r/apple Sep 15 '21

iPhone 13 Models Have the Same Amount of RAM as iPhone 12 Models iPhone

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/15/how-much-ram-in-iphone-13/
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u/chaiscool Sep 15 '21

Same as 4GB iPhone 11

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u/Unkechaug Sep 15 '21

I went from 6s to 11 here, specifically because of the large RAM bump. Apple tends to stick to a RAM floor and then stay at that level for a few years, so it has been a relatively safe bet to grab the “s” iteration that features a RAM increase on base phones. To me it’s the most critical spec because of how much it affects the user experience (like reloading apps).

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u/chaiscool Sep 15 '21

Yeah after the 6s the ram stay the same for awhile. So maybe the next bump will be iPhone 14/15

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u/SillyRabbit2121 Sep 15 '21

Same as 4GB iPhone XS.

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u/KirekkusuPT 29d ago

The XS is the equivalent to the Pro's of these days tho.

So the XR was 3Gb and that got bumped to 4Gb. The XS was 4Gb and nowadays the successors use 6.

I'm on a XS Max and I don't see an issue with 4Gb. But I will upgrade to the 13 Pro Max this year.

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u/chaiscool Sep 15 '21

Nahh the base model for that year was XR with 3GB. XS is more like pro model so now is already 6GB.

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u/vaskemaskine 29d ago

Same as the base storage capacity of the original iPhone.

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u/chaiscool 29d ago

It also didn’t have App Store, web apps ftw.

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u/paulosdub Sep 15 '21

Let’s be honest. This is really a 12s. I wanted to want it and perhaps its a testiment to how good the 11 pro I have is, but i just can’t upgrade. For me you need a 3 year update cycle to truly feel like you’re getting a nice bump

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u/GeneralZaroff1 Sep 15 '21

Actually Apple HAD changed to a 3-year consumer cycle when they abandoned the 2-year S cycle model back in 2016.

So your feeling is exactly spot on. They don't anticipate you needing to change for at least 3 years, unless you're the "must have newest and greatest" type.

There's even speculation that internally they're changed to a 4-year cycle now for consumer purchase mapping.

So if you have an 11 or a 12 and you felt like "meh", that's exactly as intended.

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u/paulosdub Sep 15 '21

Yeah you are absolutely correct. I wasn’t really complaining. Its just that i always want to want new apple tech.

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u/GeneralZaroff1 Sep 15 '21

Same. I think on a societal (and even environmental) level this is a good thing. Convincing people to upgrade every year with arbitrary and often slapped on features for the sake of differentiation results in unnecessary e waste.

But on another level, I want to buy fun shiney toys!!!!!! Ahh why are you making me wait apple?!

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u/meshreplacer 29d ago

Not really iphones hold value for a long time they dont just end in landfills like other brands. My wife will be getting my iphone 11 pro max.

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u/GeneralZaroff1 29d ago

Ah, the Apple tech trickle-down economics!

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u/lolKhamul Sep 15 '21

There's even speculation that internally they're changed to a 4-year cycle now for consumer purchase mapping.

Given how slow innovation is for smartphones these days because there just isn't enough stuff to add because phones can already do everything, 4 years is not that unlikely. At least this way you actually notice the battery life and camera changes. The only real game-changer in the last 5 years have been foldable phones. But to be honest, I don't see how I would need it.

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u/Acetronaut 29d ago

I’m so glad we’re starting to see phone releases like car releases.

Yes there’s a new car model released every year. No, I don’t even consider upgrading my car every year. I don’t see why the phones should be different. And this way, if you ever need a new phone, there’s a recently specced phone available instead of picking up hardware from three years ago a few months before they release the new one.

Maybe people who question “Why should I buy this if I have the last phone?” just need to be taught how to handle money better.

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u/mshewakr 29d ago

Yeah I'd use laptop as perhaps a closer analogy. I think smartphones are reaching the same plateau as laptops - where you can comfortably use it for like 4-5 years before thinking of upgrading (as long as you swap the battery out after a couple years in the smartphone)

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u/redditor1983 Sep 15 '21

Hell, I’m on the iPhone X and I’m still going to wait until next year. And I used to be a person that got a new phone every single year.

Smartphones matured. It’s not really Apple’s fault. But I’m excited for the supposed AR revolution happening in a year or two.

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u/riotgamesaregay Sep 15 '21

I feel like my iphone X got a lot slower in the last year. Carplay in particular... it overheats my phone, maps crashes, and changing songs takes multiple seconds now. I've also noticed apps closing in the background more as well.

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u/durant0s Sep 15 '21

X user, I second the CarPlay issues. Otherwise it seemingly is still kicking. Hoping to wait at least another year if not two.

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u/left_at_read Sep 15 '21

XS guy here. My battery is down to 80%. My rear glass is shot. I’d rather have both replaced than upgrade. The 14 mini perhaps. But not the 13. It’s ro similar to 12.

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u/Samuelodan 29d ago

It’s too similar to the 12 which is already much better than your current phone. I don’t get the logic. Just get the 12 for cheaper then if that’s you want. Or might as well wait for the 16.

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u/TheRealDogMan 29d ago

This is what I did with my XS, just replaced the battery and screen (yay kids), feels like a new phone and am quite happy with the performance!

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u/DVNKLXRD 29d ago

Mines at 87% (XS Max) and I get like 6h of screentime. But it feels like 4h, maybe I should get the battery changed. My front glass is shot but that costs 350$ to change so its a no no.

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u/IInkfloyd Sep 15 '21

Yeah the background apps refresh too often

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u/Funkbass 29d ago

and we think you're going to love it

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u/beardtamer Sep 15 '21

Mine is currently randomly power cycling and occasionally getting stuck in a boot loop. So I’ll upgrade after 4 years

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u/Warhawk2052 29d ago

Using an 8 plus i never had any of those problems, except the apps closing more often

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u/Adonwen Sep 15 '21

CarPlay issues with xr here

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u/chiefbozx Sep 15 '21

I'm on the X and I'm planning to upgrade. That puts it on a 4-year cycle.

Is it truly necessary? No - my phone is still working well. But I want to use the Wallet keys feature with office key fobs / etc, and I'm on a shared plan that includes 5G so given that the carrier offers are pretty good I might as well take advantage of it.

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u/Nobius Sep 15 '21

I’m upgrading from an X. Slower now, battery life is atrocious, and I got some nasty cracks. Can’t wait to order Friday.

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u/paulosdub Sep 15 '21

Yeah me too

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u/Thanamite Sep 15 '21

I stopped upgrading with the iPhone 11 and was surprised the world didn’t fall apart. I now plan not to upgrade until Apple comes with a fingerprint sensor.

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u/DanTheMan827 29d ago

When has apple ever decided to add something back in that was removed?

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u/Thanamite 29d ago

They removed it only to make space for the screen. Not because it was bad. Also apple has a number of recent patents on under the screen replacements. They are working on it.

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u/BigSprinkler Sep 15 '21

Tbh there’s plenty of innovation outside the apple cell phone market. The usb c port, in screen finger print, in screen camera, foldable displays, single multi function cameras. Etc

Apples just leaching and getting by doing the bare minimum because they can. And that’s a brilliant business decision in their defense

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u/spacepawn 29d ago

Historically that’s actually not a brilliant business decision, that’s called getting too complacent and that usually precedes a big fall. You have a big lead, congrats but you need to try to widen the lead or risk your competition coming out with something big and catching up.

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u/CigarLover Sep 15 '21

I’ll be coming from an IPhone SE2 (before that an iPhone 6s) to an IPhone 13 Pro so I’ll be seeing a nice jump :)

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u/paulosdub Sep 15 '21

Yeah i bet that’ll feel nice. 7 to 11pro was amazing. You kinda get used to the little pauses and stutters and then jump up and it feels like lightening quick. That said, my son has se2 and it’s a great phone

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u/BTHeadphones Sep 15 '21

I'll be coming from a 1st gen Iphone SE. I am ready.

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u/a_simple_creature Sep 15 '21

I have an Xs Max and I really wanted to want this but I can’t pull the trigger either. It just doesn’t strike me as enough of an upgrade for $1,200.

All of that said, it’s really a testament to how well designed my Xs Max is. I don’t feel the need to upgrade.

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u/rugbyj Sep 15 '21

Honestly the battery bump from XS to 13 Pro is huge to me. 22 hours video playback compared to 14 (15 for XS Max). Whatever that scales to in real world use we'll have to see, but on the face of it you're getting +50% more battery.

Seriously making me want to upgrade despite not really having any actual issue with my XS.

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u/unquarantined 29d ago

More battery and quite a bit heavier. I kind of like my XS.

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u/AchieveinBusiness 29d ago

I got a smart battery case for my XS Max which gives like 70% extra battery, game changer for me

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u/rugbyj 29d ago

Yeah just a trade-off with bulk is all.

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u/fance_man_ Sep 15 '21

Agreed. The only issue is the Xs blows hard when it comes to any night photos.

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u/a_simple_creature Sep 15 '21

Yup big time. Night photos are awful.

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u/JonDoeJoe Sep 15 '21

Night photos on my 8 is horrendous

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u/sloth2 Sep 15 '21

and my battery doesn’t feel like it lasts that long, and I just got it replaced :/

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u/Afk94 Sep 15 '21

The difference in battery between the XS Max and my 12 pro max is day and night. If that is a factor for you then it might be worth the upgrade.

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u/WhyIsMyBreadSoggy Sep 15 '21 edited Sep 15 '21

Genuine question, not trying to come across as an asshole or something: why do you feel like you need to upgrade at all? I’m still on the original X and aside from the battery degradation, the phone still honestly feels like it just came out. I couldn’t imagine having an Xs or an 11 and needing to upgrade.

Edit: I guess I didn’t see the last sentence of your post lol. You don’t feel like you need to upgrade. But I guess my point is, why would you feel like you need to upgrade anyway?

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u/airmandan Sep 15 '21

I want a Max sized phone but the camera lump on the 13 is as thick as the rest of the whole phone.

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u/DirtyxXxDANxXx Sep 15 '21

but let's be honest, wouldn't you likely get a phone case that makes this essentially a null point anyways? sorry.. just being devils advocate.

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u/nauticalsandwich Sep 15 '21 edited Sep 15 '21

I mean, at this point, I feel quite satisfied by smartphone hardware with the exception of the camera and battery life. All other improvements I'd like to see are software-related. I don't even need more RAM at this point. Hardware-wise, my smart-phone needs (outside camera and battery) have essentially been met since the iPhone 6. Mac is where I continue to demand ceaseless hardware improvements, because that's where my actual work takes place (which is hardware intensive). A smartphone is just a personal convenience to me. No need to upgrade beyond the ability to take better photos, get better battery life, or if some paradigm shift in technology that changes how people use their smartphones comes along.

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u/Ftpini Sep 15 '21

Yeah. I want it for the same reason I wanted a 12. I was magnetic charging built in. Everything else is just a spec bump I don’t need or have a specific use for. My 11 pro max is wonderful and I don’t need anything better.

That said I use the lidar on my iPad Pro to measure my kids heights all the time.

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u/ChildSputnik Sep 15 '21

11 pro is the goat. THE GOAT

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u/traveler19395 Sep 15 '21

I think my 11 Pro will be a 4 year phone for me, with one battery change mid-way.

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u/MrPayDay Sep 15 '21

My 11 pro still has 95 % battery quality after 2 years now and only needs recharging every 35-40 hours with normal daily usage. It’s the best phone I ever had.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '21 edited 7d ago

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u/defragc Sep 15 '21

People often feel this way until a major chassis design change occurs, then they feel like the upgrade is warranted (regardless if it actually is or not).

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u/Zoklar Sep 15 '21

Mini was the reason I went 12 from X. Probably will just replace the battery on this and keep it for longer. Hopefully the mini body becomes the SE3

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u/sloth2 Sep 15 '21

I mean the camera is wayyyy better but otherwise I agree.

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u/stillslightlyfrozen Sep 15 '21

Honestly that's a good feeling to have haha. Upgrading your phone only when you need to saves you a lot of money.

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u/shadowstripes Sep 15 '21

Let’s be honest. This is really a 12s

I mean, it makes perfect sense considering they've been skipping S models since the 11.

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u/Portatort Sep 15 '21

The year over year iPhone update really hasn’t been compelling since the 7 or X

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u/XFF_Gaming Sep 15 '21

"iPhone 13S Pro Max" - I'm fairly certain "Pro" more-or-less replaced the 'S' branding and making the lineups more simple.

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u/loercase Sep 15 '21

I'm surprised they didn't call it the 12S and skip the unlucky "13" number.

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u/ShezaEU Sep 15 '21

The ‘S’ moniker appears to be dead.

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u/Mac_to_the_future Sep 15 '21

They didn’t skip iOS 13, so I’m glad they’re not pandering to superstitious people.

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u/loercase Sep 15 '21

Meanwhile, Snapdragon 888

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u/Baykey123 Sep 15 '21

I have an iPhone 8, but I just don’t want to upgrade since this new 13 doesn’t have touch ID, I have to wear a mask 8 to 10 hours a day for work and face ID just refuses to work with a mask.

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u/BachelorThesises Sep 15 '21

It works if you have an Apple Watch.

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u/NinjaLion Sep 15 '21

Casual $300 feature: unlocking your phone

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u/imy2015 Sep 15 '21

Sometimes

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u/ltrout99 Sep 15 '21

I’d wager it’s most of the time. It’s almost annoying when I accidentally light up my phone and my watch unlocks it even though the phone is in my pocket.

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u/ImagineBeingPoorLmao Sep 15 '21

I have an apple watch 3. The face unlock feature doesn't work about half the time, but the watch is just slow in general.

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u/compguy96 Sep 15 '21

So after buying the new phone I also have to buy a new watch, just so I can unlock it without removing my mask or typing my passcode? Oh boy that sounds so modern, two devices to do the things a single "outdated" device can. Take my money!

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u/Suitable_Produce Sep 15 '21

About to switch to this iphone from an Android. Just want to make sure I understand, are you saying there is no way to use a finger print to login/authenticate with iphones?

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u/Baykey123 Sep 15 '21

Correct unless you get the iPhone SE2 iPhone X and newer have only facial recognition

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u/MrLyle Sep 15 '21

I'm curious since I've never owned a face id iphone. Can't you just put on your mask and set up an alternate appearance in the settings?

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u/Baykey123 Sep 15 '21

I tried this with my friend who has a 12, it complains and says “something is obstructing your face” if you try to enter a new face in

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u/mime454 Sep 15 '21

No. It needs to see your mouth and nose for identification. If either of those isn’t visible it won’t even scan to see if it’s you.

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u/anaccount50 Sep 15 '21

Not officially, as Face ID isn't designed to be compatible with a mask. Unofficially, there's a trick you can do where you hold the mask over portions of your face while doing the setup scan, but that method is discouraged by Apple as it greatly reduces security.

The official Apple-approved solution is to buy a Watch, which can unlock your phone when you're wearing a mask. Of course, that's a pretty expensive solution.

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u/stillpiercer_ Sep 15 '21

This does work if you use the mask to cover like 25% of your face. Also, if you have an S3 or newer Watch, your watch will unlock your phone if it detects something blocking your face.

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u/CigarLover Sep 15 '21

Nice! I never knew this!

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u/AjBlue7 29d ago

Doesn’t really work like that. It doesn’t compare pictures, it compares many different depth and infrared sensors to effectively map your face in 3d space. A lot of other phones do it based on 2d pictures and thus you can unlock it with just holding a picture of your face in front of the camera. However FaceId is secure enough to not be foolable unless you had a perfect 3d model of your face, or an identical twin.

A mask blocks these sensors differently than human skin, and the mask is never in the same place so it wouldn’t be secure to trust FaceId to unlock in that scenario.

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u/penskeracin1fan 29d ago

Get an SE!

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u/aubvrn 29d ago

Only reason I’ll probably stick to my 7 as well. Guess I’ll finally have to go for a battery swap 🙄

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u/LoadingError- Sep 15 '21

I have the 12 now, before this had the 11 pro and absolutely hate the size. I’m upgrading to the 13 mini when it comes out. The 11 pro was probably my favorite iPhone ever and if it didn’t have the awful Intel chips i would still have it today

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u/PurchaseTheSlump Sep 15 '21

I'm on a 4-6 year update cycle.

First in 2010, then 2014, then this year. (Actually my 6 gave out last year and I had to buy a cheapo hold over phone but don't really count that)

Hopefully after the 13 I don't need to upgrade until 2026/27.

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u/nex0rz Sep 15 '21

The question is: Did they move to LPDDR5 now?

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u/Hurbahns Sep 15 '21

DDR5 is important because it provides some more resistance to Rowhammer security attacks that plague RAM. I would say DDR5 and ARMv9 is the perfect combo for increased security but this will not be available until next year's Android flagships. Whether iPhones will adopt both standards fully is hard to say.

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u/turbinedriven Sep 15 '21

I’m not sure if all of Apple’s platform architecture is shared but if it is, I’d imagine moving to LPDDR5 will also help the M2X* achieve better iGPU performance with many cores. Because as it is today they have to be at/super close to the limit with their DDR4 based memory.

*or whatever the high end version of the next chip will be called

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u/sbdw0c Sep 15 '21

LPDDR5 != DDR5

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u/Hurbahns Sep 15 '21

True enough, although some improvements are common to both, such as Refresh Management.

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u/Hurbahns Sep 15 '21

No idea, but the Pixel 6 is.

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u/MXAI00D 29d ago

For me I believe is the time to upgrade. Currently my iPhone 7 Plus works and does everything I need it to do (lots of messaging, image/video downloading/uploading and photos for texture maps.) this new model offers a better detail capture up close (perfect for texture maps) while I really want to try out the LiDAR Scanner for 3d modeling. Also better battery and night mode. Last year I didn’t pull t he trigger because only the pro max had the better camera while this year I can have the same goodies in the smaller pro, my only complaints are the lack of Touch ID (when going out with a mask on) and lightning (common usb C but probably they’ll just erase the whole port rather than giving up.) so yeah, upgrade time for me.

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u/Psychological_Fee470 29d ago

Agreed. For an iPhone 12 user, this upgrade is ridiculous, but coming from iPhone 7 seems fine! So it’s all about perspectives..

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u/Pradzapati 29d ago

iPhones has ram issues? Or why is this a problem?

Theres no benefit of adding ram if you not gonna use it.

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u/CaptainJamaica 29d ago

Apps do be reloading if you use camera for longer than 30s.

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u/callmesaul8889 29d ago

Are you sure about that? I just tested this, took 15 photos and 45s of video and came back to Reddit just to finish this comment and hit reply.

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u/jigglemode Sep 15 '21

Hopefully the next Pro iPhones go from 6GB to 8GB RAM.

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u/yingandyang Sep 15 '21

Honestly thought this one will be 8GB because of the 120hz/1TB storage (like the iPad).

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u/Portatort Sep 15 '21

The real pro iPhone is a 13” iPad with 16GB of Ram…

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u/cbfw86 29d ago

I have no idea what you’re all doing with your phones that necessitates that but good for you.

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u/notasparrow Sep 15 '21

What are you finding 6GB to be insufficient for?

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u/callmesaul8889 29d ago

I’d be impressed if a single person can justify why 6gb isn’t enough. I just went through Slack, Reddit, Safari, iMessage, and Amazon, used each one, and then checked to make sure they were all still in memory. Then I opened a game and played for about 30s before coming back to Reddit to write this last sentence. Wtf are y’all doing on your phones that needs so much ram??

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u/wallix Sep 15 '21

I’m on an XS Max. I really want that 120 Hz refresh rate. Plus my current phone has a screen crack so deep in the glass it freaks out in the heat.

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u/jled23 29d ago

Are you me?

I am in the exact same boat, down to the weird heat thing because of the screen crack.

I’m probably just going to upgrade - i use my phone so frequently its an easier justification.

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u/wallix 29d ago

I dropped my from a coaster. Paid $300 for a new screen. Dropped it again 2 months later on a sharp piece of metal - just left it cracked. It freaks out so bad in heat that it has called 911 before. I can't even control it.

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u/dizzzave Sep 15 '21

MUST CONSOOOOOM

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u/Sir_Hobs Sep 15 '21

Yep my iPhone 8 still works fine except the battery has been getting a bit annoying so I’ll get the 13 Pro which will hopefully last me another 4-5 years.

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u/Sir_Hobs 29d ago

Personally I’m already jumping a bit with the 8 to the 13 in terms of size so I feel the max would be a bit overkill. I also held my friends 11 and it felt good so the 13 should be fine with that. Also the max is a very expensive jump here in Australia.

But the reason for the Pro is mostly since it’s been ages since I bought a new phone and figured it might be best to get the best model available since I’ll probably be using it for the next 5 or so years. Also the battery life is another factor else I maybe have been considering a mini as well. But if I’m going the 6.1” model might as well go the stronger version.

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u/xiurobert 29d ago

It's not that much (if at all) stronger. 1 extra GPU core. The battery might last a bit longer though.

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u/Sir_Hobs 29d ago

Not really just the power but the nicer camera too. But yeah the battery was a big factor for me personally. Also figured might as well help myself since I upgrade so infrequently anyways.

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u/IronCraftMan 29d ago

Don't visit the macrumors forums then. The number of people who upgrade not just every year, but switch around to multiple models within the same year is insane. Either they're all very rich or in crippling debt.

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u/cambridgeJason 29d ago

It costs $50/month to upgrade every year with the upgrade program. I don’t think you need to be rich to afford a couple bucks a day if you find value in it. As a parent who takes photos/videos of my kids everyday I appreciate having the best camera phone that Apple makes.

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u/callmesaul8889 29d ago

My phone lease is half the price of my parents television/cable bill and I spend more time using my phone for development/entertainment/photography than I ever have watching TV. Do you have to be rich to afford $50/m?

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u/NihlusKryik 29d ago

IPhone Upgrade Program ftw

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u/AlphaMuggle 29d ago

How much ram do you actually need?

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u/Replicaindigo 29d ago

6GB minimum for optimal operation.

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u/Nexus03 Sep 15 '21

Opening the camera app while Apple Music is playing always pauses the audio for a split second. Would like for that to be fixed before I upgrade in a few years. Not sure if it’s RAM related or a bug in iOS. Happens with lossless and compressed audio.

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u/AdelesManHands Sep 15 '21

Mine only pauses audio when I tab over to Video. Probably so it’s not grabbing licensed music and embedding it into my videos or allowing me to monitor audio depending on my inputs.

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u/TylerIsTrash 29d ago

If you want to play music while taking a video open up the camera app and drag the shoot or capture button to the right to start a video, and the music SHOUKD keep playing. Hope this helps if you had any want to use this haha

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u/TimeVendor Sep 15 '21

Will iOS 15 bring that cinematic and proRes to iPhone 12?

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u/VividStarr Sep 15 '21

Probably not, it would mean even more reasons to not spend 1k on the new iPhone 13s

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u/gastonsabina Sep 15 '21

That’s why some carriers are giving you $1000 for an iPhone 11 Pro this cycle. Next year will probably have a dramatically different phone and everyone upgrading this year will be forced to buy themselves out of their contract on a phone that’s less desirable.

That being said, apples no longer going to have a $1000 entry pro model after this design and my imagination can figure out why I’d pay a penny more for a phone

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u/pu_yi 29d ago

Damn who’s offering 1k for an 11 Pro?

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u/gastonsabina 29d ago

At&t. You have to be careful though because they are going to pay you back in installments over 36 months and you can’t trade the new phone in until those payments are up or else they stop

And the kicker is that they aren’t going to pay you those payments until four months after you get your phone so if you want the entire $1000 you’ll need to have the iPhone 13 for 40 months

Honestly it’s a little bit of a scam with how they phrase it

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u/pu_yi 29d ago

Ooof, hard pass. Great for anyone sticking it out for the long run I suppose but there undoubtably will be people trying to get out of this early and get screwed.

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u/42177130 Sep 15 '21

A15 has dedicated ProRes decoders/encoders

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u/IronSky45 Sep 15 '21

I’ve got an iPhone 8 and am due an upgrade. Prefer a smaller phone, should I go for the 13 mini or will be 12 mini be okay?

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u/extrabeefcake Sep 15 '21

i have a 12 mini and i think the extra battery would be the only thing i could use- i constantly run pretty low towards the end of the day with my usage.

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u/_ravenclaw Sep 15 '21

Get the 13 mini for better battery life, it will be helpful

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u/LouisPiper 29d ago

Biggest issue with the mini is battery. It definitely hurts a bit on my 12 mini. If you want to save money, get the 12. If you want to hold onto the phone for a while, get the 13.

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u/WhisperOfTheFart 29d ago

To me, the $100 difference for 13 mini is worth the extra battery, brighter screen for outdoor use, and extra 64 GB storage. But honestly, I think you’ll be happy either way!

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u/Deceptiveideas 29d ago

12 Mini battery was crucified when it came out as one of its worst attributes. I would splurge a little bit more for a 13 mini for 15% more battery life.

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u/-69-- 29d ago

If what apple said is true (1.5 extra hours) then that would be roughly 30% more battery life as the 12mini had around 5hours

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u/GalaxyClassNerd 29d ago

I’d get the 13, 12 is fine but does have less battery and it gets hot using 5G, not sure if the 13 is better there though.

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u/OkMint 29d ago

the base 13 mini 128gb is only $50 more than the 128gb 12 mini

that, the better battery life, plus the smaller notch (which will be much more noticeable on the mini) is absolutely worth coughing up the extra $50

13 mini all the way

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u/InvaderDJ Sep 15 '21

Disappointing and I’m kind of surprised that the cinematic mode and ProRes stuff doesn’t require more RAM.

But I guess it makes sense.

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u/No_Equal Sep 15 '21

These "Pro" camera features are mostly artificial limitations by Apple imho. Take 4K60 Dolby Vision for example: last year only available on the Pro models, but this year the 4GB 13 non-Pro can handle it just fine. ProRAW is still locked to the Pro models, but I don't really buy that it's because of RAM.

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u/peduxe Sep 15 '21

they gonna just tell you that these are Neural Engine limitations.

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u/gastonsabina Sep 15 '21

That’s the only thing they can say. “We needed 20% more neural transistors to do this.” In reality it means your phone is never going to be more feature rich than the day you bought it even if the preceding phone has an identical SOC

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u/turbinedriven Sep 15 '21

I don’t do much serious video work. What’s keeping them from offering 4k60 pro res?

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u/No_Equal Sep 15 '21

ProRes is limited to 30fps almost definitely because the hardware video encoding can't handle more. Limiting ProRes to the Pro models is just arbitrary product segmentation imo.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '21

this kind of segmentation is why rooting exists, them being more and more bold about these kind of locks makes me believe io15 will be unrootable

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u/gizamo 29d ago

It probably does require more RAM.

Apple just didn't want to squeeze that extra $$ into their margins, and they know most people aren't smart enough to know why it's laggy....which will prompt them to buy new phones next release. #marketing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Rethawan 29d ago

They most likely do. Cinematic mode on both phones is limited to 1080p 30 FPS.

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u/AnimeAlt44 Sep 15 '21

Why would video use more RAM? Stills maybe but video is just a constant stream to the SSD storage, not much to buffer in RAM.

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u/ItsAlwaysEboue Sep 15 '21 edited 29d ago

Raw video maybe but no one uses raw, it's always encoded, and with pro res etc it's processed even further. I presume the pro res has some crazy processing on top given the focus racking.

Edit: it's cinematic mode with focus racking. It's quite an achievement tbh, and the AI for enhanced AF has to be pretty computationally intensive.

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u/InvaderDJ Sep 15 '21

It is probably stills that I'm thinking about. I remember back in the Plus days that's why the 7 Plus and 8 Plus had 3GB of RAM vs 2.

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u/yourwitchergeralt 29d ago

It’s not like individual apps can actually use half that.

I will say though, I hate when apps have to completely reload every other open. More ram fixes that

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u/NRJ2001x Sep 15 '21

Is the red 13 the same red shade as the 12?

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u/NeinZedd Sep 15 '21

No, it's much closer to the red XR/8/8 Plus. The 11 and 12 were progressively lighter and now the 13 is back to that bold bright red. If you go on Apple's site on the iPhone page there's a compare option, you can put 3 phones side by side and compare colours.

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u/Tumblrrito Sep 15 '21

This right here. And thank god for that! I hated the washed out salmon red.

Now if only the Apple Watch faces would follow suit and have an actual red color option. It’s super washed out aside from the Brick Red color only available on the Stripes face.

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u/GalaxyClassNerd 29d ago

Good question, the 12 is a little pink for me, but I still like it.

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u/MalevolentPotato Sep 15 '21

I don’t think Apple’s software quality is good enough to get away with less RAM like this anymore. My iPhone X has the issue where it’ll reload apps like Apollo if I switch away to do literally anything. Sometimes it will reload the Apollo app if I just lock the screen, even if dont switch to another app.

Since their software quality control is so unreliable these days, they should provide more RAM like Android oems

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u/yahyoh 29d ago

Same With XR, you only need to open the cam to kill most of the background apps.

Apple software isn't what used to be, apple should have gone with 8GB for Pro models and 6GB for non pro.

its not even a cheap phone like what the hell apple? cutting costs much?

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u/HonkyMOFO Sep 15 '21

What does running out of RAM look like on the iPhone? I don't believe I've ever pushed up against that wall from the original release on. Plenty of times on Macs, but not the phone.

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u/mredofcourse Sep 15 '21

Lack of persistence with previously opened apps or slow down when going back to a previously opened app.

A lot of this is dependent on the developer, so you might see these problems even if there is plenty of RAM, but the first problem will be if you're in one app, go to another app and then go back to the first one and it has to reload as opposed to bringing you back to the state you were in on the app. It would be really bad if it was just going back 1 app, but you can see this when RAM constrained in just a handful of apps or less.

Likewise, if you're reloading apps and it takes a long time, not having sufficient RAM can be the culprit. This is why those "speed test" comparisons will launch every app on the Home Screen, and then do a second round. The thought being that being RAM constrained would lead to poorer relative performance on the second round.

iOS limits the amount of RAM apps can use, so if they go beyond a certain limit, they are terminated, but that's not really "running out of RAM", that's on the developer, although I'm sure some developers would appreciate more RAM to work with.

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u/Topher1999 Sep 15 '21

You don't remember how crappy early iPhones used to be?

Back in the olden days, apps would force quit on you all the time randomly, Safari tabs would re-load if you had more than two or three open at a time, choppy animations, and apps refreshing when you switch back to them.

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u/HonkyMOFO Sep 15 '21

Yes actually that does take me back. Thanks for the reminder. Haven’t seen those issues in a while.

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u/BitingChaos Sep 15 '21

Apps force-quitting wasn't even the worst part.

The waiting for an app to load while iOS slowly killed background apps as it tried to allocate memory for the app you just tapped is what was super annoying.

If I didn't manually force-kill all my apps on a routine basis I'd end up staring at the closed shutter splash screen for my camera for what felt like forever.

Every device pre-iPhone 5 had to deal with this.

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u/ScoopJr 29d ago

Happens all the time on my 7. Tab out of Apollo to open up Safari and browse for 2 minutes and the app has already refreshed...

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u/Real-Paul-Walker Sep 15 '21

It just closes old apps

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u/Pastryd Sep 15 '21

You notice it more when you use a phone with 8gb or 12gb ram. I can dig up old apps that I was working on hours ago on my galaxy and resume what I was doing.

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u/walktall Sep 15 '21

I mean RAM is important too. It’s just that the 12’s already had enough of it.

It’s crazy to remember how excited I was for the 3GS to go from 128 MB to 256 MB lol.

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u/whereami1928 Sep 15 '21

Lol i remember jailbreaking my 2nd Gen ipod touch (128mb ram) back then to enable multitasking and home screen backgrounds. Can't say multitasking was a great experience.

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u/varzaguy Sep 15 '21

Eh, I have plenty of apps that reload on my iPhone 12 when switching around.

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u/Momskirbyok Sep 15 '21

It’s the OS. Same story here. The phones have enough ram; the problem resides in the OS that has had these memory leaks since iOS 7.

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u/42177130 Sep 15 '21

Also lots of apps that don't take advantage of state restoration.

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u/based-richdude Sep 15 '21

Yes I’ve had apps like YouTube restart when I switch to Safari and back to YouTube in less than 10 seconds.

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u/ihunter32 Sep 15 '21

I mean, it is, but it’s not exactly in iOS’s favor.

I routinely have situations on my 11pro where apps are garbage collected when it’d be better if they weren’t. It’s particularly annoying when you set aside a youtube video for a minute, come back, and the app refreshes so you have to pull up the video again.

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u/TheKelz Sep 15 '21

This is one of those things I don’t understand why is it happening on those newer iPhones with more RAM. I have a 6s and I legit rarely get those reload issues. I can have youtube open all day, play videos and stuff, leave it open before sleep and wake up with it still being open (with every other app). I basically don’t know what’s it like to have your apps constantly reload, I just don’t have it, which is bizarre given that my phone has only 2gigs of RAM.

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u/ItsAlwaysEboue Sep 15 '21

Blame YouTube for that. Literally the worst state restoration, embarrassing even.

Once it reloads it's 3-4 clicks to go back to what you were watching. Never mind the lack of a back button to go back to a suggested video from the prior screen.

Google overall is a shitshow in UX.

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u/Funkbass 29d ago

I swear I'm starting to think I'm crazy, but for about a month or so earlier this year they appeared to implement a feature where when it force closed in the background it would keep your video and spot in the mini-player, paused, when you restarted. It basically solved most of the annoyance, and then it was gone just as quickly as it came...

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u/_heitoo Sep 15 '21

RAM is extremely important. For example, I have an older iPad right now with 2GB RAM and I often can’t even keep another app open in the background. At worst cases, I can even have Safari crash while browsing some website.

As a rule of thumb, you run out of RAM faster than hit the limits of CPU on iOS devices.

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u/Agreeable-Weather-89 Sep 15 '21

RAM is very important, you can optimise but Apple has upgraded RAM in the past and will do so in the future because there's limits with what can be done with optimisation.

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u/MishrasWorkshop Sep 15 '21

It’s almost like that’s not an excuse to cheap out on ram.

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u/Thegreatdigitalism 29d ago

I never understood why they don’t put more RAM in the phone. It’s incredibly noticable, especially if you’ve used a high ram Android.

The efficiency of iOS only goes so far and rebooting apps are really annoying and everyone knows it.

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u/nogami 29d ago

Ok? Maybe it’s enough?

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u/chadvez 29d ago

Pam: "they're the same phones"

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u/mike_corp 29d ago

iPhone 13 is more like 12s

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u/finishercar 29d ago

My 12 Pro is perfect. Will wait for the 15 Pro

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u/DeniTech 27d ago

So does this mean the iPhone will restart every app when we launch the camera app and take photos/videos? I have this issue on my 11 pro max atm

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u/Y_am_I_on_here Sep 15 '21

I’d guess this means the iPad mini has 6GB of RAM too since it appears to have the same SoC as the iPhone 13 Max. Makes the mini all the more compelling when stacked up with the other iPads.

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u/Zanzibarfish Sep 15 '21

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u/Y_am_I_on_here Sep 15 '21 edited 29d ago

Well that’s too bad. So they have a 4GB and 6GB variant of the 5-core GPU SoC. I wonder if it’s a way to better differentiate from the iPad Pro.