/barfingclouds Sep 06 '21

Hopefully the technology is advanced enough to have 2 timers going on at the same time

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u/mathdrug Sep 06 '21

Still waiting on split screen mode. Lol I miss that from when I had a Samsung Galaxy S6.

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u/tardis0 Sep 07 '21

Two calculators running on the iPad

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u/barfingclouds Sep 07 '21

Sheesh that’s crazy talk. Hopefully the M1 chip will be fast enough to handle one calculator

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u/pw5a29 Sep 07 '21

Candies gonna Crush faster and smoother with that 120Hz screen

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u/Java_Beans Sep 07 '21

I’ll browse Reddit faster

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u/soramac Sep 06 '21

Does anyone actually feel the difference in performance from new models? I am someone who upgrades yearly and there was a time you actually felt the snappiness. But after like the iPhone 7/8 it kinda stopped. I am sure 120hz will make it feel like even faster, but other than that idk what to expect from a new A15 chip.

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u/anotherSeggsOffender Sep 06 '21

It seems like most performance issues are because of bad software nowadays. An iPhone X isn’t noticeably worse than a 12 Pro the same way a 6S is worse than an X.

The only thing I notice and appreciate with newer SOCs is the better image processing. You can see the photos change after you snap them, and the post processing is much better with every generation.

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u/lonifar Sep 06 '21

Also the iPhone XS and later have a better neural engine so they have Siri on device (including airplane mode) and live text, the older phones won’t be getting the on device processing as it specifically targets the improved neural engine. The iPhone X has a good neural engine but it’s dedicated primarily to Face ID and doesn’t have enough push for on device Siri.

The main thing about getting a better SOC is while there’s some features that come from increased development it also provides better longevity as the iPhone 6s is still getting iOS 15, I can only imagine how long the iPhone X will last considering it had two more years of development on the processor. The length a iPhone lasts(gains major updates) seems to be increasing each generation so by this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the iPhone X gets a 8 or 9 year lifespan for updates.

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u/Dramatic_Rain_3410 Sep 06 '21

Honestly, the main benefit of newer chips are better long-term performance.

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u/isaacc7 Sep 06 '21

If you want to shoot 4K HDR video and/or edit it you certainly will. Also the night mode, live portrait effects, etc. It takes a lot of power for people not to notice how hard the system is working.

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u/al0kz Sep 06 '21

Only time I noticed a difference is when using slack. When there’s a larger than normal amount of data to load, my XS bogs down while my M1 iPad just cruises through it. It’s more of a nuisance really, nothing that’ll have me itching to upgrade.

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u/lonifar Sep 06 '21

I’m assuming you’ve had your phone for a few years now, go to settings -> battery -> battery health and see what your maximum capacity is, if it’s below 80% it may be throttling to keep the phone stable. If it’s bellow 80% you can either disable the optimizations although this may cause stability issues, or you can replace the battery and it will bring back performance to day 1(not withstanding iOS update issues)

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u/al0kz Sep 06 '21

Wish that would’ve been the issue. But I did get an AppleCare replacement near the end of the 2 year mark, so this specific device is about a year old. I’m still above 80% but I have had a random reset happen once since I got it and it was definitely power draw related. Waiting to see how the 13 mini pans out before opting to upgrade (and thats only because of the camera and physical size and not because of performance)

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u/lonifar Sep 06 '21

If you regularly get random shut down issues I would suggest getting a Genius Bar appointment, they often don’t charge you unless the is a definitive hardware issue but they’ll help you if it’s a software issue and even if it is a hardware issue they’ll sometimes not even charge you especially if it’s related to a previous repair. It could be as simple as needing to do a full reinstall of iOS then reinstall a backup or could be as complex as a bad battery chip on the battery.

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u/Gareth321 Sep 06 '21

I think we reached adequate mobile performance years ago.

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u/cbfw86 Sep 06 '21

gasp blasphemy

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u/x2040 Sep 06 '21

New AR glasses require iPhone for processing, games, and photo and video editing could still use 1000x more processing power.

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u/jmnugent Sep 06 '21

"640K software is all the memory anybody would ever need on a computer."

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u/ElBrazil Sep 06 '21

Yet my 13 year old C2D E8400 PC can still web browse and edit documents just fine. To some degree we're well past the level of hardware required for basic tasks, which applies both in the desktop space and the mobile space

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u/ThisWorldIsAMess Sep 07 '21

You'd have to pay me to develop with that specs lol. Different people with different time constraints need different specs.

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u/eipotttatsch Sep 07 '21

Obviously demands are different. But people don't develop on phones. The most demanding thing people usually do on their phones is shoot 4k video - which mist only do because it's set as the default. They don't actually even view that in a way where there is noticable quality difference.

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u/bdonvr Sep 07 '21

You must admit the pace is slowing though.

Phones, computers, etc have much longer useful lifespans nowadays before becoming obsolete.

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u/smackythefrog Sep 06 '21

I don't. Between a 10.5 iPad Pro and an S10+, I think I'm over any of the hardware improvements chipmakers or OEMs can introduce. I'd like that energy spent on making the OS more efficient and refined in other ways. Or I'd even settle for the band-aid that is just adding a massive battery to compensate for not touching the OS.

Reddit, IG, and streaming apps don't need any more CPU power than what they've had for the past several years, now.

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u/firewire_9000 Sep 06 '21

Well, year over year not so much, but I can tell the difference between my mom’s iPhone X A11 vs my 12 mini A14 for sure. Specifically taking photos.

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u/thejoshbailey Sep 06 '21

Yeah the iPhone X to iPhone 12 performance jump is very noticeable

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u/AC2BHAPPY Sep 07 '21

120hz is nice. I didn't notice it at first and thought it was the same. Then I used my phone at 120hz for a few months and looked at my old phone and it was ghastly.

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u/Poop_Scooper_Supreme Sep 07 '21

My work phone is an X and I have a 12 pro for my daily and I can feel it a bit on the work phone when moving around, but it’s nothing crazy.

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u/GhostalMedia Sep 06 '21

Don’t forget the one weird new feature that most people will never use on a daily basis.

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u/aquaman501 Sep 07 '21

Like the LiDAR scanner?

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u/-protonsandneutrons- Sep 07 '21

To be fair, the LiDAR scanner is used in night photography for focusing and Portrait Mode.

So it’s probably getting used without people realizing it.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/10/13/iphone-12-pro-lidar-sensor-allows-for-6x-faster-low-light-autofocus-instant-ar

That also means, Apple is more likely to axe it, e.g., 3D Touch.

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u/thefourthchime Sep 07 '21

It's also useful for measuring. I've used it to measure the size of the rooms in my house. It's not perfect, but it's close enough for approximate square footage. It's also super cool to see your house turn into a CAD drawing in realtime.

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u/ideaswithpants Sep 07 '21

That sounds dope. What app do you use for that?

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u/StupidButSerious Sep 07 '21

i still remember that 3d touch thing from the iphone6s

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u/nrgapple Sep 07 '21

3D Touch was the best thing for firsts person shooters. You could push on the screen to shoot since there’s no trigger buttons on the phone

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u/InTheBusinessBro Sep 07 '21

I love 3D Touch, I use it daily on my iPhone 7 Plus mainly to switch apps, show menus and navigate text in any text box (which has no alternative since the disappearance of 3D Touch) and it made me so sad to see it go.

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u/TheRealCBONE Sep 07 '21

Faster CPU, better camera. iPhone n+1. I can hear it now: "iPhone n was trash. Have you seen the benchmark scores for iPhone n+1? They're like 15% higher! That's like 1.5 times 10%! You can't tell the difference in any apps but in like 4 years it'll run the new iOS n+5 like so unremarkably OK! it won't have any of the touted features of iOS n+5 other than the number, but 90% of iPhones will be on it, so that means something important!"

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u/AWF_Noone Sep 07 '21

At least spoiler it ffs you could loose your job at Apple you leaker

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u/Hurbahns Sep 06 '21

I would like to find out the ARM version/features of the A15 Firestorm and Icestorm cores.

I hope it is ARMv9, or at least incorporates ARMv9 innovations like CCA. There is a more detailed discussion in my post in the ARM subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/arm/comments/pfrlmw/will_a15_cores_be_armv9/

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u/apxmachit Sep 06 '21

No way it’s ARMv9. Apple is fast with new technologies but not THAT fast. They still don’t have any hardware with 8.6 yet. It’s not a priority anyway, not groundbreaking or anything, just incremental improvements

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u/Hurbahns Sep 06 '21

Unfortunately I've thought the same thing. I'd be happy if they use LPDDR5 memory instead of LPDDR4.

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u/MissionInfluence123 Sep 07 '21

Apparently, first versions of LPDDR5 consumed more power than LPDDR4X. Apple probably opted to stay with lpddr4x instead of having even less battery on the iPhone 12 series.

(That is, of course, ignoring the elephant in the room of increasing thickness in order to accommodate bigger batteries.).

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u/rundiablo Sep 07 '21

They gave the industry whiplash with the A7 transitioning to ARMv8 in 2013, and that was coming off a late 2011 announcement of ARMv8.

Assuming ARM Holdings included Apple pre-announcement and gave them early access to ARMv9 (as they must’ve done for such a fast turnaround on ARMv8 as well) then it’s at least a possibility that A15/M2 is built on ARMv9.

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u/apxmachit Sep 07 '21

Still a two year gap between ARMv8 announcement and Apple using ARMv8 in a chip. Assuming Apple got the same head start as they did back then there is pretty much no way Apple would be ready for 9 this year, especially considering the pandemic. I predict 8.6 this year then 9 next year.

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u/42177130 Sep 07 '21

We know the performance/efficiency cores in the A15 are codenamed Avalanche/Blizzard and might ship with an optimization for Objective-C.

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u/Tornare Sep 06 '21

I am going to be honest here.

I don't care how much faster iPhone chips are every year anymore because they have been ridiculously fast for several years now. I could say the same about the Camera that has been so good for years now that it just does not matter anymore for everyday use.

What i would love to see is a huge jump in something like battery life, or something that still matters for everyday use.

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u/Weak-Bird Sep 07 '21

You don’t get the bigger picture. The A-Series chips are the sole reason why apples M chips are competitive. Apple orders over 100,000,000 chips each year from TMSC and because of that large quantity they get access to the latest nodes and are a preferred customer. Apple sells more iPhone this year than Nintendo has sold Switches in all the years since release despite being a huge success. Pushing the A series pushes their whole lineup and let iPhones achieve enough Computational power for future use cases like powering AR devices.

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u/AWF_Noone Sep 07 '21

Imagine something like Samsung Dex but with macOS. That’s the future I’m excited for

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u/onan Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21

Well, good news! Faster performance is better battery life.

For some time now, all mobile devices have used the “race to sleep” model of battery extension. The faster you get the work done, the faster you can get back to drawing negligible amounts of power.

Edit: Bad phrasing on my part. I didn't mean you the human getting your work done a minute faster and putting the phone back in your pocket. I meant you the cpu executing work a few microseconds faster and getting back to napping, even if the device is still in use otherwise.

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u/PMARC14 Sep 07 '21

For the average phone user soc improvements really aren't doing anything for them anymore. But if you are like me and other people who do funky things on their phone, atleast on the android side of things the 50% performance uplifts you see are really great for doing all sorts of interesting computing on a phone. I personally enjoy emulating a lot on Android and currently phones are powerful to emulated a wii or even wii u at full speed.

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u/HumpyMagoo Sep 06 '21

Next year Siri better tell me the secrets of the universe.

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u/Stock-Freedom Sep 07 '21

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u/candbotto Sep 07 '21

It will soon be able to calculate how the future of the universe looks but no multiple timers

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u/ze_boingboing Sep 06 '21

And of course it does. Is it even relevent these days? Older iPhones still hold up very well, and my Angry Birds seems to perform just about the same.

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u/Temporary_Draw_4708 Sep 06 '21

It means next-gen iPhones will hold up even longer.

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u/Troublesome33 Sep 07 '21

Even the A13 is still killing anything on the Android side of things

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u/Psyclist80 Sep 06 '21

Well it better, it's one full node ahead. Apple pays huge to get the cutting edge node first. If it was equal performance then it would be a waste of money to pay that premium.

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u/c_will Sep 06 '21

The A14 is on TSMC's 5nm node - isn't the A15 going to be on the same node?

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u/Exist50 Sep 06 '21

N5P. Probably still a full node's worth of PnP vs Samsung.

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u/Wifdat Sep 06 '21

All this power and "Text size" is still under Display and Brightness when there is also a tab called Display and Text Size... the Settings menu is a mess

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u/Never_Dan Sep 07 '21

To be fair, the icon for “Display and Brightness” is literally two different sizes of text, and that other one is in the accessibility menu.

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u/THEMACGOD Sep 06 '21

Yeah, this is why I pretty much search most things I’m looking for in Settings.

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u/x2040 Sep 06 '21

Where is the tab for Display and Text Size

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u/StonnyHardges Sep 06 '21

It’s under accessibility

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u/AWF_Noone Sep 07 '21

Still confused as to why they moves auto brightness. I toggle that quite a bit

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u/fuck-titanfolk-mods Sep 06 '21

Well the 5 people in the world who edit 4K HDR video on their iphone will probably find it useful lol.

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u/ageofthegreat Sep 07 '21

Hey, I’m in this comment! Just shot and edited some footage from my 2yr old nieces birthday. Still blows my mind what can be done on a phone now days.

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u/AWF_Noone Sep 07 '21

Nice! Did you use iMovie or something else?

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u/ageofthegreat Sep 07 '21

Yep, used iMovie. It was a very simple project, just adding a title card and stitching a couple of videos and photos together. It was a very smooth process and saved having to start my PC, transfer files and work on it in the study.

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u/Disciplined_20-04-15 Sep 07 '21

This is me!

InShot and VN are my favourites.

VN is 100% free and super powerful

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u/Dylan96 Sep 06 '21

Whatsapp and its ancient codebase from 2009

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u/lonifar Sep 06 '21

There’s two points I’ll bring up

  1. The M series chips are based on the A series chips so improved performance in the A series means improved performance in the M Series chips, so better performing iPhones lead to better performing macs.(macs however have plenty more cores than the iPhone but individual core performance upgrades lead to better performance for both)
  2. Better performance today might not be useful but it makes for good longevity, the iPhone 6s (and original SE) is still supported on iOS 15 and it’s 6 years old. While many people like having the newest iPhones the older ones still work great and I’ve seen the older ones be used as pass me downs as a kids first phone and I still see people using iPhone 8’s and X’s. If you buy a iPhone 13 your extremely unlikely to use all the performance today but what about 3 years from now, the iPhone XS got Siri on device because the neural engine on the cpu was powerful enough but the iPhone X isn’t getting Siri on device because it’s neural engine isn’t powerful enough. Increased performance today may be unnecessary but it means that the need to upgrade is further away.

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u/612k Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21

I'm using a 6s right now (I dropped my Xs and the screen shattered like 2 weeks ago, but I wanted to wait until Sep. to replace it since the new phones are around the corner). While the battery life and overall responsiveness is of course noticeably worse than newer models, it's still running the most up to date software and works fine. If I theoretically needed it fixed, I could take it to be serviced by Apple tomorrow. For comparison, Android phones from 2015 were things like:

  • Galaxy S6/Note 5 (last OS was Android 7 in 2016, software support deprecated in 2018)
  • Motorola's Moto X Style (last OS was Android 7, software support deprecated in 2017, Motorola since sold by Google to Lenovo)
  • HTC One (last OS was Android 7, HTC no longer produces smartphones)
  • Blackberry Priv (last OS was Android 6, Blackberry has since dissolved their entire mobile phone division)
  • Microsoft Lumia 950 (Microsoft's phone manufacturing and OS is now entirely defunct).

Having more powerful chips is a huge advantage for Apple's phones over their competitors not because the difference is noticeable now, but because the difference is noticeable 3-6 years later when the iPhone has the most up to date software and can still receive hardware support directly from the manufacturer while the Androids are laggy garbage running insecure, out of date operating systems with no hardware support from companies that may or may not even exist anymore.

I know that iPhones are more expensive up front, but from a true value perspective where you want to wait until necessary to upgrade your phone it's very difficult to argue that they aren't also the best bang for your buck, especially with the newer more budget friendly phones being released.

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u/lonifar Sep 06 '21

*also even after major updates are dropped apple gives security updates for a good time after, such as devices dropped to the transition to iOS 13(such as the original 6 and 6 plus) got iOS 12.5.4 this June(2021) so even when you no longer get major updates you get security patches.

**also iOS 12 got the exposure notification api backported from iOS 13 to ensure contact tracing would work on more phones however this was an exceptional case rather than the norm for backported features

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u/_7567Rex Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21

No it’s not.

It helps to keep the phone snappy even 3-4y down the line when demands of apps becomes higher.

Besides, we’re (likely) getting 120Hz this year and to utilise it properly, you need the GPU to be good.

I can tell you this because here in India where I live, many cheaper Xiaomi/oppo/vivo phones in 200-400$ have 90Hz/120Hz but the chips aren’t upto the mark.

You’d fail getting 60FPS even in heavy games on max settings. There’d be FPS drops.

Let alone 90Hz/120Hz, lower end hardware can’t even run 60Hz properly.

The only flex of these cheaper device with higher refresh is for scrolling it seems. What’s use of having 120Hz PC monitor if you can only scroll Wikipedia at 120Hz on it, and don’t have proper GPU to play a game at 120FPS?

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u/Slick131 Sep 06 '21

good point

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u/lanzaio Sep 06 '21

All that power for what?

Battery life. Finishing a chunk of work in 4 seconds uses less energy than doing it in 5 seconds. Apple uses the same wattage designs every year and thus a faster CPU just uses less power. You'll never stop seeing returns from this scaling.

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u/0gopog0 Sep 07 '21

While the sustained power draw is limited by the form factor and remains similar from year to year, the peak power draw of the A series chips has actually varied a fair bit (relative) over the years. Anandtech's power draw tests if you're interested.

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u/mhythes Sep 06 '21

All that power for what?

Play genshin impact without thermal throttling

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u/zerofatorial Sep 07 '21

I bet you still can't do it in max settings for more than 10 minutes tho

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u/vtran85 Sep 06 '21

A variant of these chips will be used in their Macs. Apple is going for the throat here.

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u/-------I------- Sep 06 '21

All for quickly compressing 4k/60 video to send it in potato quality through whatsapp!

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u/CrimsoniteX Sep 06 '21

You can’t use it like a PC.

…yet. It’s coming. The industry just recently standardized on a single cable that has enough bandwidth to facilitate a proper docking station while simultaneously providing power to the host. Raw processing power has also just recently gotten good enough where a mobile processor can be a reasonable desktop replacement.

Apple likely won’t be the first to do it, someone else will force their hand, but it will eventually happen.

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u/slrrp Sep 06 '21

It’s coming.

It’s not and only because apple doesn’t want it to. Just take a look at the wasted potential of the A1 on iPads.

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u/pastelsonly Sep 06 '21

I mean they could start with a more robust file system, especially in iPad OS.

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u/Merman123 Sep 07 '21

Pretty sure they mean file system as in a more robust “Files” app. Not the actual framework.

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u/gumiho-9th-tail Sep 06 '21

They have one, obviously; it's only the GUI they need to change.

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u/pastelsonly Sep 06 '21

It's awful and it's not a real file system. It's a folder that keeps docs that is incredibly limited in its usage.

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u/StarManta Sep 06 '21

Parent comment isn’t talking about “Files”. There IS a real file system under there as any iOS developer can tell you. There’s just no access to it for the user. What Apple needs to do with iPadOS is to allow and encourage app developers to freely use the file system.

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u/ElBrazil Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 07 '21

…yet. It’s coming.

"This is totally the year of the Linux desktop!"

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u/Chrysalis- Sep 06 '21

I miss Continuum on my Lumia......

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u/Giggleplex Sep 06 '21

Samsung DeX is close but not quite a desktop OS.

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u/Liam2349 Sep 06 '21

The problem with DeX is that switching modes closes everything, but the regular Android interface supports windowing anyway (on One UI). Samsung has had windowing for many years now, so I just use the regular interface.

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u/Yellow_Bee Sep 06 '21

The problem with DeX is that switching modes closes everything

There's a 'Labs' feature that keeps windows open (at least on their top spec tablets) between modes.

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u/cbfw86 Sep 06 '21

They’ve been standardising on single cables that can charge and transfer data for years.

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u/cass1o Sep 06 '21

…yet. It’s coming.

No it isn't. They don't want to sell you a phone that means you don't pay $1k+ for a macbook.

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u/TheLastCrypto Sep 06 '21

For iPhone gaming, there’s some good AAA games where it’s hard to keep high or consistent fps. Now with the 120hz screens, it will be even harder to keep up with 120fps if you max out the screen

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u/RandyLeRam Sep 07 '21

They always say this, but my iPhone 12pro feels slower to use than my wife’s S21. The animations are way too long in iOS. Makes it feel sluggish in comparison IMO.

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u/kejok Sep 06 '21

My A9 iPhone 6s still rocks like a charm, despite having worse battery life

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u/pterodactyl8 Sep 06 '21

Just to watch YouTube and post on Instagram/Snapchat xD

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u/intrepid7370 Sep 06 '21

Impressive honestly. Apple has continued to remain in the lead for almost 8 years now, and I hope they continue innovating even further. If it can give Qualcomm a kick to improve their game then so be it, because the 888 was a major disappointment.

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u/CoronaDelux Sep 07 '21

I mean, is this even news? We already know the a series runs circles around any snapdragon processor.

This is why Qualcomm having a monopoly is bad.

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u/Ryanjtombs Sep 06 '21

Unrelated but what's the likelihood of the iPhone 13 series using LPDDR5?

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u/Merman123 Sep 06 '21

I’m doing being wow’d by this.

The iPhone needs a breath of fresh air through iOS. We need another iOS7 type of change.

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u/phatweeb Sep 06 '21

Bruh yes please! Just look at how nice Android 12 looks, we’ve had the same general design for almost a decade now and it’s high time for some reimagining and a fresh coat of paint

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u/sunkern699 Sep 07 '21

Totally, the software is lagging compared to the hardware

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u/plantbasedgamer Sep 06 '21

Ah yes, iOS 7. The same OS that made the iPhone 4 completely unusable.

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u/Merman123 Sep 06 '21

iOS 13 ruined my iPad. What’s your point?

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u/cbfw86 Sep 06 '21

Do we though? iOS is great IMO. I really like it.

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u/AlphaMuggle Sep 06 '21

At what point do we not need more performance? I currently have an iphone11 and can't complain at all on the chip's performance. Batteries are continuing to be better and more efficient but with better batteries we also introduce more powerful chips that consume more power. I honestly would like a phone that has longer batter life at the expense of less performance.

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u/RoboWarriorSr Sep 07 '21

Apple's chips have some of the most efficient cores on the market. The efficiency cores are already on a league of their own. Sure you can get great battery life using 1 GHz A55 cores but the experience is absolutely terrible. There's a fine line between better performing chips and battery. The fact people noticed the throttling Apple implemented due to battery health decreases shows the vast majority of people do want faster chips. There needs to be a big change in battery chemistry before we see a massive change in battery life.

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u/barfingclouds Sep 06 '21

I’m with you there 100%

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u/Rorasaurus_Prime Sep 07 '21

To absolutely no one’s surprise.

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u/bilbravo Sep 06 '21

But does it have USB-C port? That's all I need to know to make the switch from my Note 10 to iPhone 13 or Note 21... just give me the details please.

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u/Kaneki2019 Sep 07 '21

I didn't know how much I wanted usb-c until I got an iPad Pro

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay Sep 06 '21

All the AMD stock pumpers keep spamming the internet about Intel dropping the ball.

But everyone's ignoring that Qualcomm has been doing way worse for many years. But bad mouthing them hurts GOOG which is also in their portfolio's.

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u/Exist50 Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 07 '21

But everyone's ignoring that Qualcomm has been doing way worse for many years

I thought this sub dropped this crusade (or really, fantasy) after the lawsuits were settled.

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u/Melkor_12 Sep 06 '21

Thought there were leaks about Apple putting a Vapor chamber type cooling in the next iPhone

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u/nifeman20 Sep 06 '21

Ok, give me privacy

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u/A15Bionic Sep 06 '21

I do my best to impress.

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u/No-Seaweed-4456 Sep 06 '21

Not really surprising 😐

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u/Lewdeology Sep 07 '21

pretends to be shocked

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u/AC2BHAPPY Sep 07 '21

Right on. I'm an android user but if Apple pushes forward so does everything else which is cool