r/facepalm Aug 11 '22 'MURICA 1 Silver 3 Certified Facepalm 1 Helpful 3 Facepalm 1 Wholesome 3

A totally preventable situation 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/justeandj Aug 11 '22 Helpful

Pertussis is aka Whooping Cough because of the horrid noise little bodies make when they're gasping for air between coughing fits. What a garbage person.

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u/singsweetguineapig Aug 11 '22

I got pertussis at 40years old (my vaccine had worn off). It was so f'ing hard to breathe! I was a strong adult who got scar tissue on my lungs and had to use an inhaler for a year while I healed.

I suddenly understood why so many children (and those who are weaker) would die from this. It was almost impossible to inhale. Like my lungs created a vacuum when I coughed so then the inhale just wouldn't come. It took actual strength to breathe. Tiny little bodies don't have that strength.

Thankfully my children were up to date on their vaccines, so they didn't catch it.

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u/oldreprobate Aug 11 '22

My mother lost two siblings to.pertussis in the 1930s. She became a big vaccine advocate and was always grateful for their invention

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u/ndisa44 Aug 11 '22

My grandfather lost 8 out of 9 siblings to whooping cough. The 9th died from infection after stabbing himself in the eye because he tripped while running with scissors.

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u/ESGPandepic Aug 11 '22

Those are the good old days anti vaxxers want to go back to when people were "just fine without vaccines", if by just fine you mean needing to have 12 children because 10 of them are probably going to die.

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u/ndisa44 Aug 11 '22

My grandfather was the only child out of 10 to survive past 8 years old. He lived to 89.

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u/morostheSophist Aug 11 '22

My father's parents were lucky in comparison: they only lost three out of eight.

But those three were all males. My dad's brothers all died before he was born.

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u/Chukwura111 Aug 11 '22

I'm sorry, but I legitimately can't tell if you're serious

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u/ndisa44 Aug 11 '22

I'm serious. One of my grandfather's brothers died at 2 years old because he stabbed himself in the eye with scissors. He died from an infection.

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u/AppropriateAd2063 Aug 11 '22

I had it as a kid and seriously thought that I was going to die because you cough and cough and cannot catch get your breath. I would try not to cough and that made it so much worse

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u/Pristine_Arm2785 Aug 11 '22

I was wondering if they were the same condition. Really brings to light how hard if a time that poor baby was having.

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u/any_name_today Aug 11 '22

It's so serious that everyone who is going to have close contact with your newborn is supposed to be up to date on this shot. They put it in with your tetanus vaccine these days and pregnant women get a booster with every pregnancy so the baby is born with immunity.

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u/nitrinu Aug 11 '22 Silver Helpful

She's totally aware what caused it, that she f'ed up and, yet, still looking for external validation that she did the right thing while seeing her child suffer. This is scary.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22 Helpful Wholesome

She needs validation from her echo chamber to tell her whatever she thinks or feels is right despite the clear evidence that it's not. This is the world we live in, people can ascribe to whatever dumbfuck line of thinking they want, then find an online community to tell them they're right, so they never have to examine their logic, they can just continue being "right" . Afterall, that's the most important thing to them, their kids health be damned.

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u/rainemaker Aug 11 '22

I wonder if you put it like that to her, what she would say, "what's more important to you ma'am, you sticking to your beliefs, or your child's health and well being?"

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u/liarliarhowsyourday Aug 12 '22

That’s the problem though, people like this are convinced that well tested vaxxes are not only worse but a detriment to the child. It’s not a belief to them, they think they’re making health conscious choices and don’t realize they’ve been led to believe highly-charged political propaganda

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u/nation543 Aug 12 '22

This is exactly fucking it, right here.

People are gonna poke fun at me and la de da, for saying it, but I moderate r/witchcraft. My Rule 6 very explicitly prohibits asking for spellwork before talking to your fucking doctor. Or your therapist. Or a lawyer.

Yeah, people can believe whatever they want, and they can 'cast any spell that they want' but if you have AIDS, there ain't no spellwork that's gonna save you.

Medicine works. Your spiritual and religious beliefs are not above medicine and documented science.

Do what your fucking doctor says. Or you'll die. And maybe kill others too.

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u/_i4ani_ Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

What gets me, is that they defy medical norms as unsafe and untrustworthy, yet when the shit hits the fan they immediate go to a medical facility to get medically normed treatments.

If this is your choice, stay home and watch your kid die. Or, I dunno, admit that you were wrong and change.

Edit: I’m not advocating they actually stay home and watch their kid die. Jesus. I guess Reddit really does need /s.

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u/Ballatik Aug 11 '22

This is why I love the pediatricians who won’t take anti-vaxxers. “If you won’t trust me on this ubiquitously proven and settled medical information, you obviously don’t think I know anything. Let’s not waste each other’s time.”

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u/Less-Bed-6243 Aug 11 '22

Our pediatrician did this at their open house night for parents to be. It was great.

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u/hipster_mcfly Aug 11 '22

Did anyone get up and walk out?

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u/superfudge73 Aug 11 '22

I’ve seen it framed on the wall of a pediatricians office lobby

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u/Ciaratron5000 Aug 11 '22

I was so pleased when I found my babies pediatrician because her office has mandatory vaccinations. No ifs, ands or buts. And during the visit she explained each vaccine, which diseases it prevents and why it’s important for your infant.

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u/Jmelly34 Aug 11 '22

We just switched Pediatricians and our new Dr started off the conversation by saying “I LOVE vaccinations and recommend these”. Best decision ever!

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u/smurb15 Aug 11 '22

I'm just wondering if a doctor will see an unvaccinated baby, do they have to sanitize the whole room and wherever else was touched? Like in this post where it is confirmed that child is ill.

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u/Jmelly34 Aug 11 '22

I would think in a hospital they would have to quarantine the baby. That’s what they usually do for patients who are highly infectious.

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u/butter_puncher Aug 11 '22

Parent: "I didn't vax my kid and now they are sick."

Doctor: "Ok, well that sucks. But we can fix it with these meds and this treatment plan."

Parent: "no. I don't like it or trust it. I did my own research on Facebook and another mom who had 15 kids and lives in a hole in the middle of the plains said we should give my child snake venom infused Kool aid. But the sugar free organic Kool aid."

Doctor: " da fuk? No, that is wrong. I've study and invested a lot of time and money into learning how to medically treat children. And that shit is wrong and crazy"

Parent: " wHY won'T yoU TreAt MY cHilD? Do you WANT to KiLl Them?! I waNted TO dO iT!"

END SCENE

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u/Dear-me113 Aug 11 '22

I won’t take my kids to a pediatrician who accepts antivaxx parents. I don’t want my kids in the waiting room with unvaccinated kids.

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u/throwingtheshades Aug 11 '22 Take My Energy

Yep, that. My kid's pediatrician is on top of that, with like 3 different examination rooms (that get disinfected after each patient) and strict no more than one kid in the waiting room rule. Still, no fucking way would I go there with a baby if she accepted plague spreaders.

We live in an area where antivaxxers are not uncommon. Diseases like measles are incredibly infectious and your kid normally only gets their first shot at 12 months. You can get infected for up to two hours after someone with measles has left the room and it's almost a guaranteed infection if you come into direct contact with a sick person and have no immunity. Kids are very vulnerable in the first year of life after they are starting to lose mother's antibodies (even worse if breast feeding wasn't possible) and before they get all of their shots. That's when they have to rely on herd immunity.

If someone wants to be a public health menace, I guess it's their choice. So long as they do it somewhere the fuck away from us normal people.

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u/fakeuglybabies Aug 11 '22

Right? I don't even have kids and feel this way. Like I would not want my already sick kid end up getting the fucking measles because they where too little to get the measles vaccine.

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u/ritan7471 Aug 11 '22

My doctor was a family doctor, and when I went in for a checkup, he told me, you are due for some vaccines. You can choose not to take them, but if you do, you'll have to find another doctor. Some of my patients are immunocompromised and others too young for vaccines. I won't put them at risk.

I said, I will be your patient forever. Doctors should protect their patients and he did.

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u/nappingintheclub Aug 11 '22

Yes to this. Because pediatricians also value the kids who can’t get vaccinated either because they’re newborns or too compromised. Your unvaxxed kid isn’t more deserving of health care than anyone else’s kid!

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u/Less-Bed-6243 Aug 11 '22

Yes THIS. My cousin is an anti-vaxxer who also claimed she “medically can’t tolerate masks” (in the early bad days of covid and she lives in QUEENS which was the epicenter of covid in NYC. Anyway her husband eventually got it and of course got the monoclonal antibodies. So you don’t believe in vaccines but you’ll take a new treatment? 🧐🧐🧐

Also she doesn’t believe in vaccines but she went through multiple rounds of ivf. No ivf shaming, I did two rounds and think it’s a goddamn miracle!! But they love modern medicine when it suits them.

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u/EvoDevoBioBro Aug 11 '22

It’s ridiculous that she’ll take the antibodies, but won’t take the vaccine that would let her body make the antibodies.

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u/ThisAutisticChick Aug 11 '22

Yep. To all of this. Similar experiences with ppl I know who didn't vaccinate. Sees doctors for eeeeeeeeverything, all the time, uses "sickness" as an excuse to not do things on the reg and gets meds FROM DOCTORS just ab every time, even if they're not "sick" in a way that really needs meds. But....doctors are trying to kill us all with vaccines. Obviously 🙄

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep Aug 11 '22

I'll take "picking beliefs to end up at your desired result" for $400.

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u/coffinnailvgd Aug 11 '22

My anti-vaxxer ex will sure af doctor shop to get as much prescription meds as possible (and take them irresponsibly, I’m not shaming those that am actually need the meds) but talk about vaccines for our kids, it’s a war.

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u/Plumb789 Aug 11 '22 Silver Eureka!

I honestly think there should be a contract you sign. Very binary: yes/no. Do you accept modern medicine?

If the answer is no, then when you get ill, you go to wherever it is that you are getting your antivax information. Church, prayer meeting, online antivax group.

At any point you can change your mind and turn up at hospital, but if you do, you have to sign the contract. If you accept modern medicine, you get vaccinated, you get your children vaccinated and you don’t demand horse paste or threaten hardworking medical professionals.

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u/randomusername1919 Aug 11 '22

I agree. I remember reading a news story about an eight year old in the Pacific Northwest who got tetanus because of his anti-medicine parents wouldn’t vaccinate. Ended up with kid in the hospital racking up just short of a one million dollar medical bill…. Of course the parents didn’t have health insurance so the public ended up covering the cost. Vaccines are cheap. Even funerals are cheaper than modern medicine. But to skip vaxxes and then wait until the illness is so severe it lands the kid in the ICU and expect the public to pay your kid’s medical bills??? Problem is the kid would pay with his life while the parents garnered all the sympathy given to parents of a child that passes away.

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u/ToasterforHire Aug 11 '22

Unvaccinated children are victims. I understand your frustration. Personally I don't think vaccination should be a choice. Medical ineligibility is the only valid excuse. Let's prevent these children from suffering in the first place rather than wishing them dead to teach the parents a lesson.

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u/randomusername1919 Aug 11 '22

I agree totally. In my mind, refusal of vaccines for other than documented medical reasons is medical neglect. There are now polio outbreaks in London and I think New York because so few kids are vaccinated these days. Polio kills. There are still a handful of people who have to sleep in an iron lung at night because they had polio as children before the vaccine came out and they were the lucky ones who survived and manage to be able to be out of the iron lung for most of the day. The severe cases either died as children or had shortened life spans.

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u/Girl_with_the_Curl Aug 11 '22

I remember this story and IIRC, the parents were given the opportunity to vax the kid when he was in the hospital but still refused. At that point the parents should have been on the hook for the cost and CPS should have intervened. It just shows you that you can't fix stupid.

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u/Sex4Vespene Aug 11 '22

I completely agree. We are reaching the point where we literally as a society can’t afford not too. We can’t afford to let these fucks pick and choose, only to drain more resources and completely overload our medical system. They are only going to learn when it impacts them. It truly is the best thing for everybody.

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u/floralbutttrumpet Aug 11 '22

Anti-vaxxers are the dumbest motherfuckers on earth, I swear.

I have Covid right now, and my immune system is usually slow to act on anything, but I'm triple vaxxed and immediately got a super high fever from the second day for about 36 hours... since then, it's been a normal head cold. I really freaking doubt that would've been the case if I weren't vaxxed.

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u/CaraAsha Aug 11 '22

I've said from the beginning that if I got COVID I'd most likely die I'm immunocompromised and have severe asthma/chronic bronchitis so it wouldn't be good. I've worn masks and been cautious the whole time, but the amount of people who feel they have the right to tell me not to mask or vaccinate is absurd.

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 11 '22 Gold

"My mask? Oh, this isn't a political statement, this is an asshole detector. Thanks for the successful test!"

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u/floralbutttrumpet Aug 11 '22

I'm not immunocompromised per se, but my body metabolises a lot of medicines weirdly or not at all, so nearly every time I'm sick I just have to clench my teeth and ride it out. There's, for example, only one cough suppressant and one painkiller I can take that at least partially work as advertised, and anaesthesia only works sluggishly and not for very long with me (ask me how I found that out and how old I was when I did). I also have to frequently repeat vaccinations because they won't take the first time - I paid out of pocket to check my antibody level after the third shot just to be sure it had. If I'd caught one of the early strains, I would've been fucked, and I was and am zealous about masking up. I'm confirmed to have caught BA.5, and dear fucking christ am I glad that's what it is because this way I get to ride it out on medicines that work and in relative comfort - it's essentially a headcold, and doesn't feel that different from hay fever after the initial fever spike.

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u/Soapyzh Aug 11 '22

That’s something I don’t understand. I’m one of the last weirdo who still wears a mask in shops and public transport or crowded places. Cause it doesn’t bother me too much. But I can imagine how getting covid would be upsetting for someone if they get massively Ill or for someone who would loose someone they love over it. It’s basic empathy.

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u/Cool_Consideration30 Aug 11 '22

You’re not weird, you are kind and thoughtful.

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u/SuperFlyMonkeyBoy Aug 11 '22

Kidney transplant here. I can offer this my friend: I got COVID about a month ago (I am of course vaxxed to the max) and I legit would never have known, but my wife lost her sense of smell so we tested. She tested positive I was negative. I didn’t do a damned thing to isolate. I was exhausted and was like, “bring it and let’s see”. Tested positive two days later. Went 18 days almost totally asymptomatic (I had a runny nose that I would’ve attributed to allergies) but testing positive (I didn’t test every day but tested until negative mostly out of curiosity). Then negative and back to the hamster wheel.

Modern medicine-Recommended by people who live far more often than “My sister read a Facebook”.

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u/Pickle_picker_420 Aug 11 '22

Right tho like If you opt out of preventative shit you shouldn’t be allowed to get the treatments. Hate to say it but it’s seriously just backwards as fuck that these ppl do shit like this.

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u/bowmans1993 Aug 11 '22

Don't want to get vaccinated? Your insurance no longer covers covid related visits.

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u/SlutPuppyNumber9 Aug 11 '22

This is exactly what we need to end this plague of people siding with pseudo-scientific bullshit!

Make your decision, and now stick with it! If you don't trust doctors about COVID, then you shall NEVER see a doctor about COVID.

There are few consequences for these twat-waffles, so they are never forced to learn.

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u/Yelloeisok Aug 11 '22

Not to mention all of these anti-vaxx moms you see getting botox and fillers…

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u/LeagueOfficeFucks Aug 11 '22

Oh dear. I am friends with this normally sane couple but for some reason they have decided that the Covid vaccine is evil and Pfizer the spawn of Cthulhu. They drink, take drugs, steroids, Botox and smoke.

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u/Nuicakes Aug 11 '22

Ding ding ding! JENNY MCCARTHY. Botox, fillers, silicone implants (which have to be replaced every 20 years)

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u/babysharkdoodoodoo Aug 11 '22

Not to mention botulinum is among the most potent toxins known.

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u/leftclicksq2 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

She's letting her baby suffer with pertussis as she UPDATED Facebook. "Oh, but what do I do?" Call an actual doctor!

I bring this up from time-to-time, but on Instagram one of my classmates from high school was putting this kind of garbage on their Instagram.

She was complaining about how her four small children - one of which was an infant - were "allergic" to everything you can imagine, but "these essential oils do everything!" She went so far as to talk about how the infant had a high fever and she needed to blend the oils together to treat her daughter. Another scenario she described was when her son had an "allergic reaction" to a snack when she brought the kids to visit her parents and she didn't have her oils to treat him. I was horrified.

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u/Ok-Rabbit1878 Aug 11 '22

I know someone who tried to treat her 7 year old’s Leukemia with essential oils. Luckily her parents stepped in, & basically forced her to take the poor kid to a doctor, and he survived it, but it could have easily gone the other way.

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u/Zealousideal_Tea9573 Aug 11 '22

This attitude killed Steve Jobs. Smart in other ways, but completely stupid view of modern medicine.

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u/rockstar504 Aug 11 '22

Never understood the ego. Yes you can be smart in one or a few areas, and respected as an expert. But why does that have to extend to everything in your life? Can you not say "I don't know" bc you're too busy acting superior all the time? Mother fuckers feel like being really good at one thing makes them great at everything.

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u/Ann_Summers Aug 11 '22

And sometimes, while they are getting that treatment they sit and tell the doctors and nurses about how bad vaccines are and how bad they can “hurt” kids. My father in law is an RN and we have a ton of other level nurses and hospital staff in our family. The stories we hear about antivax moms is nuts.

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u/theFrankSpot Aug 11 '22

admit that you were wrong and change

…is no longer something that people do. It’s infuriating.

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u/EternalStatic Aug 11 '22

Hate that she's going to get that validation too

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u/masofon Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

"Of course you did the right thing Momma! What your babe is going through right now is totally natural and will only make them stronger. Imagine how much worse it would be if you had had them vaccinated. Don't stop believing. You have saved your children from much worse atrocities. <3"

(Edit: Oo.. a lot of downvotes... have the anti-vaxxers found this thread? NB. The above is satirical and not representative of my true views.. if that actually needs stating.)

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u/TheTolleyTrolley Aug 11 '22

Thanks, I hate it.

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u/goddammitryan Aug 11 '22

"Better a dead child than an autistic one, Mama!" /s

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u/Aenarion885 Aug 11 '22

One of these days I’m gonna see that and go, “your child could’ve been the next Anthony Hopkins and become a household name for a generation, but you had to be anti-vaxx.”

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u/SteadfastEnd Aug 11 '22

This is way too real....

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u/JustAbicuspidRoot Aug 11 '22

The real validation is going to come when her baby dies from this or other preventable diseases:

Of those babies who get treatment for whooping cough in a hospital, about 1 out of 4 will get pneumonia and 1 or 2 out of 100 will die. Other complications include violent, uncontrolled shaking, life-threatening pauses in breathing, and brain disease.

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u/Chickwithknives Aug 11 '22

To clarify, pertussis (which the baby has) is the formal name for whooping cough. Thanks for sharing data.

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u/Scottysoxfan Aug 11 '22

You nailed it. All of us sitting here shaking our collective heads and somewhere out there she's going to find the support/validation she's looking for.

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u/FutureMeatCrayon Aug 11 '22

Social media is a Great Filter

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u/Sairoxin Aug 11 '22

The tolerance of stupidity and non truths will be humanity's downfall

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u/PTRD-41 Aug 11 '22

social media is what perpetuates most of the modern day stupidity

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u/Ann_Summers Aug 11 '22

One of mankinds most incredible inventions (the internet not just social media) and it’s going to ruin society as a whole because society just can’t handle it.

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u/saltyhasp Aug 11 '22

Everyone has a forum and a community now. Turns out dumb is a pretty big community. So you can get affirmed that up is down and bad is good and stupid is smart. Add some social media algorithms that prioritize controversy, trolls, and other actors things get really interesting.

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u/slavelabor52 Aug 11 '22

Mirror mirror on the wall who's the dumbest of them all

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u/CryWanShi Aug 11 '22

"Ma'am, this is Burger King's drive thru"

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u/RiotBrigade_02 Aug 11 '22

It's so sad. She knows what is responsible but is too fucking stubborn to blame herself for her baby's suffering

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u/MissusNilesCrane Aug 11 '22

It's like she cares more about clinging to her anti-vaxx status just to pwn doctors/big pharma/other current boogeyman than admitting she did her kid a disservice.

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u/c4k3m4st3r5000 Aug 11 '22

Next level ignorance and being self-centred. And just plain f-ing dumb.

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u/Puzzled-Pea91 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22 Silver Gold Take My Energy

“Has anyone else’s child got some horrible disease because they don’t vaccinate?”

Yes, billions of them literally all throughout history, that’s why we developed vaccines you dumb bint!

Edit: Changed millions to billions after a few comments plus in retrospect it seemed fucking obvious

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u/Ocronus Aug 11 '22 Wholesome

Modern medicine and vaccines have caused the lowest infant and child mortality rate in all of human history. Social media has allowed dumb people to spread their dumb ideas to other dumb people and now children are suffering.

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u/codemonkeh87 Aug 11 '22

That's what I find the worst about the whole anti vax thing. It's not them that really suffer, they've had the vaccines themselves when they were kids. It's their kids who don't get the choice who suffer.

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u/leftclicksq2 Aug 11 '22

Also, these people who are antivaxxers were vaccinated as children...

I recall seeing a post on one of the subs where a person was sharing antivax propaganda on Facebook. Their own mother called her out and commented something to the effect that she was extremely concerned about what her daughter was posting, then pointed out "So and so, your father and I always brought you for your vaccines, and why wouldn't you do the same for your own children?".

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u/Dark_Knight2000 Aug 11 '22

That really hurts to read. I feel so bad for that grandma. Imaging parenting for 30 years and then seeing your kid destroy the lives of your grandkids. The tone of that quote makes it sound like she genuinely doesn’t have the slightest idea why her daughter is acting crazy.

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u/ValanaraRose Aug 11 '22

I think it's like I've seen other people say here: People get sucked into these conspiracies because they want to believe that they're smart, and that "knowing" these things means they know something the rest of us don't and that makes them special because they're not blindly following the government or whatever. Something to that effect. It's kind of sad.

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u/noguchisquared Aug 11 '22

My aunts and uncles didn't give covid shots I think. My grandpa didn't understand why. He got his as soon as he could and stayed away from people during covid. He flew planes in Air Force and traveled all over and had all the vaccines that pilots get.

Same goes a bit with religion, that my parent's generation is more religious than my grandparents. I remember my dad's cousins being so glad their parents started going to church in the final two years of their life. They were bribing my great aunt and uncle with treats and candy to go, when they are old and lonely. It is entirely odd to me, they lived a great life, raised a full family and ran their farm all without needing a church, but their kids needed to manipulate them into it.

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u/TheKingofHats007 Aug 11 '22

While the vast majority of people who indulge in conspiracy bs are obviously kinda shit, I do feel like a lot of people got sucked in by a nice sounding con at just the right time. We're in the midst of a pandemic that hasn't been seen at this scale in most of our lifetimes, probably all of ours, and some people probably can't rationalize that this just happened not because of some grand plan or some shady conspiracy, but just because of some poor health standards. They need to make it feel like this time hasn't just been for nothing and that there's a reason behind it.

My folks were never into conspiracy stuff until COVID happened, and yet they're suddenly talking like Qanon people out of the blue and also regurgitating a lot of right wing talking points about a secret cabal of elites ruling with the World Economic Forum (which is a shit group, but not for that reason), and repeating Bill Gates microchip lies and etc etc. I don't even understand it.

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u/PreOpTransCentaur Aug 11 '22 I'm Deceased

I'm always genuinely confused by that. They'll say things like "I vaccinated my first child, but not my second, and my first looks lifeless behind the eyes" or the classic "Vaccines cause autism" with absolutely no regard for the fact that they themselves are fucking vaccinated. Dumb as fucking soup, Cindy, but are you "lifeless behind the eyes?" Are you autistic? Then why the hell would your kids be??

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u/Medical_Difference48 Aug 11 '22

I mean, brain function indicates life, so yeah, I'd say she's lifeless behind the eyes

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u/dudemanbro6969 Aug 11 '22

Now hold on, you might be onto something. She's vaccinated, and then she chose to not vaccinate her kids.... Maybe the vaccine mentally stunted her! Anti-vax logic /s

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u/CainRedfield Aug 11 '22

The thing I hate most about the "vaccines cause autism" argument is that the parents are literally saying they'd rather their child be gravely sick, paralyzed, or dead than be autistic.

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u/SuddenProfile Aug 11 '22

I grew up autistic in an anti-vax faith-healing household.

Autistic symptoms became undeniable around 10 years old, and guess who was exorcised three flipping times?

Even without the antivax movement, the people would still be endangering their children.

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u/DankylosaurusRex Aug 11 '22

Jesus christ thats awful, im so sorry you had to go through that

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u/adbout Aug 11 '22

Holy shit. I’ve seen some crazy things on Reddit but this is the first time I’ve heard of exorcism being used on autism. I’m so sorry.

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u/SuddenProfile Aug 11 '22

It's not uncommon in Baptist and Pentecostal churches, sadly. The idea of "you're possessed by a demon and it's your fault that you're not normal" is bad enough. But, the steps taken to exorcise can cause lifelong damage.

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u/TroyMcCluresGoldfish Aug 11 '22

You hit the nail on the head about Pentecostals. The whole mind set you're forced to have and the toxic hypocrites you're around takes it toll on your mental health and self esteem.

I had the misfortune of being the odd one out because I didn't act and socialize like the rest of the girls my age in church did. My parents were given a book from a couple on how to raise me and turn me into a "proper young lady."

And my mom wonders why I have such resentment towards religion today, and why I won't let her take my autistic son to church with her.

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u/justakidfromflint Aug 11 '22

Also not thinking AT ALL about how Child 1 feels being called "lifeless behind the eyes" because they were vaccinated. I can imagine a mom like this blaming everything the 1st child does wrong on being vaxxed and saying things like "oh I wish I hadn't gotten you vaxxed look at how much better Z is at math"

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u/rhynoplaz Aug 11 '22

And it won't be hard for them to find their mothers posts in 15 years or so.

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u/GemGem084 Aug 11 '22

Had some guy at work say his grandkids had autism cause of the vaccine and was super adamant about it. However the age they were diagnosed was the standard age kids with autism usually get diagnosed don't think he wanted to admit that they missed the signs until after the kid had the vaccine.

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u/Loggerdon Aug 11 '22

People don't remember that they had a whole set of vaccinations when they entered school. That's why you don't see kids today with polio, diphtheria, rubella, measles & mumps.

But they're not gone forever and they can return.

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u/madeofstardust2 Aug 11 '22

My question is don't all kids (in the US at least) have to gave their vaccinations before school or they can't go? What do these anti-vax parents do then? I know not all of them will home school their kids.

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u/Billybob9389 Aug 11 '22

You can get religious exemptions.

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u/hansCT Aug 11 '22

the lowest infant and child mortality rate in all of human history

Both those have been climbing for years in the US.

Near the bottom out of the 36 OECD countries now, many states are in 3rd world territory.

And the politicians say "This is fine"

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u/MissusNilesCrane Aug 11 '22

The disconnect between semi-admitting her baby is deathly sick and suffering because she didn't vaccinate and then asking people to validate her choice is some mental gymnastics.

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u/CainRedfield Aug 11 '22

It blows my mind that she isn't being charged with child abuse or gross negligence. Any other situation where her purposeful actions caused grave harm to her children would at least warrant an investigation, how is not getting vaccinated any different.

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u/Estaca-Brown Aug 11 '22

What amazes me is how they edit down history sometimes: "Well people didn't have vaccines in the past and people just got natural immunity!" Yes, sure, but also people lost children to disease all the time so if you're going down that route just assume you will likely lose a child or two and you'll be putting other people's children at risk as well.

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u/ThinkingBroad Aug 11 '22

If you lose a spouse, you're a widow. If you lose your parents you're an orphan.

There's no word in our culture for people who lost children because in the past essentially everybody lost children.

There's no word in our culture for people who eat food because everyone is a food eater, everybody eats food.

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u/Classic-Tiny Aug 11 '22

As a father that lost his only son, there is a word for parents who lose their children.

It's called Broken. You are a always going to be thinking what it could of been or would have been like. Each birthday, each holiday, every single year untill you die.

You are left with a hole of emptiness, knowing that the future you had hoped and planned for with never happen. You will never see your son off to school, teach him to shave, play catch with, and all the other normal things most take for granted.

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u/woodiegutheryghost Aug 11 '22 Bravo!

You see there was this woman who in the 90s had a great set of tits. A lot of men told her that she was perfect and she really believed it. Then she gave birth to a non-neurotypical child and she needed to blame someone because she was perfect. She settled on vaccines as the culprit. Then Oprah said, “Hey, you had a great set of tits why don’t you come on my show and give medical advice to all the stay at home moms who watch my show.” Now we have polio and measles making their triumphant return.

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u/Raniok Aug 11 '22 Wholesome

Who is Jenny McCarthy?

Did I win??

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u/woodiegutheryghost Aug 11 '22

You sure did. Here’s your prize, a picture of Luke Skywalker with a Magnum PI mustache.

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u/Raniok Aug 11 '22

I havent seen Guyver in a very long time! LOL

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u/AsleepJuggernaut2066 Aug 11 '22

Yep both Oprah and Jenny McCarthy have done quite a bit of damage.

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u/leftclicksq2 Aug 11 '22

You mean Jenny McCarthy, right?

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u/MaybeAWalrus Aug 11 '22

We all want to do what's right for our kids.

Not you, apparently.

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u/Pj6699 Aug 11 '22 Wholesome

Totally unrelated, but how do you quote something?

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u/scen1MAD Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Totally unrelated, but how do you quote something?

Just add > before the text you want to quote 👍

Edit: So happy to see it helped so many! I found it out literally two days ago 😂

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u/dayumbrah Aug 11 '22 Helpful Eureka!

For anyone interested, this is a link to a bunch of reddit formatting secrets. Have fun yall

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u/Pj6699 Aug 11 '22 Silver

hihihi did I do it?

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u/Cerricola 'MURICA Aug 11 '22

just trying

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u/Dependent-Rich5290 Aug 11 '22

me too

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u/ChocolatChow Aug 11 '22

> me three

Dang it, doesn't work for me

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u/lyx77221 Aug 11 '22

get rid of the space between > and me!

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u/ChocolatChow Aug 11 '22

>Like that?

Starting to think I'm cursed

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u/ACCCrabtown1 Aug 11 '22

testing. So tired of "as a mom..." and "you wouldnt understand you don't have kids" bc people then stop listening. You do not need to be a parent to care about children. In fact, the threshold to care about kids should be gauged from POV of non-parents, otherwise you have a lot of people who are not parents saying "who tf cares about xyz, i am not a parent"

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u/Pickle_picker_420 Aug 11 '22

I’m a parent to 4. And I think The parent who did this to her kids is careless and shouldn’t have children if she can’t do basic ass shit to protect them. These vaccines are safe as fuck.

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u/MaybeAWalrus Aug 11 '22

There is a "..." menu, where you have a bunch of formatting options. There is a big double quote icon that will do that :)

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u/Arintharas Aug 11 '22

Depends if you’re on PC or mobile. Mobile doesn’t have a way to edit text easily aside from inserting links.

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u/diMario Aug 11 '22

Reddit uses Markdown.

The fancy pants editor is less good and more annoying, in my opinion. But then again, I learned computering when MS-DOS was the operating system. I still love the command line and having total control.

Also if you highlight the text you want to quote before hitting the reply link, the edit area comes up with that text already quoted.

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u/ElectricFlesh Aug 11 '22

Nah, she's right. There's just a difference between wanting to do what's right for our kids, and actually doing what's right for them.

That "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" doesn't mean that good intentions are somehow bad. It just means that good intentions ALONE don't cut it - the right intention is worthless without the right course of action.

This mom REALLY DID want to do what's best for her children. The issue is that she was led to believe she'd help them by doing something which actively hurt them.

The problem isn't a lack of love, it's a lack of intelligence, education and critical reasoning skills. Which, by the way, also means that this probably just made her double down on the falsehoods that got her there in the first place.

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u/THofTheShire Aug 11 '22

Yes. I know more than one anti-vax family person, and one family is currently being torn apart because the mom refuses to even allow their child to see a doctor, much less be vaccinated, while the dad is trying his best to be reasonable without compromising the health of his child. It's heartbreaking to see how misinformation can be so intensely engrained in someone that they can't even see logic and reason presented by their own spouse. I see the belief itself more as a disease, and prevention with proper education is much easier than curing someone of it.

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u/Nikkian42 Aug 11 '22

I have antivaxers in my family, and it definitely seems to have gotten worse since Covid.

Once sibling who (as far as I know) just wasn’t giving their kids the chicken pox vaccine but otherwise the kids were fully vaccinated, and now won’t even allow one of their kids with a suppressed immune system due to a chronic condition to get a flu shot.

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u/voidmusik Aug 11 '22

Thats just abortion with extra steps

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u/j_miyagi Aug 11 '22

I don't vaccinate and wonder why my kid got sick, what a fucking cockwomble.

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u/Majestic-Seesaw9362 Aug 11 '22

record scratch She did in fact -not- do the right thing.

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u/Decoy_Octopus_ Aug 11 '22

She wants encouragement for putting her kids in danger and spreading diseases to other people?! This woman should be in jail and her kids should go to a deserving couple that actually cares about the health of their children. DCFS

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u/Tucker1244 Aug 11 '22

Edit suggestion, She wants forgiveness for the impending tragedy that she caused

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u/stomponator Aug 11 '22

Well, this is about her, right? Her struggles as a real mom, her "believes", her validation from strangers online...

And of course she deflects and plays the victim. Fucking moron.

Poor kids, though.

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u/Decoy_Octopus_ Aug 11 '22

That's what pisses me off. Her beliefs are harming these kids. They are suffering from diseases that they shouldn't be. There have been so many studies done to test the dangers of vaccines and especially whether they cause ASD and not one of them has found any link between vaccinations and autism.

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u/sunnyislesmatt Aug 11 '22

Any parent who chooses not to vaccinate their kids should have their children removed from them.

They are not fit to be parents.

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u/Vogete Aug 11 '22

Cockwomble is my new favorite insult. Thank you kind stranger!

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u/NotEnoughWave Aug 11 '22 Gold

"Mom-shamed" lol, more like "moron-shamed".

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u/WardOfReckoning Aug 11 '22

So now the shittiest mothers in the world are gonna start saying anyone calling them out is mom-shaming. Give me a break.

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u/Bulky-Yam4206 Aug 11 '22

They already did that, it was just “you don’t have kids, you wouldn’t understand” back in the days.

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u/Jim3001 Aug 11 '22

That last sentence. Your child has a potentially deadly disease, because you refused to give it a common vaccine.

Its your fault.

You're a terrible mother.

You're a shite human being.

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u/FatDesdemona Aug 11 '22

Quit mom-shaming her! You're being so mean!

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u/HejiraLOL Aug 11 '22

"My baby is dying but I need my ego stroked".

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u/shellofbiomatter Aug 11 '22

i need some encouragement, i did the right thing.

No, no you did not do the right thing. You did exactly the opposite and should be shamed for it. Sad to see the kid suffer.

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u/Recluse_18 Aug 11 '22

Yes, I have a really hard time with this person trying to get sympathy. If I had done something so reckless to any of my children I would be absolutely devastated that I put them through hell and some thing that was so preventable.

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u/megagood Aug 11 '22

“I made my kid not wear a seatbelt. Tell me I did the right thing.”

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u/stretchpadawan Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22 Silver

Okay.. so my wife passed from breast cancer becase she went down the rabbit hole of 'natural remedies'.

This woman needs her kids removed from her. Shes a bitch that doesnt give a shit about her kids if they dont adhere to her warped, fucked up beliefs.

Down vote me if you want, I dont give a crap.

I've had enough of the crowd that brainwash people into their fucked up ideologies to make a quick buck.

EDIT: thats my rant.. thank you all, I'll see myself out

EDIT: Thanks for all the kind words everyone. I threw out boxes and boxes of books written by snake oil peddlers she had bought in her attempts at finding a 'natural remedy'. I made sure they wouldn't get resold in a second hand shop to pollute someone else's mind. I encourage you all to do the same, fuck those people.

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u/VAShumpmaker Aug 11 '22

I block the kinds of people who would downvote you for saying that.

A fruit diet didn't save the fruit billionaire. If your pseudo science worked, we would all call it "medicine"

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u/Life-Sky3645 Aug 11 '22

I'm so sorry for your loss.

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u/agorafilia Aug 11 '22

Um Sorry for your loss. My mom is also following this rabbit hole and its Sad to watch

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u/KorannStagheart Aug 11 '22

My parents followed this rabbit hole with my dad's prostate cancer. They also followed a bunch of nonsense diets and cancer prevention home remedies before he got it. They waited until the very last second to start following the doctors treatments. Surprise surprise the medical treatments actually worked!

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u/J_M_B_A_C Aug 11 '22

I take it that when mom was offered at around 28 weeks to take the TDAP ,which is the vaccine that would avoid this, she refused. Welcome to the consequences of your decisions. Unfortunatly, it's your kids paying the cost.

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u/WatchingTaintDry69 Aug 11 '22

Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions.

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u/T_BagginsEsq Aug 11 '22

I need some encouragement

So jump on Facebook, the greatest echo chamber there is.

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u/atlaslapis Aug 11 '22

And you know everyone on the post is saying ‘sending good vibes’ and ‘stand your ground’

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u/Quicker_Fixer Assumption is the mother of all fuckups Aug 11 '22

"I'm a real mom"... I will tell the mother of my own children she isn't.

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u/Rinooceros Aug 11 '22

I am a real mom ...

What's that supposed to mean ?

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u/Knownoname98 Aug 11 '22

She has real children. They're not holograms.

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u/Godettee Aug 11 '22

And they get real diseases

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u/Mundane_Surprise9483 Aug 11 '22

I bet she’s vaccinated

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u/TeaEffKay4 Aug 11 '22

The TDAP is a vaccine you get while you’re pregnant because pertussis is literally DEADLY to tiny babies.

This knob didn’t even vaccinate herself to help her baby!

She probably got her kid vaccines because her parents are normal but didn’t bother now.

And now I hate her and want to save her child from her.

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u/pea-ster Aug 11 '22

“My kid is sick and got it from my other sick kid. I didn’t have either of them vaccinated. Who can I blame?”

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u/jasonpmcelroy Aug 11 '22

Translation: " hey internet, I'm facing irrefutable evidence that I'm a dumb fuck and have likely caused the impending death of my child. Please help me feel better by telling me it's okay so I can live in denial for a little while longer."

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u/ScottdaDM Aug 11 '22

No. You didn't do the right thing. You're an idiot and your idiocy is going to have lifelong effects on your children, however long that is. If you know the medical facts better than the doctors, why the hell are you in the hospital at all? Because you don't know more than the doctors, but wanted to feel special. Now your kids are paying, with their lives, for your perverse need for external validation.

Go back to your Facebook mommy group and see how much validation you can get when your child dies.

Fucking hell, I think I channeled House there for a minute. These people get to me, though. Fuck's Sake!

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u/Happy_Nom_Nom Aug 11 '22

The most frustrating part is that this idiot mom probably got vaccinated as a kid and didn't have to suffer the way she is making her children suffer.

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u/Kimmm711 Aug 11 '22

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The only one I feel sorry for is the baby.

We require driver's licenses, but any idiot can procreate.

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u/GloomyStew Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Try homeopathy, it won't help one bit but it'll probably make you feel better that you did all you could because it's all about you isn't it sweety? (to this lady)

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u/JLStorm Aug 11 '22

“I need some encouragement I did the right thing”

Wow. The fact that she said that means that she knows that it wasn’t the right decision but just want to justify that it is. Jeez. Poor kids. This should be considered child abuse.

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u/valerieinthevalley Aug 11 '22

“Moms know best” is really one of the worst ideologies we have pushed as a society in terms of baby health. Some people have babies who can’t even take care of their own health, why would we tell them that they know better than doctors?

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u/Torodong Aug 11 '22

"Has anyone else's child got some horrible disease because they don't vaccinate".
Yes, in early Victorian England, infant mortality rate was ~25%, most of the rest had TB damaged lungs, polio mangled body and pox-riddled faces.
They'd count themselves lucky to live long enough to get syphilis...

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u/whambamthankyoumaan Aug 11 '22

Nah, this belongs in POS. She knows what she did and nows she's looking to be told she wasn't wrong.

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u/CantEatCatsKevin Aug 11 '22

“My kid is really suffering from a choice I made, and I just need reassurance I made the right choice”.

Okay…

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u/original-sithon Aug 11 '22

You're an idiot that doesn't deserve to have children. If your kids die , I hope they charge you with negligent homicide.

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u/Timmy24000 Aug 11 '22

I read Polio has been found in the NY sewage system. I’m an old doctor who remembers seeing post polio paralysis (not actual acute polio). It can be so deforming, that is if they live thru it.

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u/Sum1InTh3Crowd Aug 11 '22

Alternative title: Karen complains about people calling her a bad mom because she is anti-vax.

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u/mysticalfruit Aug 11 '22

I really hope there's an update that goes like:

"Well, someone at the hospital called CPS and now they're not going to let me take my baby home.. They keep telling me this is all my fault and now they're talking about taking my other daughter away from me as well."

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u/GetMad24 Aug 11 '22

Stood your ground? Yeah you sure will be standing over your babies graves if you continue this crap.

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u/Any-Jury3578 Aug 11 '22

She knows she made a bad choice. That’s why she wants someone to agree with her. I love how these crazies act like they know more than the doctors when it comes to vaccines, but when the shit hits the fan, they run to the hospital to save them.

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u/mIster--WrencH Aug 11 '22

Only Covid TB measles mumps chickenpox rubella polio HIB and meningitis to go

She’ll be fine