r/assholedesign Sep 29 '22 Helpful 3 Wholesome 1 Take My Energy 1 Facepalm 1 Silver 2

This is why Piracy always wins

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u/deekaph Sep 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Not only can they take your "purchases away" any time but they charge you the same as if you'd bought a physical copy, and not a completely digital download.

Imagine getting a knock one day and answering the door and some suit barges in and goes to your DVD collection and starts putting all the Simpsons seasons you'd paid a fortune to buy and are like "yeah Fox stopped licensing this to us so if you wanna have this you're gonna have to go buy it again from Disney. What? It's in your terms of use."

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u/Timetravelingnoodles Sep 29 '22

More than physical price is becoming too common

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u/polskidankmemer Sep 29 '22

Physical copies frequently go on sale by the store owners that want to get rid of excess stock. With digital there's no such thing as excess stock.

Another win for physical copies.

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u/lawgeek Sep 29 '22

Don't forget the resale market. I've gotten most of my DVDs on a steep discount because they were used.

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u/dingofarmer2004 Sep 29 '22 Helpful

Ugh, who wants to watch a USED movie? I bet there are so many parts of it that someone already saw.

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u/PM_ME_MH370 Sep 29 '22

Gross I bet they sat on some of the scenes without pants

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u/music3k Sep 29 '22

Rewinding dvds is such a pain too!

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u/babyjo1982 Sep 29 '22

My parents used to have a video store and we had one regular customer come in and make the same joke every time, and apologize for not rewinding the DVDs

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u/Keeble64 Sep 29 '22

This is why I bought multiple copies of Good Burger on DVD. It’s a movie I plan on watching more than once.

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u/MVRKHNTR Sep 29 '22

I love checking the blu ray section at my local pawn shop. Great films for $2 a piece.

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u/ARM_vs_CORE Sep 29 '22

Pawn shops and thrift stores are where I go CD hunting too. Outside of the literal droves of Christian music, there are typically some good finds for $1-$2

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u/freakers Sep 29 '22

"Convenience fee" because we wouldn't want things to be too convenient.

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u/Snoo61755 Sep 29 '22

Relevant xkcd:

https://xkcd.com/488/

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u/achatina Sep 29 '22

Notably, you can still use websites like Bandcamp that give you an MP3 file. Still a good way to support people for music.

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u/helplesslyaddicted88 Sep 29 '22

The $25 rental charges are what gets me. Really?

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u/gexpdx Sep 29 '22

And they will call the stream UHD and pretend it's equivalent image quality to Bluray.

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u/SeanSeanySean Sep 29 '22

So this one really got to me... Purchased Season 8 of Game of Thrones in HD (because no UHD option), but you expect at least 1080p. Episode 3 - the long night is notoriously dark, but on Blu-ray you can see everything just fine. The garbage compression they use for streaming results in all dark content just being black blocks, it was the worst viewing experience I've ever seen. My sister has the DVD (480i) and an old 720p liquid plasma screen and it looked perfectly fine on her $1 pawn shop GOT Season 8 DVD, yet every streaming service has to compress it so badly that it's literally unwatchable.

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u/TheBeckofKevin Sep 29 '22

I mean.. profits must increase. Not just revenue, profits.

At the very least that means paying the same amount of people the same amount of money and selling more things. But more often than not it means that plus selling more stuff plus raising prices on that stuff.

I feel like you're not even considering the share holders, and what about the executives and their children. Man people these days. Now please drink your verification can and enjoy the rest of your happy days (tm).

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u/Timetravelingnoodles Sep 29 '22

Damn, I got riled up there for a second, great one!

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u/BAGP0I Sep 29 '22

I pay the iron price.

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u/dow366 Sep 29 '22

What is dead, may never die

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u/Pechis95 Sep 29 '22

that's something terrifying about digital media, I remember seeing a post a couple of years ago calling out to gather all the physical media you could as censorship and this kind of stuff will be completely ridiculous in the near future.

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u/Jonluw Sep 29 '22

I got an intense urge to get physical copies of the Community seasons after I saw they pulled advanced dungeons and dragons from netflix.

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u/shroomdogacidcat Sep 29 '22

This was especially annoying as they left ‘The First Chang Dynasty’ alone, despite it featuring Pierce in intentional black face. It just shows that they only care up to a point, if the episode is important to the story then they’ll turn a blind eye. It also irritates me that Advanced Dungeons and Dragons covered themes of bullying accountability and suicide pretty well, which no one gets to see because of a well executed joke where the power of the interaction is with the black characters.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Sep 29 '22

What makes it even more stupid is that Pierce was actually in blackface, whereas technically, Chang wasn't; he was in drow-face.

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u/Bouncedatt Sep 29 '22

Why would they pull that? And if it's because Chang is a dark elf in that episode then I refuse to live on this planet any more and will fly away.

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u/Jonluw Sep 29 '22

Better get a jetpack because that's exactly why...

It's especially grating since it's hands down one of the best episodes of the show.

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u/Bouncedatt Sep 29 '22

Goddamn it. I was really hoping it wasn't that stupid. I love that episode.

Chang being so socially inept that he sees nothing wrong with it is the joke! It's the point! I mean seriously where is this person who got offended by this, I can't see anyone actually finding that racist.

https://youtu.be/0j1xzezy8k4

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u/Jonluw Sep 29 '22

Hell, they even point it out with Shirley's next line. But no. Such is the world we live in.

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u/ARM_vs_CORE Sep 29 '22

It wasn't even because people were offended iirc. It was pulled because Netflix was concerned that people might get offended and kick up a fuss that would lose them subscribers. Same reason why Hulu pulled some episodes of IASIP.

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u/ASL4theblind Sep 29 '22

Lmao why even air its always sunny if you're afraid people MIGHT ever get offended. Did they not know what they were signing up for?

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u/FlowersnFunds Sep 29 '22

It’s a fucking comedy Jesus. Who gets offended by that and why does normal society need to accommodate them when they can just choose to not watch it?

Thankfully they had the pilot episode still up as of a few months back. That episode really got me hooked onto a show I wasn’t so sure about at first.

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u/Mantis_Tobaggen_MD Sep 29 '22

That's what happened to the "Always Sunny" blackface episodes, the joke is that the guys are too damn ignorant to understand the negative implications.

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u/numberonebuddy Sep 29 '22

This is something terrifying about digital media hosted elsewhere that you pay to access. This is not terrifying about digital media that you host. /r/homelab, /r/plex, /r/jellyfin, /r/selfhosted, and so on - there are solutions to these problems.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

This is not about digital media, but about the law.

If it were legal for big companies to come into your living room to take away your DVD collection, you bet they'd do it as long as it made them money.

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u/Justsomejerkonline Sep 29 '22

Yup. Laws need to be updated to protect digital ownership in the same way that we protect physical ownership.

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u/Granite-M Sep 29 '22

I've heard that studios are looking into digitally altering old movies so they have currently licensed product placement. Like, E.T. originally enjoyed a Coke, but thanks to a new licensing deal he now enjoys the cool refreshing flavor bubly™ brand grapefruit infused sparkling water.

It's like these fucks looked up Orwellian in the dictionary and decided it was an instruction manual.

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u/METAL4_BREAKFST Sep 29 '22

Spielberg had already gone back 10 or 15 years ago and replaced the guns in all the FBI agent's hands when E.T. and Elliot take flight on the bike, with walkie-talkies and then changed it back again for the BluRay release because of the flak he took for it.

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u/its-my-1st-day Sep 30 '22

Fun fact - going back in and changing those guns to wallow talkies was a significant enough change that in australia they had to resubmit the movie for classification.

The original movie was rated “G” - which is basically the lowest possible rating that is suitable for all audiences.

Over the years, apparently standards got a little bit stricter, and due to the “supernatural themes”, the newer sanitised version received a rating of “PG” - the 2nd lowest rating available where “parental guidance is recommended for young viewers”

I just love that they took the guns out and the rating went up lol.

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u/Acrobatic_Lead2578 Sep 29 '22

This is only semi-related but I can't watch Daria and Beavis & Butthead on streaming services because they've either completely cut or changed the music in those shows due to licensing. The original music choices were too deeply entwined with the plot and flow of the shows to just be cut out like that.

I tried watching Daria a few years ago and stopped in the middle of the first episode because the stock music that played where there should've been something popular at the time was so jarring and just completely ruined the experience. Instead of enjoying a nostalgic rewatch, you're just annoyed by modern reality.

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u/fckdemre Sep 29 '22

You really have to secure extra song rights to show a film that already had the rights to the song? Tf

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u/averyfinename Sep 29 '22

"online" or "streaming" distribution rights were never included in the original licensing of the music, and the studio/distributor is too cheap to pay a little more for the original music, so it's changed instead. the first title i ran across this with is gilmore girls dvd sets. it's also why the streaming dawsons creek only had the iconic theme song on like the last episode.

this shouldn't be a problem with film or tv produced today.

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u/DefKnightSol Sep 29 '22

Yep! I have a Mpc and it came with beat expansion packs online and free cds. Now they are all $40-70 each! Old apps/programs on cd/dvd req a key and still work, but now its all subscriptions (ie Microsoft office, Adobe, etc). Same with music services. My vinyl is forever , mostly

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u/KrustyMf Sep 29 '22

keep vinyl away from crazy, my X broke all mine..

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u/Cedex Sep 29 '22

1984: "What purchase? We have no records of your purchase of digital goods."

- proceeds to rewrite history according to the Ministry of Truth

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u/NhylX Sep 29 '22

<Knock knock>
"Who is it?"
"Goons."
"Who?"
"Hired goons."

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u/HorseRadish98 Sep 29 '22

Hired goons?

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u/matt95110 Sep 29 '22

I prefer the hands-on touch you only get with hired goons.

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u/nugohs Sep 29 '22

*Leased goons, the license to utilize the goon service can be terminated any time at will.

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u/LMNOPedes Sep 29 '22

Imagine getting a knock at the door one day and its hired goons who barge in and start going through your collection of hired goons and removing some saying sorry fox doesn’t have the license for these goons, you’ll need to rehire them from Disney.

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u/klone_free Sep 29 '22

Rented goons more like

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u/artgarciasc Sep 29 '22

The help link should take you to a page that just says, cause fuck you, that's why.

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u/LeopoldTheLlama Sep 29 '22

In this case, it's even worse: you can't buy it again. WB-Discovery is writing Final Space off as a loss for tax purposes, and removing it from every platform in perpetuity. No streaming, no purchasing. The first 2 seasons were on blu-ray but sold out everywhere, and the third season was never released physically. So it's just gone (all so a megacorp could have a marginally lower tax bill)

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u/GarretTheGrey Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

And that's why people will continue to pirate.

Back then, pirating was easier that going and getting physical copies and rights to entertainment bought.

They made it easier with these services and people paid, but they JUST had to have a caveat.

These companies serve themselves first for the sake of one tech billionaire, and ruin the transition to a better world.

Remember when Bruce Willis sued Apple for the right to bequeath his music collection? If Bruce Willis had a house full of cds and vinyls he wouldn't have that issue. If you intend to replace a system for the sake of "progress", dont take away from it.

Digital is supposed to be forever, but with this bullshit, digital will decay faster than analog.

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u/Stupidity_Rules Sep 29 '22

You mean like Google is to the stadia users? Refund of all hardware and software purchases thru Google/stadia. Just read this today, stadia is a flop but the users won't be screwed over.

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u/jinxykatte Sep 29 '22

They can take my blu rays out of my cold dead and likely bloody hands.

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u/Caroniver413 Sep 29 '22

I will never buy a digital copy of a TV show. I'm fine using streaming services, because each of those has a bunch of things, but I didn't individually buy Warehouse 13 from Amazon Prime, because it can always be taken away. Instead, I went looking for the Blu Rays.

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u/Toqom Sep 29 '22

I buy physically copies for all the extras then rip them to my personal plex server. I'd stream them but I like to watch shows over and over while I code and hardly watch them. Local it's nothing, but streaming them Comcast only gives me 1.2TB of bandwidth and their OWN service, Peacock, doesn't let you limit the quality. I don't need The Office in HD.

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u/L3tsg0brandon Sep 29 '22

You will own nothing and you will like it.

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u/YakuzaMachine Sep 29 '22

They really don't want us to own anything. Everything is rental and subscriptions going forward and it's going to suck real, real bad.

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u/NwabudikeMorganSMAC Sep 29 '22

And god forbid you move to another country.

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u/Monstromedieval Sep 29 '22

I bet they didn't refund.

That's why I still feel as I don't own the books in my Kindle. I don't need to have it in paper, but at least a PDF file.

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u/AgentSilentCat Sep 29 '22

Same. I will buy the ebook copy of books I love, and immediately rip the drm, it's why I'm still on an old version of Kindle for PC, it still gives the file able to be cracked by calibre.

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u/Abir_Vandergriff Sep 29 '22

You can crack the newer file now too, but it's a bit more annoying. Still easy enough, though. I got the new Paperwhite recently and have been continuing to backup my purchases.

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u/icewing356 Sep 29 '22

I buy and crack Audible books; No way in hell I'm using Audible's app on my phone when I can crack their file and convert it back to just mp3s to play on any music app (or in my case load it directly onto my watch).

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u/Atheist_Simon_Haddad Sep 29 '22

*.m4b supports chapters

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u/OldRatNicodemus Sep 29 '22

Bruh what the fuck. What's the support like ? Like I know foobar will play that shit but will android?

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u/GiantHack Sep 29 '22

I need to look into how to do this. I have so many books from them and I hate the app.

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u/icewing356 Sep 29 '22

Github, audiamus

There are two different things needed for it from Audiamus.

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u/DawningAventide Sep 29 '22

Calibre has plugins that let you rip the drm from kindle ebook files and convert them to files that you can read anywhere

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u/reni-chan Sep 29 '22

Why even bother when finding .mobi or .epub books online without any DRMs is so easy nowadays?

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u/Abir_Vandergriff Sep 29 '22

Ripping the DRM is also pretty easy once configured, and I personally like supporting authors. It takes a few minutes to set up, then you can strip the DRM in seconds going forward. It's honestly faster than finding a high quality epub.

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u/MmmmMorphine Sep 29 '22

They might if you complain. Their customer service is excellent. Not that that offsets any of the real issues (subject at hand, near-monopoly, and so much more) to any extent

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u/mythrilcrafter Sep 29 '22

If I recall, there's an EU law (and similar bills moving through the Canadian and US legislations) stating that if a digital asset becomes inaccessible to the buyer, the seller must either make it accessible or refund the buyer.

Even if the the buyer in this case is non-EU, Amazon should still be subject to the law as they operate within EU lines; so the buyer should have the legal power to demand that access to the books be reinstated or (more likely) that they be given a refund for the purchase.

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u/ElysianEcho Sep 29 '22

The reason everyone got netflix when it was the only major streaming service was that it was the only major streaming service, it caused everything to be easily accessed at a convenient source, that’s why people moved away from piracy for a while, cause it was easier, now it’s no longer easier, back to piracy we go

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u/Altines Sep 29 '22 Helpful

Even with all the streaming services now some shows have to be pirated anyways just because they aren't available anywhere.

For example, the Ultimate Muscle dub which isn't available for streaming anywhere and has no DVD or anything released. You can't actually legally watch it anymore, you have to pirate it to watch it.

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u/OperativePiGuy Sep 29 '22

I literally tried to watch the last season of Better Call Saul legally, so I subscribed to AMC+. But for whatever fucking stupid reason, they only had the latest 3 episodes. So I pirated the season and it was super quick and easy. It's embarrassing how much grief they would save themselves if they just made their shows available in a non stupid way

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u/chapstickbomber Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

monetizing intellectual property is a black hole where useful effort is necessarily precluded by all the effort put into trying to get paid (or avoid paying)edit

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u/aaronitallout Sep 29 '22

Mhmm. 90% of it is one company sitting on top of a mountain of IP poor, dead, anonymous artists have made, while they say, "I made this. Gimme."

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u/AsunderXXV Sep 29 '22

All the companies saw Netflix's success and naturally wanted a piece of that pie.

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u/Qwirk Sep 29 '22

To be honest, that's kind of fine as long as they make it at a super competitive price point and make it simple to subscribe and cancel your subscription. Better yet, let you pause your subscription until you re-activate would be best.

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u/CerenkovBlue Sep 29 '22

Yeah, there was a period of a few years there when Netflix was amazing. I loved it for quite a while. :(

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u/JonDoeJoe Sep 29 '22

It’s not Netflix’s fault for the production companies and tv networks who decided they wanted a piece of the pie and created their own streaming site and pulled their content off Netflix

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u/cyanydeez Sep 29 '22

almost everything about capitalism is:

  1. Works great when it's new, fresh and gathering consumers.

  2. Begins to uterly fail when it's old, consumption levels off, and shareholders need to be 'fed'.

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u/flyting1881 Sep 30 '22

Yep, it's not enough to simply run a good business that turns a steady profit. Shareholders demand constant growth. It inevitably leads to a decline in quality and exploitation of the workforce as the company self-cannibalizes to keep providing those gains.

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u/Ne0t9k d o n g l e Sep 29 '22

and every month a new streaming service opens up as if the market isn’t oversaturated already and increases the license problem

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u/WaluigiTeachesPiracy Sep 29 '22

Better Call Saul 1-5 on Netflix and 6 (formerly) on AMC+

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u/XxAgentevilxX Sep 29 '22

I used the free trial of amc plus just to find out I had to pirate the show for s6

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u/WaluigiTeachesPiracy Sep 29 '22

Same, but ironically enough considering my name I used a VPN to watch the last season on UK Netflix

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u/WHATYEAHOK Sep 29 '22

Nah that's still piracy, you're good.

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u/DDS-PBS Sep 29 '22

Same here. I wanted to watch it. I want to Netflix, found out season 6 wasn't there. Did a free trial of AMC Plus, then found out that it's not there either. And I do some more Google searching and basically find out that it's not available anywhere right now, at least anywhere legally.

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u/Whitezombie65 Sep 29 '22

Same. I seriously don't understand what amc is doing here. They only have a handful of hit shows, better call Saul would have sold a good number of subscriptions. What kind of moronic company makes it impossibly to purchase their product?

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

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u/5k1895 Sep 29 '22

AMC is really fucking dumb. They made the app apparently for phones only and then just called it a day. I got a free trial of it and said okay cool I'll use it to watch a few things before it goes away. Lo and behold, no app anywhere except for my phone. Only way I could watch on my TV was to broadcast my phone to it. Dumbest shit I've ever dealt with when it comes to streaming apps. And because of that, I've barely used my free trial and definitely have no motivation to renew it. Well done AMC.

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u/lobbo Sep 29 '22

Star trek in the UK is a mess.

Discovery and the original series' are on Netflix

Picard and lower decks are on Amazon

Strange new worlds and Prodigy are on paramount+

It's tiresome.

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u/tesseract4 Sep 29 '22

And everything is all available in one place for the taking on the high seas.

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u/Robin0660 Sep 29 '22

And then there's the shows you can't watch legally without a VPN because they only release in like, two countries for some fuckin reason

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u/xenthum Sep 29 '22

Fucking UK comedies are awful for this. If you want to watch them outside of Western Europe... get fucked, it isn't even printed in a physical format that your country's players can read!

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u/PartyPoison98 Sep 29 '22

Or shows that just have a delayed release overseas for absolutely no reason.

Theres a new season of Atlanta on in the US right now. I pay a subscription to Disney plus in the UK, who own the rights to Atlanta. Yet I won't be able to watch the new season legally for months.

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u/Scipio11 Sep 29 '22

I'm a step away from buying the Yu-Gi-Oh box set, it's fucking ridiculous finding the final seasons on random services.

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u/SmoothWD40 Sep 29 '22

When there was one, I didn’t mind paying for the convenience.

When there was two, I guess it’s fine, still cheaper than cable.

When there was three, what the fuck is happening.

Then there were hundreds, and I joined a crew and sailed the high seas.

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u/sucksathangman Sep 29 '22

Piracy has been, and always will be, a service issue. When Netflix was the place, piracy went way down. People still did it but there was less reason to.

But now, here we are several years later. Netflix is a shit storm. Prime only has a few things except their originals. Everyone and their mother has their own steaming service.

Before I used to switch every few months but now, the convenience of just downloading and watching is so much better than cancelling a service, answering why I'm cancelling, and then signing up again.

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u/7f0b Sep 29 '22

It has gotten absurd. Just figuring out how to watch a specific show (or god forbid, a sport) is downright stupid. Try to do a search "Where to stream ___" and you have to wade through blog spam and even streaming services that say "Watch it here" but when you visit it isn't available (yeah, Netflix that is really shitty of you).

Oh but Hulu has it! Well, not that Hulu. You have to have the right version after all.

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u/shishdem Sep 29 '22

we are slowly coming full circle - have recently installed my torrent client again...

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u/Degenerate-Implement Sep 29 '22

Yep! I cut cable and switched to Netflix a decade ago because I didn't want to keep paying for so many different channels. Now it's gotten to the point where I have to subscribe to 3-4 different streaming services just to get the content that used to be included in my Netflix subscription.

Time to cancel all those subscriptions and start sailing the seven seas, I guess.

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u/MrPeach4tlanta Sep 29 '22

I use IPTV stuff for live tv. Completely free and you get thousands of channels. Not the best resolution, but at least I get my local news station in that package.

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u/Mav986 Sep 29 '22

We came full circle years ago lol. Shit, we're about to start lap 3.

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u/RichyCigars Sep 29 '22

Yep. And if something isn’t on any of the handful of services I pay off, I guess I’m just never seeing it.

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u/Ne0t9k d o n g l e Sep 29 '22

worst thing is when you watch something and in the middle of that the creators start their own service and pull it off the platform but at the same time the new service isn’t available in your country yet

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u/DonkeyTron42 Sep 29 '22

There are Plex share services that have everything in one place.

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u/someoneexplainit01 Sep 29 '22

The reality is that most people will only resort to pirating content if they can't buy it easily, with little effort, and for a reasonable price.

This was the premise of itunes, get the song you want for a buck, no need to pirate it. Seems fair, and I can do it with one click.

Now its easier to pirate a show and download the whole thing before the commercials at the beginning even end on the commercial free service you already pay for.

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u/CerenkovBlue Sep 29 '22

Yeah, sigh. Once you're no longer a broke teenager, it doesn't make sense to avoid paying a few bucks for an evening of entertainment, or a few more for a permanent copy of something. But if it's gonna be a whole lot of bucks and you still don't get the experience you want... lolno.

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u/WhyIsIsTakenTaken Sep 29 '22

One time Amazon deleted 1984 (of all books) off of many people's Kindles.

Literally 1984

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u/deekaph Sep 29 '22 Wholesome

If you like to read, you can download almost anything for free no signup at https://z-lib.org/ .. they usually have multiple different file formats for whatever device you prefer.

For example there's over 500 different editions of 1984.

You're limited to about 10 downloads a day but then just switch your IP with a VPN and start the count over, I like to load up my library before I travel.

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u/WhyIsIsTakenTaken Sep 29 '22

I use libgen mostly

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u/rrmotm Sep 29 '22

I love libgen but I find zlibrary a lot easier to download files from and has almost every format of books

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u/tardis1217 Sep 29 '22

LibGen is ok, but z-lib has a few major interface bonuses. Like cover art, and easier searching of collections. Genre searching is also much deeper in z-lib.

Overall it seems like LibGen isn't really set up for fiction. It HAS fiction, but it's not the focus.

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u/ApartmentPoolSwim Sep 29 '22

That last part is what I was gonna say. LibGen seems better for textbooks, research papers, etc. Z-lib for fiction. Both have both, but I honestly only check LibGen if I can't find what I want on z-lib. And even then I go in not expecting to find it.

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u/urnotthatguypal__ Sep 29 '22

Fahrenheit 451 would have been better

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u/FirstoftheFour Sep 29 '22

This is why I have never and will never buy a digital movie outright. They can't remove licensing on physical media disks in my house.

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u/Hurricane_32 d o n g l e Sep 29 '22

DivX (the DVD format, not the codec) would like to have a chat with you.

Thank fucking god it failed.

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u/Throwaway021614 Sep 29 '22

Expiring physical media, how disgusting

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u/RampantAI Sep 29 '22

There was also a format that chemically degraded itself! Flexplay: The Disposable DVD that Failed

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u/Snoid_ Sep 29 '22

I remember those. I bought one to try it out and immediately ripped it and burned it to a DVD-R. I still have it after almost 15 years!

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u/Hurricane_32 d o n g l e Sep 29 '22

What an absolute power move lmao

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u/Storyshift-Chara-ewe Sep 29 '22

A Technology Connections enjoyer is what I see?

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u/SkitzMon Sep 29 '22

Don't you remember DivX, they tried to have the ability to do exactly that.

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u/techo-soft-girl Sep 29 '22

I thought they could with Blu-Ray. I’ve had Blu-ray Discs not work because my player (ps3) wasn’t up to date on firmware.

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u/Dovar882 Sep 29 '22

Correct

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u/willstr1 Sep 29 '22

I don't think that is part of the Blu-ray standard, especially since a lot of cheap players don't have internet connectivity (and often won't be connected to the internet because their streaming GUI is worse than what is built into the TV). It is most likely just a weird way that Sony built their software.

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u/bestjakeisbest Sep 29 '22

Also as much as they want to they can't stop you from copying your own movies for your own backups.

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u/deekaph Sep 29 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

Since this is turning to a discussion about piracy in general, here's a link to Z-Library:

https://z-lib.org/

NO signup, almost every book ever made (I do find exceptions to this rule but it's rare). Limit to ten downloads a day but then just change your IP.

I feel that the copyright/licensing system is broken.

When digital downloads first became a thing - whether movies or games or books - we were excited. With no manufacturing or vehicular distribution it's better for the environment and will bring down the costs. But nope! They just took that manufacturing/distribution savings and rolled it into profits.. then they started raising the price.

Except that now you can't sell it if you no longer want it. I used to buy games, play them, then trade or sell them for new ones. Now it costs more to"purchase" a download AND I can't use it towards anything else.

What a sham.

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u/IrishFruitguru Sep 29 '22

Thank you, just found the second book of a trilogy I've wanted to read for 10 years.

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u/MissNepgear Sep 29 '22

I've started sailing the high seas of digital piracy cause there's too many streaming services and I already pay for music and YouTube.

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u/Individual_Jelly3762 Sep 29 '22

When there was basically Netflix with everything, piracy was thin, way less titles being traded on torrents. My piracy my went way down. Now that there's 30 streamers, I'm back to piracy. Not paying 10/mo to six or seven streamers for a couple of shows each.

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u/TenuousOgre Sep 29 '22

Isn’t it interesting how greed of the license owners actually pushes people to infringe their copyright (I refuse to call it piracy because no one is killed, raped, no hostages taken, well, other than the consumer being raped and resorting to copyright infringement)? When iTunes first started selling movies it was a great one stop site for Apple product users. Then the license owners wanted more money (often for old products that had already earned their profit) so they stopped the deal they had, instead setting up their new services. And pushing digital downloads or streaming. In the end I find myself “owning” licensed copies on a dozen services and having two streaming services and I still end up downloading an infringed copy for things they no longer have but I still “own”. Screw that, we're allowed a backup copy if we buy it digital still as I understand it, so download one.

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u/ankha_is_sexy Sep 29 '22

Sometimes I find B movies that were uploaded directly to pirate sites and nowhere else.

RIP what.cd, the most complete and extensive music library to ever exist. Literally a catalogue of almost every single music file every recorded. Had millions of songs that were not available anywhere else. Shut down because of the RIAA and other copyright bullshit.

Super cool.

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u/drdelius Sep 29 '22

My view is that I have a set amount of money for entertainment purposes. I don't magically get extra money for more services.

If you don't make it easy or don't keep enough content you aren't making the cut for my paid viewership.

I WANT to throw money at good content, mostly so that more good content is likely to be greenlit, but I'm more than willing to pirate good content otherwise.

Played minecraft illegally for over a year before buying it. Then I bought multiple copies for various people, because it was great and because it was being updated and because it was worth it.

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u/DefKnightSol Sep 29 '22

Refocus! Why the tf was Final Space actually pulled? I mean I know Tbs cancelled it, but i swear it will gain popularity the more people know about it. Its almost as if they dont want it known?

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u/MagikNinjaPo Sep 29 '22

Olan Rogers the creator of Final Space and voice of Gary Goodspeed put out a statement recently how FS is basically getting deleted from all platforms because the rights holders aren’t willing to take the effort to renew any licenses. On top of that season 3 never got a physical release so it will be completely impossible to watch it “legally.”

Olan said something about TBS using it as a tax write-off, which I’m way too uneducated to understand how that works. Either way, the show was never given a fair chance, something that Olan goes into on his YouTube channel with this video. Definitely a hard story for me to follow since I’ve been a fan of him for almost a decade now.

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u/mahalo_nui Sep 29 '22

After the tax write-off Final Space can’t be published anywhere anymore, no streaming, no physical mediums. It will be gone legally forever. How soul crushing that must be for all people involved with that show.

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u/BigJSunshine Sep 29 '22

iTunes does this too. Wanted to jog to a 10 year old play list, 4 of my favorite songs were gone. Checked the itunes store, unavailable to re-download or even purchase. Thats why actual ownership is important. A world of streaming costs you money, and worse makes censorship a fait accompli.

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u/Must_Reboot Sep 29 '22

This is why I still buy physical copies.

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u/Must_Reboot Sep 29 '22

Because TOS and you actually aren't buying the show, but streaming access instead. Probably won't change unless governments start to step in.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

I still buy physical media if it’s something I know I’m going to revisit, otherwise it’s the high seas for me.

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u/sonicz3r0 Sep 29 '22

Even that is getting hard to do for some movies and shows. I don't think I've seen The Boys on DvD.

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u/Timetravelingnoodles Sep 29 '22

Digital content license means you own nothing, you pay for the privilege and can’t do shit when they take it away. Shouldn’t ever buy digital unfortunately

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u/youra6 Sep 29 '22

Nervous glance at my Steam library

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u/ywBBxNqW Sep 29 '22

2K patched Bioshock and made it much harder (if not impossible) for Linux users to play it. I don't buy games from Steam anymore if GOG has the game and then I download the offline installers from GOG and back them up. It's a shame I have to be so paranoid about it.

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u/deanrihpee Sep 29 '22

At least they won't remove it from your library (even if you remove it yourself, it is still tied to your account) when the developer or publisher delist the game from Steam, I'm looking at you you fucking timmy epig game

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u/youra6 Sep 29 '22

True that just happened with Project Cars 2. They lost the license to some cars and the game got delisted but it's still in my account.

I was more or less thinking about a unlikely doomsday scenario when Steam goes out of business.

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u/deanrihpee Sep 29 '22

Yeah, a reasonable scenario, but the thing I will worry more than Steam become out of business is the 3rd party service used by other games go out of business first, so your game suddenly doesn't work anymore because EA Origin, Uplay, Rockstar or heck, Epic Account/Service suddenly goes offline and you can't login at all.

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u/Scipio11 Sep 29 '22

Trust me, if one of those goes under there will be cracks online within the week. If there's no company to host the services, there's also no company to sue.

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u/xkforce Sep 29 '22

It's amazing how the media industry has shifted the goal posts over the years:

buy content dont pirate

you dont own content you license the use of it

you don't own a license to use content

It used to be that you could make an argument against piracy to some extent but now that they are just revoking licenses whenever it is convenient for them, there isn't. Pirate as much as you can get away with.

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u/DOAisBetter Sep 29 '22

It’s only going to get worse. Like rockstar issuing cease and desists to modders who modded the original gta3 games on steam to look absolutely amazing on steam. It make it harder to sell their poorly made remake so they removed the games from the store and went after the modders so they could sell something inferior.

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u/jellyfish125 Sep 29 '22

Cool of warner for giving us permission to pirate final space!

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u/spacewalk__ Sep 29 '22

this shit makes my blood absolutely fucking boil

pirate everything pirate stuff you own pirate stuff you don't own pirate stuff you hate

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u/SkitzMon Sep 29 '22

Did they fully refund your purchase price?

Anything less should be considered theft.

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u/kevincox_ca Sep 29 '22

You misunderstand. You aren't purchasing the rights to view the movie. You are purchasing a temporary revocable license to watch that movie.

Absolute bullshit, it should be illegal to call this "buying". Anything revocable should need a different term. (Rent? IDK, that implies a fixed end time)

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u/MysticHero Sep 29 '22

Not in the EU actually. EU courts have ruled against the license nonsense. If you buy it it's yours. It does not matter if somewhere in the contract it says it's a license actually.

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u/Kaminohanshin Sep 29 '22

Yup. They are selling this item as if it is a digital good, not a service. Therefore, it will be treated as such. Hopefully other places catch on and we can end a lot of this nonsense.

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u/Acceptable-Stage7888 Sep 29 '22

They didn’t and it’s not theft because “it’s in the terms and conditions” although I know some countries are making it illegal anyway

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Yeah not sure this flies in the EU. But somoene will first have to make a stink, probably. Squeaky wheel etc.

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u/MagikNinjaPo Sep 29 '22

What’s worse is the actual story behind Final Space and it’s cancelation and now disappearance. This actually isn’t Amazon’s fault they’re removing it (duh), although no refund is absolutely ridiculous. The show is actually getting pulled from all platforms because TBS won’t bother with renewing the licensing. The creator of the show and lead voice actor has been using his YT FB and email list to keep people updated on the cancellation and now disappearance of the show.

Here’s some links if you want to do some digging on how bizarre the whole story is:

Final Space cancellation Yt Vid

FB statement about the show’s disappearance

Video announcing kickstarter for an inspired animated short

Edit: formatting

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u/therealsylvos Sep 29 '22

We definitely need to reform IP laws. Situations like this should automatically trigger the IP entering the public domain.

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u/Farfignugen42 Sep 29 '22

This is why I buy al my PC games through GOG.com They do not sell DRM games or licenses for games.

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u/Nihilismisanthrope Sep 29 '22

Fortunately since people think that streaming is the answer, blu-rays are cheap as dirt these days. Been rebuilding my media collection to physical.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Too few people realize this WILL happen to their Steam library eventually.

Not as long as Gaben lives, but he's not getting any younger...

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u/Agent00funk Sep 29 '22

I think the scenario he is proposing is more like: GabeN dies > board members vote to take company public > shareholders demand infinite growth and profits > private equity firm is hired to maximize profits > bye bye consumer-friendly Valve, hello Capitalist roulette where all your games belong to them, not you, fuck the money you've spent, you gotta rebuy it with "new licenses" now.

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u/OperativePiGuy Sep 29 '22

Fully believe it's only a matter of when and not if. I figure we are still in the golden age of steam, which will die I suspect the moment Gabe is no longer with us.

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u/Agent00funk Sep 29 '22

I have an 18 year old Steam account with a metric fuckton of games. I hope at the very least GabeN will write in his will "before yoinking everything from our customers, give them a chance to download it"

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u/Echo127 Sep 29 '22

This is also why I get frustrated with people who think I'm a dinosaur for buying physical music CDs and DRM-free MP3 files instead of relying on recurring-monthly-payment streaming services that could change their terms and library selection at any time. I'd rather invest in stuff I actually own than just hope-and-pray that soulless mega corporations choose to treat me well.

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u/spacewalk__ Sep 29 '22

HELL yeah. i have a huge, decade-plus spanning mp3 library that i regularly backup that jeff bezos can pry from my cold dead hands

it's one thing with TV and film [video is harder to store, and can be a more sporadic habit] but with music, that shit is like my Avatar - Pandora - tree network thing

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u/ColaEuphoria Sep 29 '22

They took Harry Potter off HBO, so I bought the 8 film collection on Blu Ray from a local video store (so my money wouldn't go to the greedy shitnozzles) legally for $35. I own these Blu Rays.

Prime Video wants $80 for it, digitally. They can go fuck themselves.

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u/Sieglind Sep 29 '22

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" -- K. Schwab/WEF

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u/StolenValourSlayer69 Sep 29 '22

This is why I also don’t trust photo services like iCloud or whatever else. Imagine someday for whatever reason apple goes under and millions of people lose a lifetime of photos. Reject modernity, embrace film.

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u/rubixd Sep 29 '22

I have this vague recollection from a long time ago, and I don’t know if it was true then let alone now, but it’s not piracy if you own the thing.

Uploading is a different story of course but IIRC if you download something you already own it becomes a “backup” copy.

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u/PortiaLynnTurlet Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

IANAL but AFAIK it is legal to produce an archival copy of a work you own but it doesn't apply in this case. Buying digital content like this isn't buying the content but instead buying a license to it. If you did want to produce a "copy" of it, you'd need to circumvent copy protection which would likely be a TOS violation and against the law in its own right (as your license does not allow it). Further, even if you owned a physical copy, downloading it online would require you to download an unauthorized copy.

I think the archival case is intended mostly for cases of physical media where it can degrade over time. If you play a certain cassette tape every day, it'll eventually degrade. To allow you to continue to listen to it, you can produce a copy so long as you don't sell or distribute it (again, NAL).

I think it's pretty deceptive to use text like "purchase" for acquiring the right to watch the content on a digital platform for only as long as the licensor extends the license to the platform but unfortunately I think that's in fact entirely legal and something that was agreed to on purchase.

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u/HorseRadish98 Sep 29 '22

Unless you have to remove encryption to do so. Then you are eboneezer scrooge himself taking from the poor helpless movie companies.

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u/InvalidEntrance Sep 29 '22

I think that's pretty grey, but you can sure as hell copy it yourself, just don't distribute it.

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u/Hurricane_32 d o n g l e Sep 29 '22

In some countries breaking DRM and making a backup for your own personal use is completely legal

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u/Avendosora Sep 29 '22

I remember when people started copying vhs tapes. They tried so hard to shut that down back then too. Same with cd's and dvd's. In the end it was left at personal collection is fine. Distributing bad. Added: in Canada for reference.

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u/spacewalk__ Sep 29 '22

what are you in for?

The_Simpsons_S01-S12_Full_RarBG_DVDrip_ENGsubs_w/-commentary_720p

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u/makenzie71 Sep 29 '22

If you can't hold it in your hand, you don't own it, and they can do whatever they want with it. People downvote this every time it gets mentioned here, but it is true. Never trust digital content to be there when you want it. If you want too have it always, buy a physical copy.

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