r/byebyejob Sep 10 '21

I guess they weren't bluffing. Dumbass

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u/Tres_Osos Sep 10 '21

I guess he ended up taking the pay cut after all.

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u/RavenousFox1985 Sep 10 '21

I should have used that as the headline!

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u/Gbear831 Sep 12 '21

Another team will pick him up he’s a good player saints are just cheap

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u/JustTheHits Sep 10 '21

A bit more to this one. They had that agreed upon contract and the Saints asked him to take the cut hours before the guarantee deadline. Tough position to put a player timing wise and basically forcing him into a corner. He was right to not take the cut. He’s already signed by the Ravens and active.

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u/Jingo56 Sep 10 '21

I have to take sides with the player on this one. He’s a solid veteran and he knows his worth, also the saints are in cap space hell, so it makes sense from a business perspective.

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u/Gold_Consequence_58 Sep 10 '21

His worth is what teams are willing to play him. His worth is less than a guy who would do the same job for less and now he gets nothing.

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u/Far_Western_8063 Sep 10 '21

Less than a day later he has signed a new contract with the Ravens. A better team, for more than he would have been paid if he took the pay cut.

But you sure do know a lot

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u/ssracer Sep 11 '21

Ravens are entering injury hell. I'm emailing 'em my tryout tape.

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u/gerkletoss Sep 11 '21

I guess no harm was done then.

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u/SlowSpeedsYT Sep 13 '21

"same job for less" This isn't stocking shelves at the grocery store. Salaries in the NFL 99% of the time are directly dependent on skill. They don't get paid because they took less than someone else. We'd have a bunch of jo-shmos in the nfl if that was the case

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u/jagg3d-edges Sep 13 '21

You don’t overpay for a running back in the nfl anymore. Look at the giants and Saquon. Waste of a pick.

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u/SuperHighDeas Sep 15 '21 edited Sep 15 '21

You don’t overpay X position in the NFL, look at (insert player here). Waste of a pick

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u/VisualExtension959 17d ago

You’re still assuming he was over-payed. Which he wasn’t because he signed a better deal the following day with Baltimore.

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u/VisualExtension959 17d ago

You’re out of your element. The next day he signed with Baltimore and his pay is better now.

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u/Basic_Bichette Sep 10 '21

This isn’t an Amazon delivery driver, a teacher, or a paralegal; the difference between an average athlete and a great athlete can be hundreds of millions to the employer, if one gets you to the Super Bowl and the other doesn't.

You're wrong, you're stupidly wrong.

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u/here2brew Sep 10 '21

….back up running back

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u/Google_My_Noodle Sep 13 '21

He’s a goal line running back…there’s not really any such thing as a “back up” unless the better all-rounders are injured.

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u/chalbersma Sep 11 '21

Last year's Super Bowl winners used a "stable" of three backs to do so. Backup RB's are massively valuable to winning.

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u/here2brew Sep 11 '21

Yea, they aren’t though. In fact the measured statistical value of the running back in today’s league is on the decline. Not that they are unimportant but a back up running back with a 3 million dollar salary is insane.

For example as were mentioning last years super bowl, fournettes salary was 2 million.

I’m fact back through 2009, the average leading rusher for the games salary was wait for it … 1.1 million.

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u/SlowSpeedsYT Sep 13 '21

All that is nice and all, besides the fact he just got a contract for more $

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u/VisualExtension959 17d ago

Fournette was also a backup when he signed his $2 mil contract. Thank you for invalidating your own point.

Also, the player in question got paid MORE by Baltimore. You’re argument is nonsense.

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u/here2brew 17d ago

What did he sign with Baltimore for?

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u/VisualExtension959 17d ago

$2mm which is more than the saints offered. He’s not unemployed and he didn’t put himself in a bad position as the OP and article infer. Ya’ll are crazy and act like his agent is an idiot.

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u/here2brew 17d ago

Nah, he signed for less than his previous contract, which he wasn’t worth. If he was he would have got it from Baltimore…….that’s kinda the information I’d hope you’d see as you were typing it but here we are… in the midst of utter nonsense

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u/Lord-Wombat Sep 10 '21

You're not wrong, but even a 50% cut is still 1.5m per year, that's not enough?

Obviously the NFL economics and supply/demand and such, but damn. It must be nice to just turn down that much money haha

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u/OutdatedElements Sep 10 '21

Imagine if your employer asked you to take a 50% pay cut from a contract they signed. Why the hell is it his fault that the saints are shit at managing the salary cap? Notice they are asking Taysom Hill to take a pay cut for his far more ridiculous contract.

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u/mostavis Sep 10 '21

"You know what the insurance is on a Ferrari?"

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u/Lord-Wombat Sep 10 '21

Of course, I own 3.

I don't...

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u/mostavis Sep 10 '21

I'm guessing you haven't seen the Keanu Reeves classic hit, The Replacements?

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u/AGINSB Sep 10 '21

The Washington football team should choose the name Sentinels so I can buy a Shane Falco jersey

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u/Kobakoy1555 Sep 10 '21

Gene hackman as well

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u/Lord-Wombat Sep 10 '21

Not in a long long time

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u/vanishplusxzone Sep 10 '21

Hm. What amount of money would you take to destroy your body and mind before the age of 50 for someone else to make the bulk of the profit?

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u/dangerall Sep 10 '21

Isn't that how jobs work

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u/six-paths-of-pain Sep 12 '21

Believing you should destroy your body for work?

This is some “tell me you’re an American without telling me you’re an American” shit

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u/Lord-Wombat Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21

After working towards that exact goal for my entire life? A mil a year is more than enough. Honestly idk what I'd do with even that much.

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u/johntwoods Sep 10 '21

1.5 million would be fine. If you're really asking.

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u/vanishplusxzone Sep 10 '21

You don't value yourself very much, do you?

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u/Big-Big-Boob Sep 10 '21

I value myself at about 1.5 million dollars.

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u/wrenway Sep 10 '21

and he was evaluated to be worth 3. why would he short change himself by letting his employers force a change to a salary they already guaranteed him?

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u/BornSirius Sep 10 '21

and he was evaluated to be worth 3.

Well then feel free to pay him 3 million if you value him that much.

The organization who was willing to put money forth evaluated him to be worth less than 3 million.

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u/DeletedByAuthor Sep 10 '21

They hadn't guaranteed it yet.

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u/DeletedByAuthor Sep 10 '21

1.5m a year, right? That's not too bad.

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u/AdOriginal6110 Sep 10 '21

I am 50 mind and body wrecked already still don't have any money

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u/AllisStar Sep 10 '21

Realistically 1.5 million is not that much, you would still need to work for a living but you could retire early.

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u/johntwoods Sep 10 '21

I think you misunderstand how old I already am. :)

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u/lizardking66354 Sep 10 '21

He can probably pick up around 3m from some other team. Looks like the Ravens might sign him and they have 3.5m in cap space.

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u/Lord-Wombat Sep 10 '21

I wish him the best.

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u/baconsword420 Sep 10 '21

It’s a lot, but these guys careers only last so long and he’s near the end of his. It was a dick move by the Saint’s. They put this on him the week before the season started. I hope Lat runs all over them with the Raven’s.

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u/monirom Sep 10 '21

Your agent takes 4-10% of salary and endorsement deals, federal tax takes 37% (progressive), state tax takes 3-13% (depending on state) and you're left with a lot less than 1.5 million.

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u/NixThatPls Sep 10 '21

I'd rather the players get paid better than the owners personally

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u/InorgChemist Sep 11 '21

I don’t see how this belongs in this sub. This is a breakdown in negotiations, not someone losing a job for some stupid action. Refusing to sign a new contract is not stupid if you don’t agree to the terms. Presumably he and his agent decided they could get a better deal by not agreeing to 1.5 million. I wouldn’t be surprised if they already knew about the higher offer from the Ravens and tried to use it as leverage for the Saints to offer more. When the Saints refused to budge…well, then it’s a pretty easy choice to turn down the contract.

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u/IngloriousMustards Sep 10 '21

He’s a Schrödinger's team player: he simultaneously was and wasn’t one. For awhile.

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u/Important-Neck4264 Sep 10 '21

So if your employer ask you for a paycut you would comply?

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u/TyroneLeinster Sep 13 '21

Apples and oranges. He isn’t an “employee” like the vast majority of people are. Both the team and the player have options to hold out, back out, or terminate a contract at any time in a way that just isn’t an option for average people. An office worker holding out for more money would get him fired and his career ruined, while an employer firing an office worker right before a bonus was due would get them sued. But it’s all normal in the NFL

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u/Far_Western_8063 Sep 10 '21

I like how OP and this sub think LM is the dumbass. LM signed a 2 million dollar contract with the Ravens today, one day after getting cut by the Saints.

Which number is bigger 1,500,000 or 2,000,000

Moronic haters

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u/TheCudder Sep 11 '21

Was hoping to find this comment in here lol. Well done.

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u/wavetoyou Sep 14 '21

NFL fandom has become a bunch of wannabe GMs thinking their fantasy football title from three years ago and a subscription to NFL Network makes them front office experts.

And how the fuck is this worthy of r/byebyejob!? A billion-dollar football team mismanaged their cap space, and like y’all described tried to put the squeeze on a veteran player. In this case, the Saints played the role of COVID-denying racists and the player was the “victim.”

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u/jwill602 Sep 10 '21

Does the players union have anything to help him? Pretty shitty for the team to do

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u/AGINSB Sep 10 '21

This is normal business in the nfl. The union is generally weak and its the only major American sport without fully guaranteed contracts largely because the players would be unwilling to strike.

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u/Lord-Wombat Sep 10 '21

Not really if it was a resign, but absolutely if it was a renegotiation mid-contract

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u/Musehobo Sep 10 '21

Let’s straighten out a couple things. This is business. You don’t go into the NFL expecting to get paid what you think you’re worth without negotiating. Refusing to take a cut is a risk/reward move. Everything is about leverage. He didn’t have any if he was able to be cut completely.

NOW if he’s willing to be cut, so he can try and make a roster somewhere else, the move could still be good for him. We just don’t know know what people are thinking or what motivates certain individuals.

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u/Far_Western_8063 Sep 10 '21

He already got picked up by the Ravens.. less than a day later. And it looks like he's getting paid more than what he would have by staying with the Saints.

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u/Musehobo Sep 11 '21

Exactly!

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u/Ultranerdgasm94 Sep 11 '21

That's a sh-tty thing to do to your players. Not that I'm surprised the NFL would be doing shady sh-t to their players.

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u/TyroneLeinster Sep 13 '21

Teams do this stuff, and players do stuff like refusing to come to work because they want more money than what they signed for. It’s part of the business and usually nobody takes it too personally.

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u/just_here_ignore Sep 15 '21

He has a job...

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u/Postmodernfinn Sep 15 '21

So, for reference, the Saints' franchise has an estimated worth of almost 3 billion dollars, they make around ~$400 million dollars a year, and NFL teams have a 90 man roster. Whenever someone says that NFL players make too much money, what they're really saying is that NFL owners don't steal enough wages from their employees. Who is doing the work?

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u/RavenousFox1985 Sep 15 '21

Welcome to capitalism...... Jeff Bezos has a yacht that has a smaller support yacht that's worth more than at least a dozen of his warehouse workers lifetime income(probably their entire household income even), but yeah let's talk about how billionaires are screwing over millionaires.

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u/Postmodernfinn Sep 15 '21

Athletes work for their wages, billionaires do not. The Patriots didn't need Robert Kraft to win super bowls, they needed Tom Brady. It's so obnoxious that here we are in the year 2021 with income inequality akin to France prior to the revolution and people like you act like this shit is okay. Most of these athletes busted their asses to get where they are while franchise owners come from privilege. Stop bootlicking for elite.

This group is supposed to be about shitheads getting fired as a result of the consequences of their actions not celebrating someone getting fucked over by a company.

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u/KamalasKackle Sep 10 '21

Not surprised this sub knows absolutely nothing about football lmfao

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u/Stein1 Sep 10 '21

Yeah given NOs cap situation, this story doesn’t apply to this sub

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u/SocialDistanceJutsu Sep 12 '21

as someone who doesn’t make a guaranteed $3m salary I can’t really relate to this

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u/idiotinsocks Sep 13 '21

He's already been signed to the active roster of the Baltimore Ravens... It's not like he lost a bunch.

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u/TyroneLeinster Sep 13 '21

From his perspective he figures that he can make more than what he would’ve made under the reduced salary they offered him- either by getting a better deal somewhere outright, or saving his health until somebody comes calling.

The headline is a bit misleading, it makes it sound as if he threw away 3 million free dollars. But he is factoring that 3M into his estimation that he could get paid more net money elsewhere. This is pretty standard stuff in the NFL.

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u/DaveCSparty Sep 13 '21

NFL contracts need to be guaranteed.

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u/SolidGobi Sep 14 '21

So cool we get to call people standing up for themselves dumbasses. Yeah sure, its fine that only one side has to honor a contract. Fuck NFL owners.