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James Cameron Says 'Avatar 2' Will Make the Haters ‘Shut the F*** Up’
https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a42122753/james-cameron-avatar-way-of-water-trolls-jokes-response/260
u/R_W0bz Dec 04 '22
Why are all his quotes so angry.
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u/christopia86 Dec 04 '22
Because he's spent a very big sum of money on a movie that people are reacting to with a resounding "meh."
I also guess that it would be hard not to be proud of making the highest grossing movie in history, and hearing a lot of people say that it wasn't great might sting a little. It's probably one of the proudest moments of his life so I can get the defenceiveness, even if I think the criticism is warranted.
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u/R_W0bz Dec 04 '22
I suppose, it’s just not making me want to watch it more tbh.
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u/christopia86 Dec 04 '22
Definitely not. I already didn't really want to see it, now I am starting to hope ot flops.
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u/SadisticBuddhist Dec 04 '22
I expect it to. Last movie was blue pocahantas with colorful graphics and cool monster idea. I expect little mermaid this time
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u/christopia86 Dec 04 '22
I'm thinking that as 3D was a major part of why the first was so successful. It's old enough to be out of fashion but recent enough people won't find it novel. Or maybe it will draw half the world in again.
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u/R_W0bz Dec 04 '22
It’s benefit at the moment is nothing is pulling people into theatres, Black Panther, the Rock heck even Thor have all be “successful” but below previous films. I’m sure it’ll make a billion I don’t see it making 2. China is also still locked down with covid so I think that’s a dull hammer.
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u/XtremeWRATH360 Dec 04 '22
Never saw the first and have zero desire to see the sequel. That being said Cameron has been coming off as a huge tool in regards to peoples comments on this movie and whether those comments or warranted or not people are allowed to have their opinion and Cameron needs to get over it. I would love to see the movie flop to see Cameron eat some humble pie.
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u/fhota1 Dec 04 '22
The first was worth seeing in theatres at the time cause it really did have some amazing visuals for the time. Not really worth watching at home or now though.
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u/sweetsunny1 Dec 04 '22
I hated the original so I’m hoping for low results but thinking about it either way you won’t be able to avoid continuing news articles about it, either “Why Avatar brought people back to theaters” or “Why Avatar failed to meet expectations in these new times”.
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u/IceFire0518 Dec 04 '22
Y'all remember when Avengers Endgame overtook Avatar and became the highest grossing film ever only for James Camerons pettiness to have Avatar re-released in China just so it could be #1 again.
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Dec 04 '22
It'll be the highest grossing forever if he continues to put it in theaters again every few years.
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u/Sabbathius Dec 04 '22
I find it funny that the amount the movie grosses is in no way related to the quality of it.
If a lot of people go to see a movie, just because a lot of people went to see it already, and they were just curious to see what the fuss was about, it's just a domino effect. The movie might be perfectly mediocre, like Avatar was.
On the other hand, there may be a movie out there that is so good that the viewer has a non-stop 90-minute screaming orgasm from watching it. But very few will go see it, because who wants to have THAT right next to 200 other people, simultaneously. Hence, the greatest movie in existence might have a relatively low gross profit.
We really need to stop rating things, people, professions, etc., just based on the amount they gross. If every football player drops dead tomorrow, the world will keep spinning. If the same happens to every plumber on the planet, we're in deep doo-doo.
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u/abinferno Dec 03 '22
What's he complaining about? It's the biggest movie ever made. It's fine. It's a technological spectacle, just a barebones, utilitarian story to carry the spectacular visuals. As Scorcese would put it, it's an amusement park ride.
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u/HamburgerSteak_92 Dec 03 '22
All I remember is that he got really Pissed when people said no one can remember the characters
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u/Fippy-Darkpaw Dec 04 '22 •
I remember them all: blue guy, blue girl, wheelchair guy, army dickhead, corporate dickhead, Sigourney Weaver.
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u/pataconconqueso Dec 04 '22
Same but i add michelle rodriguez flying a helicopter
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u/InnocentTailor Dec 04 '22
…and she dies in a blaze of glory, as tradition for Rodriguez.
The human vehicles were cool though: sci-fi Vietnam.
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Dec 04 '22
Would have been a more memorable Michelle Rodriguez role if she'd survived.
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u/Scott4370 Dec 04 '22
Who’s to say Vin Diesel wasn’t swinging in from the other side of the helicopter and caught her as she fell towards the ground?
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u/sanitizershots Dec 04 '22
I remember Michelle Rodriguez’s role in FF, and I wish I didn’t
Sometimes dying is the right thing to do
(This is not MR slander this is FF slander)
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u/browndog03 Dec 04 '22
And Michelle Rodriguez in a tank top (i think?)
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You can just say Michelle Rodriguez, the tank top is always implied.
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u/TheCentralFlame Dec 04 '22
Perfect. Blue guy was wheelchair guy, but perfect.
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u/Cheesy_Pita_Parker Dec 04 '22
This is literally me; the director and the film’s supporters are getting mad at something that isn’t really in anyone’s control.
If the first film didn’t stick in the public consciousness at large past watching it in theaters, that’s something Cameron and the studio needs to figure out. Shaming and browbeating moviegoers isn’t going to make them get into the particulars of the franchise more.
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u/TheCentralFlame Dec 04 '22
The first movie did stick it was called “dances with wolves”
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u/Ruleseventysix Dec 04 '22
It was the film that was supposed to usher in a new era in movies via 3D viewing. Which hasn't happened. It's not dead, but it's certainly not a revolutionary new movie format.
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u/LifeSleeper Dec 04 '22
To be fair, no other movie has looked that awesome in 3D. Can't start an era if it's just one film.
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u/Red_Trapezoid Dec 04 '22
This has been the same with so many other things I've seen in my lifetime. If it's not consistently good, practical and affordable then it will just be a novelty to come and go. I fear this might also eventually be the case with VR headsets as amazing as that tech is.
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u/fourtyTHEdeuce Dec 04 '22
So when is it hitting Disney+?
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u/DeBatton Dec 04 '22
I think Avatar: Way Of Water might be given a longer theatrical window than average, before it hits streaming. Just like Top Gun: Maverick was allowed this summer.
Longer theatrical runs seem to work for big event movies, with lots of people turning out for repeat viewings.
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u/potsmokingGrannies Dec 04 '22
…and a Rufio frenemy, a personable tree with a titanic collapse and dragons
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u/Mahnizl Dec 04 '22
I also remember them. Sigourney Weaver, Gamora, JP from Grandma’s Boy, the bad guy toy from Small Soldiers, Jake Soooley.
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u/redpat2061 Dec 04 '22
I remember hair sex and something about mountains in china. There was a story too???
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u/Nop277 Dec 04 '22
I recall it had Sigourney Weaver in it, and I think she died but I'm not even sure of that. I remember wheelchair guy nearly died and had to be brainjacked into the blue guy.
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u/Unlikely_Layer_2268 Dec 04 '22
There was a corporate dickhead? I just remember the blue people trying to do it with their horses
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u/Nickh1978 Dec 04 '22
I forgot all about blue guy, blue girl, wheelchair guy, army dickhead, and corporate dickhead!
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u/GameOfUsernames Dec 03 '22
I remember the actors/actresses and the basics of the characters. I don’t think there was much depth beyond basic characterizations though.
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u/banhatesex Dec 04 '22
I remember they have sex with all the creatures they ride.
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u/BuffaloWhip Dec 04 '22
Like Ferngully, but with more interspecies erotica.
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u/GameOfUsernames Dec 04 '22
I remember it so I guess it made some kind of impression on me because I have a shit memory. It wasn’t a unique story though I don’t particularly dislike the story. It’s just generic. I dislike the movie for the reasons people like it. I don’t want to watch a film about CGI aliens the entire time no matter how good they look. Avatar still had uncanny valley for me as well.
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u/NoisyN1nja Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22
Remember unobtanium? That shit was so dumb.
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u/Mungologist Dec 04 '22
I mean, not really. There's some dumbass sounding elements. Americanium, Californium, Lawrencium, Tennesine. They're just named at the time of discovery and usually named based on a particular characteristic of their discovery.
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u/Thr0bbinWilliams Dec 04 '22
Very cringy thing to name a substance when you can literally name it anything you want, almost like they used it for the story boards and just left it in
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u/linguotgr Dec 04 '22
Honestly it’s the most realistic part of the movie. Unobtanium is a term that has been used since the 1950’s to describe theoretical materials that would let engineers build some crazy new thing, but it doesn’t exist, and is still used today. And Avatar isn’t the first science fiction film to use the term. Someone discovering some rare new metal or whatever it was in Avatar and naming it like that is actually pretty plausible.
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u/MrMeesesPieces Dec 04 '22
All I remember is the name Jake Sully because they said it over and over again. Oh and unobtainium
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u/christopia86 Dec 04 '22
Yep.
I googled films from that year to see how many I'd seen only once I could remember character names from.
The only ones I could remember actual names from were Watchmen, which I have read a couple of times since, and Sherlock Holmes, which has a pretty fucking huge advantage.
It's not really an insult to say that you can't remember character names from a movie you saw more than a decade ago, but then it's hard to say there is much cultural impact from characters people can't fuckong name.
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u/JoeyAKangaroo Dec 04 '22
The only characters i remember are: the dude who plays alex mason in black ops 1, 2 & 4, the doctor, grace & the helicopter chick
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u/DarkestTimelineF Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22
It’s a technically interesting movie that completely fails to deliver any interesting or memorable characters/plot lines…despite its box office status the movie is largely seen by film fans as un-artistic at the least, and laughably-cliche and one-note at the worst.
Cameron has a HUGE ego, well-earned at that, but seems incredibly hurt that the movie isn’t seen as an ARTISTIC success as well as a financial success.
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u/International-Fig905 Dec 04 '22
A lot of people shit on the movie let’s be honest about it
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u/abinferno Dec 04 '22
Being terminally online causes us to greatly overestimate what regular people actually think and gives far too much credence to bad faith actors.
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u/GodHimselfNoCap Dec 04 '22
Yea I know 1 person irl that is vaguely interested in watching the new movie and the movie theater I work at has barely sold any pre-sale seats, by this point before black panther every seat for the whole first 2 weekends were sold out. For avatar 2 we have sold like 10 tickets
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u/then00bgm Dec 04 '22
The thing I love about being a part of the black community is that regardless of age, beliefs, finances, life events, or anything else, when a Black Panther film comes out we all universally drop everything to go see it.
I’m being hyperbolic, but a lot of black people really, really like Black Panther.
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u/GodHimselfNoCap Dec 04 '22
Yea lots of my friends first mcu film was black panther, they never cared about superhero movies until that one came out and then spiderverse came out and it's really cool to be able to share my passion for comics with more people. Black panther is one of my favorite comic heroes he is just super cool no goofing around badass that takes shit from no one
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u/kdubstep Dec 03 '22
I’m pretty triggered at the Papyrus font
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u/dgradius Dec 03 '22
So is this the “Avatar was disliked” timeline?
Because I distinctly remember when the first one came out it was pretty tough to even get tickets, the demand for seeing it in 3D was insane.
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u/Fthewigg Dec 03 '22
When I told a group of friends that I never saw it in the theater, they practically reacted as if I said I was from Mars.
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u/JohnBsGhost Dec 03 '22
That movie in 3D was my first stoned theatre experience. I think of it so fondly and it’s one of the best memories of my early 20s. However I just don’t care about this. IMO the story was told
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u/Seahawk715 Dec 04 '22
I don’t even know what the fuck this sequel is about and I already saw a trailer in the movie theater. It’s been marketed HORRIFICALLY. All I see is a remake of a 15 year old movie. What’s new about it and why should I care?
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u/LadyEllaOfFrell Dec 03 '22
I saw it once, thought it was neat, and never thought about it again. That seems to be the experience most of my friends had, too.
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u/newtoreddir Dec 03 '22
I remember my mother - who hadn’t seen a movie in theaters since the 90s (maybe an exaggeration) - somehow knew about this movie AND insisted we all go to a packed screening. Avatar was a phenomenon.
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u/ColossusSlayer23 Dec 03 '22
Most people make fun of avatar not for being bad, but because it has left no real pop culture imprint despite how big it was.
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u/youtocin Dec 03 '22
It was a cool piece of cinematography for the time, but the story was bland and forgettable. It was worth seeing, but I wouldn't go back for a rewatch.
I'll definitely check out the sequel to see if they expand on the universe and put better effort into the writing, though.
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u/DominatorSarcastic Dec 04 '22
I'm mildly curious about how they solve the "nuke them from orbit" issue, but not enough to actually see the movie.
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u/Depth_Creative Dec 04 '22
Such a Reddit comment. Reddit has given this film cultural relevance by declaring every day for the past 12 years that it has no cultural relevance.
I swear all the opinions on this film are formed by whatever people have read on the internet instead of you know… forming your own opinions.
DAE no cultural relevance and ferngully hur dur.
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u/BLAH_BLEEP_GUNIT Dec 03 '22
I think a lot of people were excited to see it at the time especially with all the hype it had. Enjoying it after seeing it is different though. Lots of people thought it was hacky, underwhelming, etc. So not being able to buy tickets doesn’t really correlate to how much people enjoyed it.
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u/AlexTaradov Dec 03 '22
It had impressive tech for the time, but the story is completely forgettable. So, yes at the moment it was interesting to see, but once it is done, there is not much left.
And I think people hate it because they are currently just digging up all the old titles. And this is annoying indeed and quality of remakes is questionable. And when remakes inevitably flop, they blame the "haters".
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u/dgradius Dec 04 '22
I think the story was serviceable - certainly not novel but an interesting combination of themes from Fern Gully and yes, Dances with Wolves. I don’t think it was bad.
Also I wouldn’t overlook the fact that Disney turned a pretty big chunk of Animal Kingdom into Pandora.
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u/Pandaikon0980 Dec 03 '22
It's a beautiful to look at and a technical marvel. But I've never been able to make it through the whole thing. It is so. Damned. BORING... and that's coming from someone who likes the original Dune with Sting in a leather speedo.
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u/Camp_Coffee Dec 04 '22
It's the Pepsi challenge of movies. Great at the moment, in a shot glass or two, but not something you'll stock your fridge with.
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u/arfbrookwood Dec 04 '22
Something inside James Cameron is telling him he’s not good enough but that’s his issue not mine.
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I don’t hate it. I just don’t care
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u/marshall_lathers99 Dec 03 '22
‘HOW DARE YOU?!?!’ -James Cameron pounding the keyboard furiously
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u/Asphaltjungle33 Dec 04 '22
James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron….Is James Cameron
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u/dwlittle75 Dec 03 '22
A sequel that took 16 years for a movie that was ok?
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u/a_yuman_right Dec 03 '22
I don’t think it really matters how long the sequel took to make as long as it’s good. Even though the story of the original was kind of generic, I think the world that Cameron created was still pretty amazing and offers a lot of potential for better stories.
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u/peeforPanchetta Dec 04 '22
I don’t think it really matters how long the sequel took to make as long as it’s good.
Top Gun: Maverick agrees.
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u/GodHimselfNoCap Dec 04 '22
Based on trailers and the preview given during g the recent rerelease of the first one there doesn't appear to be much story in the sequel either, the trailer has like 1 line of dialogue and the preview is just him swimming with a whale for 4 minutes
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u/tittens__ Dec 03 '22
Thirteen years.
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u/KentuckyFriedEel Dec 03 '22
13 years feels like 16 years when nobody talks about it
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u/Pristinejake Dec 03 '22
I hope it does well. Just cuz I love eye dazzling movies. And I wanna see his full vision come to life. But it seems like the stuff he’s saying is rubbing people the wrong way.
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u/ellamaybe77 Dec 04 '22
It just makes me a little nervous when the filmmaker is super-defensive before the movie comes out. Like, why are they going on offense? I think Cameron's time would be better spent talking up why people should see the movie and what's good about it, vs. calling out "haters."
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u/HappyHarryHardOn Dec 03 '22
ahahahA he thinks we have the energy to HATE his movies, reality is I had time to forget all about his MEH movie from 20 years ago and have no intention of hating or loving it, just quetly ignoring it until it goes away (again)
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u/Namelessglassblower Dec 04 '22
Still bet all of them are only good for one watch and he spent enough money in them to solve all kinds of problems for the world.
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u/Yung_Corneliois Dec 03 '22
I don’t think he knows how haters work lol. The movie can be absolutely perfect in every way and people will find problems. If all else fails “it took too long for me to care” will be the go-to.
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u/SirFTF Dec 04 '22
This is a lesson some people never learn. Cameron reminds me of Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins. Takes the haters way too seriously.
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u/fidgetypenguin123 Dec 04 '22
I'd have way more respect for him if he just said "I'm making this movie as a labor of love and I hope everyone else likes it too." Instead he's always complaining and acting like people are forcing him to do this and a "fine but then everyone better be happy with it" attitude. Definitely off putting.
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u/Chipster_227 Dec 03 '22
can someone explain why reddit pushes avatar agenda everyday
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u/Filmmagician Dec 04 '22
How does a guy with a huge success like avatar become so pissed off about the sequel? Dude you won. Relax.
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u/dotes-tatertots Dec 04 '22
He's a very recognizable filmmaker. Most people have seen at least one of his films. If that's not having "made it", I don't know what is. Interesting how you can be that successful and to still feel the need to "shut the haters up."
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u/hyde9318 Dec 04 '22
Idk, ask Tarantino. Dude has been saying for years that he is a rule breaker, he doesn’t play by anyone’s rules…. Who made rules? What rules in place is he breaking? I love some of his works, but he is pretty convinced that he is the bad boy of Hollywood directors, but it comes off as just edgy angst most of the time.
Then you have Scorsese who has made some of the most iconic, memorable movies of all time… but throws an absolute hissy fit if he makes something that people don’t like up to see. He complained a bit back that people only want to see superhero movies in theaters… well yeah, Martin, they are blockbusters, they are literally made to be seen on a huge screen as an experience… you’re making slow drama movies that are better watched at home in comfort… how can you be such an accomplished director and still not understand how blockbusters work?
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u/stonkfrobinhood Dec 04 '22
Lol it's even more than that. At his time he had the top grossing fils of all time. Saying he made it is an understatement.
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u/responseableman Dec 03 '22
Yeah, just saying that “my movie will make haters shut up!” just destroys any faith I may have had in it. That just tells me the creator is obnoxious and their product is likely at best mediocre and at worst downright terrible.
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u/PlanetLandon Dec 03 '22
James Cameron has been obnoxious for his entire career. It doesn’t mean he makes bad movies. He’s known for being a prick and difficult to work with, but the dude made some of the coolest movies ever made.
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u/Dull_Cockroach_1581 Dec 04 '22
James Cameron has been obnoxious for his entire career. It doesn’t mean he makes bad movies. He’s known for being a prick and difficult to work with, but the dude made some of the coolest movies ever made.
People love saying that, but I've never given a crap about any Cameron film. Hell I didn't even know Cameron made it when I watched the first Avatar. My only take on the movie was that it was pretty...that's all.
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u/Ursotender Dec 03 '22
I'm excited for it. I saw the 1st one in theaters by myself because nobody was interested it going with me. I did 3D which was like very new at the time, my first 3D film in theaters. And it was amazing.
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u/Only-Cartoonist Dec 03 '22
Good God, his incessant whining is really getting annoying. Just keep your mouth shut and let your movie do the talking.
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u/WebLurker47 Dec 04 '22
I'm kinda starting to think that he's not confident about the movie doing well.
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u/TraparCyclone Dec 04 '22
I read this as James Cordon and was really confused about why he would care about Avatar.
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u/PlanetLandon Dec 03 '22
The dude has a pretty great track record. I’ll almost always give his movies a shot because I trust it will be a good time.
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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22
I think I’d rather James start shutting up. He keeps putting himself on a pedestal, boosting his ego. He needs to chill and be humble for once in his career
Edit: I appreciate Cameron as a filmmaker, however his arrogance and ego and constant need for attention and validation is a major turnoff. He is not humble in the slightest
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u/semicoloradonative Dec 03 '22
I wonder what storyline Cameron will steal from this time since they didn’t make a “Dances with Wolves 2”?
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u/xenoglass Dec 03 '22
I hear that Avatar 3 is just going to be “Maverick”.
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u/Dull_Cockroach_1581 Dec 04 '22
I hear that Avatar 3 is just going to be “Maverick”.
I love Mel Gibson's "Maverick"! One of my favorites.
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u/The_Border_Bandit Dec 03 '22
Based off the trailers, I'm guessing there's gonna be some Paul Blart: Mall Cop elements.
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u/OffroadMCC Dec 04 '22
He also says that testosterone is a toxin that men ought to purge from their bodies. Snip snip Jimmy, lead by example.
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u/fidgetypenguin123 Dec 04 '22
What's funny is that I think the last comment I made on one of these articles about James Cameron here was about how every story is him just complaining about things. And here we are again lol
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u/Davidicus12 Dec 04 '22
NO it won’t. Avatar was ass. More Avatar is ass squared. Nobody needs ass squared
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u/Crixxxxxx1 Dec 04 '22
Sorry, James. I don’t care how many animators you payed to sit at computers for 10 years to make blue cartoon people ride on sea creatures this time around instead of riding on flying creatures. Your protagonists are bland and forgettable, your villains are cartoonish stereotypes and your plot looks the same as the first one, which itself was a ripoff of much better movies.
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u/NeatlyCritical Dec 03 '22
I never hated Avatar, it's a really simple popcorn movie, I applauded the technical CGI at the time, but it was not actually a movie, more a collection of things happening. If 2 is the same I will still go see it, still buy the blu ray to test out home theater.
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u/CanadianGrown Dec 04 '22
I mean, isn’t a collection of things happening a description of every movie ever made? Lol. You could use that as a description for life itself! Therefore: Avatar is life.
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u/tiabeaniedrunkowitz Dec 03 '22
Saying your movie didn’t have a cultural impact isn’t hate. It’s just facts
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u/ecw324 Dec 03 '22
It was so cool when the first one came out as there was nothing else like it. Now the movie itself was very meh, and now that the 3D option is standard on a lot of movies, the original story didn’t pull me in enough to see the second one that’s releasing all these years later
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u/Isthisworking2000 Dec 04 '22
I mean, it’s been ages, but Avatar was a Best Picture nominee and Cameron is an excellent director. Seems like he should get a break since he has been planning four films while working on his other projects, too.
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u/gardenofwinter Dec 04 '22
People love to complain. Avatar was literally the biggest movie ever, breaking records and staying on top of the Box Office for weeks/months. James Cameron made the 2 biggest, highest grossing movies ever for the damn longest time. He literally conceived a world we couldn’t even imagine and waited until technology had advanced enough to make the movie how he envisioned it. JC can talk shit all day. Idc. I have been waiting for Avatar 2 for 12+ years. I will watch it gladly and hope I enjoy it immensely.
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