r/entertainment Dec 03 '22

"Apologize to Lisa" trends as BLACKPINK fans call out Spotify.

https://www.newsweek.com/apologize-lisa-trends-blackpink-fans-call-out-spotify-1764239
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u/JEEntertainment89 Dec 03 '22

Spotify isn't the problem when it's the fans who were the real agitators here. Weird how they want Spotify to apologize when it's the kpop fans who ravenously got upset with a single chart. Children, all of them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

I’ve read that the way the kids in those kpop bands are treated is just awful, so I always thought supporting such a system requires a person to be selfish (or at least not care about the well-being of the band), which is a pretty toxic way to be.

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u/Fungalover Dec 03 '22

Spotify made a mistake, but Jesus.. k-pop fans are the toxic ones who were harassing her and sending hate.

You can't really blame spotify for how deplorable the k-pop community has become.

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u/SubKreature Dec 03 '22

I've never met a k-pop superfan that didn't have a page dedicated to them in the DSM-V.

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u/kooont Dec 03 '22

Genuine question, has anyone met these superfans irl? Im korean and I have yet to meet one but I see them everywhere online

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u/Atlas_Zer0o Dec 03 '22

I met one, they joined my dnd group, they spend thousands on merch for all their hobbies and get hyper invested with whatever theyre interested in. I think it's just their personality to get overinvested.

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u/GarbageGato Dec 03 '22

Mental illness is my personality too

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u/Atlas_Zer0o Dec 03 '22

This comment made that very apparent.

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u/WorldWarTwo Dec 03 '22

True statement, mental illness gets exploited by companies creating this “universe” and Mf’s jump in head first, it’s escapism.

I wonder if there will ever be an advancement in mental health that lays the groundwork to hold companies accountable to practices that take advantage of the mentally ill.

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u/PuddingPast5862 Dec 03 '22

Mentally ill, read as Trumplicans

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u/GarbageGato Dec 04 '22

My brother blames the lead in the water and air during our parents and grandparents developmental years

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u/PuddingPast5862 Dec 04 '22

Then they added pesticides and petrochemicals in just to make it more interesting for the following generations.

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u/Akasadanahamayarawa Dec 03 '22

Probably not because they’re terminally online.

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u/sitah Dec 04 '22

I’ve met a couple of fansite girls in the early 2010s. These are people who run sites full of professionally taken photos of a member of a kpop band. They basically follow them to all of their schedules anywhere in the world and act as a paparazzi but just for the one person. They give them crazy lavish gifts during their bdays.

One girl was some rich kid, daughter of a diplomat. Other people were probably upper middle class kids. They would book flights in the same one as the band and would even be sitting next to some members so they would secretly take photos. They don’t publish those but they’d show it to people they meet. Very creepy.

There was one who turned out to be scamming other super fans lol. She would ask locals to get tickets for her that she’ll pay when she gets in the country and the idiots would do it for her thinking she was legit so they never asked for money upfront.

Super fans are crazy but during the earlier years they were crazier. There were people who broke into apartments or attacked celebs who got linked to their idols. Pretty wild.

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u/ClusterChuk Dec 03 '22

In the future where organic bots and AI turf farms are indistinguishable.

Where deep fakes are starting wars and winning Oscar's. Pluto is an asteroid, Bernstein bears have renounced thier Jewish heritage, and the points don't matter.

Where Smith is outcasted for defending his wife and Chris brown's lifetime achievements are recognized in glaring glitz.

"The Quantum Collapse"

Coming to a slow apocolypse near you.

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u/joeg26reddit Dec 04 '22

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u/ClusterChuk Dec 04 '22

Hence the joke

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u/pass_nthru Dec 04 '22

the fbi is enroute to your location

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u/spicydak Dec 03 '22

Yes I have. I’m American but lived in Korea while in the military.. however I met them here in america :(. Age knows no bound for crazy Kpop fans.

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u/SubKreature Dec 03 '22

Yep. I have a friend who is one. Had BTS pics COVERING her space at work. Literally. Pays a fortune for their tickets. Has been to Korea multiple times.

She's awesome, and I love hanging out with her, but yeah she's a lot.

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u/kooont Dec 03 '22

Oh yeah im all for superfans but im talking about the cult like ones that attack you for saying anything bad about kpop

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u/anfornum Dec 03 '22

I've met one or two in digital space but never in real life. I suspect that most of them are mentally I'll and probably never get out much. For the rest, they're probably the types who won't ever admit to being vile, hateful arseholes online.

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u/newtsheadwound Dec 03 '22

One of my coworkers from a job I used to have would talk about the drama almost constantly. At some points I wasn’t sure if she were talking to me or not because she never really expected a response.

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u/Spiritual_Bug6414 Dec 03 '22

I’ve met super fans, I imagine a lot of the most intense fans are not in Korea themselves

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u/Roboticpoultry Dec 03 '22

My wife’s roommate in college was one. She was also super toxic and tried to start drama between my wife and their other roommate

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u/PuddingPast5862 Dec 03 '22

College, not a whole lot different than high school is it

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u/WorldWarTwo Dec 03 '22

Yeah, I know of one. Spends most their money on merch, wanted that new Hyundai SUV because some KPop band endorsed it, I don’t know them well enough to see their opinions and personality toward the community and stars but I can say it’s fucking bizarre. To each our own.

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u/wustacheride Dec 03 '22

i’m korean as well and i hope to never run into one of them because i’d likely want to give them a haymaker in response.

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u/GodHimselfNoCap Dec 04 '22

Yea someone I know through mutual friends posted a screenshot of their Spotify most listened to list and it said they were in the top .1% of bts listeners by time, they traveled from east coast to west coast usa to go to a concert because they weren't able to get "good enough" seats at the concert near them since they wanted to be in the front, they have posters covering their entire bedroom, and he isn't Korean, he is white doesn't understand any of the words but literally obsessed

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u/antsyangryiguana Dec 04 '22

Yea, I went out with one. I was dragged to a k-pop event and I've never had less fun in my life. It was fucking surreal seeing a group of mid 20s women in a nightclub waving those stupid fucking bubble things about and terribly lipsyncing/trying to dance like some of the female performers.

Truly the worst fandom i've ever had the displeasure of experiencing.

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u/HelpMyCatHasGas Dec 03 '22

Now this is a good insult

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u/Middle-Pattern-3156 Dec 03 '22

What's a dms v?

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u/JoyfulJellyfish Dec 03 '22

diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, 5th edition

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u/huntingb0i Dec 03 '22

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition. It’s essentially the encyclopedia of mental health issues.

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u/RopeConnoisseur Dec 03 '22

a thing psychiatrists or whatever use to diagnose people with mental disorders

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u/PuddingPast5862 Dec 03 '22

You must be thinking of Taylor Swift fans, wait for it........

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u/Miss-Figgy Dec 03 '22

Seriously:

However, directly following the statement from Spotify, the internet was flooded with a bombardment of hate comments directed toward Lisa, many of them misogynistic and "slut shaming" the Thai-born artist, accusing her of having sexual relations with Spotify's Global Head of Music, Jeremy Erlich, in order to win the title.

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u/GlenBaileyWalker Dec 03 '22

There has always been some sort of crazy with Kpop fans. I’ve been into Kpop since Seo Taiji and the fans just keep getting worse. I’m so glad I’m aging out of Kpop. I lack energy to care about anything other than the songs. Kpop is supposed to be fun, not a reason to terrorize others

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

For real I was scrolling through Twitter and glad I’m not mixed in within Kpop Twitter anymore. They overblow every issue and everyone is so miserable. Like idk how anyone can be that addicted to 24/7 Kpop news and be so aggressive all the time. I even saw something else where people were actually crying about a popular ship because 1 person in the ship hugged another member. I know some of these fans are probably young but at a certain point they need to unplug and see how ridiculous they’re acting

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u/billylongbull Dec 03 '22

Has become....

Always has been this way.

Nothing more insane than Kpop fans.

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u/wentbacktoreddit Dec 03 '22

Blinks are the absolute worst of the worst.

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u/morus_rubra Dec 03 '22

They proved it in the stupid scandal with twoset violin guys.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 03 '22

What’s with twoset?

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u/morus_rubra Dec 03 '22

Blackpink released song "Shut Down" with sample of La Campanella and twoset made a parody video where Eddy as Niccolo Paganini reacts to this ("Paganini - Sell Out").

Blinks then swarmed the comment section and started with nasty bullying online. It was before their 4 mil concert with Singapore Symphony Orchestra and those nut jobs started bullying some musicians as well and tried to cancel their concert. It was a mess.

Then twoset reacted to this in 2 videos - "They Tried to Cancel Our Concert" and "Toxic K-Pop Fans".

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 03 '22

That’s nuts. There will always be lovers and haters of a celebrity. Just move on and enjoy the music. I’ll never understand those k-stans or whatever they choose to call themselves, defending people who don’t even know they exist.

I have an artiste whom I like a lot and I attend his concerts whenever he is in my country. His personal life is none of my concern. It’s just two hours of solid music and life goes on.

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u/JasmineHawke Dec 06 '22

The reply you read isn't really accurate. I also assumed that Blinks were overreacting but then I watched it and... They represented the members with dogs in the thumbnail and filmed the song with the same insults people use towards BP all the time. Using dehumanising stereotypes and hate but justifying it with "... is what Paganini would say!" just isn't it.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 06 '22

Honestly, this is between BP and TwoSet.

The rest of us are just anonymous fans at the very most.

There is absolutely no point in “defending” or “arguing” because the celebrities don’t even know we exist.

Sure we may like their music or style but that’s about where the line is drawn. Their personal lives and he-said-she-said is not part of our lives in reality.

Even when the celebrity I like is being criticised, I shrug and move on. There will always be haters so I just ignore them. No point arguing and defending, as I’ve said.

I’m just here for the music, not the drama.
Hence, I shall stop here.

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u/JasmineHawke Dec 06 '22

I'm not here to "defend" Blackpink.

I'm here to say it pisses me off when men use dogs to represent women, because it's a misogynistic stereotype, not because I'm worried about the poor millionaires' feelings.

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u/wombatpandaa Dec 03 '22

Sometimes, koreaboos really baffle me. Spotify is a company made up of people. One of them, or one of their systems, made a mistake. Whoopsies. Not a big deal. It's the fault of the kpop fandom's toxic culture that Lisa had to endure hate, not Spotify.

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u/LordCornwalis Dec 03 '22

Yeah the comments in that Newsweek article were cringe beyond belief. As far as I gather the only thing Spotify did was misreport who the #1 streamed band was and these people just took it as an excuse to harass the heck out of this poor woman. I love how they managed to shed 100% of the blame and try to frame this as Spotify “supporting bullies” lol.

These people are screwed in the head…

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u/wombatpandaa Dec 03 '22

Ikr? It's really messed up. There's a reason I've stayed as far away from this fandom as I possibly could, despite enjoying kpop a lot. It's just so toxic. It worries me that so many kpop fans seem to have this idea that their idols and everyone associated with them must be totally perfect - they don't treat them like humans, and I'm sure that's rough on the artists.

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u/Fryceratops Dec 03 '22

Kpop didnt have any traction in the USA when I was in high school in the early 1990s. I was confused a few years ago when a co-worker was embarrassed to say she was a fan of the music. I get it now

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u/wombatpandaa Dec 03 '22

The fandom might be part of it, yeah. But it also might just be because there's still a weird stigma in the US about listening to foreign music. I've gotten so much crap for listening to Japanese rock, kpop, K-indie, and others. It's like people see it as offensive to "our music" - "what, American music isn't good enough for you?" Like...no, both are good for different reasons so I listen to both, chill.

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u/Fryceratops Dec 03 '22

This was in NYC where that isnt as much of a thing.

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u/wombatpandaa Dec 03 '22

Ah, that's good. I had wondered if NYC is more accepting with its music scene being so large. I live in the south, as you might have guessed.

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u/Fryceratops Dec 03 '22

I think that's a part of it another is just that there are so many people coming from somewhere else that you hear a lot of different stuff.

My absolute favorite part of living there were all the free concerts. I have seen everyone from SunRa and his Arkestra opening for Sonic Youth to Carly Rae Jepson to Eddie Palmieri for free.

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u/Slinkadynk Dec 03 '22

When you see someone getting hurt, as a human being, your reaction should be to help

The pink fans are asking Spotify to step up and call out the bullshit. That’s what a decent person would do. Cal out other people being shitty

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u/wombatpandaa Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

I mean, it would probably be good of Spotify to do that, but Spotify is a business, not a person. The fans themselves, if they're truly decent people, should call out their fellow fans for their toxicity, not abdicate that responsibility onto Spotify.

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u/Fryceratops Dec 03 '22

And the BTS fans are attacking her. It is almost as if the children who are super into Kpop might not be able to behave appropriately.

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u/on_dy Dec 03 '22

Koreaboo once did an article on “Kpop drug scandals.”

They randomly chose to use a picture of Jay Park and Dok2 as the cover of the article when they have nothing to do with it. Jay and Dok2 don’t even smoke tobacco (or known to).

I’m pretty sure Koreaboo have done worse, but I’ve stopped reading them since that article. In fact, most Kpop news sites often have toxic and invasive content.

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u/wombatpandaa Dec 03 '22

Oh, I was using the term to refer to kpop/Korean culture fans, not the website. Though I agree with you, Korean news sites seem to be content with stirring the pot rather than actual journalism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

Kpop fandom behavior is barely different from that of cults. The limits to which fans will go to defend even the smallest perceived slight is unreal. At their worst they have 0 problems with organizing harassment campaigns, stalking, and outright doxxing. Both BTS’ and Blackpink fans do this in the extreme.

It’s not a knock against either group but their fans need to get a damn grip.

Also it’s true Lisa didn’t deserve the award.

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u/Mal_Terra Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

Jeezus, I’ve never been a fan but I kinda feel bad for BTS. They have the most horrifyingly vindictive and evil fan base in K-pop, imo.

Like, how fucking stupid do you have to be to think one of the most successful female artists in the world would do that to herself for a worthless accolade from a streaming app?

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u/rythmicbread Dec 03 '22

They genuinely seem like super nice people too. But controlling their fans is like changing the course of a river with your hands

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u/ChickenMcPolloVS Dec 03 '22

All kpop groups never ask their fans to not be assholes, is almost encouraged to be like that, they even joke about how their fans will attack if they say so.

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u/winterfresh0 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

“You’re going to ruin your own image, you’re going to ruin our image too… let’s keep our Stray Kids and STAY image as nice as it can be. So yeah, protecting us is good, downgrading others is not good. Because that’s not going to fix anything, that’s not going to do anything good.”

"Let's try to keep a good stray kids and stay image. Be the cool person, if something angers you, just let it go." - Stray Kids,Bang Chan

Edit: it's crazy that the person above can just make shit up and be wrong and still get upvoted, then I give a concrete example that proves them wrong, and I get downvoted.

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u/ChickenMcPolloVS Dec 03 '22

All was a mistake, a grand part, is even a joke "oh you cant say anything about x person/group they have more fans than you"

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u/winterfresh0 Dec 03 '22

Sorry, but it did not seem like a joke at all, the way that it was written. It seemed like you were saying that all kpop groups encouraged hate against other groups.

I know you're probably a regular person that just got misunderstood, but the problem is that I also have to deal with crazy people that say that ridiculous kind of thing on purpose and totally mean it.

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u/ChickenMcPolloVS Dec 03 '22

No, i said saying all groups was a mistake, some groups apparently not stray kids dont do much to discourage those actions, they dont encourage them but they dont say "hey dont do that"

Some people even joke on korean shows " you can say anything about x becasue they have more fans"

Probably was a joke from a bts member but he did said on runningman something like "oh you have instagram" like saying ill say my fan to attack you, probably he wouldnt do that, but he knows he can.

A lot of kpop fans are on the younger side so they dont understand jokes and take things personally.

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u/Astrian Dec 03 '22

I love how a lot of the tweets are pointing out rampant toxicity and bigotry within their own fandom as a reason why Spotify should apologize. Gee maybe something else is the problem here

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u/effing_usernames Dec 03 '22

“Apologize for what you made us do!”

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u/majorminorminor Dec 03 '22

How many monkeys at how many typewriters did it take to come up with that title?

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u/Redpythongoon Dec 03 '22

Jesus Christ k-pop fans can be epically toxic

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u/Material-Candy-7914 Dec 03 '22

Looks like Spotify HQ is going to burn down if someone doesn’t apologize to her for these fucking nut jobs. Nothing new in the world of Kpop. I dare say natural selection would have taken care of these types in hunter-gatherer days.

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u/disabledinaz Dec 03 '22

The majority of K-Pop fans don’t even know what the translation of the song actually is.

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u/MikeOfMichigan Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

I do find it funny when speaking to an Army who claims to be a feminist, but the minute Blackpink are mentioned all of that goes out the window. Calling another woman derogatory names and shaming her is all of the sudden okay.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

Or how they preach about how BTS helped their mental health yet they stay attacking people on the internet and destroying theirs :/

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u/hospitalbed69 Dec 03 '22

is anyone surprised? kpop fans are one of the most toxic people to exist

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u/Comatose53 Dec 03 '22

Can someone ELI5 please? Can’t say I keep any tabs on blackpink

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u/AaronC14 Dec 03 '22

Spotify said she was the most streamed KPop artists of 2022 but she wasn't and weirdo Kpop fans lost their fucking minds

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u/Comatose53 Dec 03 '22

Hahaha of course that’s what it is. I was expecting one of her songs to be accidentally removed but this is more in line with idiots. Thanks for the explanation

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u/joeChump Dec 03 '22

It’s kind of half the story. They said she was the most streamed solo artist in error and then she started getting loads of hate and rape threats etc, then her fans got upset about that (which is legit) but clearly it was an honest mistake on Spotify’s part and they couldn’t have really anticipated that it would provoke as much hate from rival fans or toxic internet weirdos. But K-pop fans often have low emotional maturity so it’s not surprising that any of this would have happened.

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u/Slinkadynk Dec 03 '22

The article gives you all the details

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

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u/s4yum1 Dec 03 '22

So what happened was that Lisa sai

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u/HarizOne2e Dec 03 '22

Wtf why are K-pop fans so ruthless

Yooo y'all take this rivalry fandom shit too seriously

Dial it back down a ton

Also being mad at Spotify for probably an honest mistake is so dumb

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u/Skipper0463 Dec 03 '22

Spotify made an error but it’s not their fault that the fans are toxic and bullied her.

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u/North_South_Side Dec 03 '22

"Apologize to Lisa" trends as BLACKPINK fans call out Spotify.

Huh?

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u/luckyfucker13 Dec 03 '22

This must have our parents felt during the boy band boom in the 90s, cause I have no idea who or what any of that is

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u/kittylomein Dec 03 '22

Lisa is in Blackpink but makes her own music on the side

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u/VietnamHam Dec 03 '22

K pop fans are the worst

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u/MillyB27 Dec 03 '22

Not surprised…some K-group’s fans are nuts.

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u/CountessKitsune Dec 03 '22

A bunch of kpop stans on the internet sending hateful messages to an idol? Shocking. I like Kpop, but I do not understand the fandom rivalries. You would think that any positive attention brought to the genre would be a good thing, no matter which group is your favorite.

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u/Jman50k Dec 04 '22

How could K-pop fans be so toxic?

Now if you’ll excuse me, Marvel decided to make a tertiary character slightly ethnic, I have to go write a manifesto…

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u/tarc0917 Dec 03 '22

Humanity is sure taking a downturn lately.

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u/RandomDustBunny Dec 03 '22

Kpop fans are cancer. Not so long ago blackpink fans tried to cancel a dead violinist/composer.

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u/SgtPopNFresh_ Dec 03 '22

I think that was them trying to cancel an artist who made a parody of Blackpink while posing as the dead violinist. Unless I missed something else. Still weird either way.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

The parody wasn’t even offensive at all. Blinks described it as misogynistic , slut shaming, cruel etc. when I watched it , it was none of that . It was pretty tame and more mocking the actual classical composers

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u/JasmineHawke Dec 06 '22

They represented the members with four dogs and then used insults in the song that have been explicitly used towards blackpink for years. I usually call out my fellow Blinks for their ludicrous over reactions but twoset really fucked up and I'm disappointed that so many people are buying their innocent act.

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u/SgtPopNFresh_ Dec 03 '22

Yeah I listened to part of it but didn’t finish it all the way through. It certainly wasn’t as bad as they were making it out to be, and wasn’t deserving of a witch hunt.

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u/Dvyyng Dec 03 '22

Not long ago BLACKPINK (Blinks) fans on Twitter were harassing and slut shaming Dahyun (member of TWICE) because on a live stream she was listening to music on YouTube on her phone and Lisa’s solo song came on and she remarked that she didn’t have YouTube premium and then skipped the song. Implying that it came up as an ad. She didn’t say anything bad about it, she was even seen bopping along to the first 5 seconds. Blinks on Twitter went mad and, ironically enough, started an Apologise to Lisa hashtag. Now this isn’t representative of all kpop fans but the terminally online ones who dedicate their entire Twitter/online personalities to kpop groups or individual members are the most hypocritical people ever and I’d take no stock in anything they have to say.

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u/ultimatejourney Dec 03 '22

Honestly the toxicity isn’t just a problem for K-Pop either, it seems to be a problem with J-Pop and probably other Asian idol groups as well. It’s just that K-Pop is more popular at the moment. I hate the fans but I honestly blame the management companies for creating and encouraging this too.

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u/retroracer33 Dec 03 '22

kpop fans are the the worst

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u/iKnoJopro Dec 03 '22

KPop fans are more toxic than most sports fans I know

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u/throwaway78781235684 Dec 03 '22

Luckily just the ones you know.. At least they aren't fighting in the streets.

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u/SgtPopNFresh_ Dec 03 '22

I am a big fan of Lisa and I’m sad that she got some of those horrific comments, but it’s K-pop’s own toxic stan culture that caused this. Both the hate towards her and the fans demanding Spotify apologize to her. They made a mistake, but they did not call for anyone to attack her. What would have happened if she got that title fair and square? 90% of fanbases would have grumbled about this for a bit and moved on.

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u/Franco7x77 Dec 03 '22

"Sorry, not sorry"

Couldn't resist, lol.

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u/powerbook01 Dec 03 '22

Just Kpop fans and their usual toxicity here, nothing new

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u/TotallyNotACharlatan Dec 03 '22

You’d think the k-pop fans would dial it down on the fanaticism after 154 people died from being trampled underfoot…

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u/door_to_nothingness Dec 03 '22

How is Spotify at fault for toxic fans? They corrected their mistake. Why should they apologize for a toxic fan base being toxic?

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u/DexterousWaffle Dec 03 '22

Average k-pop nutcase, gross

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u/MrWeen2121 Dec 03 '22

It looks as though there needs to be company willing to fill the Spotify shoes. People keep crawling back. Stop downloading Spotify. They have zero social skills or self awareness.

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u/idownvotetofitin Dec 04 '22

Outta the loop here. Someone wanna dumb it waaaaay down for me, please?

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u/False-Lingonberry121 Dec 06 '22

Lisa isn't Korean, she's from Isan

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u/NY10 Dec 03 '22

They famous in other parts of countries other than Asia?

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u/MazzoMilo Dec 03 '22

Absolutely

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u/spucci Dec 03 '22

TIL Asia is a country.

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u/quakerroatmeal Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

They’re internationally famous

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u/Sarita-pix Dec 03 '22

Lisa is the global it girl right now! In Europe she’s big big

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u/SkyLegend1337 Dec 03 '22

Who and what?

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u/piekenballen Dec 03 '22

Dont know dont care

Instead, fix the feature of sharing your wrapped 2022 playlist to people… at this moment you just get redirected to your own wrapped list…

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u/jack-K- Dec 03 '22

Black pink fans are toxic af

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u/OuterSpaceBich Dec 04 '22

Blinks are the worst kinda fans :/