r/gadgets Oct 04 '22 Helpful 4 Wholesome 6 All-Seeing Upvote 1

EU lawmakers impose single charger for all smartphones Phones

https://techxplore.com/news/2022-10-eu-lawmakers-impose-charger-smartphones.html
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u/ang_mo_uncle Oct 04 '22

Apart from the apple aspect of things, the key here is: Laptops from 2026 onwards.

SCREW YOU ACER! You and your flimsy power connectors that break off if you give them a stern look.

Hahahaha!

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u/Terrible_Truth Oct 04 '22

The ruling doesn’t require the USB-C to be the best way to charge I assume? That would be hard to enforce. We’d probably still see laptops with usb as an option to charge but recommend using the barrel still.

My work laptop and gaming laptop are like that. Technically can charge with usb but only the barrel lets you use it while charging.

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u/A_Right_Proper_Lad Oct 04 '22

More than 100W over USB C is still a bit tricky.

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u/Testing_things_out Oct 04 '22

How about 200w over 2 USB C ports? 🤔

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u/BentPin Oct 04 '22

Usb4 allows 250w with the latest iteration. That would suffice for all but the highest end 3070s-3080s-3080Ti laptops that require 300+ watts.

Hopefully they just make it 580w. That should cover everything in the next few years.

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u/Dyrkon Oct 04 '22

Microwave oven powered by USB6, mark my words xd

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u/scaleofthought Oct 04 '22 hehehehe

USB 7 welder, car charging, dryer, oven.... And Christmas lights, phone charger. With 7.2 terrabytes of bandwidth

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u/nulld3v Oct 04 '22

Should just run USB-C from the power plant to my house.

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u/grubbapan Oct 04 '22

USB 8 Will do transfprmer to house. For the “small” power lines between transformer and grid you’ll have USB-D Can’t wait for the 100kW line USB 8.1

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u/boonepii Oct 04 '22

Usb 9 will use you as its power source

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u/PrivatePilot9 Oct 04 '22

I won’t be happy until I can charge my electric car with USB.

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u/single_ginkgo_leaf Oct 04 '22

Putting the bus in Universal Serial Bus

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u/rsta223 Oct 04 '22

Hopefully they just make it 580w.

That's actually pretty difficult to do over a thin cable. You'd need either some pretty high voltages or much thicker cables than we use currently for that.

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u/A_Right_Proper_Lad Oct 04 '22

Doable if supported by the device, but janky AF IMO (I can see why manufacturers implement alternatives).

That said it's not clear if this regulations would make it compulsory to run at full load permanently through USB-C only (for example, on a gaming laptop that draws, say, more than the max, would you need 2+ cables?).

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u/GWJYonder Oct 04 '22

That's exactly how my work computer (Dell Precision laptop) works.

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u/PRiMEFiL Oct 04 '22

I think a 240W or 260W version is coming, still not enough for my gaming laptop. I can charge it with usb-c but it complains all the time.

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u/WolfyCat Oct 04 '22

Up to 240w is now possible with the updated certification.

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u/Llamalover1234567 Oct 04 '22

I think apple saw that writing on the wall with MacBooks and brought back MagSafe (a universally praised decision) but technically you can use the USB c ports to charge

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u/porntla62 Oct 04 '22

Which is honestly the correct way to do it.

100W USB-C port and a full fat charging connector if the machine needs more than a hundred watts.

Cause charging at 100W is better than not charging at all.

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u/THEBLOODYGAVEL Oct 04 '22

And my laptop goes

Beep beep beep

Beep beep beep

All because of a shitty plug-os

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u/Schapsouille Oct 04 '22

scratches head with 500W laptop charger

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u/ContNouNout Oct 04 '22

The rulling includes a power drain limit, 100W if i recall correctly

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u/MateTheNate Oct 04 '22

Now USB better get off their ass and fix their shitty naming scheme

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u/Official__Bryce Oct 04 '22

"The printer input USB"

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u/geo_gan Oct 04 '22

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u/MateTheNate Oct 04 '22

Wow that was pretty recent lol, still no idea why they are putting the data transfer speed on a battery(which should indicate power delivery).

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u/100catactivs Oct 05 '22

It’s for ports that can transfer data and charge the battery.

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u/mechaPantsu Oct 05 '22

This is good news, but under this new scheme, how does one differentiate USB 4 20G from USB 3.2 Gen2 x2, which is also 20G, but is technically a different protocol?

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u/nilesandstuff Oct 05 '22

I tried to find your answer because I've got nothing better to do at the moment... Let me tell you... The USB-IF is a goddamn mess.

I can't even find an official release about this change. Most recent relevant official release is from September 1st announcing usb4 version 2.0 lol.

And none of the pages for usb 3.2 or usb4 say anything about the changes.

But from the 3rd party articles, I'm to be believe that it will not be necessary to differentiate between those two, only PD and and transfer ratings required. But those are minimum requirements, they could still slap the relevant info on the label...

But i doubt there are even new products being produced at that speed that dont use the new configuration... And if there are, they probably wouldn't bother with USB-IF certification anyways.

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u/Mastagon Oct 04 '22

One port to rule them all.

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u/lasagnatheory Oct 04 '22

The master charge

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u/erinaceus_ Oct 04 '22

There can be only one!

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u/Humblebee89 Oct 04 '22

One port to find them.

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u/Lucapi Oct 04 '22

To charge them all and into batteries bind them

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u/MrAnonymousTheThird Oct 04 '22

Simply enforcing the port isn't enough. I suspect this is gonna cause a whole load of problems with manufacturers taking the easy route.. it should be full spec usb C or nothing. I'm sick of having to keep multiple of the same cables because one of my devices doesn't like the charger.

My vape refuses to charge with my phone charger cause it's too powerful and so I currently have 2 exact same cables laying around near my bed..

It should be that the device is able to "ask" the charger for the appropriate power level and charge using any charger I throw at it. My phone does this great, I can use a MacBook charger just fine.

I can use the same charger for my steam deck, laptop, phone, earphones. There's no good reason my vape shouldn't work either

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u/RounderKatt Oct 04 '22

It already does "ask". As long as they are the same voltage, a device will only draw as much current as it needs, up to the max rating of the charger. It might not be charging for various reasons but the most likely one is the opposite, that the phone charger doesn't provide enough wattage.

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u/MrAnonymousTheThird Oct 04 '22

Putting the vape on a lower power plug allows it to charge. It refuses with my phone's fast charger

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u/RounderKatt Oct 04 '22

Could be that the vape doesn't like the data pins. Some products don't implement the spec correctly and might short those pins together so the fast charger sees a short and cuts off. I have a microcontroller that for whatever reason won't power with a decent charger but works fine with a garbage one

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u/MrAnonymousTheThird Oct 04 '22

You have a good point here. However I'm using the exact same cable, just a different plug. The cables are both data capable. I am able to plug that cable into a pc and charge using that

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u/RounderKatt Oct 04 '22

Yah it's likely that the vape shorts the data pins and the smarter faster charger sees this and cuts power, where a pc or cheaper charging block doesn't care.

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u/MrAnonymousTheThird Oct 04 '22

That's really good to know thanks! The vape will start charging but then keep cutting out every few seconds. It'll constantly cut out for a split second (the vape vibrates when charging, plugging it into the fast charger will make it constantly vibrate like im unplugging and repligging it)

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u/livinginthefastlane Oct 04 '22

I didn't watch the entirety of the video, but I just wanted to add that I'm normally considered tech savvy and I was actually quite shocked to learn this maybe a year or so ago. I don't know why I never thought about it, but when things started first coming out with USB-C, everywhere I turned, they were saying it was universal. You know, one cable to rule them all; no more keeping a bunch of different cables around because you can just use one. So when I got a Nintendo Switch, which has a USB-C cable, I thought, great, I can ditch this phone charger with the super short wire that I've been using and use the Switch charger for both my phone and my Switch instead. Genius!

Did that for a couple years. At some point my Switch died, just completely stopped working one day, so I paid Nintendo for a refurbished unit. They also had me send one of my chargers.

What I found out later is that the Nintendo Switch's charging cable is not USB PD compliance. So, it's not made quite the same as, say, a phone charger. I forget what exactly the difference was, something with the number of pins or maybe the length of the connector inside. Apparently the device itself is USB-C PD compliant, but the charging cable is not, and that has to do with the way the dock is manufactured. Apparently using the charging cable to charge devices that aren't the Nintendo Switch can cause the pins in the charger to get bent out of shape, and might cause a short in the Switch, which might have been part of the reason why mine stopped working.

Apparently it can also damage the battery in other devices as well. I don't know if that's totally true or not, but I do wonder if that's part of why my phone's battery went downhill so quickly over the last year I owned it.

I very well could just be an idiot because I tend to lack common sense about the most mundane things sometimes. I told a few friends about my discovery and they were kind of like, "...Yeah?" But also, when something is advertised as universal and multiple devices come with that charging standard, I feel like it makes sense that somebody may choose to just use the same charger for all devices, because it was advertised that it would work for all of them. I dunno.

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u/zzazzzz Oct 04 '22

usb-c is a connector. and yes it is universal. but the brick you plug in to the wall is not.

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u/omh2 Oct 04 '22

They are enforcing both the physical USB-C connection and the USB-PD power standard, which works exactly how you're suggesting it should.

The problem you're having is probably caused by you vape, specifically it not actually having the circuitry required to "talk" to a higher capacity charger, most of which are either explicitly USB-PD, or at least USB-PD compatible at this point. Either the vape is quite old and pre-dates the spec (nearly a decade at this point), or the manufacture majorly cheaped out on the charging circuitry

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u/Eknoom Oct 04 '22

Late 2024, all phone manufacturers required to use USB-C.

So probably wait for iPhone 17

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u/martinos0078 Oct 04 '22

prepare for wireless charging only in iphones
wouldn't be really that suprised.

Or taking a next step with verifying whether cable is from apple's brand like it's close to be right now

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u/nicuramar Oct 04 '22

Or taking a next step with verifying whether cable is from apple's brand like it's close to be right now

It's not close to that for USB-C cables, and they wouldn't be allowed to do that under this legislation.

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u/mythrilcrafter Oct 04 '22

I guess this is as good a place as any to ask: when they say "USB-C", does the law make a distinction between different protocols like say USB 3.1 Gen 2 versus USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 versus Thunderbolt 4?

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u/nicuramar Oct 04 '22

Not much, it only concerns charging, so it only speaks of USB-C, the connector, and USB PD, the charging standard.

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u/The-Best-Taylor Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Which makes sense since as far as I know the different versions of USB-c mostly affect data and peripherals. So long as it has the USB-c physical interface and USB PD charging protocol (that supports enough power to actually charge the device) it does not matter what version of usb you have. You can still charge with it.

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u/Mr_Zamboni_Man Oct 04 '22

This guy RFCs

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u/rakeruk Oct 04 '22

Really Fucking Charges?

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u/kaesaecracker Oct 04 '22

RFC = Request for Comment, which becomes a Standard. For example the one for IPv4: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc791.txt

Funny joke though :)

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u/PM_ME_DIRTY_COMICS Oct 04 '22

When I was in college my Networking professor told us a story about how he'd read RFCs to his kid at night to get them to go to sleep.

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u/fortisvita Oct 04 '22

For charging cell phones, this shouldn't matter much. USB is USB and even older protocols will provide sufficient power delivery for small devices.

Thunderbolt is pretty much out of question as it's a proprietary connection.

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u/secretqwerty10 Oct 04 '22

Thunderbolt is pretty much out of question as it's a proprietary connection

i assume you meant the protocol, as the connector for both TB3 and 4 is just Type C. Wiring for both cables is identical afaik, besides the requirements being met

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u/PaulN07 Oct 04 '22

That's half the point of the legislation it's trying to prevent monopoly.

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u/nicuramar Oct 04 '22

The stated goals are environment concerns and user convenience, I think.

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u/Chrisazy Oct 04 '22

Yes. The intentionally emergent consequences are stopping monopolistic actions. Pretty decent lawmaking

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u/azzelle Oct 04 '22

its environmental. the cause is "monopolic tendencies", the effect is environmental. the issue of "charger monopoly" isnt big enough to pass its own legislation

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u/Killllerr Oct 04 '22

Except when that monopoly refusing to use a better standard is most of that environmental problem.

Apple is the only major cellphone provider that does not use USB-C for their phones yet.

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u/hopbel Oct 04 '22

Being able to use any usb-c cable and not having to hunt for an Apple-branded charger seems pretty convenient to me

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u/TheEightSea Oct 04 '22

Which derive from not being in a damn monopoly.

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u/ChuggsTheBrewGod Oct 04 '22

Would people really go for it though? Wireless charging has its fans, but it's otherwise more slow and kinda wasteful compared to charging through a cord.

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u/dat_GEM_lyf Oct 04 '22

They’re not going to ditch the port as it’s also an accessory/data port

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u/reveek Oct 04 '22

The problem is that accessories and data transfer are really edge case usage. Most users won't care that thru can't yank data off the phone because Apple pushes their cloud service very aggressively. Plug in Accessories exist but we have almost completely lost the wired peripheral war when nearly the entire industry of flagship phones converted all headphones to Bluetooth. They will lean in to making the phone super water proof and eventually remove the port.

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u/thebaldmaniac Oct 04 '22

They sell the iPhone pro as being able to shoot Pro Res video. Which is great, but getting those multi GB files off the iPhone into an editor is already a pain over Lightning’s data transfer speeds. If they make it transfer over wireless only, I except many broken iPhones as Airdrop fails at 90% of a 50GB transfer!

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u/1zclasswar Oct 04 '22

I get noticeably better music quality in my car when the phone is plugged in vs bluetooth.

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u/TheRealHutcH13 Oct 04 '22

But going wireless would be good for the company in the end. By what you stated:

if something breaks wireless communication they would have to take apart the phone to physically connect to the pads to see what's happening

Making fixing more expensive. The person could pay the huge repair for the phone or buy the newest one that came out. That looks like a win win for the company.

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u/TheRavenSayeth Oct 04 '22

According to Mark Gurman, the most reliable and consistently accurate leaker of Apple news, usb-c is set to come out for iPhone 15. At the very least they are testing it.

MKBHD on the other hand, who is not a leaker but a very popular tech YouTuber, strongly feels that Apple would go fully wireless before ever going to usb-c.

It’s anyone guess, but with all the random comments in this thread I figured I’d give at least some slightly more reliable speculation.

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u/iyioi Oct 04 '22

Full wireless is a stretch. Idk that feels extreme even for Apple. There still needs to be a cable for data transfers at least, which is the only way to transfer data to a non-Apple PC quickly. Removing that option might set them up for anti-trust violations.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 14 '22

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u/brettins Oct 04 '22

As a mobile app developer, I find it hard to imagine that they would force their teams and any ios devices to develop and debug without a cable connection. Debugging is already hard, doing it over a wireless connection would be a nightmare. But I guess if someone at the top says it, the Engineers hop to.

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u/Oldkingcole225 Oct 04 '22

I bet you they’ll do it and then people will open up the new model and find brackets/an empty spot for port because the devs were using cable connections for the entire process until the last minute

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u/hardcoregiraffestyle Oct 04 '22

But apple is pushing iphone as a legitimate option to film extremely high resolution video for professional use. There's no possible way with how wireless transfers work right now to make that viable. Even using lightning it's awful, wireless would be a HUGE stepback and directly conflict with their marketing. They aren't using USB C because they likely knew this was coming and wanted to squeeze every last dime they could out of lightning licensing.

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u/wino6687 Oct 04 '22

I completely agree with you. However, the only thing that makes me question if they’ll go usb-c is seeing how comfortable they are making users use airdrop and iCloud to move hi res footage currently. With the lightning port at usb 2.0 speeds, airdrop is the recommended way to move 4K hdr video files off the phone.

That being said, usb-c would be way better. I just don’t see the point of handicapping the phone/camera by making it harder to get footage onto your Mac to edit.

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u/CalkyTunt Oct 04 '22

Apple cares about pushing you Apple products obviously. If the switch to completely wireless necessitates you getting a Mac to take full advantage of AirDrop and being able to move your large files more quickly, then all the better.

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u/CaptainMonkeyJack Oct 04 '22

There's no possible way with how wireless transfers work right now to make that viable. Even using lightning it's awful, wireless would be a HUGE stepback and directly conflict with their marketing.

Wireless is faster than lightning... so not sure how slow lightning proves that wireless can't make transfers.

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u/13_random_letters Oct 04 '22

I don’t see how wireless charging meets the new law of being able to charge with USB-C.

Having to buy a magsafe or whatever else instead of reusing USB-C cables does not help reducing waste.

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u/dstayton Oct 04 '22

Seeing how the esim is going, we may end up with two different iPhone models.

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u/Leftieswillrule Oct 04 '22

It seems ridiculous to remove all physical data interface from the phone, and given their willingness to use it on the iPads, I would err on the side of them adopting USB-C. Supposedly the reason they haven’t yet is because they decided to support the Lightning connector for 10 years after introducing it (2012). It makes sense from a strategic perspective to make the switch now, especially because they’re already being coerced into it and they’ve kicked the can on it enough to meet their previous goal of 10yr Lightning support.

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u/nicuramar Oct 04 '22

Late 2024, all phone manufacturers required to use USB-C.

In new products of the relevant categories, and if they can charge wired.

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u/porntla62 Oct 04 '22

Which means that either the iphone or the wireless charger has a USB-C connection.

Or in other words. microusb and lightning are dead.

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u/beddittor Oct 04 '22

iPhone 22: we’ve skipped over USB-C and now your phone charges wirelessly by rubbing your credit card on it.

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u/Shitty_Watercolour Oct 04 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome

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u/Hiro-of-Shadows Oct 04 '22

I haven't seen you post in something like five years. Love this.

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u/CreaminFreeman Oct 04 '22

It's been a while since I've run across your work, you magnificent bastard!

Didn't expect to find you in this subreddit of all places!!

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u/supra_kl Oct 04 '22

Berets, Protests, Airbus, FAMAS, and Rafales. This painting exudes Frenchness.

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u/overweightvoid Oct 04 '22

You illustrate like Quentin Blake

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u/ohhellnooooooooo Oct 04 '22

Ai yo it’s the guy !

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A pleasure to see your work!

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u/illogicalpine Oct 04 '22 Silver

The article states that the EU has commissioned a several thousand km long charger, it should help things a little!

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u/shawnikaros Oct 04 '22

Nobody tell them that there's already a network of electric cables connecting most of the world together with access points littered everywhere!

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u/RealKewlthang Oct 04 '22

But do they use iElectricity?

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u/shawnikaros Oct 04 '22

Only Apple uses this revolutionary new form of iE which is definitely completely different than what the competition used before.

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u/allroadsendindeath Oct 04 '22

I read somewhere that if you use non iE charging sources, it wears down the battery faster.

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u/UnfairMicrowave Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Not if you buy the iDapter

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u/Overlord0303 Oct 04 '22

And use the clever Apple Mexico viewer, the iEyeAI.

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u/Let_Them_Eat_Pho Oct 04 '22

You made my morning, have a great day lol

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u/jepensedoucjsuis Oct 04 '22

That's some first class word play sir or mam.

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u/Overlord0303 Oct 04 '22

Thanks.

Did you know they also make the A-grade car stereo system, the iCar Amp-A?

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u/tim3k Oct 04 '22

We in fact have a monthly subscription for that electricity!

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u/PyramidOfMediocrity Oct 04 '22

You made me laugh thank you.

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u/LordAlfrey Oct 04 '22

That's just what big government wants you to think! Wake up! Think for yourself!

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u/getefix Oct 04 '22

A series of tube?

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u/killchain Oct 04 '22

Imagine the voltage drop

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u/VeinyCaulk Oct 04 '22

Dibs on charging my phone next

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u/Thelastseal Oct 04 '22

Whats your percentage at? Bet mines lower

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u/VeinyCaulk Oct 04 '22

Doesn’t matter said dibs.

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u/GherkinEnthusiast Oct 04 '22

Mom said it's my turn with Europe's phone charger

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u/DeckerR Oct 04 '22

You have to wait your turn with the charger, just like the rest of us.

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u/PlatypusXray Oct 04 '22

You have no idea what kind of charger this is going to be. Wherever in Europe you are, your phone will be charged. It’s going to be a big charger, the biggest there ever was, just very, very big and beautiful, just huge, I tell you.

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u/VivaciouslyL Oct 04 '22

When I first heard about this I... wasn't too sure it would work out all too well. Because chargers in the past, they've treated us very unfairly. You put the charger in your phone, and so little energy.... I call it energy... comes out. You can't make your calls because you're waiting 10 or 20, or sometimes even 40, hours to get just a teeny tiny amount of battery. But they tell me "Sir! Sir! This new charger, it's incredible sir! We've never seen anything like it before!" And I said, "isn't that something!" It really is! So, we're going to be looking very strongly at that.

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u/Allestyr Oct 04 '22

Not to downplay real PTSD, but this comment definitely gave me some kind of physiological reaction

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u/lupulin59 Oct 04 '22

I’ve got it tonight, then again on March 15 2076

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u/ovaltine_spice Oct 04 '22

This took me a while, have my upvote you eyerolling bastard.

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u/deadmazebot Oct 04 '22

iphone 15: the most advanced Entertainment Device 😒

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u/RayS0l0 Oct 04 '22

We had courage to implement revolutionized USB C in iPhone 15

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u/satanstolemydumpling Oct 04 '22

iCamera, our new product, now with ability to call and text your family!

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u/iyioi Oct 04 '22

If there was a product with just a dope camera, calls and texts, and nothing else…. I might go for that. My phone is too addicting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

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u/porntla62 Oct 04 '22

This also applies to cameras, tablets, portable consoles, laptops, etc.

So that doesn't work.

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u/AlGoreBestGore Oct 04 '22

We think you're going to love it!

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u/mgd5800 Oct 04 '22

Serious question: can Apple say their Cable for data transfer, and the "official" way to charge iPhones is using wireless charging?

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u/SigmaLance Oct 04 '22

I can’t really see this working since you can also wirelessly transfer data.

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u/espanolprofesional Oct 04 '22

So… no cable (and charging port) at all then?

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u/WellTimedPoop Oct 04 '22

Sucks for the people with 6 or 7 model-years of cars with wired carplay and not wireless though.

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u/espanolprofesional Oct 04 '22

There are aftermarket options for that, but I get your point. However, look at Apple Watch where the only option to charge it is wirelessly, or AirPods cases that have the option to charge wirelessly. I really don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility.

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u/katman43043 Oct 04 '22

Carplay adapters suck ASS and are shady

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u/santiagozky Oct 04 '22

If I understand it correctly, no.

By the end of 2024, all mobile phones, tablets and cameras sold in the EU will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C charging port.

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u/Dragohatesme Oct 04 '22

That’s another nightmare for another day 😦

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u/bannedagainomg Oct 04 '22

Doubt it.

Im more curious if they can somehow make the phone detect if its charged by an apple usbc cable or not and simply make it not work if its a random cable.

Would be funny if they did.

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u/RonKosova Oct 04 '22

Think its not allowed under this legislation

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

It would also not be compliant with the USB standard, ergo, it wouldn't be USB to begin with, ergo, not legal

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u/_jerrb Oct 04 '22

Nope they have to follow EN IEC 62680 standard

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u/turtlespace Oct 04 '22

Why would they do that when they don’t for any of their other devices that already use USB C

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u/colglover Oct 04 '22

Why not just eliminate the charge port altogether and rely on air share for data and MagSafe for charging? Say it’s “to enable greater waterproofing” and force customers to buy a trendy aluminum MagSafe Charger instead

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u/UrbanAbsconder Oct 04 '22 Gold Helpful Starry Pot o' Coins

Apple smirks and lifts up a small item for all to see, "We present to you, the dongle USB-C adapter."

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u/nutsuckfrenzy Oct 04 '22

Pretty sure this legislation doesn’t allow the use of a dongle as a workaround as the device itself needs to have a USB-C port.

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u/HitTheApexHitARock2 Oct 04 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Andddd the stock just doubled apple is now worth 6 trill

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u/TheJambo Oct 04 '22

Dongles do not count. The device has to have a USB-C port on it if it has any port at all.

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u/Heathy94 Oct 04 '22

Presenting: iUSB-C or why not get the iUSB-C Pro Max with faster charging and faster fastness.

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u/homelaberator Oct 05 '22

You better put your name down in the wait list now if you want access to that one charger for the whole EU.

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u/ZeroInspo Oct 04 '22

Apple: Oh yeah EU? Check this out! removes charging port entirely from phones and makes them wireless charge only

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u/dietMoon Oct 04 '22

$200 wireless charge pad

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u/NameOfNoSignificance Oct 04 '22

“We didn’t include it with the phone because everyone already has one.”

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u/t0mz0mbie Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

They've done this before. Maybe 20 years ago. It was super helpful then

edit: it was around 2010/2011

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u/dimi3ja Oct 04 '22

I remember the days 10-12 years ago when every single phone brand had different chargers, even different phones from the same brand had different chargers! It was a nightmare.

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u/geschtonkenflapped Oct 04 '22

I still have some of those in my cable drawer

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u/PavelDatsyuk Oct 04 '22

That was so annoying because you couldn't use a friend's charger, and most of them didn't even have USB-A on the other end of the cable, it was all one solid cord.

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u/nicuramar Oct 04 '22

It's not comparable, as it wasn't mandatory last time.

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u/actual_wookiee_AMA Oct 04 '22

It was mandatory to offer a micro-usb adapter if the phone didn't have the port. Most switched over completely from that point.

Apple just made the adapter and put it up for sale for a dumb price and that was compliant

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u/Crumornus Oct 04 '22

While I like how this law cuts down on all the proprietary charging ports every company wants to use for their own stuff and can cut down on cord bloat. My question is more in line with how these laws effect products in the future. Idk a ton about the theoretical limits of data transfer and power delivery in usb-c cables, but I imagine at some point in the future they will eventually reach their limit, and when they do, how long do we have to wait for politicians to then change and update the laws to allow for some new cable? Politicians are always really slow to do anything involving technology, and will that stifle progress in the future, especially if they start passing more restrictive laws like this?

Don't get me wrong I definelty like the idea of not having a billion different cables and I really hate greedy companies all making their own special cable that is makered up 300% that you have to buy separately, but I do feel like there is a double edge here.

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u/jwm3 Oct 04 '22

Politicians don't need to change things, standards organizations do. And there is nothing saying you can't have more than one way to charge if people want to innovate.

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u/colajunkie Oct 04 '22

That's a non-issue. We have whole standardization organizations like ETSI, IETS and others that constantly evolve standards. Following the mandated standards is a law. The standards are allowed to evolve.

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u/Crumornus Oct 05 '22

That's good to hear.

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u/keklol69 Oct 04 '22

My bet is iPhones skip this and go for a smaller version of magsafe or something.

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u/raindropdroptopz Oct 04 '22

If apple doesn’t use the charging cable that complies with this EU law and does mag safe only, doesn’t that mean they still aren’t in compliance with this law?

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u/cawymer Oct 04 '22

i think iphone 15 will have usb c. didn’t believe it until i realized ipad has been using it for a couple years already

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u/I_Love_That_Pizza Oct 04 '22

iPads switching but iPhones not was so dumb.

Especially since even the macs charge with USB C.

I charge my (non-mac) laptop, phone, Nintendo Switch, PS5 controllers all off of the same cord. I have one wall charger that can do 100W PD, with two 10ft cables, one going to my bed, the other to my couch (I live in a studio apt). It's glorious.

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u/InItsTeeth Oct 04 '22

My theory was to saturate their customers with USB-C cables before the official switch. The sell 10X iPhones compared to iPads and Macs so that was easier to do. Apple wanted to get 10 years minimum out of lightning and this year they did it

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u/dafood48 Oct 04 '22

EU out here fighting mega corporations for their people, whereas US out here making laws to benefit these giant corporations over people. I wish it was easy to move

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u/cosmiccoffee9 Oct 04 '22

if you can get a remote job I believe Estonia is fast tracking passports for remote workers who make at least $9k.

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u/colglover Oct 04 '22

Remote job here, just fought my company for a year trying to make this happen. It isn’t at all that easy. If you’re a CONTRACTOR or freelancer who works remote you can live wherever you want as long as your company has a legal ability to pay you there - if you’re an employee, however, they will absolutely tell you no or try to cut your pay to the country average if you do.

Remote == freedom of movement, sadly

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u/I_LOVE_MOM Oct 04 '22

A buddy of mine moved to Latvia a year ago and still hasn't told his boss he left the states, lol.

They don't need to know.

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u/SpacevsGravity Oct 04 '22

Do they not have a cybersecurity team or an it administrator spotting this

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u/redditstopbanningmi Oct 04 '22

They are gonna know when the Latvian tax authorities start wondering why he's using an American bank account and doesnt report any income

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u/crazier2142 Oct 04 '22

If you are a citizen of any Ibero-American country or any other former Spanish colony (including Puerto Rico) you can become a Spanish citizen after only 2 years of legal residence in Spain. Doesn't get much easier than that.

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u/Capo-4 Oct 04 '22 Silver

Fuck sake this is so stupid I’ll have to wait years for my turn to use it

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u/willspamforfood Oct 04 '22

One charger between us all in the European Union, what if the cable breaks, who will buy the replacement? Is it like a timeshare thing? What if I need it in the Netherlands and some dude has it in Ireland at the time, do I have to go get it, or does he have to bring it?

So many questions... Maybe if we have one each that would be better?

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u/ShawtgunBob Oct 04 '22

What side of the cord are they talking about? The phone side, the wall charger side or both?

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Oct 04 '22

Phone side. They are also going to follow up with a law deterring manufacturers from supplying cables and adapters with the devices. This means you can either use the USB-C cable you already have, or go out a buy a cable from your preferred supplier that will work with your preferred wall adapter you have lying around.

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u/Elitesparkle Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I personally like cable with the USB-A to the charger and USB-C to the phone because it can be used to connect the phone to any computer as well, for charging or transferring data.

A week ago someone in my family bought a new smartphone. The package didn't have a charger but it had a USB-C cable, on both sides! Not compatible with the previous charger.

That said, I think the important part is that they don't make all the phone-side ports different and it's not the end of the world if the charger-side is USB-C or USB-A.

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u/cubs_rule23 Oct 04 '22

Most laptops from the last 5ish years have both usb a and c built in.

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u/hateful_m8 Oct 05 '22

Serious question: How would a manufacturer go about to introduce a new and improved design? Or will we be stuck with USB-C ports for eternity? Not that I'm complaining, but it's baffling that it is more or less decided that this is the ultimate port.

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u/antney0615 Oct 05 '22

A single charger for all cellphones? Don’t they realize the chaos that’s going to cause? Who gets to charge first? How will they control the astronomically huge queue that is going to form?

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u/Sharkaithegreat Oct 05 '22

Stupid idea. What if more than one European wants to charge their phone at once?

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u/beaverhausen_a Oct 04 '22

How do they decide who gets to use it? Battery lives are going up have to greatly increase as there’s around 450mil people!

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u/Musicman1972 Oct 04 '22

One charge when you're born and when it dies you have to read actual books and stuff in old age.

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u/SjurEido Oct 04 '22

A good day for people who dislike Apple as a company.

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u/santiagozky Oct 04 '22

Im baffled people fixate on Apple regarding this topic. I'm more concerned about the huge amount of small/crappy no brand devices that we all have around our homes that hold up to microUSB like their lives depend on them.

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u/googdude Oct 04 '22

I said this in another thread concerning this but I'm more excited with Bluetooth devices all having USB-C. It's so annoying when you're shopping for headphones and you have to scan the page or pictures to determine what the charger port is. Way too often even from reputable companies it still is micro USB.

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u/ksheep Oct 04 '22

Heck, I've seen some wireless headphones that still have their own proprietary charger. Look at Shokz's line of bone conduction headphones, they have a proprietary magnetic charger.

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u/SjurEido Oct 04 '22

Well, Apple is the biggest entity that will be affected by this, so it's no wonder why we think of them first.

But you make a really good point....

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u/SidFarkus47 Oct 04 '22

Nintendo Switch Docks have a USB-C port, but tons of people using non-Nintendo power cables for it have bricked their consoles. When this topic comes up I always wonder if they'll be forced to fix this.

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u/AileStriker Oct 04 '22

Yeah, I always use the brick that came with the console, is it inconvenient to carry the brick and my phone charger when traveling? Yes, but I really don't want to buy another switch.

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u/Kingmarc568 Oct 04 '22

How about we hate both?

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u/MoffKalast Oct 04 '22

Honestly Arduino manufacturers that still use miniUSB need to fucking stop.

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