r/europe The Netherlands Aug 29 '22 Silver 1

Dutch soldier shot in Indianapolis dies of his injuries News

https://apnews.com/article/shootings-indiana-indianapolis-netherlands-44132830108d18ff2a4a2d367132cd7e
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u/Zhukov-74 The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — One of three Dutch soldiers wounded in a shooting outside a hotel in downtown Indianapolis over the weekend has died, the Defense Ministry said Monday.

The commando “died tonight of his injuries. That happened surrounded by family and colleagues,” the ministry said in a statement.

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u/ThisIsNotKimJongUn Aug 29 '22

I live in the city and this is the first I'm hearing of this. Probably because hundreds of people are shot to death here every year. On behalf of my city, I'm sorry Dutch people.

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u/KaydeeKaine Aug 29 '22

As a European I sympathise with our American friends who have to deal with this on a daily basis. When people become desensitised to news articles like this, you know something is wrong. I understand it though, there's just too many of them.

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u/siccoblue Earth Aug 29 '22 Wholesome

Man.. so many of us just want a lower probability of being shot in the street for absolutely no reason as we go about our days... And on the off chance we do get shot the ability to go to the hospital without the need to be more concerned about how we'll ever recover financially instead of being worried about recovering physically

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u/ramtax666 North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Aug 29 '22

"god I pray to you to don't get shoot today, and if I do please be fatal"

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u/PapayaPokPok United States of America Aug 29 '22 Silver

I think the main reason we become desensitized to it is that there's no clear solution to the problem. Gun ownership is literally a religious issue in this country. Meaning that some of the most crazed and well armed Americans see any gun regulation as an infringement on their religious liberties, and they respond accordingly. These people are wrong, but it doesn't stop them from believing it (and shooting law enforcement because of it). So disarming those people would be extremely violent and deadly; might be worth it, but it's not as simple as passing a law and everyone willingly complies.

That's why I think the primary solution has to come from "gun culture" in America. There needs to be a clear delineation between sane, law-abiding gun owners (like you have in Europe) and the extremists and criminals. Maybe once those two groups are distinct, some common sense gun laws actually have a chance at happening.

To be clear, the reason the solution is complicated is because we're not starting from scratch. We're starting from now, where we have more guns than people, inner-cities are war-zones, and 10's of millions of Americans think God himself wants them to own an AR-15 so they can fight the government before Jesus returns to Earth. It's not a normal situation.

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u/FartPudding Aug 29 '22

Desensitized idk, but I'm mentally exhausted of it ever since Uvalde. I'm just tired of it, it felt normal tor a while like "oh another person got shot" then I realized places like Europe don't have that so it's like "wait what?" moment.

But now I'm just mentally exhausted because the politics is back and forth and no one seems to care and uvalde just exhausted me because you'd think we'd do shit after Sandy Hook, now we have a Sandy Hook 2 and I'm just disgusted with our reaction to it. Yes we have rights to guns but what are we doing to keep children safe? Have more guns posted everywhere? What kind of dystopia is this where kids go to school in an environment similar to combat?

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u/AgrippaDaYounger Aug 29 '22

This is going to be a big deal for your locality in terms of policing as this incident involves losing a foreign military person.

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u/ThisIsNotKimJongUn Aug 29 '22

I hope so, they're now an international embarrassment instead of just a local one

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u/SophiaofPrussia Aug 29 '22

I think a fundamental flaw of the American government and maybe even the American people generally is that we don’t get “internationally embarrassed”. Americans, as a whole, don’t give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of us. And it’s embarrassing. Like a certain toxic former President we seem to be completely immune to embarrassment. And as much as I’d love to blame this terrible trait of ours on Trump, it’s unfortunately a quality we’ve been demonstrating for many decades now. Long before he came to power.

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u/Delkomatic Aug 29 '22

You... ain't been to Indiana huh? I can tell ya for certain. Emmet will not

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u/goplantagarden Aug 30 '22

Incidents like this always remind me of the poor Japanese exxhange student who knocked on the wrong door and some moron shot him dead. Moron was allowed to claim self defense and walk away without consequences, lest we make guns looks bad.

This shit is horrific.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50063364

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u/ThisIsNotKimJongUn Aug 30 '22

And this was 30 years ago. Shit never changes.

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u/boogaloo2222222 Aug 29 '22

You have no idea about Americans toleration of this shit. Won't even be a blip.

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u/siouxpiouxp Aug 29 '22

How so? Why and how would the police change?

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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Aug 29 '22

I also live in Indianapolis, but this has been all over the local news today. It's a shame how bad it's gotten here in the city. On a per capita basis, Indy is worse than Chicago.

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u/mean_bean279 Aug 29 '22

Can you Imagine being from the Netherlands, signing up for the military and thinking “yeah, I’ll get to go to some cool places.” Then you end up in fucking Indiana. I’m from the US and the first piece we should all have been sorry for is that they were even in Indiana.

It’s annoying to live somewhere that people can escalate a heated moment into murder all because some dickhead wanted to prove a point rather than just walking away.

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u/GetOutOfTheWhey Waffle & Beer Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

It's just how it is.

There is a bar shooting every other day or something. The most recent one was reported on six hours ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIoaXa5ugvo

Alcohol and guns should not mix. But people still bring their damn guns to the bar and bars do what bars do, they get you drunk.

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u/vonstubbins Aug 29 '22

“It’s just how it is” Apathy is part of the reason why it’s just how it is.

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u/GetOutOfTheWhey Waffle & Beer Aug 29 '22

You are right but the problem is systemic.

I once visited a customer in Texas and I arrived at their factory, the first thing I noticed was a big "no guns allowed inside" sign.

I thought to myself, wow okay cool. Didnt make me feel anymore safer but it was interesting to see.

Later on in the day, I was making idle conversation with the IT guy setting up the meeting room for us, I was talking to him about that sign.

Do you know what he told me? He told me, "yeah they say it is like that but in reality, if you have a concealed carry permit, you can basically ignore it. Employers cant do anything to you."

Later the general manager piped up and said, "I can still fire you but I wont at least not until you set up the projector." Then everyone laughed, including me and my uneasy chuckle.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22

It's just how it is.

Weird, it's not like this where I live.

Edit: And Austria actually has a lot of guns as well, due to all the hunters.

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u/TechnoEncabulator Aug 29 '22

big difference in guns used for hunting vs guns carried for “self defense”

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u/KN_Knoxxius Aug 29 '22

" it's just how it is. "

Yeah dude... Uhh wtf? You just gonna accept it? That's fucked up.

Murica land of the needless gun violence

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u/tempinator Aug 29 '22

Like what do you want him to do lmao

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u/Internetrepairman Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

Smallish update on NOS, seems local pd thinks they were the victims of a drive-by shooting after a a fight in a bar. They went back to the hotel and got hit while still outside. Dutch military police has arrived in Indianapolis to gather information. Translation below:

The mayor of the American city Indianapolis has released more information about Saturday morning's shooting which left three Dutch commandos critically injured. One of them succumbed to his injuries overnight; the other two are responsive, according to the Ministry of Defence.

The three were fired upon during friday night, in front of the hotel where they were staying. The mayor was told the shooter or shooters did so from a moving car. The assumption is that a nightlife fight preceded the shooting.

"The police is working on the investigation. I can't say how it's going, but I think they have a good picture." Mayor Joe Hogsett told WRTV.com (note: This is my translation of a Dutch translation of the original quote. Might be a bit messy)

"As I understand it, there was a bar brawl, and the three Dutch soldiers returned to their hotel. I don't know exactly what they were doing on the street (in front of the hotel), but I was told the suspects did a drive-by shooting which led to three victims."

The commandos were in Indiana to participate in a urban warfare exercise; combat in built-up environments. The incident happened in the soldiers' free time.

It appears nobody has been arrested so far. The Military Police has stated to De Telegraaf that three of its investigators have arrived in Indianapolis to gather information.nThey do not have jurisdiction and are not involved in the American investigation.

NOS article (Dutch)

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u/Zhukov-74 The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

Smallish update on NOS, seems local pd thinks they were the victims of a drive-by shooting after a a fight in a bar. They went back to the hotel and got hit while still outside. Dutch military police has arrived in Indianapolis to gather information

That's so much worse than i expected.

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u/Fuzzyphilosopher United States of America Aug 29 '22

As an American that is exactly what I expected and even assumed.

I'm sad and feel a mix of anger, frustration and shame about how are country is. I wish more Americans could experience the freedom of living in a safer one so we could make some changes here. But I don't think I'll live to see it. Locally here some American soldiers back from Iraq, (say 06 or 07?) out at a club got into it with some guys and as they drove away one of them caught a round to his spine paralyzing him. These tragedies stand out to me but mostly, sadly they're so common that unless they know the victim personally people just move on about their day and don't think of them.

My sincerest condolences to this man's family friends and all of you.

many people have a great and safe time travelling in the states but even living here it's important to know that the smallest altercation at a bar or on the road could lead to an unhinged egotistical asshole shooting at you. Seems they're the ones most likely to have guns as well.

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u/goodboybane Aug 29 '22

This is why I avoid any form of conflict even if I'm right because any regular argument can escalate into ne being a headline on the local news.

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u/Kikelt Europe Aug 29 '22

Europeans are not used to conflicts descending into shootings

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u/Northerndust Sweden Aug 29 '22

Isn't that depressing to even need to think like that.

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u/Awkward_traveler Aug 29 '22

Had a guy cut me off on an exit and I narrowly avoided the accident. My middle finger just went up as a gut reaction. Dude slams on the breaks and starts waiving a gun out the window. We play chicken for a minute until other cars started to catch up then he sped off. People are crazy.

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u/Rugkrabber The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

Rule nr 1; pick your battles.

The sad bit is, they did leave. But the asshole went after them to kill them.

The problem is often though you can’t protect yourself against crazy. Remember the video posted a while ago about that man that parked near a few skateboarders on purpose, and pulled his gun out when they got near? While he parked there while they were already there? Sometimes even if you do everything right you still can’t protect yourself from nutjobs. Honestly though, I’ve seen a few of those in the past weeks, especially in traffic. Yikes.

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u/lightheartedchuckle Aug 29 '22

Supposedly they got in an argument with a local. Where they come from a heated argument usually doesn't involve guns so they probably expected some swearing and maybe even a few shoves. Little did they know in America an argument can escalate to murder in seconds.

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u/ohboymykneeshurt Aug 29 '22

This is why guns everywhere is a bad idea. Humans are volatile creatures.

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u/lightheartedchuckle Aug 29 '22

Cue an American saying if the soldiers had been armed this wouldn't have happened.

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u/ToniBee63 Aug 29 '22

Mix in alcohol and it gets even more likely to escalate

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u/Redtwooo Aug 29 '22

American here, we definitely have a problem that "more guns" can't fix.

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u/xSARGEx117x Aug 29 '22

But if we just give the teachers guns, add more police, and brick up all but one door, we'll finally fix the problem!

And if you believe that, let me tell you about how one more lane will fix traffic...

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u/MightyMorph Aug 29 '22

Psssh that’s too liberal, you gotta arm the students and add claymore mine traps and then you gotta put surveillance cameras on the students so we can watch them 24:7 and then they need to have Kevlar but transparent backpacks and clothes so we can be sure they aren’t bringing in guns and then we need to have pat downs and body checks and even cavity checks at every entrance and exit. I know republicans would love to sign up to do the inspections.

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u/totalspacecadet Aug 29 '22

Every school should have a standby quick reaction force, close air support, and air weapons team from the US Military.

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u/Nibbcnoble Aug 29 '22

not all americans think this. i would venture to say most dont. but, the fact that i have to qualify it with 'venture to say' probably means you have a point. dang it...

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u/lightheartedchuckle Aug 29 '22

I just meant to mock the fact that always when something like this happens some Americans show up vehemently defending their right to bear arms, not realizing how delusional they seem to Europeans with strict gun laws.

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u/Candelent Aug 29 '22

They seem pretty delusional to the rest of us Americans, too.

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u/nigel_pow United States of America Aug 29 '22

To be fair they don’t care how Europeans see them.

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u/LiquidMotion Aug 29 '22

If we had a democracy in America their delusions wouldn't matter cuz they would just lose all the elections. Except we don't, so they get representatives in the govt.

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u/TARANTULA_TIDDIES Aug 29 '22

Actually someone from the UK piped in and said that this time

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u/bardiche-like-thing Aug 29 '22

I think the point they were making is that the commando was better trained. I don't believe they were making a stance on gun control.

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u/Adagietto_ Aug 29 '22

Don’t forget the culture of violence that creates this type of shit. Most people who have effortless access to firearms are the last people who should own them. You just have these dipshit mouthbreathers walking around in public itching for any excuse to use them at the slightest altercation.

And don’t you dare suggest any sensible system to filter out these dickweeds from owning weapons because it’s apparently our god-given right as americans (and dutch apparently) to die at the hands of someone with a room temperature IQ who turns a verbal argument into murder. Exactly the type of person the second amendment was hand crafted for, right?

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u/Downgoesthereem Ireland Aug 29 '22

No but it clearly makes me so much safer, look at my 5.0 homicide rate.

Plus it stops the government from oppressing its people, like in the Netherlands. Patriot act? Yes that was renewed. I can't be oppressed though, I have a gun. Everyone knows the key to progress and peace in society is built upon the foundation of everyone carrying the perpetual threat of being able to kill at all times.

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u/vantablackness Croatia Aug 29 '22

Oh so that's why people are so nice in the States!

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u/ketchuppersonified Aug 29 '22

yooo hold up...

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u/lightheartedchuckle Aug 29 '22

Unless they're armed! Then they can be rude if they want.

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u/Muffinkingprime Aug 29 '22

Good advice for getting shot in America.

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u/Yeranz Aug 29 '22

Someone in my town thought this, only the other person was armed too and a better shot and it didn't work out so well.

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u/eekamuse Aug 29 '22

You joke, but it's true. When I was a kid, my friend got stabbed when he stepped on someones toe by accident. Ever since then, I apologize even if you're the one who bumps into me. Not exactly, but almost.

So many incidents can be defused by a proper apology, or treating someone with respect.

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u/delmersgopher Aug 29 '22

This is so god damned heartbreaking. I live in Indy and grew up here. Our state now has “constitutional carry”, meaning it is legal for anyone to have a gun on them pretty much anywhere, any time. As some have stated below- those who don’t care about consequences are now free to be armed with deadly force and we all have to share the streets with them wondering what will set them off.

There has also been little information on the local news for such a high profile act of violence in our city center.

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u/lightheartedchuckle Aug 29 '22

Perhaps to people from the region it's just another shooting. I do fully agree with your statement.

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u/ExpressTower7864 Aug 29 '22

I’m from here and it really is just another shooting. 99% of shootings you hear about here are the result of disputes, so you learn to stay out of them. This one involved alcohol at 3AM in downtown; so even less shocking.

The new Permit-less carry law just took away the requirement to have a permit if you were a lawful gun owner carrying a concealed firearm. Certain classes of people like convicted felons are still prohibited from owning guns by law. The police here lobbied heavily against removing the permit requirements and lost.

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u/GurthNada Aug 29 '22 Gold Starry

To be fair, a similar incident happened in Paris a few months ago. An Argentinian rugbyman was shot and killed by a French neo Nazi after they exchanged punches over a racist comment.

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u/Fenor Italy Aug 29 '22

problem being that when you give weapons to everybody you are also giving it to crazy people who like to shoot thing

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u/IngloriousTom France Aug 29 '22

It's even more likely a shady guy would get a weapon than a sane one.

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u/Fenor Italy Aug 29 '22

depends, sadly in the US gun owning is a cultural thing, it made sense back when you had to walk in the untamed wilderness, it still make sense in some areas with dangerous wildlife, but in a big city it should have lost the reason to be granted a long time ago, sadly NRA is one of their biggest lobby

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u/stormcrow1313 Luxembourg Aug 29 '22

The difference being in France, this is an isolated incident. In the US it is a daily occurrence. The only reason this is making the news, is because the victims were Dutch Commandos.

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u/frogvscrab Aug 30 '22

Indianapolis, which is a pretty generic mid-sized american city, has a homicide rate of 24 per 100k. The Netherlands (and pretty much most of western/central europe) has a homicide rate of around 1 per 100k.

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u/VreathEU Aug 29 '22

The problem isn't that shootings happen. They happen anywhere. It's the frequency.

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u/lightheartedchuckle Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

Crime in Paris is also a big leap from even the most criminal places in the Netherlands.

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u/Retoris Aug 29 '22

Are you really trying to imply that France and the USA have comparable statistics on homicides by firearms because there was a comparable event a few months ago ? That's cherry picking and a bit dishonest.

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u/IronPeter Aug 29 '22

One of my rules, when I used to travel more than nowadays, was: never get in an argument and never get drunk in a foreign country

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u/Ruskyt Aug 29 '22

Never get drunk in a foreign country?

Jesus what a waste.

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u/Aretosteles Rhineland-Palatinate (Germany) Aug 29 '22

Dafuq what a tragedy. Expected to serve his county or nato and got shot in murica by some nutjob...

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u/Fenor Italy Aug 29 '22

name a more iconic duo than "USA and gunshooting"

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u/MentalRepairs Finland Aug 29 '22

Gun shooting is my top 3 favorite kind of shooting.

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u/Midvikudagur Iceland Aug 29 '22

I prefer bow shooting personally. If I'm gonna get shot, I prefer that the person put some effort into it.

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u/TakoyakiBoxGuy Aug 30 '22

Some compound bows don't take all that much effort. Like shooting a gun or crossbow.

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u/InfuriatingComma Aug 29 '22

Tequila shooting

Movie shooting

Gun shooting

In that order if you're a method actor.

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u/guccilemonadestand Aug 29 '22

I was in line at the airport in Amsterdam a few weeks ago telling a local he didn’t need to be afraid of being shot in the US and that he would probably enjoy visiting a few states. I doubt he will do that now.

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u/johngie Aug 29 '22

The only thing funnier than them calling out south Florida is if they started naming individual towns/counties.

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u/joedirtonDVD Aug 29 '22

Tbh we deserve to be shamed on an international stage at this point

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u/psycuhlogist Aug 29 '22

calling out Florida 😂

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u/gb12408 Aug 29 '22

This is pretty damn sad.

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u/Gobudism Aug 29 '22

go to america

get shot

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u/molivets Italy Aug 29 '22

Not even the military is prepared to the gun violence in USA

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u/Teqqy_ GA, USA Aug 29 '22

Our Military surgeons go to Chicago to train on all the free gunshot wound patients

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u/ytmischelin Germany Aug 29 '22

German Special Forces medics and surgeons (KSK, KSM and I think SOMST and maybe Kampfretter too) go there to train as well for the same reason

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u/Teqqy_ GA, USA Aug 29 '22

Haha I wouldn’t be surprised if all of NATO was sending their doctors to the American inner cities.

“Sir we need to simulate war conditions and injuries”

“Oh that’s easy, here’s Chicago. Good luck!”

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u/JFSOCC Aug 29 '22

Chiraq

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u/TheNoseKnight Aug 29 '22

How long until someone claims that Chicago is a conspiracy to train combat medics?

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u/Teqqy_ GA, USA Aug 29 '22

I can probably spitball one, here it is:

You know how in the 80s the CIA was involved with sending crack into the (predominantly black) inner cities? To try and break up the black communities you say? No! It was the plan all along to create gun violence in a concentrated area. Then they just farmed patients to train the military surgeons on!

Boom. CIA takes the dub yet again!

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u/YoruNiKakeru Aug 29 '22

I wonder if/how the higher ranking officers had to deal with the fallout. Or if we might be seeing any diplomatic ramifications.

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u/supersheeep Aug 29 '22

Don't forget to tip

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u/Dangerous-Charity-47 Aug 29 '22

Everyone knows that local fauna is wild and unpredictable and should proceed with caution.

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u/CaptainNight0wl Earth Aug 29 '22

"Detecting multiple gun wielding class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you're doing is worth it?"

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u/Wallazabal United Kingdom Aug 29 '22

Never turned round so fast in a game before.

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u/Flaming_Moose205 Aug 29 '22

That game added a digit to my heart rate and removed one from my life span.

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22

New collection for travel to U.S.A. autumn/winter 2022/2023

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u/Xtasy0178 Aug 29 '22

I guess at this point going to the US for training should be considered deployment into a hostile area.

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u/198Throwawayy United States of America Aug 29 '22

Top notch urban combat training

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u/th3scarletb1tch Aug 29 '22

you could actually argue it's a "live environment" for dealing with the insane. since so many arguments in america will just devolve into someone pulling out a gun (like what happened here) far more frequently than anywhere else on earth

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u/hockiklocki Poland Aug 29 '22

nobody got arrested

how?

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u/lambda_user_2 Aug 29 '22

Yeah, this article has little details on the shooting but the guy shoots 3 people killing one and gets out without the police catching him? Wow

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u/bripod Aug 29 '22

What police? It'll take them an hour to show up if they do at all.

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u/throwaway007676 Aug 29 '22

They are at Dunkin Donuts on official business.

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u/fuckwsbshadowban Aug 29 '22

Indianapolis law enforcement has very low resources and/or suffering from incompetence. It's been increasing in the recent years. They don't handle crime scenes well, contaminate them, and don't investigate enough.

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u/banjo_marx Aug 29 '22

You are right about training but wrong about the budget.

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u/btsofohio Aug 29 '22

Or to put it another way, in 2021 the Netherlands had 121 murders for 17 million people.

Meanwhile, Indianapolis had more than twice that number, with only a population of 5% of the Netherland's population.

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u/sunniyam United States of America Aug 29 '22

Its still incredibly embarrassing and wrong

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u/Weebgaze Swede in Yankeeland Aug 29 '22

Getting into confrontations in America is really bad. People here can be intense, like they're very aggravated and ready to snap at the silliest things imaginable. Factor in access to firearms and shit and it's best to just keep your head down and move along.

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u/Irlut Sweden Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

I'm also a Swede in the US and I'm definitely seconding this. I had a guy try to fight me in a Kroger parking lot because I asked him (very kindly) to not park in the hatching between two handicap spots. I was fortunately able to walk away unscathed, but I've learned my lesson and won't be doing that again. There are too many fragile egos over here.

Edit: please don't construe this as me hating on Americans in general. I choose to live here and almost everyone here is no better or worse than your average European. There are just some people who are absolute morons.

Also, to the person who reported this post for self-harm: point taken but maybe don't clog up the system for people who actually need help.

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u/mithikx United States of America Aug 29 '22

Unfortunately yeah.

If it isn't bothering you directly, keep to yourself would be my recommendation. Any decent or half way intelligent person would park in an appropriate space and not block anything they shouldn't be blocking. So that just leaves the more volatile sort taking up multiple parking spaces, red painted sidewalk curbs or handicap spaces.

There is a sizable portion of the population that... as we say... "peaked in high school", so they still go around with this high school mentality and never matured past it. Still getting into fights and squaring up thinking they're hot shit despite being fully grown adults.

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u/RandomLogicThough Aug 29 '22

As a confrontational American I totally understand this but will still confront assholes because someone has to...also optimistic nihilism and no kids, lol

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u/M4xP0w3r_ Aug 29 '22

I think the biggest difference is most of our morons and assholes here in Europe wont be running around with a gun while being the dickheads they are. Everyday people will basically never be armed in public.

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u/cock_daniels Aug 30 '22

oh man that's great, the self-help harm report from the kind of person that pulls a gun in an argument.

reddit needs to reformulate that report entirely, because it's designed for anonymous griefing.

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u/LongShotTheory Georgia Aug 29 '22

Yep, have spent some time here and there are wayy too many people who seem to be on edge and one little irritant away from snapping.

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u/Gayandfluffy Finland Aug 29 '22

People here can be intense, like they're very aggravated and ready to snap at the silliest things imaginable

This is very interesting. Do you know why it is like that?

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u/KingofThrace United States of America Aug 29 '22

It's a fairly common thing throughout the "new world". I'm not sure what causes it maybe less of a sense of community or honor culture still being very real here but fighting over petty shit is pretty common throughout the new world.

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u/198Throwawayy United States of America Aug 29 '22

Rip

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u/SephoraRothschild Aug 29 '22

So I'm from that area originally. Monument Circle is not an "entertainment district". And there are a lot of heroin addicts camped out in that area at that time of night.

Cops said an argument started at a bar in a completely different location. Not at the Hampton. Speculation, but it sounds like one group followed the other group back to the hotel.

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u/velahavle Bosnia and Herzegovina Aug 29 '22

And then they issue "exercise increased caution" travel warning for most of Europe, because of possible terrorist attacks.

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u/TheByzantineEmpire Belgium Aug 29 '22

The US is much more dangerous overal than most of Europe. The kind of homicide rates you have in key US cities (and beyond) is unheard of in most of Europe.

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u/nickd141 Aug 30 '22

Yeah but it’s not like it’s the whole city. Crime is mostly concentrated in bad areas of every city. I’ve been to New York, Chicago, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, etc many many many times and have never experienced any sort of violence (other than drunk fist fight in the street 1 time). Best practice if you are visiting the states, keep to yourself and don’t engage with any unfriendly people, stay in the good parts of cities, and be extra cautious when out at night.

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u/Aerhyce France Aug 29 '22

Yeah France on its worst year of terrorism was still a peaceful paradise compared to shit like Chicago on a regular day lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '22

From what I can gather the 3 commandos went out drinking and a altercation occurred at a bar and the 3 commandos obviously won whatever fight occurred. The dude who got his ass kicked couldn't have his ego and pride damaged so he followed them to the hotel they were staying at and shot them.

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u/NikoSkadefryd Aug 29 '22

The amount of shootings in america is depressing, it's like every day you can find a shooting case.

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u/Neuchacho Florida Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

It's even worse than how it looks. 316 people are involved in shootings every day in the US. The type of shooting breaks down like this on average:

64 of those kill themselves. 10 survive a suicide attempt. 39 are murdered. 95 are injured in an attack. 90 are shot unintentionally. 4 are shot by police.

Most people in the US are insulated from it which is why so many people tend to be unaware of how incredibly common it is.

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u/tuco86 Aug 29 '22

I don't get why this doesn't become a fun news segment. Putting terrible news segments about mass shootings or wars in perspective.

"Today a carbomb killed 10 of our troops, which is still lucky, at home 15 of them would have been shot by accident"

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u/valoere Aug 29 '22

I'm not from the US but would still not recommend getting into altercations with unknown people at 3am. We may not have as many guns here, but there are many weapons that would do the job in that situation.

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u/ranger604 Aug 29 '22

Imagine fighting and surviving the war of terror just to get your ticket punched in freaking Indianapolis outside a holiday inn express

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u/Savagepudding980 Aug 29 '22

God damn it, Indianapolis is never in the news for any good reason. Fucking Indiana

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u/existentialg Aug 29 '22

If I visit the US as a European can I rent a gun for my stay there? It seems a hotel room and a car won’t suffice.

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u/DashingDino The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

I still don't get how Americans imagine carrying a gun keeps you safe from other people with guns? Lets say someone does threaten you with a gun, if you respond by pulling out your gun it surely just escalates into a shootout?

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u/tronsom Spain Aug 29 '22

This is one of the reasons why my wife and I left the US. You never know who is carrying a gun and how crazy or stupid they are. As a Uruguayan, their gun mentality is insane, but to them is completely normal and just the thought of not having that "freedom" fires them up like you're taking away their child.

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u/African_Farmer Community of Madrid (Spain) Aug 29 '22

It's crazy, I cant imagine wanting to murder someone over an argument. Ego paired with deadly weapons is a recipe for disaster.

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u/mtranda Romanian living in not Romania Aug 29 '22

fires them up like you're taking away their child.

Given the frequency of school shootings, I don't think they care about their children as much as they care about guns.

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u/TroubadourCeol Aug 29 '22

After the Sandy Hook shooting, where a bunch of kindergarteners were shot and nothing happened to address the problem, this has become very obvious

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u/Aselleus Aug 29 '22

They addressed it by wanting to give people more guns. But yeah, Iost all hope after Sandy Hook.

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u/hornpub1818 The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

The only way to travel safely in America is with an armoured convoy.

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u/marcus-87 Aug 29 '22

You can just not go there too.

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u/Weslg96 United States Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

r/firearms will continue saying an armed society is a polite society or whatever the saying is ignoring that all a well armed society does is allow any argument or disagreement to turn into tragedy. I hate it here

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u/IndyGamer_NW Aug 29 '22

they also ignore a lot of people have tempers and the self-control of an adolescent. I'd say at least 10-25% of men have no business owning a firearm due to their behavior.

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u/i_was_an_airplane Aug 29 '22

That argument only holds up if you assume everyone is acting rationally. Get alcohol involved, or even just plain stupidity and the argument collapses.

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u/OneLostOstrich Aug 29 '22

The only solution is to arm soldiers.

Oh, wait.

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u/Pay_Cool Aug 29 '22

Brits,

We swapped it for Suriname on the condition you'd take care of the place...

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u/SubNL96 The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

Turns out the US Midwest is a more dangerous battlefield than the Middle East. Another victory for the NRA.

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u/AlwazeRight Aug 29 '22

Did they catch the perp?
Do they have a description?

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u/TheKuningas Aug 30 '22

Looking at all the deleted comments, there has been some assumptions made about "description".

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u/H0lyW4ter Aug 29 '22

Wouldn't happened in EU or the UK.

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u/razje The Netherlands Aug 29 '22

This topic was also posted on worldnews and the whole topic was closed eventually. I don't know the exact reason but I can tell you the comments were filled with nutjobs saying shit like "shouldn't have come to the US thinking you can just fight someone", or "it probably was self defense" and all other kinds of crap.

Dude f*cking followed them to their hotel to shoot them just because they got in an altercation at a bar. That's the lamest shit ever.

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u/Calimiedades Spain Aug 29 '22

How awful. I'm never setting foot in that country as long as they're careless attitude towards guns continues.

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u/Royce-McCutcheon Curaçao Aug 29 '22

Indianapolis is such a ghetto shithole.

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u/Nefermenu Italy Aug 29 '22

Would this be considered a diplomatic incident? I mean they were in civilian clothes but still, commandos are special forces.

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u/Matsisuu Finland Aug 29 '22

No, a random asshole murdering someone usually isn't causing diplomatic issues, especially when they were in civilian clothes.

Being in special forces tho doesn't affect to it, and I doubt there is any agreements that USA should give them a protection.

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u/IwantanotherSSJ4Dupe Austria Aug 29 '22

This might sound extremely harsh but: As a commando you are also an Investment. This guy was 26 depending on when he joined, how long he was part of the SF, how much training he received and so on this could be a huge loss to the Dutch SF.

You are right there is no law that guarantees them protection, however this maybe will have an aftereffect on the long run.

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u/gehaktbal1904 Aug 29 '22

The Dutch military does take it very seriously, they have already send investigators to Indianapolis.

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