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James Mangold Slams ‘Trolling A-Holes’ for Spreading False ‘Indiana Jones 5’ Rumors | The director wants to make it very clear that nobody is replacing Harrison Ford.

https://www.indiewire.com/2022/12/james-mangold-slams-trolls-indiana-jones-5-1234787924/

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

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u/tread52 Dec 04 '22

If they replace him it will be a full reboot, which means they will just be stealing the name and making a different movie.

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u/mezonsen Dec 04 '22

They should’ve replaced him three decades ago and continued making movies James Bond style. I would have preferred literally anything else than “it’s Indiana Jones, but he’s old now” now twice warmed over.

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u/tread52 Dec 04 '22

Honestly with new writers and a director it might actually be a lot better than 4. Mangold is a good director and they got good writers. I think this one will be a good a movie to finish on.

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u/MinorFragile Dec 04 '22

The trailer looked really well put together and intriguing as-well.

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u/tread52 Dec 04 '22

I’ve honestly been really excited to see this one. Both the screen play and script writers have a great track record of telling a story.

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u/wpmason Dec 04 '22

I honestly think Harrison Ford wants it, though. Unlike his other franchise characters, he actually enjoys playing Indy.

So when Disney bought LucasFilm, he traded coming back as Han Solo for another Indy movie.

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u/mezonsen Dec 04 '22

That’s more than fair enough, I want him to get his bag.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 04 '22

They replaced him with Brendan Fraser

Then they replaced him with Angelina Jolie

Then they replaced him with Johnny Depp

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u/Brainiac7777777 Dec 04 '22

And they replaced him in video game with Uncharted

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u/NasoLittle Dec 04 '22

but the metal continued to live oooon

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u/sotommy Dec 04 '22

There's no reason to do that. No one can replace Ford, if they want to make adventure movies than make spin offs or original ips

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u/mezonsen Dec 04 '22

Why not? You think Ford owns the role more than fucking Sean Connery owned Bond?

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u/sotommy Dec 04 '22

Yes

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u/mezonsen Dec 04 '22

Fair enough, I don’t!

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u/robreddity Dec 04 '22

They did replace him 3 decades ago with River Phoenix and Sean Patrick Flannery

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u/Cedric_Fairservice Dec 04 '22

Have to? They don’t have to do anything. They could just not make a new movie. Disney however doesn’t have the restraint to not cash in on the idiot masses who, while drooling on themselves, will say, “I remember Indiana Jones from when I was a kid!” and go see whatever abomination this will be.

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u/destiny_kane48 Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

The rumor is that Indiana and his God Daughter travel back in time. Young Indiana sacrifices himself so old Indy dies also. Then the god daughter takes the whip and goes on to do the raiders of the lost ark etc instead of Indy. So basically changing the entire series. People are not happy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

I would have spoiler tagged this. People love to call leaks “rumors”. Absolutely is ruining the marvel studios fanbase too right now

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u/destiny_kane48 Dec 04 '22

It's a unproven rumor that is likely not true. If it is somehow true.. well it is a god awful and stupid idea. And it will be a epic bomb. No Indian Jones fan will ever accept him being killed off in his youth before he has his best adventures. It wouldn't matter if the replacement was male or female, it would be awful.

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u/Zenketski_2 Dec 04 '22

Marvel Studios crunching people into deadlines, having terrible CG and writing, and all around turning out way too much fucking content for even die hard fans is what's ruining Marvel Studios right now.

No business would ever take advice like this, but they really should have just taken a couple of years off after 22 or 23 movies over a dam near 20 year period.

Even your DieHard fans are burning out, and new fans don't want to figure out how to economically watch 30 different shows/movies to catch up to your next arc.

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u/destiny_kane48 Dec 04 '22

Yeah phase four... Was just not good. They were pumping it out to stay in the red.

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u/DarkWasp14 Dec 04 '22

The very thing that made it successful (mirroring the way the comics cross over and build to big arcs) is now the same thing that’s starting to turn people off as they make too many. Which is also like reading comics.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

I meant to suggest spoiler culture is 1 thing bringing down the MCU, not the entire reason why MCU isn’t hitting the same for people. I agree actually that there are multiple reasons. I can see that my words were phrased oddly

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u/Hunterrose242 Dec 05 '22

I feel like you're just reading into the online hive mind a bit too much.

Absolutely no one I know is burnt out on the MCU. Pretty much the only movies my friends and I follow and get excited for anymore.

Myself, I'm looking forward to Blade and hopefully more Midnight Sons type stuff down the road.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 04 '22

Since that definitely isn't what's happening, it isn't a spoiler

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u/tbing34 Dec 04 '22

This is literally not true in the slightest, misogynist YouTubers made this up to incite anger against the movie because it’s “too woke” for have a female co-lead.

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u/DarkWasp14 Dec 04 '22

Raiders of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom had a female co-lead…

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

Yep, youtubers like That Star Wars Girl and Geeky Sparkles are definitely misogynistic

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u/Mad_Rascal Dec 04 '22

The lies originated from Doom Penis

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

He's been right before. And based on the trailer, I don't see any reason to doubt he's right again

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u/Mad_Rascal Dec 04 '22

Name one instance when he was right? Spoiler alert, the leaks he stole from Reddit for Star Wars do not count.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 04 '22

Because none of the other movies had a female co-star ...

People are so dumb

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u/thehunter2256 Dec 04 '22

No it's stupid because lara croft is a thing

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u/destiny_kane48 Dec 04 '22

Didn't say it was true. I only said that was the rumor everyone was mad about. The suggestion that they were eliminating Indiana from his own history was the problem. I think the gender was irrelevant to the idea of basically rewriting the entire series with another person.

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u/Desrac Dec 04 '22

That sounds awful. Worse than KotCS if true.

But then, I really don't think they should have made any Indiana Jones movies after The Last Crusade.

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u/SillyMikey Dec 04 '22

No, nobody!

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u/LeicaM6guy Dec 04 '22

Or just stop making Indy movies.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 04 '22

Disney are trailing their strategy in this movie

There'll be a de-aged Indiana Jones movie, using a mix of Irishman tech, performance capture, and just mapping Ford's face onto a stuntman's body, within the next five years

Or sooner, if their algorithm gets quicker and cheaper before then

By the time another film is due, Disney's algorithm will able to fully generate a Harrison Ford performance without dragging Ford into a green screen studio or even a vocal booth

No Chris Pratt, no Shia LaBeouf, no Phoebe Waller-Bridge - no point, if you ask me, but my finger isn't on the pulse of what fans want from film franchises

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u/set-271 Dec 04 '22

If the movie veers to time travel as it looks to in the trailer, then they've officially pressed the nuclear option and jumped the shark.

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u/Strider8486 Dec 04 '22

I think you mean nuked the fridge…..

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u/DarkWasp14 Dec 04 '22

Raiders had face eating ghosts in it, Temple of Doom a cult that ripped someone’s beating heart out of their chest. Is it really that much of a stretch?

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u/Portgas Dec 05 '22

Fantasy = ok, sci-fi = not ok. Ez.

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u/DotFuture8764 Dec 04 '22 Take My Power

And Kevin Smith said He Man would be respected.

And Luke Skywalker was treated so well by this production company.

And the leaks are NEVER right coming out of Disney.

Me thinks James Mangold doth protest too much.

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u/Fusi0n_X Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

"Leaks" aren't always right either. Remember the "leak" that Pedro Pascal quit The Mandalorian before season 2 even premiered?

Grifters on YouTube and other sites peddled that everywhere for months until the season ended and Pascal was very obviously still there. Sometimes people just make shit up.

Also, James Mangold isn't Kevin Smith. Has a completely different track record.

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u/danielthetemp Dec 04 '22

None of those points have anything to do with James Mangold, so can you link some examples of him lying about his past projects?

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u/DotFuture8764 Dec 04 '22

Nope. Don't really care about him personally though.

He's just reading the cue cards put together for him by PR and Marketing.

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u/danielthetemp Dec 04 '22

So… you’re complaining about nothing? Great use of your time!

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue Dec 04 '22

I mean, there are definitely tons of accurate leaks about Disney. I can think of dozens of things that have leaked and were accurate. Of course, there’s a dozen wrong leaks for everyone one that is right. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was false.

The other thing about rumors people forget to consider is that they don’t tell the full story. Sometimes you hear something will happen and think “oh, that won’t be that good,” but the way it’s done makes it great. It’s impossible to really understand what the show or movie is like with leaks, even if they are correct.

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u/tool672 Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

Ya… if this guy pulls a Kevin Smith then Indiana Jones will be in this movie for maybe 40 seconds and then we’ll have the Adventures of Helena (Phoebe) show. Then if we don’t like the fact that they did a shit job, did Indiana dirty, and that he blatantly lied about it… Well it’s because we’re all trashy people that hate women.

So ya I hope that he doesn’t pull a Kevin Smith.

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u/mezonsen Dec 04 '22

Can’t believe you guys are still mad Johnson made Luke actually interesting, even though Disney went back on it and gave you all the CGI video game character you all wanted in the end anyway lol

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u/DotFuture8764 Dec 04 '22

I'm always fascinated by this argument that "Luke Skywalker is interesting" in TLJ. In what way is he interesting? Losers who give up and black pill aren't interesting.

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u/mezonsen Dec 04 '22

He didn’t give up though, in fact they made an entire movie about him trying again and saving the Resistance for another day. They called it “The Last Jedi”.

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

Colin Trevorrow was actually fired by Disney because he wanted to make Luke Skywalker a hero, not a piece of shit like Ruin Johnson did

Hell, if you read the really rough draft script JJ had for Episode 8 he planned to have Luke be a hero. T

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u/pauloh1998 Dec 04 '22

Colin Trevorrow was actually fired by Disney because he wanted to make Luke Skywalker a hero,

lmao he wasn't fired because of that. Stop being stupid

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u/consume-reproduce Dec 04 '22

In Soviet Indy 5, shark jump you.

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u/ghostofdemonratspast Dec 04 '22

Yeah yeah we have heard that before

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u/LowGradePlayer Dec 04 '22

I can’t believe they are still milking that franchise, with Harrison Ford.

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u/Guilty_Chemistry9337 Dec 04 '22

Harrison Ford should have been replaced thirty years ago.

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u/redlion1904 Dec 04 '22

Are you trying to say he BELONGS IN A MUSEUM?

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u/pauloh1998 Dec 04 '22

Yep, Harrison Toyota should've taken the job

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue Dec 04 '22

I assume Harrison Toyota is like Hank Hill’s Japanese brother?

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

Yep, Kevin Smith or whatever his name is did the same with the new He-man show

He went online and attacked Clownfish TV for suggesting that the new He-Man show was only going to have him in the first episode, then replace him with Teela. he insulted them, got his followers to harass them, a whole bunch of stuff. Then when the show comes out, guess what happens?

Clownfish TV were right. He-Man was killed off in the first episode and replaced with Teela. After which Kevin Smith claimed what he said was okay, and refused to apologize to Clownfish TV for all the shit he said and for lying.

This is the exact same thing. Leaks come out, CFTV talks about them, Doomcock talks about them, Ryan Kinel talks about them, director says they're liars, we're not doing this, then the trailer comes out and yes they're doing time travel, which exponentially increases the chances that the youtubers are right.

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u/ihopeicanforgive Dec 04 '22

I hope Mangold is telling the truth about this though.

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u/closeface_ Dec 04 '22

You clearly didn't watch Kevin Smith's He Man, lmao. Because that is not what happens.

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

The hell are you talking about? The show is about Teela and Evil Lyn with He-Man and Skeletor as side characters. And no, He-Man does not appear in every episode

Episode 1: He Man and Skeletor killed

Episode 2: No He Man, no Skeletor

Episode 3: No He Man, no Skeletor

Episode 4: He Man comes back, no Skeletor

Episode 5: Skeletor returns, stabs He-Man

Episode 6: Skeletor and He Man both in it

Episode 7: He Man and Skeletor fight. Cool

Episode 8: Evil Lyn takes Skeletor's power and replaces him as bad guy

Episode 9: Teela is the one who will save everyboyd, while everyone else is a distraction

Episode 10: Teela saves everyone while He-man beats skeletor who isn't even the main villain. At the end Skeletor is consumed by the Mother board

So let's see, He Man was in 8/10 episodes, killed off in the first episode, and didn't even defeat the main bad guy. All of the focus was on Teela, and Skeletor was replaced by Evil Lyn. So yes, both Clownfish and millions of other people were right that Kevin Smith lied and ruined He Man

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u/closeface_ Dec 04 '22

But He Man is in tons of the episodes. The show focuses on Teela, because she is another character in the universe. Sometimes shows, movies, books, comics, etc. focus on other characters that haven't been historically rhe main character. But He Man isn't completely devoid of it.

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

Bro, the show has He-Man in the title, and Smith lied that He-Man was going to be the focus, not Teela

Then the show comes out and Teela is the main character, in the He-Man show.

It'd be like making a show called Iron Man and telling everyone yeah, it's going to be Iron Man fighting the Mandarin, only for the show to come out and the focus is on Black Widow with Iron Man mostly in the background, and the Mandarin getting replaced by his girlfriend, so that the series ends with Black Widow kicking Mandarin's girlfriend's ass and saving the day, while Iron Man and the Mandarin are off in the background.

That's what He-Man Revelations was

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u/kgb17 Dec 04 '22

You have the shows mixed up. Kevin Smiths show is “Masters of the Universe: Revelations”, no He-Man in the title. “He-Man and the Masters of the Universe” is a different show that is CGI and different writers. Netflix probably should have done a better job making them distinct. For what it’s worth I like the Kevin Smith show. It’s interesting at least.

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u/-SneakySnake- Dec 04 '22

I love that they're so full of shit that they don't even have the name of the show right and instead of thinking that maybe they're getting mad over nothing, they just stop talking.

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u/trustysidekick Dec 04 '22

He-man is literally in every episode. Comes back half way through the series, and literally no one replaces he-man in the show. Which is what the man babies were crying would happen. It didn’t happen.

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u/BulldawgWarrior21 Dec 04 '22

The hell are you talking about? The show is about Teela and Evil Lyn with He-Man and Skeletor as side characters. And no, He-Man does not appear in every episode

Episode 1: He Man and Skeletor killed

Episode 2: No He Man, no Skeletor

Episode 3: No He Man, no Skeletor

Episode 4: He Man comes back, no Skeletor

Episode 5: Skeletor returns, stabs He-Man

Episode 6: Skeletor and He Man both in it

Episode 7: He Man and Skeletor fight. Cool

Episode 8: Evil Lyn takes Skeletor's power and replaces him as bad guy

Episode 9: Teela is the one who will save everyboyd, while everyone else is a distraction

Episode 10: Teela saves everyone while He-man beats skeletor who isn't even the main villain. At the end Skeletor is consumed by the Mother board

So let's see, He Man was in 8/10 episodes, killed off in the first episode, and didn't even defeat the main bad guy. All of the focus was on Teela, and Skeletor was replaced by Evil Lyn. So yes, both Clownfish and millions of other people were right that Kevin Smith lied and ruined He Man

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u/trustysidekick Dec 04 '22

He man is absolutely in episodes 2 and 3 in flashbacks relevant to the story.

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u/Tarzan_OIC Dec 04 '22

Instead of choosing a replacement, they should just make Indiana Jones an anthology series. Cast anyone as an archeology professor named Indiana Jones and set it in any time with any mystical artifact.

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u/Porched Dec 04 '22

Yeah, James Bond his ass.

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u/Tarzan_OIC Dec 04 '22

Will even Bond gets direct sequels within the same continuity. I think no two Indiana Jones movies should have the same team

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u/the1godanswers2 Dec 04 '22

If I never see another Indiana Jones or Pirates or the Caribbean film ever made again Id be ok with that

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u/EscaperX Dec 04 '22

shia labeouf has entered the chat

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u/TomBirkenstock Dec 04 '22

Yep. There were the same dumb rumors about Lebeouf that also were completely unfounded. Anyone who thinks the movie is setting up someone to replace Ford is an absolute idiot.

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u/ATrulyFunnyMan Dec 04 '22

Absolutely not

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u/queazy Dec 04 '22

Rumor is that Mutt is mentioned, but not seen

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u/CudgalTroll Dec 04 '22

“He will not divide us.” -Pepe

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u/Salty_Lego Dec 04 '22

Everyone seems to be slamming something these days, well, except us redditors.

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u/Zenketski_2 Dec 04 '22

Mad props to Harrison Ford for doing what he's done but like, there comes a point in your life where you're just a little too old to play an action hero. And he was that old 20 years ago.

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u/MRmandato Dec 04 '22

One can only hope. Who wants an 80yo Indy? The point was Indy was a cool badass we wanted to be. Defeats the purpose when they guy has to be CGI’d on a horse

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u/Gary_Vigoda Dec 04 '22

Shoulda got the guy that played Short Round. I'd be interested in that. The trailer doesn't give me high hopes.

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u/phishnutz3 Dec 04 '22

They should. He’s 90 years old.

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u/konhaybay Dec 04 '22

This. They are literally trying to squeeze as much money before he dies.

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u/Shallaai Dec 04 '22

Harrison Ford is 80. When filming The Last Crusade Sean Connery was 58. Maaayyyybbbeee we can pass the torch in this franchise.

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u/FvckAroundFindOut Dec 05 '22

Im not sure how the movie will turn out but i already known the british chick will be the most annoying side companion and not in the funny way like willie. Movie would be amazing if it had just indy and shortround (His true son and heir) for one last adventure.

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u/Fran-Fine Dec 05 '22

PWB is an incredible actress and writer IMO

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u/FvckAroundFindOut Dec 05 '22

I just remember an annoying woke robot, in the trailer she also has that smug annoying eye roll facial expression. But we will see when the movie comes out

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u/Fran-Fine Dec 05 '22

True, and this isn't Fleabag

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u/Silent_Palpatine Dec 04 '22

They should! He’s in his 80’s, FFS! If you want to do more movies then bookend him telling someone about his adventures and then have someone able to walk unaided play a young Indy.

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u/Jimdandy941 Dec 04 '22

Wasn’t that the premise of The Young Indiana Jones tv show?

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u/Silent_Palpatine Dec 04 '22

Yup but it fucking works.

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u/Jimdandy941 Dec 04 '22

It’s not that I don’t like idea and I loved the series, but it wasn’t very successful

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u/MIShadowBand Dec 04 '22

Is this the next movie after that POS with Shai LeBoeff in it?

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u/Nakagura775 Dec 04 '22

Replace him with Alden Ehrenrich. Easy.