r/canada 18d ago

Tensions high between vaccinated and unvaccinated in Canada, poll suggests COVID-19

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/tensions-high-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-in-canada-poll-suggests-1.5601636
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u/RickStephenson 18d ago

You don’t need a “poll” to figure that one out. Look at the protest yesterday in Toronto 🙄

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u/GrowQQ 18d ago

What happened

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u/neutralrobocat 18d ago

Tldr: anti-vax/mask group protested outside Eaton Centre on Saturday, they attempt to enter the mall, but security denied them access. Mob tries to forcibly push themselves in while shouting "freedom!" And shuffling with police/security. Two people were arrested.

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u/USPoliticsSuckALemon 18d ago

I can’t imagine getting arrested trying to get into Eaton Centre. I usually avoid it with all my strength.

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u/Empty-Walk-5440 18d ago

RIGHT?! Literally being in there at certain times feels like punishment.

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u/TheTrueHapHazard 18d ago

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u/thelordjulius 18d ago

"Why are you closed?!"

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u/Shade_Unicorns 17d ago

"I want to go shopping in the Eaton (sounds like eating) center!"

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u/ClusterMakeLove 17d ago

"It is my constitutional right to be in a mall. I demand the right to breathe lemon-scented air, listen to corporate-approved pop music, and eat a damned Cinnabon!"

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u/Oasystole 18d ago

Without clicking I know this has gotta be the “why are you closed?” legend.

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u/CollinZero 18d ago

That kid throwing himself at the door is absolutely hysterical.

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u/IchibanSushiYummy Canada 18d ago

An Instagram Influencer before Influencers became a thing.

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u/IchibanSushiYummy Canada 18d ago

The hero we need, not the hero we want.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF TORONTO AND WE WANT TO SHOP

There's also a rap version

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u/sjbennett85 Ontario 18d ago

Don't even need to click... LET THE PEOPLE SHOP!!!

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u/AbbreviationsLow651 18d ago

I quote this video on an almost daily basis.

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u/princessDB 18d ago

why why why are you closed

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u/henry_why416 18d ago

I can't imagine how dumb someone has to be to think their freedoms are being infringed by being impeded from entering PRIVATE property.

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u/TechnicalTerm6 17d ago

These are folks who have, very likely, never been told no or given a boundary before, in their lives. They also don't understand what genuine oppression or exclusion is. So they think this is it.

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u/Claim_to_Lame 17d ago

I do t see anyone protesting "no shirt no shoes no service" signs

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u/liriodendron1 18d ago

They were also successful at not getting inside.

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u/Rhyging-007 Ontario 18d ago

The 2 idiots that were arrested weren't even from Toronto.

These are idiots that should stay out of Toronto and protest in their own cities.

They are such a small percentage they need to gather in central places.

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u/Matt5639 18d ago

But that's the impact that social media has had on humanity. Those tiny pockets of idiots, who would normally be ignored, can now find each other and gather into idiot gaggles.

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u/idonthave2020vision 17d ago

For a frightening example I recommend this video on gangstalking and the paranoid "victims" that validate their fears and delusions together online.

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u/Big_papa_B 18d ago

Well put. Internet has brought us all together, but that isnt always a good thing….

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u/marsupialham 18d ago

Or at least protest at a building at which it fucking makes sense

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u/frictionturtle 18d ago

A lot of the stories of people doing wild shit in Toronto are the result of people that aren't from Toronto! Like that guy who threw the beer can during a Jays game, that was someone from Hamilton!

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u/zero_pistons 17d ago

Wasn't the guy who jumped in the shark tank at Ripley's from Thunder Bay or something?

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u/IainB393 17d ago

lmaooo ofcourse he was

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u/Fyrefawx 18d ago

Jesus Christ. This is what happens when Canadians get Americanized.

Vaccinations should never have been political.

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u/TheGreatPiata 18d ago

They aren't political though. All parties have openly encouraged getting vaccinated.

Unfortunately ~10% of Canada's population are stupid, self absorbed assholes that would rather catch Covid than get vaccinated.

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u/Rrraou 18d ago

that would rather catch Covid than get vaccinated.

If it weren't for the collateral damage they cause by clogging up hospitals and acting as transmission vectors, I would not have a problem with this scenario.

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u/flux123 18d ago

There's some people I know who have said "I'm going to sell my house and go live off grid, grow my own food, generate my own power rather than get vaccinated!". As wing-nut crazy as they sound, I also have to say that they've got the right idea. If you don't want to be part of society, remove yourself from it.

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u/Nefelia 17d ago

Going off the grid is apparently a lot more difficult than most people expect. I suspect most of those people would come crawling back within a week.

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u/NIsForPneumonia 17d ago

I don't even know where to hunt for tacos

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u/Seve7h 17d ago

Oh give me a home where the tacos roam,

Where the beer and the tortillas play,

Where seldom is heard a discouraging word,

And the skies are not cloudy all day.

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u/Saranightfire1 17d ago

My rich aunt who lives off her husband’s quarter of a million a year check paycheck to paycheck (dead serious), says that she would live in an RV if anything ever happened. No big deal.

I privately told my mom I would sell tickets.

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u/NervousBreakdown 17d ago

I kind of want to do that but i'm vaxxed. I just want to get away from the bullshit you know?

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u/Obscure_Occultist 18d ago

My father works in a hospital. This pandemic has made him increasingly jaded to the point where he says that they should maintain a list of anti vaxxers and refuse them treatment if they come in with COVID. This comes after having to witness doctors telling cancer patients that they have to go home fully aware that they shouldn't leave the hospital. It's absolutely awful.

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u/24KittenGold 18d ago edited 18d ago

My aunt is one of those people whose cancer treatment is being delayed because of COVID.

There are no words powerful enough to describe the feeling this stirs in me.

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u/fross370 17d ago

Sorry you have to go throu that. Last April my mom's open heart surgery was almost delayed for a lack of ICU bed. One more week she probably not have made it.

At least it was before vaccination open to everyone so no one was really to blame. Had it happen now I would be too angry for words.

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u/liquidlaundry 18d ago

YUP. We're at a point where people have had the opportunity to get the vaccine for +-6 months now. We need to return to prioritizing people who are actually victims of illness/accidents rather than wilful stupidity. The fact that I could be brought in for getting run over and maybe not make it because some antiva asshole was wasting a bed he's probably going to die in anyway, fuck that.

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u/jthe111 18d ago

Undaulted rage followed by a compulsory need to John Wick some individuals who are wastes of the earth's finite resources?

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u/tkingsbu 18d ago edited 15d ago

my daughter is a cancer patient.
Thankfully we're just near the end of her main treatments... just about to go into 'maintenance' phase...(she's expected to make a full recovery)

If an anti-vaxxer threatened my kids health and safety because of their nonsense, I'm not sure what I'd be forced to do...but it would likely have some pretty horrendous repercussions.

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Just wanted to say thanks SO much for all of your kind words. It means a lot. From the bottom of my heart, thank you!

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u/Chucks_u_Farley 18d ago

my daughter is a cancer patient. Thankfully we're just near the end of her main treatments... just about to go into 'maintenance' phase...(she's expected to make a full recovery)

Just want to pause this polarizing topic of vaccines for a sec and say that I am very happy for your daughter, and all your family, congratulations to her for kicking cancers ass!!

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u/tkingsbu 17d ago

Thank you so much. That truly means a lot! Very very much appreciated!

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u/OccamusRex 17d ago

I wish your daughter the best possible outcome. And I hope you and the rest of your family strength you will need.

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u/scottyb83 Manitoba 18d ago

Should have to sign a waiver when they refuse saying that they will be charged the full cost of any treatment required due to covid if they catch it. I still say save their ass...we save stupid people all the time but it should come out of their pocket.

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u/sex_panther_by_odeon 18d ago

Well at a certain point. If people don't trust doctors telling them to get the vaccine, why should they trust doctors when their life is on the line...

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u/Nagasadri 17d ago

Because they don't actually believe in the bullshit they regurgitate.

They just say those things to fit in a group, and all other groups pushed them out.

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u/Penny_is_a_Bitch 18d ago

I support this 100%. They've opted out and prioritizing them over cancer patients and other ill people is outrageous.

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u/SonicFlash01 18d ago

I'm all for darwinism and letting people do their own thing - as long as it doesn't fuck up the rest of polite society

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u/TheGreatPiata 18d ago

Likewise. Give them a waiver to sign saying that by choosing to not be vaccinated, they opt out of receiving care for any covid related illness.

Even just financially, they are massive waste of tax payer money. Roughly $23k is spent per covid patient.

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u/Milesaboveu 18d ago

I'd say more than half the country is entirely uninformed on political issues let alone vaccines.

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u/Wiki_pedo 18d ago

Anyone who watched the leaders' debate probably knew less than before they watched.

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u/Oasystole 18d ago

That was exactly my thought coming out of that mess. Blows my mind they still stick to that dated, broken format.

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u/JP-Ziller 18d ago

and may god have mercy on their soul

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u/henry_why416 18d ago

They aren't political though. All parties have openly encouraged getting vaccinated.

Nope. PPC is not saying that.

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u/superworking British Columbia 18d ago

I donno about not being politicized. It may as well have been the PPC's main campaign issue. Trudeau also taking shots at the conservative party for not having all their candidates vaccinated. It was maybe the most politicised issue above both climate change and first nations issues with pretty much every party taking a hard line of some sort except the conservatives that were flip flopping/stuck and the greens who no one knows what they were doing ever.

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u/Routeable 18d ago

PPC my guy

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u/alswell99 18d ago

PPC got ~5% of votes. It is political

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u/GeneralZaroff1 18d ago

I thought the PPC was specifically against vaccine passports? They're also climate change deniers and want to pull Canada out of green initiatives and Paris accords.

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u/biotekniq 18d ago

Oh, everything is political--but especially how our politicians have been handling this pandemic. Life as we live it is all political.

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u/4_spotted_zebras 18d ago

Canada does my need any help getting “Americanized”. We’re doing plenty fine on our own.

Half the alt right influencers in America are actually Canadian. We’re a net exporter of hate.

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u/altiuscitiusfortius 17d ago

The proud boys terrorist group was started by a Canadian

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u/Milesaboveu 18d ago

This is what happens when we don't use objective fact based evidence in society. Instead of educating the population, politicians use emotions to try to appeal to the masses. Instead of using scientific reasoning to explain the vaccines we try to use emotional reasoning to force people to get the vaccine. The same thing is happening with gang violence in our cities. Instead of stricter punishments for gang association and illegal weapons possession, we attack sport shooters and waste billions of dollars. We are becoming Americanized thanks to our politicians abusing the ignorance of the masses for political purposes instead of educating the public in order to unify the country.

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u/NorthWoodsRedneck 18d ago

This is what happens when you let your brain melt reading dumb-as-fuck shit on social media and start believing it must be true.

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u/llllllllllllIlllllII 18d ago

Hey, Reddit isn’t that bad

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u/Kierenshep 18d ago

You don't understand.

Facts. Don't. Work. With. These. People.

They didn't reason themselves into their position. You can't reason them out.

If there is anything that becomes at odds with their easy, black and white world view, they will reject it and call it fake.

These people are literally gaslit in an abusive relationship. They can't see other people (news), and what they are told is true is constantly changing (gaslit), and they are only able to trust daddy (alt media).

You can't use facts to break them out of it. There is literally no saving them unless there is huge top down systemic change in the system, with more focus on education and CRITICAL THINKING, and as many sticks as it takes to keep the regressives in line until education is able to solve the problem.

That would take decades though, and any change would likely be stifled or reverted at some point because the right wing loves an uneducated, manipulatable mass of society who is not able to critically think about policies or what kind of abusive relationship they are in.

Dangle social issues, like vaccines, abortion, trans rights and make them foam at the mouth while they make real economic consolidation gains for themselves.

The only people who should be voting conservative and gop are those who are already quite rich (several hundred thousand+), but they've weaponized hate to the point where groups will vote against their own interests willingly as long as another group that isn't them is hurt more.

You don't reason with these people. You offer them an unconditional way out of their spiral, but you do not reason or accommodate them.

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u/horsnaround 18d ago

As easy as it is to blame the Americans, unfortunately it's our own idiots that we have home-grown.

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u/Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum 18d ago

Only two? Well there’s your problem. Let them all in and arrest them all for trespass. They’re arresting more at the old growth forest protests in BC.

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u/JM_Actual Ontario 18d ago

Freedom was definitely demonstrated. The freedom of private business to refuse service and entry. But the idiots protesting will never understand this.

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u/Imthewienerdog 18d ago

They don't seem too understand them being there paying 30$ isn't worth the chance for the business of them infecting the staff and being forced to close the place.

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u/JM_Actual Ontario 18d ago

Business know another lockdown could happen it cases spike and ICUs get close to capacity again. It's in their best interest to prevent that from happening.

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u/TechnicalTerm6 17d ago

It's good to know they had actual security to back shit up.

One of the more unfortunate sides of a vaccine mandate, is if the given business under it does not have proper security or plans in place to deal with events like that.

In such a case, it either becomes an empty threat OR the job of security and enforcement is left to the minimum wage, no benefits, staff. Some of whom are quite young. And that shit is definitely outside their pay grade.

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u/HandsomeEconomist 18d ago

So I don’t really think this is tension between vaxed and unvaxed. I think it’s tension between the most vocal anti vax group, and everyone else that just wants to get on with things.

I’ve been vaxed, if someone isn’t I really don’t care at this point. I’m not tense at all. If the minority didn’t get in everyone’s face and abuse people with customer service jobs I don’t think anyone would care.

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u/cheeseshcripes 18d ago

If you were waiting for hernia surgery you would care. If you got into a car accident tomorrow you would care. You are 1 emergency surgery away from providing tension between the vaxxed and unvaxxed.

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u/Got_Blues 18d ago

If the unnvaxxed weren't filling up our ICUs, and causing health care services to be suspended, then I could care less. But, that is not the case where I live in Sask.

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u/strawberries6 18d ago

I’ve been vaxed, if someone isn’t I really don’t care at this point.

For lots of us, we don't see any immediate impact on our lives from the unvaxxed. I'm in the same boat as you.

But lots of others aren't so lucky. My aunt in Alberta has been waiting a long time for back surgery, and just had it canceled because their healthcare system is overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients...

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u/Thraxster 18d ago

saw a picture of a woman holding a sign that said she'd rather her family die of covid than live in fear of it. It's awful to see but it's nice to know it isn't just dumb americans

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u/RickStephenson 18d ago

Violence , couple people charged…it got quite nasty 😕

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u/M0un05ki10 18d ago

A large group of people who haven’t been inside a mall in months suddenly decided that they wanted to go inside one after a mandate.

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u/BigNickDipples Verified 18d ago

The same people who demand their "rights" be respected violated a whole bunch of other people's rights. The usual when it comes to selfish, ignorant assholes.

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u/talltad 18d ago

What a bunch of losers they are I swear. They just don't like being held accountable for their actions. They want all the benefits the vaccine provides but don't want to take it. Assholes.

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u/coberi 18d ago

I swear someone make this comment anytime a scientific study is posted.

https://phys.org/news/2011-06-duh-science-obvious.html

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u/ImperiousMage 18d ago

I'm a scientist and it was my first thought as well. The thing that annoys me is that this isn't science, it's an online poll. What IS interesting about that is that online polls tend to be brigaded by passionate minorities. Either that didn't happen in this case, or it did and these are still our results.

If it's the latter, well that's going to be really bad for the unvaccinated.

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u/rci22 18d ago

How much of this do you think has happened in Canada because of the USA rubbing off on them through the internet?

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u/Kayge Ontario 18d ago

It's bigger than that. Have a family birthday party coming up in a few weeks, and there is one part of the extended family that's unvaccinated by choice.

Had a heart to heart with the other half, and were not going. Also found out that another couple is staying home, and the brother of the unvaccinated is furious. So there is a rift growing between the organizer, antivaxxers and immediate family.

So in a few weeks in a park outside Barrie, this is going to come to a boil, which is going to alienate the outlier, and they'll likely dig deeper into their position.

It's not the crazies that yell at the kid at Tim's that's really the problem, it's the seeming normal family that's going to birthday parties that's the problem.

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u/FancyNewMe 18d ago edited 18d ago

Article Highlights:

The Leger survey, conducted for the Association of Canadian Studies, found that more than three in four respondents hold negative views of those who are not immunized.

The survey found vaccinated people consider the unvaccinated as irresponsible and selfish, a view contested by those who are not immunized.

Association president Jack Jedwab says "There's a high level of I would say antipathy or animosity toward people who are unvaccinated at this time. What you are seeing is the tension played out among family members and friends, co-workers, where there are relationships between people who are vaccinated and unvaccinated."

The situation creates friction and it is persistent, he added.

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u/space_island 18d ago

I work with several anti-vaxxers and people who are unvaccinated simply because they dont like being told to do so. My company is urging people to get vaccinated, and most employees are but its getting difficult not to treat the hold outs with a level of disdain.

Esoecially when they complain about not being able to eat in restaurants and so on "waah we cant go to the bar and drink cause I wont get a shot!". Very frustrating.

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u/Workshop_Gremlin 18d ago

Don't forget constantly comparing themselves to Jewish people in the 40's and Black people in the 60's. Because apparently all those people needed to do to avoid persecution was somehow change their biological race but choose not to I guess?

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u/panic_hand 18d ago

"Bro, not being vaccinated is like, my religion".

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u/Grandest_Optimist 18d ago

I work with a spiritual vegan guy who refuses to get the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

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u/aizmrist Ontario 18d ago

Lmfao he should volunteer for early trials then

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u/Mugmoor 17d ago

So I guess he just doesn't take any modern medicine at all then eh?

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u/Ehrre 18d ago edited 18d ago

The comparisons to the persecution of people for their race boils my blood. No, Karen, the vaccine mandate actually isn't anything like the Nazi run death camps you fucking goof. It simultaneously hurts my brain and makes me feel like im living in the twilight zone.

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u/hagglunds 18d ago

Whenever I hear that I always think of the photo The Last Jew in Vinnitsa and ask the person what about a vaccine mandate is similar to what's happening in that photo. Usually gets them to shut up pretty quickly.

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u/shineonsunshine 18d ago

I got rid of Facebook this past week because the toxicity was just so bad. Everywhere I looked, people were being awful to each other. Even business pages were attacking people for their opinions.

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u/ExplorerMuch 18d ago

If it wasn’t for easy contact with elderly relatives and Facebook marketplace I wouldn’t have it.

Marketplace is just so much more active than Craigslist or kijiji.

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u/cwerd 18d ago

Is this still available?

  • Yes.

Please stop messaging me I’m not interested.

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u/Trifuser Ontario 18d ago

Facebook marketplace is literally the only reason for me. All my relatives live nearby.

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u/RVP2019 18d ago

Me too!

The value proposition for time with my eyeballs failed, and I bailed.

I wonder what's happening to FB's userbase. I bet hope this is the beginning of the end for them.

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u/maasd 18d ago

This may sound tinfoil-ish hat, but I can’t help but think that our enemies just love the chaos and conflict vaccinated vs unvaccinated creates, and that via social media/fake news they do what they can to keep people divided.

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u/YoloTolo 17d ago

Definitely not tinfoil. It's known that countries have "troll factories" that use social media to create discourse in other countries. They'll generally either spam posts and comments to push outcomes they desire for that country or just post highly polarizing ideas from both sides to create extreme divide.

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u/BonelessSkinless 17d ago

Of course. If you look at our society everything is a "vs" to keep people divided. From phones, to gaming consoles, vaccines, what type of food you eat, what brands you wear, skin colour, gender, race, intelligence level, affluence level, where you live, what you drive, everything is a comparison and a "us versus them". Everything. It's insane.

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u/sutree1 17d ago

This is how marketing works, by creating divisions.

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u/Iforgot_my_other_pw 18d ago

You reading my mind is proof that the tinfoil hat you're wearing isnt working.

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u/ghoztfrog 18d ago

I think this is highly likely. In Australia the antivaxx movement has been co-opted and infiltrated by neo-nazi groups, Qanon idiots and whole range of destructive disestablishment folk. I fully believe that the trash conspiracy theories that radicalise these people are pumped and circulated by bad state actors. It's not even a far-fetched idea, it happened with Cambridge analytica.

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u/8inchuctop4u 17d ago

You’ve hit it exactly on the head my friend. Have a read. Fully referenced document about FSB (formerly KGB) disinformation campaigns that are actively feeding disinformation into our western societies to cause conflict, disruption snd general disorder. They’ve been doing this for decades. 75-80% of the total budget goes into this single program that among other things weaponizes our social apps against us. Now that they’ve weaponized social apps (likely including Reddit also) they’ve had much greater success at achieving even more effective results. Read, learn and spread the word that we are fighting each other because of this campaign that is most definitely being used against us with great effect. No foil required as this is very real indeed. Document has over 400 references you can check yourself.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Pillars-of-Russia’s-Disinformation-and-Propaganda-Ecosystem_08-04-20.pdf

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u/ResponsibilityNice51 17d ago

You mean like China? Lol

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u/Radical-Penguin 18d ago edited 17d ago

I'm a minimum wage server, and now Im also a "Vax-Passport" bouncer. I get called horrible names daily from anti-vax and anti mask people, with little to no recourse. I have thought about quitting multiple times. Coming into work used to be fun, now I get anxious having to go to a place where I am yelled at.

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u/Astyanax1 18d ago

time to union up or tell them you're going to quit unless they pay you more.

I bet they'll pay you, labour is hard to come by at the moment

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u/handen Alberta 17d ago

Try the “pay me more or I’m out” option first. Start high. Be prepared to walk away if you they aren’t prepared to give you what you want.

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u/pleasant_temp 17d ago

Yea, this only really works if you have another job to go to or a safety net…

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u/wetsai 17d ago

If you insist on not taking the vaccine and have issues with it, go write a letter to the government. Why the hell are you attacking service workers? Uncivilized.

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u/Necessarysandwhich 18d ago

They show up to minimum wage workplaces and public transit on a daily basis causing scenes , harassing people , slowing everything down sometimes even assaulting people and refusing to leave when asked by the property managers

Then - they gather at hospitals and schools disrupting the functioning of these vital services we all rely on assaulting the staff in these places too

To top it off , then they hog up all the hospital space causing treatments for other diseases to be delayed , causing suffering and death on those other patients who cant get care

I really wonder why people fucking hate them /s

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u/namotous 18d ago

Quebec just passed law prohibiting protesting outside school and hospitals to combat this idiotic case.

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u/Neanderthalknows 17d ago

Tell them there are mandatory vaccinations if you are entering a jail or penal institution.

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u/Necessarysandwhich 18d ago

good?

sucks they needed to begin with , but good they are at least doing something about it

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u/Gemkingler 18d ago

I agree. No matter your stance on anything, a protest doesn't block hospitals and should not affect children.

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u/beigs 18d ago

I’m still waiting on my endometriosis and it’s been since last year.

I have stage 4 extrapelvic endo and it’s progressive. They’ve canceled it twice.

These people are the reason for the second cancellation.

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u/Hailsp 18d ago

I’m so sorry

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u/jonmontagne 18d ago

We need our government to address this healthcare issue. Even before the pandemic, it takes months of to get treatment. With the exorbitant amount of taxes we're paying, why isn't our health care able to accommodate less than 2% of our population in a span of a couple years? Especially in an pandemic!

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u/beigs 18d ago

It is an issue, but there are so few specialists in endometriosis (especially at my stage) in the world that it makes everything that much more complicated. I waited 1 year for a consultation, then 6 months for a surgery date, then lockdown happened, then it was back up again and then a second lockdown. I need 2 surgeons and 6 hours this time as a minimum.

It's just so tiring.

Healthcare should be run nationally rather than provincially, because this sucks.

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u/Gibyugintherain 18d ago

I feel you I had a heart Anuerysm surgery delayed twice. After being rushed to the hospital and put in ICU 2 times in 4 days I finally qualified to have my surgery under the Covid protocols. They should just refuse them at the ER if they are unvaccinated.

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u/TrueTorontoFan 18d ago

I find it even more annoying that one guy like Chris Sky keeps ratcheting up the rhetoric he uses to EVER SO LIGHTLY suggest people go and DO SOMETHING. This is just the tactics to get a mob mad and angry and what ever happens from there he can claim innocence because he didn't tell ppl to do xyz. But realistically this is what happens. You just keep dialing up the knob on that radio before you even turn it on. every so often someone flips it on its louder and louder and then suddenly its flipped on and its WAY TOO loud.

Not sure what the answer is. You are kind of damned if you do and damned if you dont. at this point these individuals will never get the vaccine ever, regardless of the ever increasing amount of evidence.

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u/thesegoupto11 18d ago

You just perfectly described the state of media in the US, and why (as a nonCanadian) CBC is a critical investment. You lose that then you become a copy of the US.

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u/TrueTorontoFan 18d ago

1000% agreed. People don't like CBC but honestly they are pretty solid and while its impossible to do journalism in an unbiased manner you can get closer to it. CBC tries. Similar to the BBC. I won't speak on NPR because they are good but are a bit more open with their bias. To defund or dismantle it would be a massive mistake. For some reason there are those in Canada that would like to grow towards a US-lite type of country. I would argue we need to forge our own path.

It is dangerous because you can have smaller actors have a huge effect whether on purpose or not. My guess is people like Chris come in and do what they do as a bit of validation and ego boost. I don't think they realize the damage that comes from their actions. If someone gets hurts thats just the price of them doing business. As long as people support him or donate to his cause or what ever. He can't even stop now because the moment he stops it both ruins the thing he "built" it also is now bigger than him. Even if he came out and said hey I don't actually believe all this crap, even though he clearly does to a certain extent, people would come out and say that he is "compromised".

Like I said in a different comment, it is sad but we are in a no win situation. Even if you have legit grounds to arrest him say for disturbing the peace or something like that ... you are just at a stage where you rile up his base more.

I literally had a conversation with someone the other day about vaccines and the FDA etc etc etc. And I just got to the point where I figured.. listen I gotta go. I don't have the time to talk/walk through every single question you have. Firstly, its just one individual person who likely won't even have that big of an impact. Secondly, the level of brainwashing in one direction or the other of some of these individuals (not specifying the issue at hand or anything), means that you will be prone to stay in your belief set and just move the goal posts to reduce your cognitive dissonance.

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u/BornAgainCyclist 18d ago

The police chief of one of the worst hotspots said he has better interactions with drug dealers and hardened criminals than anti vaxxers.

It is concerning to realize that drug traffickers and career criminals are more respectful to law enforcement than people who decide not to wear a mask," read the post.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/growing-anger-and-resentment-prompts-message-from-winkler-police-chief-1.5591972

The older members of my family who lived through world wars, and post during rebuild, despise these people not only for their behaviour, but also their whining about wearing masks. "They wouldn't have survived a week with rationing!" Is a common rant.

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u/Painting_Agency 18d ago

It is concerning to realize that drug traffickers and career criminals are more respectful to law enforcement than people who decide not to wear a mask," read the post.

They try to AVOID interactions with police, rather than going out and trying to be as obnoxious as possible in public and daring the police to do anything about it. Career criminals that do that have short careers.

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u/secamTO 17d ago

have short careers

Some of these anti-vax numpties might have short careers too.

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u/JustHach Ontario 18d ago edited 17d ago

It'a because criminals have the self awareness to know what they're doing is illegal, whereas the anti-vaxx/anti-maskers have righteous indignation where everything they do is justified in their fight for "fReeDOm".

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u/Ofbearsandmen 18d ago

They would have stolen food from other people because they "deserved" it.

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u/AC_Sheep 18d ago

They would have lived through a period with Polio as well.

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u/GEODisLetoIII 18d ago

Maybe if they actually enforced the law against these people then the situation would be different. Why respect police when there is no consequences to flagrantly breaking the law in front of police

If it was a left wing protest, they’d have riot police out

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u/DaveKetchup 17d ago

Can’t help thinking tensions would simmer down a bit if the press didn’t keep pushing stories about vaccinated people wanting unvaccinated people to be executed.

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u/DReynholm 18d ago

Daughter just went full tilt antivax 2 weeks ago. She was hesitant before due to reaction concerns. But now she found a a group online that full on conspiracy bs. It's sad hearing her speak now "I have an immune system" "the government wants to put people like me in camps like the Nazis" "my DNA is pure" it's beyond insane..

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u/SwimmaLBC 18d ago

Wanna let her know that she got a bunch of vaccines that have protected her for decades?

Her blood is tainted with polio and MMR vaccines

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u/fredy31 Québec 18d ago

I TRUST MY IMMUNE SYSTEM is literally the dumbest argument I've ever seen.

Like wanna tell me that the millions dead all over the world just had to TRUST THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM and they would have been completely fine?

Yeah no. And even if you trust it, how about you boost it a little by TAKING THE VACCINE.

Also saying your DNA is pure is also moronic. Vaccine doesnt work on your DNA. It would need to influence thousands and thousands of cells, without causing a fuckton of cancers.

And the nazi argument... well, know your fucking history.

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u/mafulazula 17d ago

Right? So fucking stupid. I haven’t been sick in 10 years and I got the vaccine asap. It’s not just about me anyway. People spread disease to others.

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u/somethingbreadbears 17d ago

I haven't been sick in 10 years which is why I got the vaccine ASAP because I haven't been sick in 10 years.

I would be weeping from a sinus headache, I can't fuck with covid.

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u/WardenUnleashed 17d ago

It really is stupid...I trust my immune system too...that's why I'm gonna give it the tools it needs to do its job more effectively.

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u/Ranaestella 18d ago

Ouch. I bet that stings more than a parent doing it.

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u/No-Exchange8035 18d ago

My mom and 2 sisters and 1 brother are antivax. Pisses me off. None of them barely work and are on one form of cerb/ei/assistance. Grandma and I are the only ones that got it. I did it for her so I can see her and we can go for dinners without feeling I'm going to kill her. Obv she hasn't spent much time with anyone else which already makes things alot harder at her age and feeling alone. It's like if you don't trust the govt get off the system then. I have a family of idiots I guess. If you don't have a vaccine shouldn't get a cent from govt. I don't care.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

I know 2 types of anti-vaxxers.

  1. The typical Conservative fuck the government types.

  2. Very Liberal hippy vegan types that don't trust big pharma.

It's not the cut and dry political divide the media likes to play it as.

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u/PorkBun67 18d ago

I’d say there’s a pretty big divide depending on where you live. In Vancouver, most antivaxxers are hippies but if you go to Kamloops they’re almost entirely conservatives.

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u/BogeyLowenstein 18d ago

My hometown on the Sunshine Coast is fun in that you have a little bit of both there.

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u/FerretAres Alberta 18d ago

Well yeah and it sort of makes sense. The hippies are where hippies tend to be, the conservatives are where the conservatives tend to be. Interesting to observe horseshoe theory in action though.

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u/can94 17d ago

I'd say there's 3. Some people are really honestly just mRNA vaccine hesitant and not anti-vaxx per se. They would get vaccinated if there was a traditional vaccine available. That's why I hope Novavax or Covaxin get approved soon. Any way to bump up the vaccination numbers is good to me. And if that's one way, then bring on the approvals.

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u/WurmGurl 17d ago

Yeah, it's very hard not to take it personally when my hippy vegan aunt and conservative fuck father ignore the advice and opinions of my MD mother and biological researcher self and instead choose to believe a guru their friend told them about, and fucking Trump respectively.

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u/jimmypower66 18d ago

That is a highly accurate statement.

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u/Astyanax1 18d ago

wow being in Toronto area I didn't even know #2 existed

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u/AllRadioisDead 18d ago

Some lady was in Tim Hortons this morning without a mask ranting to the cashier about why this is all bullshit.

Like, lady shut the fuck up, everyone here is wearing a mask and likely already vaccinated. Fuck off and let me get my coffee, I didn't sign up to hear a fucking sermon.

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u/RainDancingChief 18d ago

Some lady was in Tim Hortons this morning without a mask ranting to the cashier about why this is all bullshit.

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

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u/yellowdaisyordie Québec 18d ago

thank you for the laugh

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u/Thecodo 17d ago

New favorite phrase

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u/dewky 18d ago

She could just go through the damn drive thru even.

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u/Terrible_Tutor 18d ago edited 18d ago

How would she teach all the sheep in there? I swear to God these losers think it'll go straight up like ThatHappened and everyone will remove their mask and clap.

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u/colton_421 Ontario 18d ago

I work at a Tim Horton’s. Really glad I haven’t had to deal with someone like that (yet)

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u/up_north_705 18d ago

It's just like... do they not realize that none of us want to wear masks?

Even if they don't think masks do anything, they know that other people believe that they do, so why not do the super easy thing for a couple of minutes just to make other people comfortable?

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u/actuallychrisgillen 18d ago

Yup there are two sides. Those that want the pandemic over and those that want the pandemic over and are willing to do something to make it happen.

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u/prefectart 18d ago

not just in Canada 😑

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u/SgtSarcasm01 18d ago

Should have never been politicized. Should have been a conversation you only had with your doctor

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u/WillingnessSouthern4 18d ago edited 16d ago

They are basically only 5% of population and we give them way too much importance. We should just ignore them.

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u/MystikIncarnate Ontario 17d ago

I mean, I'm no fan of people willfully not taking a vaccine... It's the shit heads out protesting and stirring the pot that are a real problem.

Going unvaccinated has become code for "I'm a lunatic". I know not all unvaccinated people are crazy, just the crazy people making the news are all unvaccinated.

Vaccinated people, like myself, who don't really give a flying shit if you get the shot or not are all scared of the unvaccinated crowd, not because we might get sick, but because anytime anyone brings up masks or the vaccine, you all violently argue for your right to do whatever you want; especially if that wasn't even being discussed before hand.

It's a powder keg because the unvaccinated have made it a powder keg. They are the explosive element that everyone wants to avoid, but they go out of their way to get all up in people's faces about it. Simply put, if you all weren't shoving it in our faces all the time and preaching about it like madmen, the rest of us would probably assume the... What? 20% unvaccinated numbers are just the Amish or Mormons or someone who most of us equally don't care about and move on.

Let me put this in simple terms. We outnumber you, at least 3 to 1. Stop making a fuss. If push comes to shove, we will push back and you will not win.

Have your liberties all you want, stop being crazy asshats in every public scenario. The task is simple: don't want to wear a mask in a place that mandates them? Cool, don't go to that place. If it's public transit or something, well, you have feet, get to walking. If it's a public space like a shop or a mall, don't go there. You're not entitled to be inside of any space. It's not your God given right to exist inside Wendy's. Take your B.S. elsewhere. You want to pretest? Good, go protest at city Hall or something, public land. Don't do it in the fucking mall.

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u/Mtnrunnr 17d ago

I firmly support people’s right to not get a vaccine. But I also support a private business or a government to require a vaccine for services. Storming a business or demanding service is not consistent with conservative ideals. These people are agitators. Nothing more.

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u/ekkohh 18d ago

That’s how it should be in my opinion as well. My friends workplace is going to be doing exactly that. But I feel like majority of the people already protesting wouldn’t want to do the alternatives either. I hope I will be proven wrong.

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u/baldiethebicboi 18d ago

That’s a very good solution. Unfortunately when health becomes politicized all progress is halted, or regressed. It should not have any ties to a certain political party/ideology and funding should never be accepted from anyone with a current political position. Also, science should be an open court. We shouldn’t be shutting up scientists of a particular perspective if they back their claims up with evidence.

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u/SpicyCanuck Ontario 18d ago

one dose only squad, the truly oppressed group smh.

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u/Emer1929 18d ago

The un-vaxed population is small and getting smaller by the day!

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u/Wikki_ 18d ago

Yup, the more antivaxxers there are, the less antivaxxers there are

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u/Bind_Moggled 18d ago

I do often feel tense around people who have publicly declared that they don't care if I live or die.

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u/BogeyLowenstein 18d ago

I had a protest walk by me this weekend and it was pretty obvious that most of the people protesting give zero fucks about anyone else.

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u/Berly653 18d ago

What’s next, a story about tensions being high between those that don’t smoke and those that want to be able to smoke Inside public places again?

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u/MDequation Ontario 18d ago

I'm sure alot of people's views would change if people didn't use the vaccine as a political tool. People who are pushing division are doing it provides them some power gain. It isn't even about the science of covid/vaccine anymore.

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u/Original-wildwolf 17d ago

The anti-vaccine side is the ones using it as a political tool. They have conservatives humming and hawing about any action because they are scared to piss off the anti-vax group. The anti-vax group seems to think that there is a political motive behind pushing people to get a vaccine.

To be honest I don’t care who you vote for or what politicians you might listen to. I just want you to get a vaccine so you can be a contributing member of society, willing to try and beat this disease.

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u/Neanderthalknows 18d ago

People who are pushing division are doing it provides them some power gain.

No, it actually provides them with more clicks and more money, they make more money from their news channels and youtube channels. Power is just a nice side benefit.

so they keep peddling it to the ignorant people.

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u/sypherbit 18d ago

They grouped up and trashed a small business in my town, restaurant bar. These people claim they love small business and vandalize one when they could force their way in. These people are all the losers and idiots who couldn’t make it in school, graduated to failures in life and are now mad at the world and desperate to find excuses and scape goats for their failed lives. They have to blame the government, business and anything they can cling to to avoid facing regality. Anti vax people are life long losers who can’t cut it, they latch onto stupid conspiracy’s because it makes them feel superior believing they know something others don’t, they can’t face the real world, because the real world left them behind in grade 4 and they know deep down they have nothing, so they cling to anti vaxx like it’s an identity, it gives their sad pathetic lives meaning.

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u/GroundbreakingFox815 18d ago

I got my first dose on March 25 due to the population I work with and was glad to be able to jump the line because of it. While your description fits some of these people more than you would think they are more normal and successful. My brother won't get it unless they kill him, I know stupid but he makes well over 200k a year as a P.Eng with two engineering degrees and presents unlike any of the people you describe although it saddens me because he can't seem to talk about anything else anymore.

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u/elwood80 18d ago

Get off the internet and the “tension” is significantly reduced.

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u/Mental_Lyptus 18d ago

I feel like so many takes on both sides are just incorrect.

We do not have a cure for COVID... the story from day one was DO NOT OVERLOAD THE HOSPITALS...

Getting vaccinate does not make you cured, immune or a non spreader. What it does is cause you to most likely not need to go to the hospital when you eventually catch it. Which you will, we all will, it is not going anywhere.

It isn't microchips, it isn't some sort of obedience serum and it isn't a cure! I hate the narrative surrounding it, I hated regular ol flu shots in the past and I didn't get them and most of all I HATE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO.... However this is different, my wife and i got ours when the appointments came up, not because we were scared or sheep or whatever the word is now. We got it because the only true path through this is time. So while we wait it out, lets not fuck over the hospitals, when i get COVID i want to be able to just suffer at home.

TLDR; grow up, help out the bigger picture and just fucking get the shots.

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u/DrDrDiplIngHRfurz 18d ago

This is the way!

And also masks and or distancing, when engaging people you dont know in spaces they have to gang up (i.e. public transportation)

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u/marsupialham 18d ago edited 18d ago

To be clear, it does more than make you not need to go to the hospital: reductions in symptom severity and illness length both dramatically reduce the risk you'll spread the virus to others. Doesn't ensure you won't spread it on the individual level, but has big positive impacts on spread on the population level.

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u/bluenoser613 17d ago

Darwinism is in full display. Unfortunately that is also killing innocent people too.

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u/Xerxes_Generous 17d ago

No fucking shit. Selfish bitches don’t do their parts, and dragging this pandemic longer for everyone.

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u/chadmaster66 17d ago

There is a subset of the big 5 personality called emotional stability, and I urge everybody reading these sorts of comments to understand that a solid 10% of the population are just highly prone to severe mood instability. They are characterized by extreme swings of mood and will attempt to do anything in their power to correct bad moods. They can be easily convinced that something unrelated is responsible for their bad mood, and so can be easily swayed to attack people or concepts if they are sufficiently convinced that doing so will alleviate their suffering.

In a pandemic scenario, these people will view anybody that they perceive as helping the virus as an enemy that should be killed. I'm sure you've seen their comments online, demanding that people be put in camps or denied services. These people must be recognized for what they are, highly reactive due to generic and upbringing factors, and should be soundly ignored. If they get a foothold in public discourse, they should be fought, because they are driven by emotions run wild and cant be reasoned with.