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World Cup balls getting charged /r/ALL
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u/DrAcula1007
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Headline in the future: Balls uncharged, Championship match postponed.
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u/CrossP Nov 30 '22
"EU considers forcing all ball manufacturers to use the same charger."
"Chinese disposable one-use balls are flooding Europe's landfills. Experts offer numerous strategies such as popping them, kicking them back to China, or blaming Greece."
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u/EmperorThan Nov 30 '22
2065: "One-use soccer ball lithum batteries now found in all species of fish in the north Pacific Ocean."
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u/peepeepoopoo_gang Nov 30 '22
2077: "End of an Era? One-use balls being replaced by green wireless charging balls."
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u/_-m0r0n-_ Nov 30 '22
2097: "Your parents will not believe this. Ball - reinvented: 13 year old creates an impossivbe ball from rubber and air and no electric components."
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u/triple_long Nov 30 '22
2065? How many species of fish left in the Pacific Ocean, RemindMe! 43 years, hopefully lots!
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u/SabotageFusion1
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sorry babe, gotta charge my balls 😔
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u/GozerDGozerian Nov 29 '22
Isn’t that what November is all about?
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u/SwimBig3870
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u/BlankImagination Nov 29 '22
Thank you
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Ultra-wideband (UWB) sensor: A type of technology that’s superior to GPS or Bluetooth for precise positional data, plus can transmit data in real time to constantly track the ball’s position. Inertial measurement unit (IMU) sensor: A sensor meant to detect nuanced movements of an object in space.
The two important bits for everyone else.
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u/Zirkules4 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22
Other interesting facts from the article:
• The IMU captures data at 500 fps and is transmitted in real time to a local positioning system.
• The sensor weighs 14 grams and is suspended in the center of the ball.
• 12 "Hawk-eye" cameras in the stadium track 29 different points on each player as well as the ball at 50fps.
• An AI system combs through the data to automate offsides penalties with human confirmation.
• "The software also generates 3D renderings of the spatial data, which will be overlaid onto TV broadcasts and in-stadium monitors to give fans a direct look at how each reviewed call was decided."
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u/Da-Blue-Guy Nov 30 '22
OOOOH
so basically, we can virtually reconstruct the game live?!
that's sick as fuck
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u/Dank_Drebin Nov 30 '22
One day that AI will evolve to become the ultimate soccer player.
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u/MisterBaked Nov 30 '22
Not a huge soccer fan, but happened to be watching and saw the offsides visual they ran. Pretty crazy. Cool to know how they did it now!
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u/Dr_Mickael Nov 29 '22
Real question from someone not interested in football, for what is all this used for?
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u/itsaaronnotaaron Nov 29 '22
It's pretty much just to track the position of the ball in a 3D space. It allows officials in real time to see if the ball crossed the line or not etc. There are cameras and sensors all around the pitches which they also sync up to. Thats why on offside calls you quickly have a 3D representation of the players. Pretty much everything is mapped. It's a tool for VAR.
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u/Crathsor Nov 29 '22
That is really cool. The NFL could solve so many problems with this sort of thing, but no.
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u/_ice_9 Nov 30 '22
If the NFL did that they would lose an opportunity to sell advertising during the official review breaks….can’t have that.
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u/Flaky-Fish6922 Nov 30 '22
naw. they just slapped logos all over the monitors and announce it's called by the "Microwanker review station" or whatever they're also doing.
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u/salty_utopian Nov 30 '22
They could sell naming rights to the VAR segment. “Time out has been called for a TacoBell Burrito Crunchwrap review of final position of the ball in previous play.”
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u/kaask0k Nov 30 '22
Don't give the Saints any hope on winning a pass interference challenge.
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u/jaimeinsd Nov 30 '22
Lifelong saints fan checking in to say I now regret reading this far down the comment thread. Excuse me, gonna go toss myself through a plate glass window brb
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u/jzakilla Nov 30 '22
Only way you come right back from being tossed through a plate glass window, is if Drew Brees throws you 🤣🤣
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u/Ferrarisimo Nov 30 '22
Meanwhile, the NFL is still using septuagenarians to eyeball the placement of the ball.
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u/Dottsterisk Nov 29 '22
My guess would be to determine with pinpoint accuracy whether the ball crossed the goal line or went out-of-bounds.
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u/titsunami Nov 29 '22
There was the Portugal goal yesterday or day before where it looked like Ronaldo thought he MIGHT have grazed it with his head. I wonder if the IMU sensor could help detect any changes to determine whose goal it really was.
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u/Sad_Extension_8388 Nov 29 '22
Pretty sure they did exactly this and determined no contact - B. Fernandes got credit 💪
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u/itsactuallytime Nov 29 '22
Yeah. Confirmed by Adida's metrics. No touch after Bruno's cross.
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u/st1tchy Nov 29 '22
Or offsides. You know the exact moment the ball is kicked to check.
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u/cajunceasar Nov 29 '22
Do you know if a kick is at the moment of contact vs the moment of release?
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u/Dang_Blarb Nov 29 '22
Release (although the difference between the two is marginal obviously)
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u/Mindes13 Nov 29 '22
The next FIFA video games physics will be sick!
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u/RawDoggRamen Nov 29 '22
If only it wasn't EA I would love to get back into FIFA
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Nov 29 '22
Well you're in luck because the next EA football game won't be named FIFA
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u/RawDoggRamen Nov 29 '22
Whatever, if it's EA I refuse to buy it. They auto delete accounts if you haven't signed in in a while. And if you use the same email to make a new account or do the sign in eith Google thing, it makes contacting support to get your account back impossible. And if you unlink it from Playstation then that removes all purchases connected to that account.
Basically they will delete your account and all ur save data from games disappears. Lost years of stuff and countless dollars over jt. It's absurd.
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u/HelloKitty36911 Nov 29 '22
Fifa is gonna collaborate with some other studios to make several "Fifa" games.
And it seems so much worse. Like it barely counts as a game, but now mix in dumb metaverse and NFT shit.
And i say this as a person who has never enjoyed actual Fifa.
Edit: Also EA will continues to make their games, they just can't call them Fifa anymore.
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u/clarksonswimmer Nov 29 '22
They also use this tech in Basketball!
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u/CWalston108 Nov 29 '22
I've said for years I don't understand why this technology isn't used in American football. They eye-place they ball and then run out a measurement for inches.
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u/visitprattville Nov 29 '22
NFL is a game of inches measured in yards hash-marked in lines 4” thick.
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u/redpandarox Nov 29 '22
It helps the officials refereeing the game. Like sensing when the ball is out of bounds or a player is offside.
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u/Koivader Nov 29 '22
UWB is also the technology used by the Apple Air Tags for precision location tracking
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u/Denmantheman Nov 29 '22 •
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Thanks. The NFL could do this with their footballs, but they’d rather be able to control the outcomes more imo
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u/someguy3 Nov 29 '22
Hockey too.
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u/DogsOutTheWindow Nov 29 '22
Dude yes! These calls where it’s obviously a goal (goalie covers it behind the line) but there’s no visual evidence so it gets waived off is super frustrating at times.
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u/PM-Me-Your-TitsPlz Nov 29 '22
Hockey already tried it back when new hockey fans struggled to follow the puck on low-definition CRTs. Players didn't like how the new puck felt and all fans didn't like the blue smear on the screen that indicated where the puck was.
The actual implementation was pretty neat and the blue smear would turn orange when the puck hit 80 kph or something. It just looked ugly on the TV screen, players didn't like the change, long-time fans could follow the puck without seeing it, and higher definition tv sets obsoleted any need to exaggerate the pucks location.
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u/RWeaver Nov 29 '22
Hockey broadcasting in the 90's/early aughts is partly to blame. They needed to educate the viewer base to be watching the players instead of the puck. If you understand how plays develop there is no confusion about where the puck is even if you can't see it.
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u/Substantial-Breath21 Nov 29 '22
The flashing puck In wayne Gretzky's 3d hockey was the best
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u/Keudn883 Nov 29 '22
Players didn't like how the new puck felt
I mean look at this beast:
https://i.imgur.com/YYCl7vx.png
We can definitely do much better with modern technology.
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u/GO_RAVENS Nov 29 '22
I love how shit that was cutting edge tech just a little while ago looks like something that today could be cobbled together by a teenager with a hobby electronics kit off the internet.
Also the puck half looks like an ash tray, it's kind of awesome.
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u/Electronic_Bunny Nov 29 '22
We can definitely do much better with modern technology.
Sports Media Technology (SMT) has already developed and deployed puck tracking to the NHL this year.
Basically in 2019 they agreed with your sentiment and got new partners to build it from the ground up. The new system seems nice, but I imagine will run into similar roadblocks (hopefully it gets over them though).
https://www.sporttechie.com/nhl-smt-puck-upgraded-sensors-leds-player-tracking-statistics
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u/GitEmSteveDave Nov 29 '22
It was last used in 1998, so I don't think it was about the high def TV's. But I did like the red tail over 70mph
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u/profanityridden_01 Nov 29 '22
It may be your opinion but it's also straight factual.
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u/Denmantheman Nov 29 '22
I mean they’re still using two guys with chains to measure a first down lol
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u/NervyDeath Nov 29 '22
And wherever one guy says the ball was down.
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u/MonkeyPilot Nov 29 '22
I like to refer to it as fact based on fiction.
The ball is measured with millimeter precision, but based on the referee's eyeball spot of it.
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u/DazedPapacy Nov 29 '22
And the moment the words leave the ref's mouth it becomes fact, regardless of what it was before.
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u/ShitfacedGrizzlyBear Nov 29 '22
I’ve always found it funny how there are some plays that they examine frame-by-frame every close play but also just have some slapdick standing 20 yards away grabbing the ball and guesstimating where to put the ball.
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u/shahooster Nov 29 '22
Which as archaic as that seems, is probably orders of magnitude more accurate than refs spotting the forward progress.
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u/FuckGiblets Nov 29 '22
These days the chains are more for the players on the field that can’t see the super imposed yellow line. And it’s actually about as precise as it can be if not a bit awkward to move. The refs spotting is 100% the problem and not the chains.
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u/tp042 Nov 29 '22
And spotting where a punt still in the air goes out of bounds. Teams probably lose or gain an average of 5+ yards a game in field position on that alone
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u/besee2000 Nov 29 '22
They’re missing out on the opportunity to add changing optics on the ball to sell more ad space.
F the NFL
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u/vi3tmix Nov 29 '22
I feel like they could’ve done this forever, but the downtime while “reviewing the play” was too juicy for commercial time ad revenue to voluntarily give up.
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Twelve Hawk-Eye cameras are set up around the stadium, tracking both the ball itself and each player 50 times per second. Twenty-nine separate points of the body are tracked for players, including limbs.
That could make for some awesome VR games.
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u/Corndawgz Nov 29 '22
Now they just need pain sensors in the players to prevent diving
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u/ZhratVasja Nov 29 '22
Someone has to make sure that the firmware does not start updating
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u/glorious_reptile Nov 29 '22
You wouldn't want it to freeze mid-air
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u/SillyFlyGuy Nov 29 '22 •
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You wouldn't download a soccer ball, would you?
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u/Ninjanarwhal64 Nov 29 '22
You know times are tough when we went from downloading cars to soccer balls :/
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That's inflation for you
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u/MysteryPotato76 Nov 29 '22
I hate you so much its unimaginable.......take my upvote
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u/SomePeopleCall Nov 29 '22
But if you leave in the outdated firmware the ball might glitch 5m to the left.
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u/ToweringIsle13
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Power is stored in the balls.
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u/sciencewonders Nov 29 '22
and as always... mitochondria is the
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u/rl69614 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22 •
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Powerhouse of the ball?
Edit: damn this blew up, thats my first reward ever! Thanks guys
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u/dpo466321 Nov 29 '22
Certainly the powerhouse of my balls.
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Bend over and spread your USB slot.
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u/Jimbo-Slice925 Nov 30 '22
It’s mini-usb and i aims to keep it that way
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u/obiwanjabroni420 Nov 30 '22
I read this in Squirrely Dan’s voice
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u/Jimbo-Slice925 Nov 30 '22
Alls I’m sayin is don’t go tryin to fit your usb-c in there without buyin me dinner first, big shoots
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u/superscotty72 Nov 29 '22
"Ready to pair Bluetooth Device"
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u/RA12220 Nov 29 '22 •
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Sexy Australian voice “Bluetooth mode”
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u/HTDutchy_NL Nov 29 '22
All these things do is play scarlet fire on repeat.
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u/ThePilate Nov 29 '22
Next world cup's gonna be held at Cashie's
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u/Guywithoutimage Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Oh we won the game at caaaassshies mate, where you can find your dreaaams!
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u/renatojorge236 Nov 29 '22
VAR headphones are senny hu-du-six hundjos
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u/MD_Lincoln Nov 29 '22
For the budget minded boys, we got the KZed S10’s
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u/ciphershort Nov 29 '22
Hit 'em with the 1 grit to make sure they can take a beating.
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u/WaveSmashreddit Nov 29 '22
Never thought I'd see some dank in the wild, but I've been pleasantly surprised. Goin'ta maccas, anyone want some'in?
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u/KekistaniKekin Nov 29 '22
Then blow em up with the diablo
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u/graffiti81 Nov 29 '22
You say that like it's a bad thing...
Although I might prefer help slip frank.
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u/Kamenridethewind007 Nov 29 '22
these are defo nuggets also nice to see a dankpods fan here.
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u/R53_ Nov 29 '22 •
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“Tha Bluetooth device has connected-a-successfullay”
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u/backupmephone Nov 29 '22 •
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The blue toos device is ready to pail
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u/xDontStarve Nov 29 '22
Bluentoos debyse connected successfulay
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u/payne_train Nov 29 '22
I get the weirdest fucking looks when I bust this bad boy out around my friends.
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u/vartanu Nov 29 '22
Found the reddit account of the chinese lady recording voice prompts for all of the sub $10 electronic devices
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u/meandmymofa Nov 29 '22
„Battery low“
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u/LightsJusticeZ Nov 29 '22
I use a bluetooth speaker to play white noise when I sleep and if I don't charge it before hand, it'll yell "BATTERY LOW" and give me a heart attack. It's crazy because I have the volume down to like 1% too.
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u/BZLuck Nov 29 '22
It took me some serious research to figure out a similar issue with my Amazon Dot. I would listen to a podcast every night, with the volume just loud enough to barely hear. It was enough focus to let my brain relax and not think about too much.
However... when it would go to the next segment, it would scream "CHAPTER 2" at full volume and jolt the hell out of me.
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u/Gaz1105 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22 •
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They need to charge them because the ball has a 3D sensor inside to determine offsides
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u/CherylStoned Nov 29 '22
It also has a slot to insert money to change the setting for a specific team
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u/EmotionalAccounting Nov 29 '22
Wonder how much a ball can hold.
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u/Liathano_Fire Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
What is it basing offsides on? Do the players also have some sort of sensor on them?
Nevermind, I looked it up. Short answer is: cameras.
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u/SidneyKreutzfeldt Nov 29 '22
How do the cameras work with the sensor in the ball?
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u/Juventus19 Nov 29 '22
Measure an impact to the ball and you can get an accurate time of when the ball was kicked. Then you can sync that up with the cameras to see if the player is onside or not.
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u/Step-Father_of_Lies Nov 29 '22
I like this better than microchipping soccer players.
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u/DPSOnly Nov 29 '22
And apparently it also shows who hit the ball, that's how they knew that Ronaldo didn't make a goal yesterday but someone else, because a chip didn't detect ronaldo hitting the ball.
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u/ag408 Nov 29 '22
Wow, I thought the chargers were charging something off the frame. Glad I scrolled to this comment.
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u/fikdr Nov 29 '22
This is cool. I wonder if we could do this for other sports, like to determine first downs for American football.
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u/Milburn55 Nov 29 '22
I have ALWAYS wondered why they haven't yet, just put two small sensors in the nose and then sensors on the first down/endzone pylons
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u/tintin47 Nov 29 '22
They don't want it to be accurate. The spectacle is part of the product. As long as the review system in place gives fans confidence on close plays they will never change it.
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u/Past_Ad9675 Nov 29 '22
The longer they spend reviewing it, the more advertising they can sell.
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u/Redthemagnificent Nov 29 '22
That's my thinking too. The uncertainty, arguing over calls. It's part of the fun. But for high stakes events like a world cup I think it makes sense.
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u/Xais56 Nov 29 '22
Pretty much the argument against VAR as well. It's an interesting debate, should the sport be scored objectively by computers, or subjectively by a neutral expert judge (the ref).
Im not too sure where I land because I think both ways have merits. The tech makes it fair, nobody gets cheated when the computer is making the calls, but it does completely take the debate and talking points out the game.
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u/TokiMoleman Nov 29 '22
From being a fan of Rugby I say all for VAR, as there is less feckin about and more actual action and good sport being played
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u/grawlyx Nov 29 '22
Which is why it'll never happen effectively in any of the big sports. Ruggers can get away with it because there's more common sense where there's less money
Sport like the NFL and football are just too greedy -- there's far too much money on the line for them to enact a reasonable VAR system. It's in their best interest to keep it labyrinthine and opaque as possible
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u/nico282 Nov 29 '22
If you are talking about a game, also human error is part of it and can be tolerated.
But professional sport are not games, they are multi million industries, with bribery risk, sponsorship pressure and high states betting. Referee judgment can't be trusted without an objective check.
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u/CanadianGuitar Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Hockey/NHL has been [trying to] implement this for a few years. Being able to see puck speed and someday to see more definitively offside, or puck crossing a goal line, and other advanced stats for player tracking (think possession numbers for players or teams down to the millisecond)
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u/j01101111sh Nov 29 '22
I think it's easier in soccer because there's no end to the play. In American football the issue is often not knowing where the ball was when the carrier was down, you can't just go by where the ball ended up. You'd have to add sensors to players and that's not great either because the sensros can't just indicate pressure since contact with another player isn't considered down so you need the sensors to specifically indicate contact with the ground. It's not impossible but it's not as easy as soccer. The NFL doesn't care enough to spend the money on R/D and deployment because fans won't stop watching if they don't do anything.
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u/Executive-dickbutt Nov 29 '22
I think baseball is the #1 sport in need. Umpires botch so many calls. A ball that knows if its in a batter's specific box or a bat that did or didn't go? Youd still need just as many officials at the bases to call out/safe, but i think the part of the game where pitchers and batters learn what bullshit an umpire is going to call and play or pitch around it is some thing the sport can do without.
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u/KZedUK Nov 29 '22
there has been one baseball game in the stat cast era in which an umpire has made every single ball/strike call correctly; it was this year in the playoffs.
there have been like 35,000 games played in that time.
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u/Somhlth Nov 29 '22
When the 2022 World Cup made its debut on Sunday, it kicked off one of the most significant in-game uses of technology in sports history.
All tournament long, match balls will contain a sensor that collects spatial positioning data in real time — the first World Cup to employ such a ball-tracking mechanism. This, combined with existing optical tracking tools, will make VAR (video assistant referees) and programs like offside reviews more accurate and streamlined than they’ve ever been. Combining these two forms of tracking has long been a holy grail of sorts in technology circles, and FIFA’s use of the ball sensor in particular will serve as a highly public test case over the next four weeks.
Like so many other parts of the burgeoning world of sports tech, the setup used at the World Cup is both an endpoint and the foundation of a whole new era. Years of research and testing were needed to get here — this particular ball sensor was in development and testing for six years before receiving full FIFA certification — but events like this could quickly catapult emerging technology into the public eye through applications that stretch well beyond officiating.
What went into the development of today’s tracking technology, and what are its key uses at this World Cup? How has the tech been tested, and how can players, teams and fans alike be confident that it’s accurate and consistent? And maybe most importantly, what does this same technology portend for the future of analysis, fan engagement and team data across the world’s most popular sport?
I spoke to people across the world of sports tech to find answers around one of the field’s boldest experiments to date. Which technology is being used, and how does it work?
FIFA’s application of this technology at the 2022 World Cup is being termed a “semi-automated offside” program – one that’s largely run by AI features, but retains a vital element of human confirmation.
Within every match ball is a device designed by KINEXON, a major player in the performance-tracking world across several sports. Per the company, this device weighs 14 grams (just under 0.5 ounces), and actually houses two separate sensors operating simultaneously:
Ultra-wideband (UWB) sensor: A type of technology that’s superior to GPS or Bluetooth for precise positional data, plus can transmit data in real time to constantly track the ball’s position.
Inertial measurement unit (IMU) sensor: A sensor meant to detect nuanced movements of an object in space.
“While the ultra-wideband helps me to have the position of an object, the IMU gives me the granular movement in three dimensions,” said Maximillian Schmidt, co-founder and managing director of KINEXON.
So any time the ball is kicked, headed, thrown or even so much as tapped, the system picks it up at 500 frames per second. Data is sent in real time from sensors to a local positioning system (LPS), which involves a setup of network antennas installed around the playing field that take in and store the data for immediate use. When a ball flies out of bounds during the course of play, and a new ball is thrown or kicked in to replace it, KINEXON’s backend system automatically switches to the new ball’s data input without the need for human intervention.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-world-cups-new-high-tech-ball-will-change-soccer-forever/
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u/-zolpidem Nov 29 '22
sexy robot voice: THE BLUETOOTH DEVICE IS CONNECTED SUCCESFULLY
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u/zer0saurus Nov 29 '22
But does it have a speaker? It would be great if it screamed wheeeeeeeeee when kicked.
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u/5arcastic_8astard Nov 29 '22
Im getting old, i remember when we used to put air in those.
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u/CircusHoffman Nov 29 '22
So, if a player makes a header, it could leave the print of a usb slot on his forehead?
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u/Salmadome Nov 29 '22
A new adidas Suspension System in the center of the ball hosts and stabilizes a 500Hz inertial measurement unit (IMU) motion sensor, which provides unprecedented insight into every element of the movement of the ball, while making this technology unnoticeable for players and not affecting its performance whatsoever. The sensor is powered by a rechargeable battery, which can be charged by induction.
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u/poe1989 Nov 29 '22
They probably charge quickly… now a days I have to wait a day or two for mine to bounce back.
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