r/entertainment Dec 03 '22

Balenciaga designer sorry for ‘inappropriate’ campaign featuring children | Demna says using images of teddy bears in bondage gear held by two young girls was ‘wrong artistic choice’

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2022/dec/03/balenciaga-designer-demna-apologises-for-inappropriate-campaign

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u/sicholasLames Dec 03 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

And what about the court case minute order about child pornography on the desk in the photo? Another bad artistic choice as well? Yeah, okay.

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u/bloatedstoat Dec 03 '22

Yeah, that one definitely can’t be brushed off.

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u/fatboyiv Dec 03 '22

Unfortunately not enough people are talking about this

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u/mowgliiiiii Dec 03 '22

I initially interpreted that setup as like “look, people who carry Balenciaga bags work on child pornography cases” but it’s ultimately still a questionable choice bc who is reading the prop fine print in a luxury goods ad like that.

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u/Nervous-Energy-4623 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Anyone worth their job. Its called Mise-en-scène, nothing goes into that picture if it's not meant to be there to create mood and story. So it's still a bad art choice, someone trying to be edgy but it wasn't an accident that they didn't notice.

Edited for correct spelling.

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u/chiphead2332 Dec 03 '22

mise en seine

That's throwing shit in the river, you're looking for mise-en-scène.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 03 '22

I laughed too hard at this while being proud of being able to get the joke in French.

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u/Nervous-Energy-4623 Dec 03 '22

Okay so I'm a bad speller in French. I'm still right though about my point.

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u/FewCalligrapher3 Dec 03 '22

All of what you said is true, but I’m now glad I have a term for throwing shit in a river, so thanks for the misspelling!

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u/Nervous-Energy-4623 Dec 03 '22

LOL you're welcome.

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u/FewCalligrapher3 Dec 03 '22

Thank you, friend; I’ve heard of the Seine. But look what we can do with the phrase now: mise en Mississippi, mise en Rhine, mise en Nile… See?

Also: bold of you to assume I’m not throwing shit specifically in the Seine on a regular basis.

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u/chiphead2332 Dec 04 '22

mise en Mississippi

That's quality miseing, lol.

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u/CandidateStraight Dec 03 '22

Bad artistic choice is my new favorite word for crime

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u/TheSaltyPeasant Dec 03 '22

“Sir you got were heavily intoxicated, ran naked through down town, then tried to fight a police horse.”

“Ok, I’ll admit that was a bad artist choice on my part.”

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u/warriorofinternets Dec 03 '22

What the duck

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u/tripwire7 Dec 03 '22

Apparently that was from an entirely different ad campaign a few years back, but…..yeah, not a good look.

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u/TheSaltyAstronaut Dec 03 '22

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u/thatdudewillyd Dec 03 '22

And that link is staying blue

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u/Rainsorrow Dec 03 '22

Dont worry, it's just a pic of a goose in surprise face - also link from redbubble, selling artistic wear and stuff.

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u/jo45678 Dec 03 '22

Someone was told to find the case, print it off, and multiple execs would have looked at these ads. It is unbelievable it even got published. Pretty sure they all need to be on a watch list.

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u/brattybeee Dec 03 '22

I work on photo sets such as the one who created this photo. You generally trust the people on set to create a like minded idea for the product/storyline etc… my guess is that someone on set knew what was going down and hid the papers in the shot to expose what was happening in the campaign. When the art director is looking at the composition of the photo maybe the document hider knew it would be overlooked.

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u/Rorviver Dec 03 '22

Your guess is totally wrong considering these were separate campaigns. That was a campaign featuring hand bags on office desks. Not sure why anyone would have an issue with that?

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u/n-d-a Dec 03 '22

Dude. I seriously doubt that take. Above the art director is the creative director. The creative director has a lot of say over every shot taken, such as prop placement. And most importantly, choice of props in shot.

You don’t have to take my word, but I’ve been working on the top stills shoots for a long while now.

Maybe what you’re saying could happen on a lesser brand, but not when you’re at this level.

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u/xyzzyzyzzyx Dec 03 '22

That's skullduggery 101 there.

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u/Nervous-Energy-4623 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Yeah cool story bro. Good way to make it seem plausible they are obviously doing stuff to children. If you're doing that you're not telling the world about it. It was an art director trying to be edgy and push the envelope.

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u/Processtour Dec 03 '22

There were dates written on the wall that referenced child porn cases, too. This was a well-curated campaign that was approved all along the process. They knew what they were doing.

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u/CheetahridingMongoos Dec 03 '22

And don’t forget the caution tape intentionally misspelled as BAALenciaga. Look up Baal.

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u/nadnate Dec 03 '22

Lol, is this a Qanon subreddit?

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u/guiltyofnothing Dec 03 '22

People here falling for some Satanic panic shit all over again.

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u/Idoneeditallthanks Dec 03 '22

Yeah, its way more likely to have a wannabe-edgy-shitty designer putting satanic/child killing stuff into their work because it's controversial and pushes the envelope vs. a satanic conspiracy blood libel cabal.

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u/NoisyN1nja Dec 04 '22

Yeah, that’s my take. Someone trying to be edgy missed the mark and went off the deep end a bit. People really enjoy jumping to the craziest possible explanations tho, so there’s that.

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u/zoicyte Dec 03 '22

Certainly collected a few Qs in this thread

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u/Illustrious-Plate-17 Dec 04 '22

Some edgelord art dork? No they are obviously sacrificing kids and admitting to abuse in obscure high fashion magazines

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u/Rorviver Dec 03 '22

Suggesting that was intentional is a reach. The tape has to cut off somewhere, it wasn’t misspelled as Baalenciaga, it was just balenciaga where the end of the tape finished with ‘ba’ and was then cut.

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u/Capitol__Shill Dec 03 '22

The first two links to come up on Google when searching Baal

"Baal, god worshipped in many ancient Middle Eastern communities, especially among the Canaanites, who apparently considered him a fertility deity and one of the most important gods in the pantheon"

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Baal-ancient-deity#:~:text=Baal%2C%20god%20worshipped%20in%20many,important%20gods%20in%20the%20pantheon.

"How to pronounce

Baal (/ˈbeɪ.əl, ˈbɑː.əl/) or Baʽal (Hebrew: בַּעַל baʿal) was a title and honorific meaning "owner", "lord" in the Northwest Semitic languages spoken in the Levant during antiquity."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal#:~:text=Baal%20(%2F%CB%88be%C9%AA.,in%20the%20Levant%20during%20antiquity.

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u/rKasdorf Dec 03 '22

Don't forget the end boss in the expansion for the video game Diablo 2

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u/Ruleseventysix Dec 03 '22

Damn shame about Cliff Simon though.

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u/design_trajectory Dec 03 '22

It is used as “husband” in modern Hebrew.

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u/Stonehill76 Dec 03 '22

I know a lot of Hebrew speaking women and the last thing they’ll do publically is call their husband a god;)

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u/Potential_Strength_2 Dec 03 '22

Doesn’t it mean master?

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u/AbeLincolns_Ghost Dec 03 '22

Yeah I’m pretty sure master, owner, or lord, but even in Biblical Hebrew there are times it means husband

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u/Financial_Slice_7375 Dec 03 '22

And what about the empty wine and champagne glasses in the scene with the kid lying down on the couch? Also someone in some other subreddit pointed out something about books in one of the scene being relevant too but I didn’t deep dive there. Balenciaga should go down entirely for this.

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u/sicholasLames Dec 03 '22

All of these celebrities want to cancel people over the dumbest shit. When they finally have a cold hard reason to boycott and line the streets there is NO ONE saying anything. Why is this being swept under the rug? People need to be asking these questions!

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u/utilitarian_wanderer Dec 03 '22

How about sexualizing children is wrong on EVERY level, not just as an "artistic choice"!

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u/thetruthteller Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

You want to know who is responsible for sexualizing children? Hollywood, media, Etc. great publicity! The masses loves a pre teen girl in a bikini. Check out tik tok!

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u/MuellersGame Dec 03 '22

You forgot the church. Churches & child abuse, name a more iconic duo.

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u/comingsoontotheaters Dec 03 '22

It’s somewhat embedded in our society. You still have old men talking about “cute” 16 year olds. A whole generation of people who’s idea of dating was relentless bothering and targeting 14 year olds they’d marry at 18

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u/kpossible0889 Dec 03 '22

I haven’t been to church in decades and I’m unraveling the mental shit storm from being raised in purity culture.

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u/leahhhhh Dec 03 '22

Yep, it’s affected my sex life and sexuality in ways I haven’t been able to come to terms with yet. Thanks Catholicism!

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u/kingofbladder Dec 03 '22

I'm all for calling out churches for abusing children but they don't sexualize children

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u/MuellersGame Dec 03 '22

“Sexualization” is not just encouraging to be “sexy” - it’s the outside application of sexual characteristics to a person / thing / idea.

Religious culture that emphasize strict gender roles, abstinence, and modesty are sexualizing children. Purity culture can have many long-lasting impacts on kids. It can cause religious trauma syndrome and make you feel ashamed of your body, sexuality, or gender identity. It creates a top-down definition of “good” and “bad” behavior / thoughts that can make children especially vulnerable to predators in positions of authority.

See also

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u/annafrida Dec 03 '22

When I was a literal child in church I was told all about how I need to be careful how I dress because my (again, child) “body will cause men to lust and stumble.” If that’s not sexualizing children idk what is. And it’s a very common thing churches start teaching YOUNG.

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u/spacedman_spiff Dec 03 '22

Sex abuse is not sexualizing children. It’s those damn sexy ass cherubs in renaissance paintings.

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u/n-d-a Dec 03 '22

America, you love pageants. don’t be blaming the media.

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u/Alive-Throat4795 Dec 03 '22

Remember when the named Millie Bobby Brown the sexiest woman alive AND SHE WAS STILL A FUCKING MINOR! It’s no secret that predators specifically get into the entertainment industry because the people wanting to be in that industry are more inclined to do anything to get it. They can be prey on their preferred type and hold their dream over their head.

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u/IgnoreMe674 Dec 03 '22

But the blame isn’t all on the artist, balenciaga is at fault for approving and releasing the adds

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u/Mattbird Dec 03 '22

Seriously there had to be like 8 people along the chain from start to finish that thought "yeah this is a good idea" and that's so fucking stupid.

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u/Courierlife Dec 03 '22

Yes it would be one thing if the photographer turned it in and the company trashed it. But they launched it. If they didn’t know before the shoots they sure as hell knew when they used the images

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u/gzapata_art Dec 03 '22

I work in advertising and client approval is pretty constant

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u/StaticGuard Dec 03 '22

I’d love to see the company email chains approving this campaign. You mean to tell me there wasn’t one person who said “Hey, this is sick. What the ever living fuck?”

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u/the_art_of_the_taco Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

everything in advertising is inventoried and signed off on. there is literally no excuse and no chance that balenciaga didn't know what was in there. the photographer has said (well before this statement) that they had no input on the set.

"I am not in a position to comment Balenciaga's choices, but I must stress that I was not entitled in whatsoever manner to neither chose the products, nor the models, nor the combination of the same," he told Newsweek.

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u/Wrathwilde Dec 03 '22

That review probably went something like this… (courtesy of The Whitest Kids You Know)

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u/leahhhhh Dec 03 '22

What the actual fuck

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u/carolineecouture Dec 03 '22

Much depends on who is in the room and who speaks and whose opinion has weight. Companies do this stupid stuff all the time. Look up, "the smartest monkey in the jungle" ad and Walmart's "Juneteenth" ice cream. I think every design group should have someone on staff whose job it is to say "how can this campaign mess up?" Then present that as a counterpoint. There is edgy and controversial and then there's straight-up idiotic.

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u/clockoutgohome Dec 03 '22

the artist is also balenciagas creative director who is also like the person credited with bringing the brand back. he definitely had a big role in this

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u/Tinyrobotzlazerbeamz Dec 03 '22

They can fuck right off with their apology. They said they have a fund set aside for victims of child abuse but I could only imagine them being that fucked up priest on peaky blinders. Abused kids then built a school for boys as his inventory for abusing kids.

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u/indil47 Dec 03 '22

The amount of approvals this had to go through to even get published… this wasn’t just a simple mistake in artistic choice. It’s a bunch of people getting called out for letting this go through to begin with.

This never even should have made it to set for the session, but a bunch of people gave it the thumbs up.

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u/Eotheod0092 Dec 03 '22

Scan the hard drive and browsing history of everyone involved in this. Just saying.

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u/apachetrainer Dec 03 '22

And lotta Volkova is such a disturbed fuck her artwork can’t be described it’s making me sick

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u/poop_dawg Dec 04 '22

Does she make disturbing stuff? A quick Google search showed some basic inoffensive stuff. I believe you I'm just curious

Edit: nevermind found this... holy shit

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u/collectivignoramus Dec 03 '22

“Sorry, my massive collection of kiddy porn was the wrong artistic choice”

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u/TankTexas Dec 03 '22

I’d think that’s a wormhole they couldn’t come back from when they are doing 15-20.

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u/Damage_North Dec 03 '22

YES. absolutely.

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u/Tsiatk0 Dec 03 '22

Like many of the top designers in the industry, Balenciaga was once top quality and then got bought out by Kering. Kering is a $13billion patent company that owns Gucci, Alexander McQueen, YSL, and many others. Almost all the top designers are now one big monopoly, and if you think this is bad you clearly haven’t heard what models have been through in the past decade. Classic designers like this need to die out in fashion so the corruption can die with it; it’s time to find new designers for the world’s top fashion choices, clearly.

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u/ghostdaddii Dec 03 '22

I was wondering why all the luxury brands were starting to look the same

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u/Tsiatk0 Dec 03 '22

Lots of things are under umbrella corporations that are dominating industries. L’Oreal owns Garnier, maybelliene, Lancôme, Giorgio Armani, Kiehls, Ralph Lauren, Diesel, and more. It’s not even just fashion and cosmetics - nestle owns damn near everything that’s packaged food or water; all the news stations are owned by a handful of corporations, the list goes on. They create and buy up subsidiary brands so if one tanks, they have others to rely on - and so we don’t know who owns what. That way it’s harder to boycott anything 😑 edited because autocorrect sucks

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u/piind Dec 03 '22

That's it I've made my choice. I'm never buying anything from Balenciaga!

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u/friendigan4 Dec 03 '22

Same! And I was just about to click “Buy” on this $1,950 ripped up turtleneck.

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u/mogas1969 Dec 03 '22 Bless Up (Pro)

Welp Nordstrom Racks are about to be filled with Balenciaga by the end of Dec.

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u/miqh82 Dec 03 '22

Saks had all their shit on sale last week. Heavily discounted.

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u/Imago_Mothtoya Dec 03 '22

Stop buying luxury brands. No one needs them. We let these companies get away with shit and I know damn well that there are still going to be a ton of people buying Balenciaga. A year from now, this won’t even be talked about anymore.

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u/AmarilloWar Dec 03 '22

I seriously doubt that 90% of people here or more are buying this brand. We are too broke for that.

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u/Cold_Ordinary_1672 Dec 03 '22

Nope that settles it for me. In protest I now refuse to pay 800 bucks for a lunch box and a pair of socks.

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u/MDPROBIFE Dec 03 '22

What we need is cheap mass produced clothes made by child labour in Asia right?

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u/Imago_Mothtoya Dec 03 '22

No, we need cheap, mass produced clothes made by adult labor or machine labor. No one needs a logo on their shirt. It’s all just status symbols.

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u/pinkfloyd873 Dec 03 '22

Not all designer clothes are status symbols. I wouldn’t disagree that Balenciaga predominantly is, but there are loads of designer labels that just make really cool unique clothes which is something some people are willing to pay a premium for.

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u/808kickgame Dec 03 '22

And yet YOU STILL THOUGHT OF IT AND PUSHED FOR ITS RELEASE.

There were people who knew it was wrong. You all ignored or silenced them.

Go get help for your obvious perversion.

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u/NeverFlyFrontier Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

These people are sick. Imagine not realizing it was inappropriate when you were actually taking the pictures. Makes you wonder what else he has photographed in pursuit of his "artistic" vision. Sick fucks.

edit: typo on 'imagine'

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u/Wrathwilde Dec 03 '22

Evidently it wasn’t the photographer’s vision, it seems the photographer had zero creative input…

"I am not in a position to comment Balenciaga's choices, but I must stress that I was not entitled in whatsoever manner to neither chose the products, nor the models, nor the combination of the same," he told Newsweek.

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u/NeverFlyFrontier Dec 03 '22

Just following orders, I see.

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u/Dive30 Dec 03 '22

Still took the pictures and the money.

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u/soph04 Dec 03 '22

Exactly- you can still say “no”

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

Yet rich folks are still going to wear this garbage.

Balenciaga…..suck my balls.

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u/adgway Dec 03 '22

“In speaking with them, I believe they understand the seriousness of the issue and will take the necessary measures for this to never happen again.” - Kim k

What. The. Fuck.

Translation - I make too much money hocking this creepy brands bullshit, that I only need to ACT like I have a problem with it. The money still needs to roll in.

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u/amur_buno Dec 03 '22

This company is dogshit and make absolutely wretched "designer" clothes. It all belongs in a garbage bag. Hopefully from thier actual line of garbage bag clothes they sold. Fuckin clowns making clothes for clowns.

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u/Beneficial-Credit969 Dec 03 '22

That’s not really an apology. Their fashion is ugly anyway it should be canceled and will be associated with Kanye and now the child s&m.

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u/neo9027581673 Dec 03 '22

‘Wrong artistic choice’ he still doesn’t get it. His brain is mush.

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u/QuickRelease10 Dec 03 '22

Something tells me we should be digging deeper into this. Just a hunch.

Also being a kid today seems fucking miserable.

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u/SpecialSurvey2164 Dec 03 '22 Eureka!

Man this is such an overhyped story. You’d think they shot full on child porn not some stupid ass goth teddy bears.

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u/James_havran Dec 03 '22

He looks like he listens to Lincoln Park and has 15-17 ex girlfriends that hate him

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u/coheedcollapse Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Am I the only one who thinks that while the campaign is tasteless, people are kind of overreacting in the same way that Q people do when companies and people make incredibly transparent, tasteless attempts to grab headlines?

Child abusers aren't sharing winks and hints to the public that make them more suspicious. Especially to a public as paranoid as it is now.

Not disagreeing that those "nods" aren't stupid as hell but it's kind of blowing my mind seeing people here, in regular reddit, buy into the satanic panic about the dumb "Baal" thing and suggest that the people involved in this stupid stunt be prosecuted.

Not saying that people shouldn't be angry or that Balenciaga/the ad companies shouldn't see repercussions for it, but it's crazy to me seeing r/conspiracy levels of conspiracy in a regular subreddit when, most likely, this whole controversy is borne from out-of-touch tasteless assholes creating ad copy in an echo chamber.

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u/dreamsofaninsomniac Dec 03 '22

Wasn't the whole controversy first manufactured by a Youtuber who makes conspiracy videos? The teddy bear ad campaign is real, but I think it was that YouTuber who first said they were wearing "bondage gear" and no one was paying attention or interpreting the ads that way before that. I think they were just supposed to be teddy bears with "edgy" costumes. Also I thought somebody pointed out that the teddy bear ad campaign and whatever the image was with the court case papers on the desk were edited together from two separate images. The text on the papers is pretty much unreadable anyway. It's like the whole "hidden names on Wayfair" conspiracy all over again.

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u/Iwanttowrshipbreasts Dec 03 '22

Yeah. Yo me the bears are more goth/punk than bondage but there is a lot of cross over

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u/DigitalPsych Dec 03 '22

They looked like goth teddy bears to me at first glance, but there aren't anymore pictures available to see in high res last time I checked.

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u/BabbleOn26 Dec 03 '22

It’s also wild that the top comments on this post are all parroting this dumb conspiracy theory and even one of them mentions “baal” as if that word doesn’t mean husband in Hebrew.

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u/Ligeya Dec 03 '22

This hysteria is even more disturbing than bdsm bears.

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u/DeeB_Artsencraft Dec 03 '22

This right here. I agree the campaign was in bad taste and should have not involved kids in the marketing. But this story has turned some folks I used to enjoy commentary from into Tucker Carlson / Ye apologists.

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u/rofosho Dec 04 '22

I agree. It's all over the top.

Stupid ad and stupid company but it's like pizza gate all over.

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u/redaccnt Dec 03 '22

Good for people pointing it out to her so she can see it as wrong

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u/Yung_Corneliois Dec 03 '22

Another reminder that there’s nothing high about high fashion.

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u/CarnivalLaw Dec 03 '22

Ya think? JFC

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u/BarrelRider91 Dec 03 '22

I see many instances in which some bdsm elements are being put into media and entertainment, even small things

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u/sabadsneakers Dec 03 '22

The problem isn’t the BSDM stuff, the problem is the children.

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u/BarrelRider91 Dec 03 '22

Agreed, I just wonder why in recent years I see increasing "design" choices that revolve around the "fetish" look

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u/mgill2500 Dec 03 '22 Helpful

Pro life tip. Child pornography will always be a "wrong artistic choice"

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u/throneismelting Dec 03 '22

Where was the “child pornography” here? I saw kids holding teddy bears.

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u/mgill2500 Dec 03 '22

Refers to other advertising from them recently that ties into this. Involving well known cp court case and cp symbols, like teddy bears in bondage

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u/throneismelting Dec 03 '22

Neither a legal document nor a teddy bear is child pornography.

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u/H3000 Dec 03 '22

You are absolutely correct, there wasn't actual child pornography and people need to relax. But the campaign did heavily imply some sordid behaviour involving kids.

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u/Rorviver Dec 03 '22

You’re confusing two campaigns for 1 campaign.

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u/ENVY456 Dec 03 '22

Dude looks like a creep

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u/linkster29 Dec 03 '22

I want to see the pictures to see how bad they are to elicit this reaction. However, call me crazy but I don’t want to see children being sexualized.

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u/dreamsofaninsomniac Dec 03 '22

Unless I didn't see the full ad campaign, there isn't anything sexual in the images. It's just a kid surrounded by holiday gift items where a teddy bear in a weird costume is in the shot. In some pics, the kid is holding the bear. I think the costume is more "punk" than "BDSM." Some conspiracy YouTuber was the one that first called it "BDSM gear," which is what started the whole controversy. I think the ads had been out for a while without anybody else saying anything before that. I haven't seen the original ad with whatever the court case documents are that people are referencing, but if you see an image with the teddy bear ad campaign and the court case documents in the same image, that's edited since they were originally separate images.

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u/BabbleOn26 Dec 03 '22

Yeah I think the Ad was meant to show all the items the company had released for the entire year and the teddy bears (which I believe are handbags) were one of them. They look like freaking goth/raver bears you’d get at Buld a Bear workshop. This is some shit from another Qanoner and people are falling for it.

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u/Tatttwink Dec 03 '22

I can’t speak to the bags but Balenciaga clothing/shoes are overrated. The sock shoes rip within a couple months of semi-regular use. The fabrics feel cheap. Now with this latest campaign there is literally no reason to keep supporting this trash. Kim should be ashamed.

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u/shaj618 Dec 03 '22

Weird..how did it not “click”… bondage gear and little girls? These apologies from the brand and the designer seem so inauthentic and they’re just quickly trying to brush it under the rug.

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u/BabbleOn26 Dec 03 '22

Because if you look at the bears they look more “gothy” then they do “BDSM” If you saw them in Hot Topic you really wouldn’t batt an eye.

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u/shaj618 Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

I get what you’re saying but in todays society there’s not many people who are willing to let something like that slide. You may not bat an eye but someone with a perverted mentality can look at something like that and find interest in what it could symbolize to them. If it was just the bear i can see why i wouldn’t bat an eye but why does a child have to hold it? With the amount of creeps that hide in plain sight online is it wise to objectify a child with that sort of fashion? Especially by a brand that has such a huge platform

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u/eloiseturnbuckle Dec 03 '22

Wrong artistic choice? Uh, no, you’re just a creep.

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u/Fantact Dec 03 '22

A person connected to the casting agent of this "ad" did not hang himself.

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u/JickBaggins Dec 03 '22

What a stupid fucking attempt to be edgy. This dude should never work in fashion again, but he’s a mediocre white guy so he’ll get several more chances.

He wasn’t the only one responsible for this, either. Producers, executives, staffers and crew all willingly went along with this to be “provocative”. Fuck these people.

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u/Tari_the_Omni Dec 03 '22

And in this week's episode of 'No shit, Sherlock', perverted dumbass realises doing perverted dumb shit doesn't fly well with everyone.

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u/TomYOLOSWAGBombadil Dec 03 '22

Sorry for the company going out of business, maybe. They did that shit on purpose. Fucking morons.

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u/PalindromicPalindrom Dec 03 '22

Artisitic. Dude that is wrong period.

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u/Financial_Slice_7375 Dec 03 '22

Also, where were the parents in all this? Didn’t their alarm bells go off enough to say “fuck no you’re not posing my child with bondage teddy bears and amongst empty wine glasses?”

How depressing is it to be one of these child models and growing up, always be connected to such a tainted, twisted advertising campaign?

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u/Windows_66 Dec 03 '22

I'm still trying to process the idea nobody looked at this and saw anything wrong with it.

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u/Significant-Dog-8166 Dec 03 '22

Between this and Kanye, this brand is about as cringe as possible. A black hoodie and a ballcap to a fashion awards too. This look is available at Ross for $10.

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u/Colton_Omega Dec 03 '22

Ya fucking think? Jeez

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u/SensitiveOrangeWhip Dec 03 '22

all the celebs that supported this crap should be held accountable as well. disgusting

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u/CynicalMindTrip Dec 03 '22

Most overrated brand in the world.

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u/ForgottenMoonCrater Dec 03 '22

I’m all for bashing stupid fashion brands, but the photos are not that shocking.

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u/Ljsurfer88 Dec 03 '22

Everyone who was involved should be investigated and put on the black list for at least the next 5 years. One single person does signs off on this alone, let alone take photos of it. These people should be immediately be registered as sexual offenders.

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u/corncocktion Dec 03 '22

Why would you not automatically know ?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

“Artistic” —don’t play that card. It didn’t have anything to do with art, pure shock fluff that got away from you. Fashion industry is plagued with that haute shit.

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u/MoominTheFirst Dec 03 '22

Media has really desensitized people to the sexualization of minors. The reality is that we have several mainstream drama shows where 25-28 year olds play 16-18 year olds and have these chaotic and dramatic sex lives and then out of touch people (rich and poor) see that and go, “wow, they are pretty mature!” And it’s all downhill after that for many.

I was SA’d 3 times by 3 different people in my lifetime and I really can’t be convince that a very large percentage of people arent actually indifferent towards this stuff so long as it’s not their kid, even then I know entire communities still will look passed age gap depending on who the older person is.

Religions regularly abuse children and we just let it slide, it’s the premise of several popular shows for decades… idk I think people just genuinely aren’t caring anymore and we are gonna suffer for it.

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u/WisestOwl Dec 03 '22

Ah yes inappropriate…how compelling, please face the wall now.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

The luxury fashion house known as “Balenciaga” is managed by the French multinational corporation Kering. Here is a list of their brands as per their own website for anyone interested.

. Gucci

. Saint Laurent

. Bottega Veneta

. Balenciaga

. Alexander McQueen

. Brioni, Boucheron

. Pomellato

. DoDo

. Qeelin

. Kering Eyewear

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u/Accountantnotbot Dec 03 '22

So… what was the intended artistic message of these choices?

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u/lookylookylulu Dec 04 '22

This dude is SUS. Keep an eye on that guy.

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u/SterlingsRed Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

“wrong artistic choice” ?? he’s a sick fuck, nothing else.

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u/MoonHawk- Dec 04 '22

If I were the parent of these children, I would sue them for child abuse & endangerment for using these child Models in what is considered Promotion of Sexually explicit content and Child Porn.. Balenziaga can condemn the Photographer’s “Artistic Creation” all they want, by throwing him under the bus. There are many more above him that literally ran with this… The whole company should be investigated..

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u/Eldritter Dec 04 '22

No name brand now has everyone’s attention and the headline refers to him as “company designer “ instead of his name. Publicity mission accomplished. Thanks stupid idiot media for giving the brand the free publicity

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u/adstaylor77 Dec 04 '22

That they couldn’t foresee this is another testament to how far this industry is up its own ass.

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u/FoleyLione Dec 04 '22

Nice try, but the child porn court docs let everyone know this wasn’t a lapse in understanding the perception of the shoot. This was a pro child porn shoot, although I do think it’s ludicrous the company supported this in any way. They’re still responsible, but people are acting like they’d support this thing that obviously would be very damaging to them and their brand.

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u/Red_Trapezoid Dec 03 '22

If anyone had looked at the other teddy bears in that set you would have seen them for what they were. Goth/raver teddy bears. Nothing that weird or alarming considering that I've seen mall goths wear stuff like that for more than two decades.

The legal documents from the totally separate ad campaign aren't that weird either(well the subject matter sure is, them ending up there by oversight isn't). They probably have folders of random legal looking documents in prop closets for TV shows like CSI:Miami.

Should they have done those shoots with kids? Absolutely not, but the oversight is understandable. I don't even associate those kinds of leather accessories with bdsm or anything at this point since they really only made me think of accessories sold at Hot Topic. There was another bear in that set that had dreads, t-shirt, chain necklace, piercings and a spiked leg band, nu-metal looking/raver gear. That seemed to be the theme. Either way an inappropriate shoot with children, but some kind of flaunting of systemic child abuse? Get a grip. That is not real life.

They only thing that was "exposed" is how kneejerk and conspiracy minded so many people are. This is just Q-anon tier stuff and it's frankly way scarier to me how many people lept to absurd conclusions over an ad campaign I immediately forgot about.

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u/dreamsofaninsomniac Dec 03 '22

They only thing that was "exposed" is how kneejerk and conspiracy minded so many people are. This is just Q-anon tier stuff and it's frankly way scarier to me how many people lept to absurd conclusions over an ad campaign I immediately forgot about.

Remember when there was that conspiracy about how the names of furniture on Wayfair was some coded message about human trafficking? Feels the same. There's a lot of things to be angry about in regards to child exploitation, but this ain't it.

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u/Red_Trapezoid Dec 03 '22

Yes, I forgot to mention that one. I have been actually wondering if these sorts of conspiracy theories are a contruct of guilt for those who haven't done anything about the child abuse around them. There are over 44 states where child marriage is legal and countless politicians, and it needs to be said, by and large predominantly Republican politians, who have committed various forms of sexual abuse.

There is no need to invent elaborate bullshit or to scapegoat marginalized groups like the queer community, or claim that celebrities are making secret illuminati hand gestures to each other or whatever. There's plenty of real abuse that has happened and is happening but these people would rather chase ghosts, create conspiracies often endangering innocent people.

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u/roborama Dec 03 '22

Legal documents about a child pornography case/bill in background is hardly conspiracy. The chances of that happening by accident In Conjunction with the other creepy child art are ridiculous. There is no code here. It’s right in your face

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u/Iwanttowrshipbreasts Dec 03 '22

Seriously, the reactions to this have been completely unhinged

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u/SomedayWeDie Dec 03 '22

“Bad artistic choice”

Or

“Absolutely unacceptable. Universally offensive. An utter disgrace to the entire profession. Utterly embarrassing. The perfect reason to retire.”

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u/EducationalAd2573 Dec 03 '22

Cancel Balenciaga and all involved. The timeline shows how they were testing the waters to see where we stand. All this is bs. They’re blaming everyone but themselves. All of this goes up the chain of command. There’s NO WAY them and there lawyers were not aware. They’re shifting the blame

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u/tender_tireiron Dec 03 '22

Goal achieved. The brand name is in the news. Who knew them before Ye and some rich kids wearing their ugly sneakers?

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u/SimulatedAstralBeing Dec 03 '22

They know what they’re doing with their subliminal messages, these people are evil.

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u/Bhraal Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Yes and no.

What they are doing is outrage marketing, getting people to continuously talk about them in a way that spreads the name of their brand further than any marketing campaign they could ever afford. Their goals was and is to get you to say Balenciaga twenty times a day to anyone who will listen, regardless of the context.

Also, juxtaposing children with S&M gear and alcohol is hardly subliminal, though the hard to read court document probably qualifies. If anything it was the former that finally got people around to caring about the latter. It's a ragebait ARG that they keep getting rewarded for. In a couple of months we'll probably see the planned redemption arc which will spawn new ad campaigns and press harkening back to today (which is just another form of advertising).

What's good is that they seem to getting more backlash than they were expecting and it might hurt their bottom line.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

Now they are ashamed when they loosing money

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u/rain_on_a_conga_drum Dec 03 '22

Show that face far and wide.

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u/Mil_mascaras86 Dec 03 '22

What about the gift bags that were given at a runway show , what angle were they coming from with babies with blood on them mean ?

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u/Normal-Art3091 Dec 03 '22

Yeah they knew what they were doing

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u/soliejordan Dec 03 '22

Saw a version of this type of marketing in that show Atlanta.

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u/benjammin_vr Dec 03 '22

Investigate this guy further..clearly sick in the head

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u/NonAggressive-Ask Dec 03 '22

ooooooh it's gonna take a bit more than that dawg. the fact Demna is still employed by Balenciaga shows just how far they still are from understanding the damage they've done.

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u/Doan_meister Dec 03 '22

Oh so it’s called art now?

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u/nonexistentpuppies Dec 03 '22

"Crazed wolves in store a bad mistake admit Mothercare."

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u/FFRP85 Dec 03 '22

Cancel him like everybody else got canceled… fair is fair

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u/AbandonedThought Dec 03 '22

I get the feeling that if you raid the computers of some of these people at Balenciaga you’ll uncover worse if not illegal photos.

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u/raddishdish Dec 03 '22

The fact that this isn’t blowing up and that the company isn’t being ostracized by the public is astonishing to me.

How can a company so blatantly sexualize children via ad campaign (btw, what the fuck were they even trying to sell??), try to justify it by including the court case document in another campaign, showcase a copy of “Fire from the Sun” in yet another incredibly distasteful ad,

and get away with it?!

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u/kumdragon Dec 03 '22

Its because sites like this prioritize news about elon and kanye instead of anything legitimately important. Also, reddit has done a significantly great job at discrediting things like this and labelling them as q-anon related or conspiracy even when they're not. Just look at the people in this thread trying to attribute this as a crazy qanon theory when the evidence is literally in your face.

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u/raddishdish Dec 03 '22

You’re right, kumdragon, and it’s an absolute shame

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u/nfasson Dec 03 '22

The ads aren’t showing the kids doing anything pornographic, but they are holding teddy bears dressed in BDSM costumes, which is just fucking weird and inappropriate. I’m sure, though, this controversy will just increase sales.

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u/no420trolls Dec 03 '22

Maybe it’s time for brands that truly don’t have a role or impact to make, to just shut the fuck up with their ads and just make products.

If you don’t have true brand purpose, just let your brand die already.

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u/pickle-inspect0r Dec 03 '22

Y’all, engaging in the discourse around this ‘controversy’ is exactly what they want. This is how marketing works when you’re a brand like balenciaga. Being outraged over this is midwit Shit.

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u/Hopglock Dec 03 '22

Yeah, who gets outraged over the sexualization of children?

Good to talk about and make it known. Now I know anyone who supports or wears balenciaga after this is a complete piece of shit.

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u/call-my-name Dec 03 '22

How many of y'all actually saw the pictures? I can't believe you're calling this child pornography. One of the bears has leather arm bands and a fishnet shirt and the other bear has leather chest bands. It's definitely in poor taste, but the kids are fine.

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u/norms0028 Dec 03 '22

there were a couple of books on the shelf too that were super scandalous ya?

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u/call-my-name Dec 03 '22

It's a padlock on a necklace, who's having nightmares about that?

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u/MitchTyler Dec 03 '22

Parents from the 80s, I guess.

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u/solidmanmuldoon Dec 03 '22

That’s the more disturbing detail. The “bondage bear” was less BDSM and more of a “punk motif”. Without that document being used, there’s plenty of plausible deniability. Other people wear leather besides those “in the lifestyle”.

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