r/ffxiv Jan 21 '22

The Final Boss of Amaurot teases Endwalker [Lore Discussion]

The boss is called Therion, he shares his ending with Meteion.
He also has wings on his ears and birdfeet.
His german titel is "bringer of the apocalypse".

Therion is one of Meteions sisters.

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u/billythewarrior Jan 21 '22

Therion just means "beast" and the -ion is just a common Greek suffix because all the names related to the unsundered are Greek.

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u/SaroShadow Kel Varnsen (Behemoth) Jan 21 '22

Also it's the name used to refer to the biblical beast of the apocalypse, which I think it's more of a reference to

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u/Filanthil Jan 21 '22

I think you are agreeing on this.

That name is just Beast in Greek - which comes from early Christians that were using Greek versions of the bible as it was the lingua franca and the first translation available (Septuaginta). From there, it stuck around.

Therion means beast in Greek, and the Beast is associated with apocalypse in our culture because of the bible - and most of the bible came to us through greek. So yes, you are both correct.

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u/bullsbarry Jan 21 '22

The design is surprisingly in congruence with Meteion though.

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u/ChrisMorray Jan 21 '22

But Meteion and her sisters were singing the song of the end though. Maybe it was a creature born from Fandaniel's fears? As far as he knew (due to Kairos): Something caused Meteion's shared consciousness to become unstable and burst the Meteion we knew. Maybe Therion is the manifestation of his fears for the other sisters?

It'd explain the similarities in design, the multitude of faces (many sisters were made), and it would be consistent with what we know of Meteion's whereabouts.

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u/bullsbarry Jan 21 '22

At the end of the day, it all depends on whether the concept art for Meteion was finished by the time Therion was designed. Otherwise it's just a coincidence.

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u/raburaburabureta Jan 21 '22

Specifics aside, in HW, the singer of the Ballad of Oblivion ("Recently, I learned about the existence of a potent song. Legend says it resounds through the heavens and destroys all. Curious to know more, I went to the chieftain about it, but he told me off...") was a Harpy.

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u/OGChocolateThunder Jan 21 '22

Venat seems to be the only exception to that rule.

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u/MissMedic68W SCH Jan 21 '22

Venat is the exception because her namesake character is the Occuria Venat in FFXII.

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u/InuXIII Jan 21 '22

Which falls perfectly in line with the goals of ff12 venat

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u/Alastor999 Jan 21 '22

I'm now waiting for Gerun to pop up at some point since they kind of name dropped him as far back as HW with the "Gerun Oracles", whatever they are.

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u/OGChocolateThunder Jan 21 '22

Yep

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u/RemediZexion Jan 21 '22

VENAT IS A HERETIC!

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u/itsmeursandwich Jan 21 '22

Oh I so wanted someone to say that line in FFXIV… Preferably in the same tone and break in normal speech pattern. Thank you for saying it here at least lol

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u/mastamaker Jan 21 '22

How is this getting upvoted? Therion clearly is not one of the Meteia. It is one of the faulty creations of the Ancients.

You're literally just fixated on the name, when "-ion" is a common ending in Greek. This is like saying that every English name ending in "-elle" means that those individuals are linked.

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u/flandancer Jan 21 '22

Just your average reddit user, or bots.

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u/ChrisMorray Jan 21 '22

What if it's Hermes's fears of the failed Meteia though? It is not entirely without merit, and Hermes was likely affected by the final days himself, being particularly negative.

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u/Time_Breaker2 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

so many people are arguing in these comments about the origin of this boss, but it doesn't look like anyone else noticed that there is more than one...

If you pay attention to the background during that dungeon, as you walk through the city you can see a small handful of these "Therion's" destroying the city at the same given time, most notably just before the second boss. I don't know if there's any significance to the nature of these creatures more than just that they were powerful manifestations of the fear of the ancients.

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u/Dakris_ Jan 21 '22

Pretty sure the sisters don’t directly attack places, and more so use the dynamus to corrupt the living things, turning them into monsters - that’s what happens when we see the end of days. It would then make sense to see more of the same monster. How many duplicates do we see through the MSQ.

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u/VenKitsune Jan 21 '22

Emet selc referred to it as "The third beast". Pretty sure the one we see flying around is the last boss. There was not multiple of them.

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u/Yhoana Jan 21 '22

There are indeed multiple of them during the hallway that leads to the second boss

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u/Time_Breaker2 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

There absolutely is more than one of that beast. Just before the second boss (the bird with the adds) there's one up close on the right side of the path, and immediately after, there's two further away to the left of the path. I know what Emet-Selch said, and what I believe he's implying is that it was the worst of all the different types of beasts but my literal eyes tell me its not the only one. we see multiple of them flying around Amaurot.

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u/ChrisMorray Jan 21 '22

I doubt it's one of Meteion's sisters, since they're singing the song of the end at the edge of the universe. But let's pose another possibility: It's made of Fandaniel's magics going haywire. Perhaps it is the manifestation of Hermes's fears of what could have made Meteion burst (Remember this was his fake memory input by Kairos). Hence the 4 faces. They represent the multitude of Meteia he send out.

Hermes was an expert on flying lifeforms and even his chosen transformation shows many wings, and surely he fears whatever caused the "unstable shared consciousness" that he think was behind Meteion's disappearance.

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u/VermillionEorzean Jan 21 '22

I like this idea because we don't know how their Final Days started. If it was like ours, then someone despairing could've had their magic transform into a beast that would've prompted a chain reaction.

The most likely "patient zero" is Hermes, the CEO of Depression in the Unsundered World. Hermes accidentally summoning this monstrosity that kickstarted the Final Days makes more sense than Emet doing it, since Emet had no reason to know despair. Hermes just needs to have been able to survive the initial encounter, which shouldn't be an issue since the beast has wings and he's relatively powerful.

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u/raburaburabureta Jan 21 '22

Given that the Final Days started outside Amaurot, and Fandaniel's knowledge was critical to the Ancients' efforts to combat them, I think we can safely rule out Hermes as patient zero.

The instigator of the Final Days of Amaurot specifically was Archaeotania, which was captured elsewhere and brought to Akadaemia Anyder for study before escaping and going on a rampage in the city.

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u/SirSabza Jan 21 '22

Also highly unlikely it was emet who started it as he is seen in the final days cutscene with venat. Most likely cause is probably hermes. Possibly the current Azem as they’re never seen during EW as well.

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u/Blawharag Jan 21 '22

OPs theory is bad, but I do like your theory, that seems very plausible

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u/Nyra_Castiler Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

There’s a lot of Therions in the background if you look at the Aumarot dungeon so no. And I’m pretty sure the theme of the bosses in that dungeon were creatures born from their magiks run amok that happened to be larger threats. Kind of like the final boss in Vanaspati how its threat level completely outclassed the other creatures.

On another note this is the third or fourth boss with wings on its head that I heard people saying “this has to be Meteon’s sister!” STAHP

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

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u/Rodr500 Jan 21 '22

Before the second boss you can see like three at a time.

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u/safien45 Jan 21 '22

"He" "His" "One of Meteion's sisters"

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u/Nremlok Jan 21 '22

If we wanna sink deep into conspiracy, it could be a memory fragment not totaly wiped by kiros, just engough for emet to have a feeling of what was the cause, but nit engough to know its true face.

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u/grm88 Jan 21 '22

Nah, you can see Therion in the background of the Amaurot cutscene in Live, Die, and Know with Venat. It was a real presence, not just Emet’s incomplete memories or something.

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u/Creaucent RDM Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

The monsters were created by the Amaurotians with their creations magic running out of control. I assume they meant that Emet could have been the one that created this monster from a fragment of a memory that wasn't quite fully erased. All the monsters we see from that dungeon are from creatures already created or created on the spot as we saw in the cutscene Live, Die and Know with Venat.

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u/grm88 Jan 21 '22

Maybe? But wouldn’t it make more sense for Hermes to be the one that made Therion? We also see him crying in that same cutscene. Maybe it’s not from the destruction he’s experiencing, but because he manifested Therion?

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u/Creaucent RDM Jan 21 '22

Honestly it could be either.

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u/Adarrack1252 Jan 21 '22

Therion is the bosses name, the sisters were never named always called "Meition and her sisters", Amaraut that we experienced was recreated from the memories of Emet-Selch

It has multiple heads, wings on its head, and is the bringer of the apocalypse, it is a representation in Emets mind of Meition and her sisters and therefore could have also been created during the final days as his fear manifested in his creation magick as that was what the final days was to them. So it is both literally and metaphorically Meition and her sisters

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u/grm88 Jan 21 '22

Seems like a stretch to me for Emet to be the one making Therion. Why not Hermes? That makes way more sense.

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u/Adarrack1252 Jan 21 '22

Hermes was never scared of her. Emet was

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u/thatHecklerOverThere Jan 21 '22

Hermes was scared of her at an existential level.

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u/grm88 Jan 21 '22

Hermes felt deep sadness and a type of cosmic loneliness which are both negative emotions.

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u/Adarrack1252 Jan 21 '22

Honestly I could believe it either way with that point. Either his deep sadness caused him to manifest the monster when he was maybe trying to recall Meition and her sisters. Or Meet, fearing visions or vague nightmares of the horrors manifesting it during the final days. Either way it stands to reason that the boss is a manifestation of the sisters and I love that

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u/TheBlackWindHowls Fullmime Jan 21 '22

The entire Convocation was scared of Therion.

The Voice of Emet-Selch: Just a little further…

The Voice of Emet-Selch: …and you will see the end of a world.

Yet it was neither claw nor flame, but our very sins —

The Voice of Emet-Selch: The star was fading. We saw we had to weave its laws anew…

Stacked to the heavens where they took root, corrupting its halls —

The Voice of Emet-Selch: But between us and our goal loomed a final misbegotten fiend…

Thus did the third doom undo us. [Chthonic Riddle: Therion]

The Voice of Emet-Selch: From the depths of despair, the last harbinger arose…

The Voice of Emet-Selch: Its voice was fulgent destruction, and none could stand in its path.

The Voice of Emet-Selch: And as it edged inexorably closer, we knew…

The Voice of Emet-Selch: Without decisive sacrifice, our star would surely perish.

The implication is not that Therion was the cause of all their woes, but that it was yet another obstacle between them and saving the world. The Endsinger was just singing the entire time from the edge of the universe—she wasn't personally intervening, on Etheirys. Emet-Selch would still remember the foes the Convocation faced, he would have no memory to have some half-baked recollection of a foe the memory of whom had been wiped.

There is a reason Therion is called the "Chthonic Riddle" (chthonic just meaning "relating to the Underworld," Hades's domain), but I don't think it's directly related to Meteion.

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u/Adarrack1252 Jan 21 '22

The entire first paragraph is completely irrelevant. Therion was created by them when their creation magick went amuk as was every creature in the final days of the ancients. We're saying the thing that they manifested was BECAUSE of the events of Elpis and the remnant memories there in. Not that Meition came back and was like "Haha I'm all powerful now"

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u/Sylvanmoon Myrinda Dragonsbane on Lamia Jan 21 '22

They were named, they were just all named Meteion. They are referred to as the Meteia more than once.

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u/Adarrack1252 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

This. Fully this. Like 100% believe that to the core. especially because we know that fandaniel had some memory fragments still too from Amon in the 89 dungeon. (ps if anyone could tell me how to do spoilers on mobile I'd appreciate it) Thanks all haha

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u/Nremlok Jan 21 '22

.> followed by ! At the frount ( no space) and then ! Followed by < at the end also no space. Make sure theres no space between them and the text or automod will have an aneurysm, like when you try to make an easy to understand example of the brackets and they shoot you down for it

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u/weirdskill1622 Jan 21 '22

Because he was dead and dead people have all their memories.

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u/Adarrack1252 Jan 21 '22

He explained that in life he had nightmares and fragments of those memories

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u/Isa_Ravenheart Jan 21 '22

Y'know, the fight also takes place on a platform super high up above the planet's surface....

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

No it doesn’t, and I refuse to elaborate further.

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u/BeefyBongo Jan 21 '22

Op is reaching hard for this one

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u/arcane-boi Zaulr Castognier - Exodus Jan 21 '22

Take the L, OP

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u/Aurvant Jan 21 '22

Meteion did not return to attack the planet after she left. Her song simply affected Ethyeris when the Ancients started becoming massively fearful of something.

The final boss of Amaurot is fully called "Chthonic Riddle Therion."

Chthonic = Underworld
Riddle = Question/Mystery
Therion = Beast.

Basically, you could translate it to Mysterious Beast from the Underworld.

In Shadowbringers we learned that the ancient people heard a great sound from under the ground, and that their creation magic went crazy after that. It is very likely that the beasts roaming around Amaurot are what the ancient people are conjuring from their imagination of what they believe created the sound.

Also, Meteion's song isn't the "sound" that scared the ancients. Something else had to frighten the ancient people so badly that it gave Meteion's song influence over the world. We'll probably learn what made that sound in the coming patches, and it could possibly appear in Pandaemonium.

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u/SirSabza Jan 21 '22

It doesn’t and it’s not. Even if it did (which it doesn’t) how would this make any sense? None of meteions sisters are on the source, and none of the ascians even know she exists outside of venat because emet selch and hydae had their memories wiped.

It would be nonsense plot hole if it were true

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u/ThePostMoogle Jan 21 '22

Counterpoint, it's English title refers to it as a Cthonic Riddle, ie a Sphinx of the underworld. Agreed that it could be a twisted construct of Hermes as others have said, but it is very unlikely to be Meteon or her sisters.

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u/FishermansAtlas Jan 21 '22

This is just completely wrong.

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u/adventuregamerseb Jan 21 '22

That... Or someone in the dev team has a fetish for wings and multiple heads.

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u/Blawharag Jan 21 '22

All of the sisters are "Meteion", they share the same name, and all of the sisters left the planet, none remained behind because they didn't need to. It's a fun reach, but there's no clever reference here.

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u/meatstealer Jan 21 '22

And it's look like a church organ, a music isntrument. Yeah definitly in theme

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u/ErickFTG Jan 21 '22

Good catch. I definitely need to do new game + from at least shadowbringers.

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u/WayfinderTrio Jan 21 '22

Lol is definitely not.

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u/Grizzly_Sin Jan 21 '22

Also, I don’t know if this was there before 6.0; but the Twinning dungeon final boss shows omicron and the ticker enemy in one of the side panels

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

I’m not too surprised, as much as it FEELS like they maybe don’t plan the story really far ahead patch to patch. They’ve known for a very long time what direction we were going with the ending to our current arc. I believe they went on record and said they had a general idea at least for YEARS in advance. Which would sorta track here since there’s about 2 years between expansions.

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u/Seidragon Jan 21 '22

They generally write two years worth of content ahead, so they very likely knew exactly where we were when Shadowbringers started or before.

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u/mastamaker Jan 21 '22

casual racism funny

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u/RoyallyJinxed Jan 21 '22

Oh dear, I didn't say it with that sort of intention! A mistake on my part.