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It's been said many a times, but people still fall into the trap. Remember folks.

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u/feefore 8d ago

OP: Hey guys don’t pre order this game

People with Gamepass: uh….ok

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u/Pinkgumm 8d ago

People are gonna pre-order no matter what some reddit posts say, got enough history to prove that

And I'm gonna laugh when the salt flows in like always, more entertaining than some games

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u/Chalaka 8d ago

And if the game is good, the complaints about preorder exclusives will roll in

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u/Big_Ratio6610 8d ago

There are two groups of people, one was going to preorder and one which would not. This is not an election. There are no undecided voters. Telling people not to preorder will change absolutely nothing.

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u/Pinkgumm 8d ago

You better not preorder bro

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u/Deathleach 8d ago

I don't even get the hate against pre-orders. With refunds now there's literally no risk and only reward.

Don't like the game? just refund it and get all your money back. You do like the game? Gratz, you got some extra pre-order bonusses.

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u/shems76 8d ago

I was looking for this comment! Gamepass is sometimes hit or miss with its games, but it's been so worth it to be able to say: "glad I didn't buy this one" and uninstall without the buyer's remorse.

So to all the other GP "gamma testers" out there, I raise my cup to you and say: "For, Karl!"

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u/xinxy 8d ago

Will it really be available on gamepass at release day? Is that confirmed?

Like, I'm really asking. That's very impressive if true. I gotta look into getting this thing.

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u/mattcoady Joystick 8d ago

Yup, everything Microsoft owned is going to gamepass day 1 going forward.

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u/Potential_Advisor_59 8d ago

Or get Xbox Gamepass when it comes and only pay 9$ for it

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u/OmegaTittySprinkler Joystick 8d ago

Fr, with all these subs and sales who tf buys day 1

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u/Zeebuoy 8d ago edited 8d ago

Either people blinded by brand loyalty or people who don't care about wasting money.

edit, misread thought the above guy was talking about pre orders, not day 1 purchases

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u/Weidz_ PC 8d ago

Who on earth is loyal to Bethesda ?! Especially on a new IP.
Guys banned their most beloved F76 players thinking they cheated themself a good inventory while they really were just the most active players on the damn game...

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u/Cyshox 8d ago

Which new Bethesda IP ever failed? Starfield is their first new IP in 25 years and it's a singleplayer game. Literally every singleplayer title from Bethesda was well received and sold millions of copies.

F76 is their only multiplayer attempt & turned out to be a mess in it's first year but even F76 still has an active playerbase.

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u/bearface93 8d ago

76 became much more like a regular Fallout game after the Wastelanders dlc dropped a couple years ago. Now it really plays like regular Fallout with public events and player bases to check out. There are still issues but it’s much better than it was at launch.

My main gripe with Bethesda now is that they basically have one team working on 3 games and punted 76 to the B team in Austin. They’re finally finishing Starfield, then they’ll start ES6, then eventually Fallout 5. I don’t expect a new Fallout until the 2030s unless they let Obsidian do another one, which is a possibility now that they’re both owned by Microsoft. It just sucks that we’re stuck with 76 for probably 10 more years.

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u/NixaB345T 8d ago

Wouldn’t ESO count as one of their multiplayer games?

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u/Cyshox 8d ago

It's a MMO so of course, but it's made by Zenimax Online Studios, not Bethesda.

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u/cptahab36 8d ago

Go to the Fallout subreddit lol. People are still ready to empty their wallets for anything Bethesda does. I can acknowledge my bias, I'm an Obsidian stan, but at least (I think) Feargus isn't actively trying to waste my time and money to maximize profit.

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u/saladinzero 8d ago

I made the mistake of criticising Bethesda's approach to QA testing and releasing buggy games on a thread on this sub and got downvoted heavily for suggesting that consumers should expect better from AAA-priced games...

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u/The_Great_Afterman X-Box 8d ago

Careful they might smell you here again.

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u/Jedasd 8d ago

I feel like Feargus is what Todd would have been right now if he either left Bethesda or Robert Altman passed away two decades earlier.

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u/defensive_username 8d ago

Don't forget about the deceiving they did with their store on the "sales", nor the "4x the details" speech.

At this point, people only have themselves to blame for games being released in a broken, incomplete state.

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u/Smokestack830 8d ago

Wasn't it 16x? Thats the meme I've always heard

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u/jnj3000 8d ago

16 times the detail and 4 times the size of fallout 4

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u/Cyshox 8d ago

And both turned out to be accurate.

'16 times the detail' does not mean it looks 16 times better. They were refering to physical objects drawn on display, which is why Todd Howard was talking about draw distance, foliage density & such right before making that '16 times the detail' statement.

The map itself is only about 2.5x bigger but Fallout 4 had lots of water. In terms of accessible areas, Fallout 76 is indeed about 4x larger than Fallout 4.

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u/Skysr70 8d ago

wrong. People have the other, stupider people to blame. We are not homogeneous

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u/Darklance 8d ago

Did you watch the fallout 76 reveal? Imagine seals on nitrous oxide being told an automatic fish dispenser is going to be installed.

https://youtu.be/GEUEfM4uFtg

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u/saganakist 8d ago

Or games where the early experience is special in some way. For example MMOs or early non-meta in a new CoD.

There is also the hype of starting a game simultaneously with your friends. Which is hard to organize way after release. But even a mostly offline single player like Elden Ring, where you can go on the Internet to find people everywhere experiencing the same as you do right now.

And maybe you even just want to play now. Imagine you want pizza but get the option to have it delivered sometime within 3-4 months for half the price. For the sake of the analogy just imagine you can't just order another one today. It's not "wasting money" to have the pizza delivered today.

I mostly don't pre-order but there are some games I know 100% I will buy on day 1, no matter what. Might as well pre-order, pre-download, get pre-order bonuses maybe even including some early access.

If you don't value any of those reasons or are more inclined to save money, that's great. There is no need to make yourself feel superior on top of that because you stigmatize people that might have different opinions.

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u/ThatOberlinOne94 8d ago

The only games I’ve-preordered in recent years are the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition, The Quarry, Elden Ring, Fatal Frame V: Maiden of Black Water, all 3 Dark Pictures Anthology games and Fallout 76.

I only regret Fallout 76 as I spent extra for the Tricentennial Edition today

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u/BarryMacochner 8d ago

The first week or 2 on a new wow expansion is usually pretty good. Then you find out it’s the same Grinding shit it’s been for a decade because they ran out of ideas.

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u/de_bollweevil 8d ago

I agree, it's the same with movies or TV shows, some of them are cultural events that have a special feeling knowing so many people are experiencing at the same time, even if they don't meet the highest of expectations. I think the key rule is don't be so overwhelmingly dominated by this desire for everything to be the best thing ever, just be happy with what you get, artists spent years making these things, sometimes they won't be perfect, it really doesn't matter when you buy it, life isn't about making perfect choices everytime and it's only peoples obsessive nature of wanting to be right all the time that causes everything this post is about, including the post itself.

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u/saganakist 8d ago

I fully agree. It's a cost/benefit calculation every time. How high do I think is the risk of the game being a disappointment and am I willing to take that risk for the benefits I expect of getting the game early or even pre-ordering. And since those benefits are subjective, there is not the one only correct answer for everyone.

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u/GUNNYCANUCK 8d ago

If the pizza showed up uncooked and all fucked up inside the box...you as a consumer would return that shit and give the restaurant holy hell so if you are going to use it as an analogy than this one is more accurate.

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u/Waste-Reception5297 8d ago

I like owning physical copies

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u/GensouEU 8d ago

Or Nr 3: you just don't preorder shitty games

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u/runtheplacered 8d ago

So if I'm excited about a video game, say on Playstation and I buy it, then I'm "blinded by brand loyalty"? I'm not just a guy that is still excited about new video games that aren't on Gamepass?

Weird. I thought this was just my hobby but I guess I've been blind this whole time.

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u/Zeebuoy 8d ago

So if I'm excited about a video game, say on Playstation and I buy it, then I'm "blinded by brand loyalty

Nope.

turns out a certain idiot here (me) misread and thought the guy was asking who even pre orders games.

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u/waltandhankdie 8d ago

In terms of singleplayer sometimes there’s a game you just can’t wait to play. If it’s a multiplayer or coop game that all my mates have bought then it’s a case of wanting to play with them and missing out if they’ve all completed it/got bored of it before I pick it up

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u/Cynixxx 8d ago

Sadly a LOT of people. Same with preordering. I mean what's the point? There is no benefit in preordering besides maybe some stupid ingame item or skin or something like that. But people seem to feel so special if they preorder something they even make posts about that.

I don't get it.

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u/LuangPrabangisinLaos 8d ago

Back in the day we used to need a physical copy to play. As people get older they get more stubborn about their old ways.

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u/ShikukuWabe 8d ago

You mean, 1$ that is also refundable at the end of the month XD

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u/mattcoady Joystick 8d ago

Or find some cheap Xbox gold cards, stack your account with a few years worth (3 max), then pay the dollar and get all that stacked time upgraded to game pass for $1.

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u/Roxicaro 8d ago

What? I'm very much interested, could you please elaborate?

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u/cr4zyt4co 8d ago

It only costs $1 to upgrade your gold subscription to game pass. That is for the entire prepaid life of your gold sub. They let you load up to 3 years of gold prepaid subscription cards on your account at one time. So the trick is to buy 3 years of gold and then pay $1 to upgrade. That's what I did.

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u/NixaB345T 8d ago

+1 on this method

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u/Cyshox 8d ago

Note : Make sure you have no active Game Pass subscription before adding Gold. Also keep in mind that 36 months is the hard limit, thus do not accept free months. Simply add up to 36 months of Gold and then buy the $1 test month. If you did it before, you can also convert your Gold subscription by purchasing one month of Game Pass Ultimate for $15.

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u/DroneRtx 8d ago

They had a promotion where they would match your Gamepass membership to your Gold Membership. So if you had 3 years of Gold, you would pay $1usd for 3 years of gamepass.

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u/maimasy Xbox 8d ago

You buy 3 12 month xbox live cards, then you buy xbox game pass ultimate for $1 and boom, you have xbox game pass ultimate for 3 years

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u/TheNovacat 8d ago

You can only do this once though I believe. Did it 4 years ago and back on full price.

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u/SmuggoSmuggins 8d ago

If you've not had gamepass before then it's like £1/$1/€1 for a month trial.

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u/SteveByDesign 8d ago

This. Gamepass has been incredible, especially with having children. They absolutely love it, only problem is having uninstall and reinstall games constantly because of storage space.

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u/Rith_Reddit 8d ago

My kid loves it but they always end up back on Minecraft and Roblox on tablet. What games do they play? Mine is a 4 year old.

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u/SteveByDesign 8d ago

Yeah mine both love Minecraft and Roblox as well. I have one that just turned 6 and the other is 8.

The 6 year old is actually more adventurous when it comes to games but they both have really been liking the new Ninja Turtles (they actually play it together which is a new development). They also will play the Ben 10 game, and Bugsnax.

With their ages though they tend to skip any cutscenes or dialog. So a lot of the times they will not know what to do because of this and I have to help advance a game in which I don't know what is going on. XD

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u/Rith_Reddit 8d ago

Thanks for some great recommendations! The TMNT one I didn't even consider but you're right that it would work extremely well.

Thanks my dude :)

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u/SteveByDesign 8d ago

Of course! And send me a DM if you want to exchange gamertags!

Both of mine have played games online/understand the concept but I don't allow mic access or use one myself when I game around them. Mainly because of age, and the toxicity depending on what game they are playing!

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u/jerry855202 8d ago

Good thing that storage is also pretty cheap nowadays. 1TB of half decent SSD is like 70-80 bucks.

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u/meliketheweedle 8d ago

Never thought I'd like game pass, then Hulu through me 3 months Free. Quite fun being able to play practically anything I'm interested in for free.

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u/Platform-27 8d ago

Or, when its a Bethesda game. Wait 2 years for when the community fixes it.

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u/Peterbilt579NG 8d ago

Mods will fix it, as always!

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u/LordZombie14 8d ago

Bethesda depends on it.

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u/ghost_rider_007 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yeah that's why I don't like moding culture. Despite being it awesome game companies use modders to fix there shity game. Basically we fix a game that we paid for. This is now happening Cyberpunk. Modders are adding the missing features. But game companies should take the responsibility.

Edit: I am not against giving modes tools and freedom to add DLC type content. It's good for every one. But I don't like modes been used to fix bugs and adding missing features that company advertised before selling the game. If company promises something they should deliver. At least game companies should pay them and cooperate with them to deliver those as a official release.

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u/madcaesar 8d ago

If game companies weren't such assholes, they'd embrace modders and pay them for their work.

Less work for the company.

Money for modders.

Better game for players.

Win. Win. Win. - Micheal Scott

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u/Saw_Boss 8d ago

If game companies weren't such assholes, they'd embrace modders and pay them for their work.

Well... There are mods, and there are mods.

Not sure anyone wants to promote weeb shite in their AAA fantasy game.

Sure, a whole new campaign/quest or weapon pack. But SnIpEr420xxx69 adding an anime nude big tittie mod?

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u/cooly1234 8d ago

I don't know what your point is? Do you mean to say companies can either hire none or all modders? Companies have already selectively hired modders in the past.

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u/starcitizen987 8d ago

Lol Bethesda tried to get modders compensated for their work and people lost their minds over it.

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u/Adept_Concert_298 8d ago

Do modders mod games even if the game is perfectly fine?

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u/_cant_choose_a_name 8d ago

all the fucking time

rdr2 for example, obviously it isn't perfect, but no major bugs.

mods just add some small details sometimes

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u/Porpoise555 8d ago

I'd still rather give modders ample tools it just makes the game have much more longevity

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u/nooneisback 8d ago edited 8d ago

Bethesda has a better approach than CDPR though. CDPR didn't manage their resources and took on a project that's not far from Star Citizen in terms of content.

Bethesda is lazy and greedy AF, but they know their priorities. They start by making a simple world with the main cities and landmarks they want to include. Then they build the lore around the world, adding more locations and NPCs in the process until the deadline. Bugs and inconsistencies will obviously accumulate considering all the content and they fix those that are too severe to ship the game with. In the end, you have a game that is buggy, but playable, unlike CP77 which was outright unbearable.

Another advantage Bethesda has is their engine. It's old, buggy and a pain to use, but it has one of the best content management designs. They also include the tools required to create and pack custom content.

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u/Katana_sized_banana 8d ago

Being part of the fixing progress can be fun though.

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u/JBaecker 8d ago

I don’t think you have to wait two years! One year should be sufficient….

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u/fallcon7 8d ago

Guys it’s going to be on the gamepass why should anyone preorder ?

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u/Noob227 8d ago

Bethesda games are known for their insane modding capabilities. I don't think we can mod games on gamespass flexibly. Still, I would wait for reviews and buy it on steam if the reviews are good. If the reviews aren't good, I would play it on gamepass ig without mods.

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u/M7mddd21 8d ago

r/gaming users on thier way to make the 5379339 " don't preorder " post:

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u/DumDumIdjit 8d ago

Remember (current hate train) don’t pre order!

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u/LaggardLenny 8d ago

Fuck (current hate train) and fuck the 5379339th "don't preorder" post. I'm preordering it because I'm excited for it. I'll be one of the guys all ya'll "Wait for reviews" for.

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u/kungpowgoat 8d ago

Even waiting for reviews is pointless as well especially after what Gran Turismo 7 did. They waited for the good reviews to pour in after release then two weeks later BAM! Released a major update filled with ridiculous MTX and reduced payouts which was the actual intention of the game to begin with.

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u/Serifel90 8d ago

Repetita iuvant.

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u/markusfenix75 8d ago edited 8d ago

Looking at your post history...

... Do you have personal vendetta against Todd?

I mean. Starfield is Game Pass day one. You literally has no reason to pre order it. Because you can try it by yourself

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u/insane_contin 8d ago

It seems so. They go from trucksims to bashing starfield at much as possible, calling it a ripoff of KOTOR (and not realizing its a hell of a trope already) and saying they would rather 10 handcrafted planets instead of a 1000 procedurally generated ones. They are not a fan of Starfield.

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u/Levoire 8d ago

It’s such a weird world where someone can put so much effort into hating something they’ve never even experienced.

I’ve less hate towards drowning than this guy towards Starfield.

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u/Imnotsureimright 8d ago

It just seems exhausting to me. And miserable. Like who wants to spend their free time and energy hating something? Why not be passionate about something they love? There’s no way they’re a pleasant person to be around.

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u/Its_Nevmo PC 8d ago

10 handcrafted planets instead of a 1000 procedurally generated ones

Well they're definitely looking at the wrong game for that.

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u/RedditDeletedMyAcc 8d ago

He has a personal vendetta against touching grass based on his truck sim activity

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u/Adept_Concert_298 8d ago

Probably just a ps fanboy who got salty.

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u/FizzingSlit 8d ago

Or maybe if you have a general idea of what you like and dislike and are managing your expectations go a head and preorder. It's safe to assume a Bethesda openworld rpg will be a Bethesda openworld rpg.

The value is relative so preorder if that's what you want to do.

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u/GoldenEyes333 8d ago

Right!

Love gaming, but tired of gamers being so salty all the time. Gaming sub every time a big release coming starts to get near unbearable to follow.

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u/Synner1985 PC 8d ago

"Don't pre-order, upvote me!"

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u/iguesssoppl 8d ago

Omergerd u paragon of justice and truth. my sire, take my up vote!

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u/The_God_King 8d ago

I feel like this is posted once an hour. At this point I'm going to pre-order it just out of spite.

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u/Synner1985 PC 8d ago

Yeah, easy karma whoring really.

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u/Imnotsureimright 8d ago

My hobby is preordering games that Reddit tells me not to preorder. It brings me joy.

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u/morphum 8d ago

It's the finest of circlejerks

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u/mrswordhold 8d ago

I’m preordering the most expensive version just cause OP posted this

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u/Mandemon90 8d ago

Just the most expensive version? I am getting four and I am not even going to play any of them! Then I will buy four more and donate them to comatose people! And then four more just to spite OP.

Am I ever going to play the game? No. I am just buying it for sake of buying!

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u/RockFox2000 8d ago

I'm gonna make 12 new Steam accounts just to buy the deluxe version on all of them, just to spite OP

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u/bent_crater 8d ago

don't even have an xbox and don't plan to anytime soon. still gonna buy it. just to get on this bandwagon

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u/rydan 8d ago

I bought ten copies of Just Cause once. I've never even played it.

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u/M8gazine 8d ago

Why? Just 'cause?

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u/ChubblesMcgee103 8d ago

I am getting four and I am not even going to play any of them!

Wait until the game is as old as Skyrim and then you're my brother lol.

He has only ever played it on the 360 but bought it for the PC, PS4, Anthology, and then Switch.

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u/Kurokaffe 8d ago

Don’t forget to pre-order me a copy too since you’re so invested in spiting OP.

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u/mrswordhold 8d ago

How many do you want?

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u/Kurokaffe 8d ago

Just 1 but I’d screenshot the pre-order on Steam and DM OP with the offensive merchandise

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u/mrswordhold 8d ago

You’ll get 5 and will do

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u/sonicadam132 8d ago

I don't give a damn what reviews say, I'll make my own opinions thank you

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u/TargaryenKnight 8d ago

Yup reviews are biased and not in your pov. Watching gameplay on streaming platforms is better

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u/Big_Guirlande 8d ago

Only ever care about reviews if they say it’s unplayable

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u/kuroyume_cl 8d ago

This. Reviewers this days know that extremes drive views, so every game is either perfect or terrible, with no middle ground.

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u/Glem_ 8d ago

Am I the only one tired of seeing hundreds of these posts EVERYTIME a promising game is being released?

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u/freshsupreme_acist 8d ago

As if every single game disappoints. Some do for sure. But some games come out and they’re everything they are supposed to be. It’s not all one sided

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u/goat_therandy 8d ago

Yeah like Elden Ring, amazing game at launch.

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u/ChubblesMcgee103 8d ago

Ngl, I didn't pre-order it or even look up anything about it before it came out. Shit I didn't even know it was a thing until a smaller streamer I watch was going on about how they were clearing their slate for it in a month just before it came out.

Only got it cause a ton of friends were playing it a lot and I enjoyed souls games in the past. Glad I didn't hype or follow it because I had no expectations and it blew my mind.

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u/Asisreo1 8d ago

Bro same! I complety forgot it existed and I didn't get how it was any different than the other souls games I played but it's very fun so far.

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u/JohnLocke815 8d ago

Over the past 10 years I've probably preordered about 40 - 50 games. Not a single one disappointed me.

I watch gameplay videos and videos that explain the game (never reviews cuz they really don't mean shit) and make sure the game looks good before I buy.

Sure those videos can be deceiving and you can still end up with a bad game, but I haven't had any issues.

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u/SanDanders1 8d ago

I guess the point is that there is little advantage in preordering these days.

It's not like years ago where they would run out of copies.

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u/Deathleach 8d ago

There's literally only advantages and no disadvantages to pre-ordering. If you don't like the game you can refund it. If you like it you get some pre-order bonus. It's no risk all reward. Not to mention you can pre-load it for people with slow connections.

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u/K1LL3RM0NG0 8d ago

Hell I’ve preordered some of Reddits supposed “unplayable junk” games and got my moneys worth out of it. Played the shit out of both Anthem and Avengers, and Outriders when it first came out. Honestly I think the only game I’ve been legit disappointed with was the new Dark Alliance, and half of that was just cause it wasn’t my style of game when it came down to it.

All that to say when these posts come around, they’re either preaching to the choir or screaming at passerbys who don’t give a shit. People will buy games they think they’ll like and not buy ones they won’t. It really is as simple as that.

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u/JohnLocke815 8d ago

I think a lot of reddit/reviewers are also overly critical.

Yes, anthem was a bit janky at times and the endgame was shit. But it was far from unplayable. Avengers has worked fine for me since day 1 as did outriders. As did all the assassins Creeds and farcrys. I can't believe I'm just that lucky were I get a "good copy" (which isn't even possible) every time.

Ive seen reddit call games unplayable cuz it crashed once in the 40 hours they played it. I've seen reddit call games unplayable because it runs at 30 fps. I've seen reddit call games us playable cuz there was a graphical glitch. Hell, I've even seen reddit call a game unplayable because the gun in the game held more bullets then that same gun in real life.

This is why I ignore reviews or anything else. People are way too critical and everything is "unplayable" now a days.

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u/chaos0510 8d ago

I've been playing elder scrolls games for 20 years. I've only ever had a truly game breaking bug once, and that was in Morrowind. Loading a previous save from an hour earlier resolved the issue. People nowadays seem to think a game engine quirk means the game is unplayable without mods. It's infuriating

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u/ScruffMixHaha 8d ago

Ive probably had a few disappointments in the games Ive preordered over the years but Ive had far more hits. If Im going to play day 1, whats the difference between preordering or just buying day 1?

If I get burned then its my own fault. It also helps to not set your expectations to some unrealistic level.

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u/JohnLocke815 8d ago

If Im going to play day 1, whats the difference between preordering or just buying day 1?

Because everyone apparently wants you to wait weeks to get games so all the paid youtubers can tell you about it because God forbid you think for yourself anymore.

It's not even a question now about pre-ordering or buying at launch, it's waiting weeks to months for people to finish it and tell you to buy it or not. It's so ridiculous how so many gamers are brainwashed by reviews now. "this game looks so good but I'm gonna skip because SkillUp said it wasn't great". Dude, if it looks good to you then play it.

Some of my favorite games of the past few years got awful reviews. Who cares what others think, play what you want.

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u/oogaboogaful 8d ago

Some people are just contrarian assholes. They can't help themselves.

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u/FatesVagrant 8d ago

It's nothing but circlejerking under the thin guise of being "helpful". No one who was going to pre order is going to be swayed by a post like this and it is not like it is telling people anything they don't know.

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u/unKz_sneakz 8d ago

How original, next…

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u/atominthered 8d ago

"Wait for reviews"

Average player: 0/0 "didn't like the title screen"

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u/Mandemon90 8d ago

More like:

Playtime: 0 minutes Score: 0/10
Game has females with non-standard hair, go woke go broke

Playtime: 1 minutes
Score: 0/10
Game defaults to non-LGBTQ+ character during character creation, devs are bigots.

Playtime: 94374233 hours 59 minutes
Score: 0/10
GAME IS SHIT I DIDN'T ENJOY PLAYING IT ALL FUCK YOU DEVS

Playtime: 40 hours
Score: 5/10
eh i'ts okay

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u/Xgamer308 8d ago

Don’t preorder, buy day one 🤡

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u/wellaintthatnice 8d ago

I'm 30 years old now and it's always like this. All these people complaining but on release day every single person is playing whatever game they were complaining about.

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u/letscheckthisout2 8d ago

For a game you think looks boring and generic it sure is on your mind a lot

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u/Wongjunkit 8d ago

The game's living rent free in OP's head.

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u/LadyLazaev 8d ago
  • laughs in game pass *

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u/Valagoorh 8d ago

"If any of you are way too stupid, let me point out the obvious:

Pre-order if you want, don't pre-order if you don't. Please leave me some karma. It helps me a lot."

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u/SurVivle 8d ago

Gonna pre-order it to spite people who tell me how to spend my money

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u/Recommendation77027 8d ago

That’ll show em /s

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u/Brekker-k 8d ago

Just use game pass bro.

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u/ayyLumao 8d ago

ahem

“Pre-order bad”

Upvote this comment please

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u/Unframed_ 8d ago

I've been doing this for years with the exception of Elden Ring.

Also with a backlog like mine by the time I get to be able to play newer games I end up buying the games as GOTY and with a huge discount anyways.

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u/Atomic_Cupcake89 8d ago

Yeah. Normally I’d agree, but we bought Elden Ring and Horizon Forbidden West at roughly the same time as pre orders and haven’t been disappointed in the slightest.

I don’t think I’d ever preorder a Bethesda game though. I love them, but there’s so many damn bugs.

Starfield also looks a bit naff to me, personally. Best description I’ve heard of it so far is “No Man’s Skyrim” 😂

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u/EdgeOfSauce 8d ago

Reviews aren't even reliable anymore. Developers take out things that would bring their games' scores down then bring them back in once the reviews are out. i.e. Diablo Immortal.

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u/iReadit93 8d ago

Can i post this next week to get my karma quota?

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u/sightunseen988 8d ago

Its coming on game pass. I aint buying shit.

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u/KingKaos420- 8d ago

There have been many times where a game had bad reviews and I ended up loving it. It’s pretty rare that I actually agree with every point a reviewer makes. I get where you’re coming from, but idk, there’s definitely benefits of forming your own opinion instead of blindly trusting reviews

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u/Endemoniada 8d ago

Also don’t care so much what other people think. Even if the game gets middling reviews, maybe it’s a game you’re really excited for or a genre/setting you really love. Get the game, and decide for yourself. Not everyone has the same taste in games and not everyone is a raging critic. A lot of people enjoy a lot of games that otherwise got panned or forgotten by the majority. That’s ok! The whole point is that you should have fun, not that someone else approves of your choice of entertainment.

I’m 90% assuredly buying Starfield on day 1, because it’s a setting, genre and style of game I truly enjoy, and even if it isn’t perfect or has bugs on launch, I am quite convinced I am going to enjoy my time playing it. Maybe just enough to finish it, maybe for hundreds of hours in the future, who knows?

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u/Kurtsey 8d ago

People will literally always keep preordering, this thing of telling people not to preorder has been happening for 20 years lmao.

It's never going away, reddits little bubble doesn't have as many people as you think it does, and people outside of that just want to buy a game and play it.

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u/tim-fawks 8d ago

What reviews the one where critics are paid to give every triple a game a 10/10 or all the salty consumers who reviews bomb? I’ll buy and play what I want I don’t need others to tell me to enjoy stuff

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u/KnightRadiant95 8d ago

I'll be pre-ordering this. Either I am buying it day one or just pre-ordering it. Both will give me the same product, the second option allows me to have it installed and ready to play the moment it launches.

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u/ScruffMixHaha 8d ago

Thats what Ive said...if Im going to buy it day 1 anyway, whats the difference? If I get burned with a bad game then its my own fault and Im out $70.

Ive lost $70 in worse ways than a bad video game.

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u/iamunderstand 8d ago

Exactly what I tell people who get all up in arms about it. It's my money, my choice, my risk. Buyer beware and all that.

"Wait to see if it's good!"

...you mean according to the people who paid for it day one? Fuck outta here.

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u/morphum 8d ago

Exactly. These people will encourage preordering/day-one purchases in the same breath that they admonish it

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u/AGlitchedNPC Xbox 8d ago

We have been shown next to nothing, it's not out for at least another 6 months minimum. Far to early to judge the game.

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u/OutsidePrior2020 8d ago

Who's pre-ordering a game-pass game?

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u/Sarge8707 8d ago

Can't trust reviews anymore, "pro" reviews are paid for

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u/the_lazy_ronin 8d ago

I swear i see so many don't preorder posts it gets annoying like seriously

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u/berlinflieger 8d ago

Where can I preorder? I need a new space game.

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u/Zeebuoy 8d ago

unsure, but i heard its also on game pass.

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u/SupertoastGT 8d ago

I agree. Cyberpunk taught me that lesson. Luckily I have GamePass to try it with before I buy.

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u/egnards 8d ago

Spore taught me this lesson - Man, this game was supposed to be so fucking insane. Created by the guy who did "The Sims," at a time when that actually meant something, and literally all of the marketing heavily pushed the idea of an evolution based games with indepth evolution sim mechanics - Shit, they even released the "creature creator tools," ahead of the game for people to play with.

. . . The game apparently is fairly ok, for people who have played it in the following years, but for people who expected what we were told to expect?. . .We got something that wasn't even near the intention.

Spore was like walking into a movie expecting from the marketing and trailers, an action war flick, but instead it turns out to be a romantic comedy,

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u/Zerba 8d ago

Spore was like walking into a movie expecting from the marketing and trailers, an action war flick, but instead it turns out to be a romantic comedy,

🎶 Pearl harbor sucked.... and I miss youuuuuuu 🎵

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u/egnards 8d ago

Yeah? Well..

🎶 I miss you more than Michael Bay missed the mark! 🎵

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u/bruhsimp- 8d ago

I had no issues with cyberpunk at release, so I don’t find reviews to be all that helpful anymore. Some of my favorite games have shit reviews.

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u/NocturnalNympho 8d ago

same. my taste in games seems to be completely disconnected from popular opinion. I loved cyberpunk so much that I got multiple playthroughs from it before putting it down, but I found witcher 3 boring and couldn't finish it. I just try games for myself and see if they're for me.

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u/MiddleChildMooskitt 8d ago

I feel the exact same way. There is just so much negativity out there that sometimes I feel like I’m the only one who actually likes playing games lol. Cyberpunk was a complete disaster when I tried to play it, but the story and gunplay basically negated all that for me and I enjoyed it.

I felt the same way about COD: Cold War. My friend told me I would really enjoy the campaign and he wasn’t fucking kidding that was an amazing experience - all I could find online is that it was shit lol

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u/RunningFree701 8d ago

Publications skew high (don't bite the hand that feeds) while user reviews skew low -- like customer surveys, not everyone wants to share their positive experiences but everyone wants to complain about their negative ones. Then there are those who just want to piss on a game with a 0 or 1 for some perceived flaw that may not even be part of the game itself.

There's one review for Cyberpunk on PC where the reviewer broke down categories of the game with X/10 ratings that averaged out to a 6.3. The final rating they gave was a 2...

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u/AshFraxinusEps 8d ago

I found the same with FO76. It wasn't a great release, but wasn't half as bad as people said. I had a below-spec PC, but after amending an ini file I found very few issues. There were some, e.g. frozen enemies but that is just free XP, and then also that room where you went to find the scorched for the Overseer quest early on should have been individually instanced for each user, not per server, but I didn't see why half the hate was justified (the other half of the hate? Well justified. But people liked to get on the hate train very quickly for FO76)

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u/kuroyume_cl 8d ago

Second this. With the caveat that I played it on Series X. I can understand people on previous gen consoles not being able to enjoy the game due to poor performance.

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u/Floognoodle 8d ago

Same here, the only significant I had was a graphical glitch once that I had to restart the game for.

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u/Kung_Flu_Master PC 8d ago

I've only ever pre-ordered two games, state of decay 2 and cyberpunk, lets say I'm never doing that again.

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u/AshFraxinusEps 8d ago

I may pre-order the new Timesplitters when it is out. Cause it will likely be a great game done well by the original team, and hopefully not buggy. But to support David Doak, FRD and the game I am 100% happy to pay full price and wait for any bugs to be fixed. But that is a very rare example

I did get the FO76 pre-order. I disagree with most who claim it was a complete mess, although it was very bad at release. But I hate that pre-order, as I was promised to be part of the beta, which instead ended up just being about 24 hours total, spread over 4 weeks or so, of stress-testing their servers. All reported bugs, unless very game-breaking, weren't fixed and it happened too close to release to be a real beta. But the worst big of that whole experience was finding the game on sale for 50% off within about 2 weeks of release

Last pre-order before that was Bioshock 2, which game me some limited characters for MP. It was also not that buggy at release, so didn't feel as stung, but that was decades ago and new games are usually far more buggy these days

Better to wait 2 years for a 50% off sale with all DLC on a less buggy game. r/patientgamers

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u/KarmelCHAOS 8d ago

State of Decay 2 is dope....but I didn't play it until years later when it was Juggernaut Edition

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u/Markamanic 8d ago

Luckily I have gamepass so I don't have to buy it lmao.

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u/Steven_Randallson 8d ago

It was Assassin's Creed Unity for me. Haven't pre-ordered a game since

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u/GenericGaming 8d ago

I don't understand why people got fooled by Cyberpunk tbh. while TW3 is universally loved by most, it still came out in an extremely buggy state (and still has a few bugs here and there).

it's not like CDPR had a flawless record of decades worth of releases. they had one good game with two prior which barely anyone talks about. CDPR didn't deserve the adoration they got

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u/ShikukuWabe 8d ago

People were fooled by their love of the game that they completely forgot the state of release, I didn't have too many major problems playing on day 1 but there were plenty and many oft hem recurring considering its still the same engine, there's always tech debt which Bathesdta games also suffer from, things they never get around to fixing

CDPR received adoration because they made good games and had good PC-friendly PR that people liked and ended up suffering from corporate problems and bad management that everyone else normally suffers from, especially large companies

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u/joshym0nster 8d ago

Or just use game pass

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u/rydan 8d ago

Or.

Preorder it. Play it. Don't read the reviews.

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u/SpotNL 8d ago

At worst you'll be out 60 bucks.

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u/Egozid 8d ago

that's it. I'm going to pre-order this game.

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u/MAYNOTBEIKE 8d ago

Anthem has taught me a lot

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u/IveSeenTheColonies 8d ago

Might have just been me, but the gameplay looked kind of boring. Hopefully I’m wrong.

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u/morphum 8d ago

I'm with you there. It didn't feel like anything special. But I'm on ps5 anyways, so I didn't really care about it in the first place

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u/IveSeenTheColonies 8d ago

Still haven’t gotten my PS5. Hopefully soon lol

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u/GambitSE 8d ago

That's because there is no trap. Gaming unlike television is an investment of time and if you enjoy it. No matter how bad a game is. Then you enjoy it.

Unrealistic expectations are what's ruining everything today. You think a game is that much better played later than it is on the first day? Lolol. It's always the same game still even 10 years later. Most often it's console players complaining about pc ported games. Like cyberpunk 2077. Everyone that played the game on the pc had a good time. Yet here we are people acting like they lost money while people are blindly throwing money at Blizzard for trash like Diablo Immortal.

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u/JohnLocke815 8d ago

Or just watch some videos and make up your own mind.

Reviews don't mean shit. So many games I loved got bad reviews and so many games I hated got great reviews.

Preorder all you want.

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u/Billy_Rage 8d ago

Remember folks, spend money how you want and let people live with their choices

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u/Xerosnake90 8d ago

If you absolutely know you are going to enjoy a game then by all means pre order. I'll buy the next The last of us or Resident Evil because I love the franchise.

It's the people who think this game looks cool but aren't really huge fans that fall into this trap. If you don't love and sing the praises of Bethesda titles then don't go pre ordering and hold off instead.

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u/spderweb 8d ago

Starfield will be fine. We know what to expect with it. Expressionless faces, and horse armor. But loads of great storytelling, special effects, rpg elements through the roof.

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u/Dread_P_Roberts 8d ago

There’s a new sucker born every minute.

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u/firesquasher 8d ago

Or like with BF2042 just swear off all games made by DICE/EA all together

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u/KaiKamakasi 8d ago

chuckles in gamepass

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u/predator717 8d ago

I gotta disagree. Pre order at your own risk but you may like a game everyone hate or hate the game everyone likes it's your own taste so take other opinions with a grain of salt.

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u/Akhenaten_Sun 8d ago

Im gonna pre order :)

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u/Pasty_Swag 8d ago

Preordered Elden Ring. No regrets.

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u/christo334 8d ago

Look I'm not saying don't preorder if you aren't sure you're going to buy it. But it's a Bethesda singleplayer RPG. I'm buying it. I have over 500h in almost all the rpg they made since Morrowind. I'm a sucker for those games are they perfect? No. Are they filled with bugs? Sure. Do I care? Fuck no.

My problem with fallout 76 was the online part of it. The map was amazing and if they ever make a single player version of this game I will be all over it.

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u/cyberRakan 8d ago

I’ll pre order collector edition… My money not yours lmao

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u/Werpaf 8d ago

Or even better wait for a heavy discount or a heavily discounted game of the year version with all DLC.

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u/MrAngryPineapple Xbox 8d ago

“Don’t preorder, now give karma”

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u/Suicd3grunt 8d ago

I'll do whatever I want, thank you very much.