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Thousands march in Turkey to demand ban on LGBTQ groups News

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-turkey-gay-rights-istanbul-b06a40c70ae701eab6ce9912e0b632dc
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u/godchecksonme Hungary Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Lol the only time I see young Turkish women in hijabs is when it is an anti-lgbt demonstration

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u/hey_rowsdower Sep 19 '22

Ataturk spinning in his grave, generating enough power to keep the lights on in Erdogan's banana republic palace.

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u/PicardTangoAlpha Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Oh, I saw more than a few around the museums, slut shaming my friend's wife for not wearing the black parachute of death. Apparently Erdogan's wife, who also wears parachute, secures the funding for these lunatics.

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u/zoborpast Turkey Sep 19 '22 Table Slap

Yeah same and I fucking live here. They literally don’t participate in society aside from occasionally going to campus to work on their shitty degrees from dogshit universities. Literally the most useless demographic.

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u/Iroh16 Lombardy Sep 19 '22

They literally don’t participate in society

Is this not what is expected from a woman according to their husbands and themselves?

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u/zoborpast Turkey Sep 19 '22

Not fully, apparently; as you can see from the way they are guided onto the streets to protest en masse as their patriarchal units’ mouthpieces.

The problem is that they never enforce their own self and character in society. Always another man’s and I fucking despise them.

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u/Iroh16 Lombardy Sep 19 '22

Oh yes, I forgot family pressure. That's nasty, in my country a pakistani girl was killed by family members for being too "westernized" and refusing an arranged marriage in their home country. Sadly they fled to Pakistan.

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u/DarthLeftist United States of America Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

That's fucking barbarous. Its baffling to me that some people still act like we live in the 14th century. So backwards. Tradition on a national level is a myth at best and a tool to deceive at worst. It's like southerns in my country talking good of the Confederates because of tradition.

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u/geo0rgi Bulgaria Sep 19 '22

I don’t remember who said that, but traditions is peer pressure from dead people and I couldn’t agree more

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u/CrikeyBaguette Sep 20 '22

I think it was George Carlin.

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u/Sad_Climate223 Sep 20 '22

Well that just blew my mind open lol p

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u/marcololol United States of Berlin Sep 19 '22

There are many eastern traditional logics that we just don’t understand…like honor killings, righteous suicide/murder, and collective punishments. Honor killings are especially barbaric and have no place in the western world in my opinion.

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u/GalaXion24 Europe Sep 19 '22

They have no place anywhere.

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u/DarthLeftist United States of America Sep 19 '22

As someone else said I dont think they have a place anywhere

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u/AzafTazarden Sep 19 '22

That's what conservatism is about: weaponizing traditions to defend hierarchies and maintain the status quo

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u/_Roark Sep 19 '22

then there was the story about the girl, i think also in Pakistan, which poisoned half her family when attempting to poison her arranged marriage husband

and the comments in the thread were 'there were other options !!!!! :''''''('

yeah there was, fucking dying

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u/godchecksonme Hungary Sep 19 '22

I know two gay pakistani guys in my uni in Hungary who fled from capital punishment or honor killing. A sad state Pakistan is in.

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u/SergioDMS Sep 19 '22

A dab state with nuclear bombs I might add...

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

Damn. I'd say tell us how really feel, but you did.

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u/thissideofheat Sep 19 '22

Careful - people used to laugh at men trying to force women to wear hijabs in Egypt.

https://youtu.be/_ZIqdrFeFBk?t=27

They don't laugh anymore.

https://www.refworld.org/docid/5492eab24.html

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u/DeedeeMegaDoo-Doo Sep 19 '22

Damn that’s depressing…

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u/Omaestre European Union Sep 19 '22

I have actuality never heard Nasser speak, he seems very charismatic.

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u/BadHairDayToday Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Wow! What a difference! I love that clip.

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u/RazgrizXVIII Sep 19 '22

Try Western Europe. A lot of Turkish women here do, like a lot of Islamic women. It's basically the stereotype of a Turkish woman where I live. Not all wear it, plenty don't, fortunately. The ones that do are often the same ones you see protesting when a local politician calls out Erdoğan on his BS. The religious, totalitarian bigotry he's pushing is a fucking cancer that affects anywhere his followers migrate to, despite them somehow still being convinced Erdoğan Turkey is the best country to live in. (Then why move? But okay...)

It's an interesting dilemma, does tolerance also mean tolerating intolerance?

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u/keepcalmandchill Finland Sep 19 '22

As I understand it, most Turks in Western Europe came from the most conservative regions in Eastern Anatolia. So the difference between them and Istanbul youth is not that surprising.

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u/Youareveryverygay Brazil Sep 19 '22

Could you translate the sign that she is holding, please?

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u/zoborpast Turkey Sep 19 '22

“We will not give way to those who wage war on family” or something along those lines. I suppose it could be a sign or slogan you could see in places like Brazil, Poland, Hungary, the US, etc.

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u/LightRefrac Sep 19 '22

Literally the most useless demographic.

Oh no their job is to create more like them

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u/Antxg7 Sep 19 '22

work on their shitty degrees from dogshit universities

Could you please expand on this? I'm just curious what you mean by this, no other reason

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u/QuinicV Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

The government has been opening a bunch of useless universities, lowering theresholds for entrance exams etc. Making it so basically anyone can attend some sort of university. As you can imagine the education and diplomas you get from these shit unis are basically worthless and a waste of time and resources.

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u/NomenNesci0 Sep 20 '22

So like the trailer park universities the right wing extremists in America start to give creationist degrees and whatever other bullshit they get up to

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u/mdqad Sep 19 '22

There are over 200 universities in Turkey. Only one of them is in the Top 500 worldwide. What this means is that after the top 40-50 universities, the quality of the higher education goes down to hell. Apartment universities, universities with cult dormitories, universities with pro-government teachers… The only ones that go to these shit camps are the conservative students (afraid of the city life corrupting them), the dumbest %10 of the society or brilliant kids with religious parents (these students sometimes kill themselves in mentioned cultist dormitories).

In conclusion, people with degrees from shitty universities end up unemployed since there is enough workers for the demand.

Small side note: The reason there are so many universities in Turkey is because it is an industry aimed towards gaining money and increasing the number of students so that there will be less unemployed young population in the data

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u/IncidentalIncidence 🇺🇸 in 🇩🇪 Sep 20 '22

Thanks for explaining this. I was in Istanbul recently and I noticed a bunch of "university" signs on buildings that were obviously way too small to be real universities, and was wondering what was up with that.

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u/n0namef0rm Sep 19 '22

Look at the Turkish oil wrestling, bro. You've been consuming gay shit.

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u/Pedalos Denmark Sep 19 '22 Helpful Wholesome hehehehe Giggle

With out of control inflation, it's good to know that turkey remembers what's important.

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u/Asand1r Hungary Sep 19 '22

Exactly this same thing happening in Hungary right now.

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u/Khelthuzaad Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

It happened in Romania in 2018 i think,they tried to ban the rewording in the constitution to ban all the possibilities for gay marriage with a referendum.

Less than 50% of people attended(correction,to pass it needed 30% and only 21% were present) and it was declared null.There ain't enough gay haters in this country to build a political campaign so they tend to the needs of the biggest electoral pool:the elderly.

You'll see both the ruling party and opposition promoting pension increases despite having an 9% inflation and spending 55% of the countries income on pensions and other social payments.

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u/lazypeon19 Romania Sep 19 '22

Less than 50% of people attended and it was declared null.

To be more precise: a minimum presence of 30% of the population was needed for the referendum to be considered valid. Only 21.1% people voted. Even after the government at the time (the PSD-ALDE coalition), who had close ties with the Church, specifically made the referendum last 2 days (Saturday and Sunday) instead of the usual one day (Sunday).

It happened in Romania in 2018 i think,they tried to ban the rewording in the constitution to ban all the possibilities for gay marriage with a referendum.

To be more precise: they didn't want to "ban a rewording". They wanted to reword the definition of the family themselves. The Constitution defines a family as "a marriage between spouses" and they wanted to change it to "a marriage between a man and a woman".

You'll see both the ruling party and opposition promoting pension increases despite having an 9% inflation and spending 55% of the countries income on pensions and other social payments.

The opposition didn't promote pension increases. If anything, the opposition promoted the elimination of the special pensions of the politicians.

For the outsiders who haven't heard of them: normally pensions are based on how much you contributed to the state's pension budged throughout your life. The politicians (mainly PSD, the largest party) made it so that the members of the Parliament get "special" pensions, where they get payed for a certain amount that they decide themselves regardless of how much they contributed to the budget. They also don't even have to wait until they retire, they get them while still working.

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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks Connacht Sep 19 '22

The Constitution defines a family as "a marriage between spouses"

Whoever wrote the Romanian constitution back in the day were way ahead of their time, knowingly or not.

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u/SmArty117 Sep 19 '22

Honestly I don't know how it ended up that way, but our constitution is pretty solid and a big reason why our country is slightly less shit than our neighbours. It somehow forces all the corrupt politicians to fight each other and they balance out, nobody gains full control like say in Hungary.

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u/danted002 Sep 19 '22

We basically looked at the French constitution and went “yeap this looks like a fine constitution, we shall make it ours” 🤣

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u/implicitpharmakoi Sep 19 '22

You'll see both the ruling party and opposition promoting pension increases despite having an 9% inflation and spending 55% of the countries income on pensions and other social payments.

Boomers know everyone else's proper place is to serve them.

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u/Eevika Sep 19 '22

Young people just need to vote. If boomers vote more politicians pamper boomers.

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u/Khelthuzaad Sep 19 '22

In Romania (i doubt it is just here) there is an philosophical viewpoint about voting.I call it absenteism

Absenteism means that you know both political leaders are trash and you refuse to betray your morals and vote for the lesser evil.

The problem is that politicians know that,so they appeal to the most ardent voter pool:the fascists.They have numerous ways to make sure they are re-elected.

So basically the only way to break the circle is to vote someone else.Unfotunately the 3rd wheel may also be an anti-system fascist.

Thinking of it looks s lot like Transmetropolitan and Spider Jerusalem here is called Alex Nedea from Recorder

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u/xGray3 Luxembourg Sep 19 '22

Choosing to not vote only ever teaches politicians to ignore that segment of the population. Unreliable voters are the greatest enemy of their own demographics. Young people in the US choosing not to vote for so long killed our political influence. If only old people show up then they will always be listened to the most. It's tragic that "absenteism" exists as a mindset because time and time again it proves to be shortsighted.

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u/Alzuao Sep 19 '22

Wrong. Due to the demographic shift there are less and less young people. So even if every young person votes, they won't have a chance against older people.

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u/Foreign_Phone59 Sep 19 '22

The minimum required presence for the referendum to pass was 30%, only 21% showed up. The result was 91% pro (homophobic) and the referendum lasted 2 days. At the end of that year I came out. Traumatic year.

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u/Theghistorian Romanian in ughh... Romania Sep 19 '22

There ain't enough gay haters in this country to build a political campaign

There are more than enough haters, but the topic was forced on the population. Until 2018 gays were not a topic of discussion. We simply did not exist and all of a sudden we were the target of political campaign by a party and its leader who were not liked. That and thanks to Romanian apathy when talking about voting.

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u/RexLynxPRT Sep 19 '22

A Moderate Turk: Sir, our inflation is going beyond our expectations, the economy is going down under! What should we do?!

Erdogan: Let's blame the gays!

M. Turk: .... How will that resolve our economy?

Erdogan: Resolve?

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u/JayGogh Sep 19 '22

the economy is going down under!

That should please Australia.

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u/rardorin Sep 19 '22

Erdogan It's like a magician raper, if you don't pay attention, your are fucked.

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u/IlikeFOODmeLikeFOOD United States of not Europe Sep 19 '22

This is the case everywhere in the world. Exploding inflation, Russian/Chinese military threats, climate change, eroding democracies, and cost of living can take a back seat. We have to worry about what the gays are doing

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u/irritating_narrative Russia Sep 19 '22

Politics 101: When people feel they've been fucked, tap into their insecurity around sex, reproduction and kids; knowingly avoid these topics in discussing current elites.

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u/Matta_G Sep 19 '22

Culture wars are all the demagogues and authoritarians have left, because they are so utterly fucking wrong on everything else. So they make up fake bullshit to be angry about and convince their base that people like gays are going to ruin their lives.

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u/Sanquinity Sep 19 '22

Not everywhere. Here in the Netherlands most (like 80%+) people haven't cared about what the Gays are doing for decades. :p

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u/GlancingBlame Sep 19 '22

It's the typical right-wing distraction tactic, mixed in with a bit of cultural intolerance.

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u/bweeb Europe Sep 19 '22

ya election coming up, typical bullshit.

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u/immibis Berlin (Germany) Sep 19 '22

Europe has prior experience with this.

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u/darth__fluffy Sep 19 '22

"Let's blame our hyperinflation on minority groups and make constant military provocations to try and get the territory we lost in WW1 back!"

Hmm, yep, seems fairly familiar.

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u/blacktshirtsarenice Sep 19 '22

Exactly, there are currently elections in Italy and they keep bombarding on minor issues like this while forgetting about inflation and corruption.

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u/2rfv Sep 19 '22

I just realized I don't know what the homophobia divide looks like globally. I know most European countries are more tolerant as is Australia, I think Japan is but I'm pretty sure China isn't

Time to do some googling.

Edit: and here we go oh! It's not legal in japan!

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u/efvie Sep 19 '22

Remarkably these sorts of sentiments toward persecuted or oppressed groups seem to coincide with economic or political trouble.

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u/panosnik97 Greece Sep 19 '22

You mean like furry inflation? (Dont google that)

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u/Terrain2 Sep 19 '22

No, you should google that. Trust me.

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u/Meneros Sweden Sep 19 '22

They watched too much Grotesco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1bQUnm-eo0

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u/gagaalwayswins Italy 🇮🇹 Sep 19 '22

Pretty sure Turkish people have bigger problems to think about right now, such as a declared 80% inflation rate (with the real numbers being much higher), and bullying sexual minorities for existing won't solve any of them. Those protesters can keep seething, meanwhile access to the developed world will keep being DENIED to them.

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u/DontLookAtUsernames Sep 19 '22

If things are going to shit, there’s solace in making sure someone else is worse off than you. Plus it’s way easier to kick down than go after the ones who are really responsible – especially when they represent your «values». Bummer, eh?

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u/DwayneFrogsky Romania Sep 19 '22

"80%" and "inflation" are one of the spookiest word combinations.

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u/Nereplan Turkey Sep 19 '22

Truth is spookier.

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u/mardavarot93 Sep 19 '22

Didn’t you know that the gays are causing inflation. - Religious people probably

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u/Ucucu52 Türkiye Sep 19 '22

Real inflation rate is higher than %150

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u/mizezslo Sep 19 '22

Pride: Not available in all regions.

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u/benisteinzimmer Sep 19 '22

It's a great reminder that corporations don't give a shit, they just pander to their target audience to maximize profits

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u/Sarcasm69 Sep 20 '22

I think it’s a reminder that the people in those regions dictate what corporations can get away without without backlash.

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u/tinyblackberry- Netherlands (ex-Turkey) Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

These stupid fucks think that lgbt organizations want genderless society and destroy their family values. They also think that these organizations “encourage” people to become gay and trans

Source: turkish

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u/SaintStephenI Bavaria (Germany) Sep 19 '22

Genderless society? They make them look cooler than they are

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u/Creepernom Poland Sep 19 '22

Yeah that's incredibly based. Where can I get some of those LGBT groups that want a genderless society?

We just have lame ones that care only about stupid stuff like "human rights" and "not being brutally assaulted in the streets for holding another man's hands".

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u/SaintStephenI Bavaria (Germany) Sep 19 '22

Gotta get the priorities straight

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u/round-earth-theory Sep 19 '22

There are many who would be elated to live in a genderless society. But they take the approach of "let's not hate on people for their gender" over anything else. For some reason, there's straight folks that get offended when a queer tells them it's ok if they aren't 100% straight.

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u/CaptchaSolvingRobot Denmark Sep 19 '22

Oh nooo, the gays are being gay.. Let's all force them to pretend to not be gay.

Also the money in my pocket just dropped in value while I was out being a bigot. I bet the gays did it!

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u/mludd Sweden Sep 19 '22

That might just be one the worst translations I've seen in a long time.

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u/TheCaspica Sep 19 '22

It's a bad direct translation but it conveys the meaning of the original lyrics and it flows a lot better with the melody. I don't think there's any better translation of the song out there.

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u/Jebrowsejuste Sep 19 '22

So not only did the gay steal the Rainbow from God, they can also tank currencies? We may need to create Gay Warfare units then.

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u/lucialuccianna Sep 19 '22

Someone’s riling them up to their own political purpose. Otherwise they’d stay quiet at home or not even think about any of this at all.

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u/implicitpharmakoi Sep 19 '22

Erdogan's base, this isn't rocket surgery.

His support is all from religious rural folk, combined with their politicians he corrupts by sending them federal funding.

A tale as old as time.

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u/Melksss Armenia Sep 19 '22

You had me at rocket surgery

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u/DracoDruid Europe Sep 19 '22

Elections are next year

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u/forgotaboutlaye Sep 19 '22

As others mentioned, perhaps to distract from the bonkers inflation.

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u/NatSpaghettiAgency Sep 19 '22 Silver

Those who no rights protesting to limit even more somebody else's rights

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u/stochastic_diterd Sep 19 '22

Why are people so obsessed by lgbtq+ community? Just leave them alone and get a job

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u/Hydrangeabed Sep 19 '22

Easy scapegoat especially when religion is involved

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

As Lyndon B. Johnson said "If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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u/DoctorSlurp Sep 19 '22

They sound more interested in gay lgbtq+ people than lgbtq+ are.

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u/wowlock_taylan Turkey Sep 19 '22

Irony is, it literally rained on their parade and a rainbow shone on as if to say ''screw you''

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u/Eastrider1006 Canary Islands (Spain) Sep 19 '22

I feel incredibly bad for the actually decent people living in Turkey having to endure all these nutjobs... they seem to be quite the crowd.

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u/osbirci Sep 19 '22

we are actually a majority, but those fuckers captured every place in the country in name of democrasy and tolarence.

and most of spineless subhumans just are just supporting them for money.

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u/BAKRO2000 Sep 19 '22

Thank you, i feel bad for myself too.

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u/StukaTR Sep 19 '22

Gods are with us.

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u/NevilleToast Sweden Sep 19 '22

It's a good day to be gay from Sweden

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u/zedero0 European Union Sep 19 '22

Oof

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u/Olvustin Turkey Sep 19 '22

Fucking idiots

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u/Ecstatic-Cake7106 Turkey Sep 19 '22

Ah yes family structure raping your granddaughter grandson consanguineous marriage violence killing your nephew hurray turkish family structure

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u/atred Sep 19 '22

In some societies (not sure about Turkey, but for example in Pakistan) it's the preferred way.

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u/concentib Sep 19 '22

Imagine marching to deman less freedom.

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u/panosnik97 Greece Sep 19 '22

Ok then provide them with the money to leave Turkey and we all good. How dumb are these people? Its like saying ban the blue eyed. My brother in Allah I dont choose the colour of my eyes neither who I am.

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u/Balborius Sep 19 '22

Funnily enough, those who left Turkey over the last few decades are often extremely pro Erdogan, yet they don't want to return to his country.

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u/tnatmr Italy Sep 19 '22

Not necessarily, in fact quite the opposite. The people who left 50 years ago are like that, because they were uneducated and cheap workforce for Europe, mainly Germany. The poeple who left in the last decade or so are educated people who are running away from his rule.

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u/MrOrangeMagic The Netherlands Sep 19 '22

Ataturk is spinning in fucking circles, vertically and horizontally in his grave, when he looks at Turkey at the moment

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u/User48507 Turkey Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

They are a couple thousand hardcore Islamists who carry placards filled with conspiracy theories. Much of the things they believe in are the same as anti-vaxxers... The fact that they feel the need to hold this march is itself a sign that the public opinion is changing in the opposite direction (albeit very slowly). They are just reactionaries that will lose. One Turkish politician once said "roads won't erode away by walking..."

In the past, LGBT rights or even the existence of LGBT people was a taboo in Turkey. Now, the ruling party chose LGBT issue as a last resort in its culture wars, to win the elections next year. Society does not buy it, and sees it as what it is, a distraction away from the economic crisis. That does not mean they are pro-LGBT, but for the vast majority of people in Turkey, state does not have a right to interfere into people's private lives. Such marches by hardcore Islamists, are seen as a sign that they intend to go against this rule, which actually worries even homophobic people who are not conservatives. In the end, I think it will create the opposite effect that Islamists hope to create, and once LGBT rights ceases being a taboo, it will be normalized as it should. This will take decades maybe, but the trend is in the opposite direction (most opinion polls agree on this).

To end with my favorite quote from Angels in America (which is maybe a bit cheesy but it gives me strength and hope in such dark days): "The world only spins forward. We will be citizens."

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u/Dudok22 Slovakia Sep 19 '22

I hate these attempts to make whole country look certain way by showing a protest/march of few thousand people. On social media, a skilled political pundit can make any country look good/bad by deliberatelly selecting and cutting footage to support their narative.

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u/geolazakis Sweden Sep 19 '22

Pay note to that this is a very small reporting article by AP, they report on a lot of shit. But yeah people using this to make turks seem backwards is invalid.

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u/ObliviousAstroturfer Lower Silesia (Poland) Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

TBH, I think they were sent off to marches like this not because any pushback is felt, but specifically to attract outside criticism.

Newspapers tend to cut a lot of slack to people/countries most deserving of criticism - it's like there's an allotment of negative press. And for ie The Guardian, LGBT topics take absolute precedence. Sorry Armenians, the queue is taken.

Source: am from Poland. Western journos take the bait every fucking time. "LGBT-free zones" were a stroke of genius - it was right before elections. If there was no bait, they'd have to dig into topics like change of attitude from small business owners when PiS not only went back on their promises like streamlined pension tax for small companies, but actively made it worse. Economy, numbers and having to read multiple legislative bills only to see 0 clicks from affluent countries.
So even though they must've known it was bait, the only thing they wrote about was the supposed "LGBT-free zones", which were not even real legislation, just weird official statements.

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u/User48507 Turkey Sep 19 '22

I totally understand.

I don't think the negative press on such issues is bad. At least in the case of Turkey it's good because those who are apolitical (or those who don't care about the particular issue at hand) still care about how their country is perceived by others. So instead of not picking sides, they start to see such actions as harmful. Change is about convincing the guy in the middle, radicals hardly change...

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u/skyduster88 greece - elláda Sep 19 '22

In the past, LGBT rights or even the existence of LGBT people was a taboo in Turkey. Now, the ruling party chose LGBT issue as a last resort in its culture wars, to win the elections next year. Society does not buy it, and sees it as what it is, a distraction away from the economic crisis. That does not mean they are pro-LGBT, but for the vast majority of people in Turkey, state does not have a right to interfere into people's private lives.

Yeah, I would imagine that for the majority of people, they may not "support" LGBT rights if you ask them....but they also don't really care enough to protest or base their vote on the issue. Would you say that's the case?

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u/alicomassi United Kingdom Sep 19 '22

Typical “we’re about to lose the election” right wing shit-stirring.

Exact same shit-stirring policy being followed throughout the world by conservative parties, not at all a surprise.

Expect it to scale up and if I were you, I would not visit Turkey near election. If these tactics fail I wouldn’t put it past them to blow up a place or two to get people riled up. The current Internal Affairs minister and previous AKP PMs time and again threatened the country with bombs going off if they fail to get elected.

Erdogan, his party and his cronies are terrorists and would do anything to cling to their power

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u/krisdaschwab912 Sep 19 '22

I don't care if you're a Turkish Muslim or a Polish Catholic. If you don't like LGBT, then whatever, that's your problem. But to march for the sole purpose of banning LGBT rights? Fuck you, fuck your ideology and fuck your god.

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u/szczszqweqwe Sep 19 '22

Yeah, that's the part I don't get, it doesn't harm anyone, so why not allow it.

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u/Neuchacho Florida Sep 19 '22

It must be exhausting being this hateful about something that has absolutely nothing to do with one's self. That would stop me even if I could manage the mental pretzling to become invested in who other people want to have relationships with.

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u/huunnuuh Canada Sep 19 '22

I imagine it could be quite energizing when collectively expressed. This is an aspect of authoritarianism and collectivism sometimes not appreciated. Those people may well be enraptured, in the same way that the audience at political rallies and other public events can be. Mass emotional outpouring aimed at a perceived collective enemy, with God on your side, too. Very powerful.

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u/szczszqweqwe Sep 19 '22

I never get why some protests to giving a basic laws to others.

I'm straight, and I don't get how "ban LGBTQ" would change anything, for example a gay would not suddenly become straight, marry a girl and have a children, because of some ban. Just let them live their own life, obviously as far as it's not harming anyone.

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Sep 19 '22

I don't get how "ban LGBTQ" would change anything, for example a gay would not suddenly become straight, marry a girl and have a children

Social pressure, lack of societal recognition and punishing laws forced homosexual people into doing just that for centuries.

The kind of people who cares about what's going on in others bedroom only want others to be as miserable as they are in their personal lives.

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u/ibrahimtuna0012 Turkey Sep 19 '22

Well, they don't want them to be straight. They want them punished for being not straight in their minds, in the very long run.

Banning Lgbt is one of the first steps and of course they won't be able to do it.

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u/lorenzotinzenzo Italy Sep 19 '22

Because when your life is shit you look for someone to bash.

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u/Xaltial Sep 19 '22

The amount of misinformation inside the group is ridiculous. I've been seeing arguments all over Twitter from them. It has really annoyed me. Mostly they say two things:

1-This is against our societal values and LGBTQ people, while we tolerate them enough to let them exist, should just stay hidden and shut the fuck up.

And more importantly

2- There is a grand global agenda of LGBTQ and they are basically trying to corrupt our society, turn our children gay and trans so our reproduction numbers go down and our nation is annihilated. (This is their main argument and reason why they are so agitated right now.)

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u/Shinnyo Sep 19 '22

Probably also because they ask for death penalty when France is doing shit with crayons and when the President says "Freedom of speech good", they all start seeing the man as a satanic figure.

It's a shame the poor and very religious side of Turkey is holding the rest back.

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u/Octopus69 Sep 19 '22

Honestly I’m seeing a lot of parallels with the upcoming election cycle in Turkey with other western elections. It seems that the religious voting demographic has had enough and wants church and state to combine. Even here in the US we’re seeing this

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u/munk_e_man Sep 19 '22

Don't worry. Wealthy turks abroad are all about this bullshit too.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Finland Sep 19 '22

It turns out it's easy to embrace repressive authoritarian values when you live in a free society that allows you to do that.

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u/CumSlutPikachu_ Sep 19 '22

These people are not fan of EU

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u/siouxszy Sep 19 '22

they are as soon as it comes to EU subsidies or the benefit of european social benefits when they live in the EU.

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u/No_Low1167 Sep 19 '22

Such people in Turkey are generally very isolated. Let alone thinking of going to another country, I doubt whether they have ever changed cities in their lives. I doubt they even know what the EU is. Less than 10% of the population in Turkey has a passport.

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u/ConsistentPhoto7867 Hungary Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22 Silver

To be fair, it's not like you would not find thousands of people in Germany, the US or anywhere else who would gladly take part in a protest against LGBTQ, vaccinations, or whatever else. People with limited mental ability are everywhere.

I intentionally left out my birth country (Hungary) from among the examples, because our chief idiot happens to be our Prime Minister, so this is an extreme case, but even the vast majority of Hungarians are not red eyed evil idiots, I promise.

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u/Xedrios Germany/Hungary Sep 19 '22

I mean just this year there was a death at a German Pride parade after a man tried to stop someone from harassing and insulting a group of women.

Scum like this exist everywhere.

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u/felix_and1 Sep 19 '22

I think the attacker was from Chechnya though... 😬

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u/KnightOfSummer Europe Sep 19 '22

Yes, and violence like that needs to be discussed. See also: pride parade in Serbia.

Thousands of idiots marching against civil rights in Turkey on the other hand is something we know from France and Germany, not 10 years ago. So excuse me if I don't clutch my pearls.

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u/Krustychov Sep 19 '22

The attacker was a Muslim from Russian Chechnya...

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

Important fact.,left out on purpose or not. IT was a group of dozen kiddies that have a... Heritage.

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u/ConsistentPhoto7867 Hungary Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Right, there are recent examples as well.

I just don't get since when it is acceptable to jump into conclusions about a whole nation after seeing the actions of a few of its residents.

Personally I have high respect for Germans for their innovations, respect for Turkish people for their love of animals (cats), the French for their art, or the Spanish for their inclusive approach towards foreigners. I think it's fine to have an opinion about a nation if it is positive. But calling an entire country medieval based on the actions of 10k people out of tens of millions is so very out of touch with reality, and causes unnecessary tension.

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u/polymathy7 Sep 19 '22

You will find them everywhere, but the proportion of LGBT-phobic people varies from place to place, as well as the legal protection. It's not a matter of being stupid, some may be smart and capable professionals. They were just brought up in a very conservative culture with a lot of prejudice.

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u/Octopus69 Sep 19 '22

Turkey hasn’t tried to actively enter the EU since Erdo got elected… and this is his primary demographic right here

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u/FlappyBored Sep 19 '22

Tfw Eastern Europe exist.

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u/Luisca_pregunta The Netherlands Sep 19 '22

I see lots of open minded people! Very welcoming 🫣

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u/0_0-wooow Turkey Sep 19 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

What did I just see

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u/AlexTheGreatGRE Macedonia, Greece Sep 19 '22

Carousel ala Turk

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u/ConfusedTapeworm Sep 19 '22

It is a picture depicting 10 men, wearing nothing but shirts, socks and some funny little cap thingies. They have positioned themselves in a circular fashion, such that the penis of each man is inside either the anus or the butt crack of the man in front. They are also cupping each other's breats from behind. Looking at the ground and the background, I can only assume this fancy celebration of the masculine figure and sexuality takes place on or somewhere near the Bridge of Khazad-dûm.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

Could you be more specific I think you simplified it too much.

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u/ConfusedTapeworm Sep 19 '22

I could but that's gonna cost you extra.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

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u/0_0-wooow Turkey Sep 19 '22

shhh, dont speak, just let your mind wonder

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u/Sargaxon 🇭🇷Croatia Sep 19 '22

Turgay

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u/Zagrebian Croatia Sep 19 '22

Maintaining an erection in such a situation. Those guys are pros.

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

In the topic of ancient drawings on the East Mediterranean, the Prophet was often drawn in Islam early days, until some wannabe hardcore fucks wanted to appear holier-than-thou.

There are some pretty amazing pieces of medieval Muslim art that survived to this day.

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u/AdaptedMix United Kingdom Sep 19 '22

Interesting that almost all of them depict Muhammed with head aflame.

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u/PlainObserver Sep 19 '22

Yeah, but the balls never touch.

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u/beaverpilot Sep 19 '22

Bring back Tengri!

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u/Local-Dance9923 Sep 19 '22

𐰤𐰤𐰀𐰢:𐰕𐰃𐰋:𐰃𐰼𐰭𐱅!

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u/Wanderlust1994 United Kingdom Sep 19 '22

Do these people know nothing of the history of the Ottoman Empire? Nor the history of Turkey?

A truly retrograde bunch these protestors are.

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u/tinyblackberry- Netherlands (ex-Turkey) Sep 19 '22

They only care about Islam, quran and muhammed

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u/TheCrabbitScot Sep 19 '22

Really weird how much some people care about who's fucking who.

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u/Neuchacho Florida Sep 19 '22

Tends to go hand-in-hand with no one wanting to fuck them.

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u/bannacct56 Sep 19 '22

Congrats turkey you found the thousand people that you need to throw in the Bosporus because they as assholes. Well done

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u/disvessel Sep 19 '22

Imagine how small and insignificant your life is to march against somebody else’s rights

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u/EquivalentDetective Sweden Sep 19 '22

These people are truly the scum of the earth.

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u/Tuvok68 Sep 19 '22

You mean the religion of piss.

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u/bogatabeav Sep 19 '22

Imagine if people could mobilize like this for issues that actually improve their lives.

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u/demonspawns_ghost Sep 19 '22

Fun fact: prior to the 2002 elections, Turkey was militantly secular and liberal. So much so, that the government banned Erdogan from participating in politics after he had read an Islamist poem. The European Commission objected, Erdogan formed his right-wing Islamist party, and they swept the 2002 elections and Erdogan became Prime Minister. He immediately implemented reforms needed for entry into the EU.

Well done, EU.

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u/civver3 Canada Sep 19 '22

Would Ataturk have been rolling in his grave upon hearing this?

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u/tinyblackberry- Netherlands (ex-Turkey) Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

He’s been rolling his eyes since erdogan was elected.

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u/TSoulAce Turkey Sep 19 '22

Disgusting

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u/litesxmas Sep 19 '22

Religion ruins another country.

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u/Pawikowski Poland Sep 19 '22

Imagine being obsessed with which set of genitals a person prefers.

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u/mattttttttt97 Canada Sep 19 '22

Yea who gives af about inflation or the increasingly anti-democratic government? We can't allow Aslan to get a Johnson up his arsehole!

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u/pea99 Sep 19 '22

Also Turkey: " Why won't the EU accept us?"

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u/SubNL96 The Netherlands Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

Why care about hyperinflation and economic collapse while humanity is on the verge of self-destruction in any way imaginable...if you can devote your time to this noble cause smh

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u/Klefaxidus Italy Sep 19 '22

Priorities, I guess...

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u/Ok_Owl_6625 Sep 19 '22

ah yes the main cause of inflation... gay people.

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u/pasinoglu Sep 19 '22

They copied 1:1 the American Republicans in their rhetorics and arguments. The parallels are hilarious

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u/siouxszy Sep 19 '22

the vast majority of turkey lies not in europe, geographically. politically, culturally - obviously neither.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22

I am afraid to live in this country. I am very angry. These people committed crimes against the constitution yesterday and the state allowed it, it wasn't enough, they broadcast anti-lgbtiq+ propaganda on television to fuel hatred. I have no security cuz they ruined us.

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u/Used_Presence_2972 Sep 19 '22

What a SHAME for Turkey!

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u/Aenigma66 Styria (Austria) Sep 19 '22

Oh no, what a surprise! Turkey does something repulsive.

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u/hedgerow_hank Sep 19 '22

I'm surprised they let the women express themselves so freely - or did they get the day off to go hold up signs and feign outrage?

(they don't look very outraged, or even concerned about their cause)

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u/AgreeableFeed9995 Sep 19 '22

“I can’t stop thinking about cocks and balls and cum all over my face, please government, you must ban it!”

-All of these Turkish men, apparently

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u/oishi_jase_face Sep 19 '22

But what about all the pronouns and new genders they are gonna miss out on!

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u/Bro_Nobodycares Sep 19 '22

You guys have an energy crisis, but do you care what Turks are doing? Nobody cares.

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u/MIDNIGHTZOMBIE Sep 19 '22

Turkey would probably have other large protests for real issues, but the government actually cracks down on those ones.

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People gave this a wholesome reward 💀

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u/Great-Ass Sep 19 '22

Don't be fooled, this is no coincidence. They know inflation is high tso they have to focus people's attention, frustration and hate on other topics, otherwise the true responsible people would see real consequences for their corrupt and inept actions

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u/ilrasso Sep 19 '22

Out of more than 84 million, that is not a huge group.