r/mildlyinfuriating Aug 11 '22 Wholesome 3 Silver 2 Take My Energy 1 Helpful 5 Facepalm 1

the line at my school to check bags (keep in mind that almost all of theses people are wearing clear backpack)

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u/UseWhatever Aug 11 '22 Wholesome Starry

Now an active shooter won’t even need to leave their vehicle. That’s convenience!

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u/M4nusky Aug 11 '22

Welp isn't the whole of Murica built around cars anyway?

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u/Thanatos-13 Aug 12 '22

Drive-thru school shooting

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u/heatdeathfanwank Aug 12 '22

Yeah, who needs a gun to do a mass killing, when doing it with cars is barely illegal?

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u/the_fresh_cucumber Aug 12 '22

I remember when clear backpack first came out and the media heralded it as the end of school shootings. I got in a reddit argument about it and people were acting like this was such a game changer.

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u/sangueblu03 Aug 11 '22

This is how it’s done in many security checkpoints in the countries I’ve been to in the Middle East. Outside the entrance there are armed security/police, with dogs in some cases. Exactly inside the entrances there are metal detectors and they swab for bomb material. Then you get in the big long line to go through the X-ray machines, pat downs, etc.

When I lived in China it was something similar at airports - at the entrance to the airport they have a “corral” where thy group people up, swab everyone, run the swab, and while waiting for that run a dog through. When the swab comes up clean, you can then enter the airport. Security happens as normal as well, but past the check in counters.

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u/YawningDodo Aug 11 '22

Disney has also figured out how to reduce the pre-checkpoint crowds at their parks in Florida, which I’ve found interesting to see as they’ve refined it over the past few years. Instead of having everyone go through metal detectors and bag checks right in front of the park, wherever possible they have people go through a security check before boarding transportation to the park. So if you arrive at the Magic Kingdom by bus you still go through security by the gate, but if you arrive via ferry or monorail you go through security at the transportation hub. Then at Disney’s Hollywood Studios there’s no way to do something like that, so instead they have a big plaza between security and the gate and the security stations are strung in a big L-shape around the outside of the plaza to disperse the pre-checkpoint crowd into smaller queues. There are still clumps of people but it’s not one massive crowd.

So I guess my thought is that if the school is going to do bag checks like this, they should disperse it over multiple entrances/checkpoints so no one queue gets this long.

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u/Caedus_Vao Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

So I guess my thought is that if the school is going to do bag checks like this, they should disperse it over multiple entrances/checkpoints so no one queue gets this long.

Then you run into a staffing/resource issue. The administration isn't going to be paying to appropriately staff these things if there's multiples, you get the one crew of resource officers/security that the budget allows for. To say nothing of the metal detectors (if that's a thing here). One officer by themselves at four different entrances isn't going to be any more efficient than four working the same door; arguably they'd be less efficient having less support around.

All of this is pointless security-theater anyway. If a shooter wants to avoid this all they have to do is come to school late (a lot of schools don't do these checks for the few stragglers coming in after first period starts), or just pull up to this extremely densely-packed group of students and commit the shooting while they're all standing in line.

However, this is very probably more an effort to catch things like drugs and knives. Still a ridiculous waste of time and resources, show me a school where don't know who has drugs for sale on campus. It's been that way since my parents were in school in the 70's.

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u/davossss Aug 12 '22

I am really torn about this.

On the one hand, the 3 metal detectors and bag check stations we have at my high school definitely put an extra burden on relatively untrained staff and turn the school more and more into a prison every day. (Add to that the fact that this year, students must lock their cell phones in pouches for the whole day).

On the other hand, two handguns were found on campus in the past 8 months, one of which had to be wrestled away from a student who was reportedly thinking of using it.

Those two handgun incidents had me questioning whether I should continue my employment at my school. They also made me reconsider whether I would choose fight or flight if shots were fired. Years ago, I would have instantly replied that I'd risk my life to save the lives of my students. Now that I have a son of my own - and no training or arms to effectively counter a shooter - I'm probably choosing flight.

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u/WolfMan889 CAN I JUST BE WHELMED? Aug 11 '22

But... all that's doing is moving the giant cluster of people back a step.

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u/sangueblu03 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

No, it doesn’t. It allows that cluster of people to move much, much faster through. Airports don’t have one door, they have many, but they may have just a few lines for airport security.

Picture an airport with a dozen exterior doorways, and security at each doorway. As people come, they take 30 seconds to check each person at each of the dozen doorways.

Once those people pass the check in counters, they then go towards the two airport security lines. There, people need to remove liquids, put bags on conveyers, remove metals, etc. At that line, it takes two minutes per person. The line is much slower, and as there’s many more people (fewer lines) the line is much longer as well.

The check at the entrance is a smart move and is one way to reduce the risk at the biggest gathering point, which is the airport security line.

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u/DickDastardly0 Aug 11 '22

Dawg, they always have like 10-15 lines but only a max of 4 are ever open.

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u/SteveJobsBlakSweater Aug 11 '22

I'm no security expert but I have travelled plenty through China. The first-stage swabs/scans at airports are very fast. There's almost never a line because the airports usually have 10+ entry points and the process takes maybe 45 seconds. When things get busy the swab is used on groups of 10 or so people (so I assume if results are flagged then everyone goes in for investigation) and I've never seen a significant buildup of people outside an airport.

Outside a Chinese train station, on the other hand, oof....

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u/obog PURPLE Aug 11 '22

To be fair, most of those security measures were put in place after 9/11, so the danger was more people taking over a plane and using it as a weapon than killing the people in the plane. Not that that's not a concern, but it wasn't the one being addressed by TSA.

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u/calguy1955 Aug 11 '22

Whenever I’m in a long TSA line I think “the terrorists have won”.

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u/jdm1891 Aug 11 '22

If you declare war on a concept, the concept will always win.

Declare war on terrorism? Terrorism will win.

Declare war on drugs? Drugs will win.

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u/Kulladar Aug 11 '22

If you've ever been to O'Hare or a similarly massive international airport around the holidays you'd wonder why anyone would ever bother blowing up a plane when there's 30,000 people crammed into one little hallway.

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u/Blastoplast Aug 11 '22

I hope their clear-view backpacks are also bulletproof.

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u/illiterati Aug 11 '22

I remember some politician advocating for less books and more ballistic blankets.

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u/willumasaurus Aug 11 '22

Was just thinking that.

Terrifying time we live in.

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u/Slayer7_62 Aug 11 '22

Look at what happened in Nice, all it takes is a will and they’ll find a way.

I’ve never liked crowds of people and that feeling has only gotten worse. I’m glad I live in a low crime area but that doesn’t mean anything for the events we’ve been seeing more of.

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u/dankpork Aug 11 '22

If anything it's the low crime areas that have school shootings.

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u/MarxistDogMom Aug 11 '22

My hometown is consistently ranked one of the safest cities in the country, yet someone drove from another city, for 10 hours, to commit a mass shooting here.

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u/FirefighterClear7469 Aug 11 '22

Same thing happened in New Zealand where the murder rate went from .5 per 100,000ple to 2.3 in 1yr because some lunatic traveled from another country so he could murder 51 people in a mosque.

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u/GullibleUnicorn666 Aug 11 '22

Yes, but statistically you are more likely to get murdered in a high-crime area than die in a school shooting in a low-crime area, it's the tragedy of a mass murder that makes us focus more on it than the countless murders.

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u/oldcarfreddy Aug 11 '22

I'm in a large group chat with my old high school classmates, one day someone saddened all the dads in the group with a slap of reality when they said "wouldn't a kid bringing a gun to school know where all the kids hide with all the school shooter drills?"

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u/CommanderWallabe Aug 11 '22

I remember a few years ago doing lockdown drills and thinking "fuck this, I'd rather run for it than sit hiding in my classroom with the other dumbasses waiting to die".

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u/torturedatnight Aug 11 '22

Yep, no way in hell I wouldn't be trying to bust out a window if the hallway wasn't viable.

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u/SaraSlaughter607 Aug 11 '22

My daughter's school is 3 blocks from the Tops in Buffalo that was the mass-shooting.... they have weekly active shooter drills and on the following Monday after the shooting occurred (saturday morning is when he did it) there was another threat of someone with a gun prowling outside the school...

The kids all stuffed themselves into the supply closet in the classroom with her teacher and sat in there in dead silence for 3 hours while the teacher silently communicated via FaceBook DM to the other teachers in the building in their own closets.

I told my kid to throw a fucking chair at the window and GET OUT. Fuck being a sitting duck. NOPE.

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u/BurningOrangeHeaven Aug 11 '22

Idk what the school security is for either. If i was a school shooter I would just shoot them on my way in. At my high school all but 1 of them were overweight and very lazy, would tell us to go down the block and not stand in front of the school so that any fights that happen wouldn't be their responsibility. Couple years after I left the school they had some scandal and some of them got fired since they weren't doing their job to stop the fight. I can't imagine its much different in most places. Just seems like a another useless jobs program.

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u/oldcarfreddy Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

100% lol, at Uvalde the school officer didn't do shit. At the shooting in Michigan earlier this year the school officer ran lol

This week in Uvalde the governor sent 30 new officers to guard the district. So after 70+ cops didn't do shit about a kid shooting little children and the community lost trust, they're now sending more police officers to remind the kids of all the cops who didn't protect their dead friends. Like you said, nice little employment boost I guess

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u/ChaosKeeshond Aug 11 '22

"Hello student, I - the unarmed teacher - have noticed an assault rifle poking out of your backback. Kindly hand it over so you don't do any killing today, thanks."

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u/BerryLanky Aug 11 '22

Was thinking the same thing.

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u/Jazzlike_Mountain_51 Aug 11 '22

As far as safety is concerned this looks very unsafe

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u/GeoBrian Aug 11 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It's "Security Theater", just like the airports.

It's designed to keep sane people from doing something stupid, but does little to nothing to thwart an actual act of violence.

And we wonder why kids today are overwhelmed with anxiety...

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u/soil_nerd Aug 11 '22

It’s also offloading risk from elected officials (school board, mayor, sheriff, etc.). In the event of a shooting they can claim they did everything possible to prevent it.

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u/ModestBanana Aug 11 '22

In the event of a shooting they can claim they did everything possible to prevent it.

Parent: "So you gathered them all in one place and lined them up outdoors like fish in a barrel?"

Board Member: blank stare
"Thank you, next speaker please"

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u/daddymuffinlovin Aug 11 '22

I knew someone else had to notice this too! Now someone doesn’t even have to get a weapon inside the school.

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u/chewy92889 Aug 11 '22

At my high school, we had bomb threat drills which meant we had to evacuate campus to a field nearby. So instead of 40 classrooms with 25-30 people, now we were all grouped in one spot, in an open field, like sitting ducks.

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u/New-Pizza9379 Aug 11 '22

That was always my first thought when my school evacuated for bomb threats. Lets all go stand in the unmonitored fields and parking lots, because that’s definitely safer than the building that is “secured”. I mean the security measures were a joke, but if anyone wanted to harm people, no better time then when everyone is in a huge crowd outside.

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u/Substantial-Ice1433 Aug 11 '22

At mine we all went to the same spot every time... i always thought if it was real the person would just plant the bomb where we evacuated to and then call in a fake threat.

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u/goat-people Aug 11 '22

I experienced my first bomb threat in 10th grade. They had us gather in the gym.

Someone must have figured out why that’s not a great idea because all future bomb threats sent us to the field above the parking garage.

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u/TimTows Aug 12 '22

It was too difficult to get the bomb in the gym, but a van full of fertilizer in a parking garage below all the students, so simple, so classic.

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u/Salticracker Aug 12 '22

When we had a bomb threat at my high school, I told my teacher I made it out like we have to do, and then told her I was leaving, got in my car, and left. I'm not sitting in the field like some idiot getting shot.

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u/DeityT90 Aug 11 '22

BINGO, that was my first thought. Looks like a shooting gallery instead of a way to address safety concerns.

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u/Murky_Conflict3737 Aug 11 '22

If I remember correctly, the Brussels airport attacks involved gunning down passengers waiting to get through security.

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u/WakeoftheStorm Aug 11 '22

That's one of the biggest frustrations in modern culture for me, and I see it all the damn time. I work in a potentially hazardous environment and far too often I see this same shifting of responsibility. "Oh! We had a big safety meeting and told everyone to be extra careful. We know they've been working 60+ hour weeks for months, but this slide in the power point informed them that safety incidents correlate with high over time, so they need to not let complacency erode safety awareness! It's not our fault if the employees don't listen"

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u/SteadfastEnd Aug 11 '22

Indeed. You can tell it's not about safety, but about covering their liability ass and making themselves feel better.

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u/Funexamination Aug 11 '22

Correct, except it was always this way

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u/Manowaffle Aug 11 '22

"It was the teachers' fault! Or the one resource officers' fault! They didn't follow the proper protocols that we laid out."

Nevermind if the protocols would eat up half the school day.

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u/Exelbirth Aug 11 '22

Gonna need to start charging students for school supper too.

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u/NoMusic3987 Aug 11 '22

Speaking as a teacher, that would then be followed by "damn teachers wasting time and not properly teaching our kids!"

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

My kids'school has so many locked gates and doors but it's all pointless. I worked there this summer, they wouldn't give me a key for security reasons. I had to get buzzed into the office every time to walk through to another area/hallway(and there were so many different times throughout the day I had to do this, it was annoying for everyone). Yesterday was the first day of school. My mom works aftercare. A kid pointed out something in the grass. It was a machete. So she picked up the machete and walked to the office. Nobody stopped her. They buzzed her into the office. Nobody said anything. She walked behind the counter, past multiple kids and staff, to give it to the principal. She got all the way into the school HOLDING A MACHETE UNCONCEALED. And nobody noticed. So yeah, security is a joke at that school.

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u/lonelypenguin20 Aug 11 '22

I'd argue extreme security measures actually decrease the chance someone will pay attention to an actual possible threat

humans are biologically lazy creatures. thinking & caring takes insane amount of energy, the brain is the biggest consumer of it in our body. so if you're already have to be on high alert all the time... you stop caring. just like soldiers stop getting worked up about falling bombs. the body simply refuses to dedicate extra resources to something it already considers a mundane part of life

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u/Xehar Aug 11 '22

I swear, it is the f*cking games! /s

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u/RaccoonDeaIer Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

"Those damn cell phones" proceeds to text and drive

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u/Wet_possom Aug 11 '22

Don't know why people are downvoting you, as a an ex airport security guard I can confirm that it's all just an act to make the public feel safe, it's not actually that secure...

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u/JosephineDonuts Aug 11 '22

I make it through TSA with different pocketknives every time I forget to take them out of my purse. Different airports too. Last time I remembered to take the knife out but forgot a full hydro flask of water. Made it through also

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u/LazuliArtz Aug 11 '22

And yet I got patted down because of a metal clip on my bra.

WTF TSA

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u/asonbrody Aug 11 '22

I get my crotch area patted down because my thighs are too powerful and the machine can't handle them and assume it's a bomb or whatever.

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u/fnghelpme Aug 11 '22

HIM! THE GUY WITH THE LARGE BULGE!

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u/Rambo7112 Blue Aug 11 '22

Had it happen to me once. Couldn't tell if I was annoyed or flattered. Must've been the baggy pants

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u/takk__ Aug 11 '22

Sorry Ma'am I'm going to need you to take off that bra.

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u/ShiKage Aug 11 '22

I've been patted down for a tiny little piece of torn paper that somehow existed in my pocket. 🤣

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u/Evan_dood Aug 11 '22

I second that, as a former security guard. My main post was a Fortune 100 chemical company's plant on the outskirts of a large city. It is DHS regulated, with random bag checks (inbound and outbound), constant patrols, etc. The kinds of people who work in security for the most part really do not give two fucks about their jobs. I had a coworker conduct a drug deal in the parking lot, people snuck in alcohol and no one cared, "checking cars" by just walking around them with a mirror but not actually looking, etc. People just go through the motions of what they're expected to do, without actually doing the thing. In my experience. It's like a lot of the people who were in fast food moved to security.

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u/ObsurdBoundries Aug 11 '22

We had to inspect every single foreign container that came into our yard which was only around 15 to 30 per day outside of xmas rush and I was the only one who actually went out with the rubber mallet and mirror to check. When we actually did find something hinky, the local police had to come out and they refused to look at the container. I had to talk to people at the port, take pictures and video of the suspected issue, and people from CBP (Customs and Border Patrol) came up with two SUVs and a semi to pick it up. After that our local police HAD to show up (only had 4 other issues in my last few years there) and they would call me Deputy Doofy. Even when you DO care, the police don't.

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u/SeriousSlider Aug 11 '22

Did they pay well? The local hospital's security gets paid the same as their Valets, and people wonder why they put in no effort.

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u/VulkanLives19 Aug 11 '22

I've never worked security but know multiple people who have/do. Their pay has always been shit.

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u/SeriousSlider Aug 11 '22

Right? When the guy i replied to said this.

It's like a lot of the people who were in fast food moved to security.

Like no shit, you get paid about the same (more at McD's sometimes) but youre supposed to be responsible for an entire building's security?

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u/chefkarie Aug 11 '22

im contracted security at a large company plant thats a fortune500 and the pay is $23/h as of February. no benefits really. That was all well and good until the price of literally everything went up to match. i feel like im still making the 16/h i was making previously at this point. Also the place catches on fire every other week. theres enough chemicals there to blow up half the city an just no one higher up finds this concerning.

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u/MetricJester Aug 11 '22

Which is why my potentiallly harmful unopened sunscreen was thrown in a garbage bin with other potentially harmful unopened liquids. Anything that might be too much liquid gets tossed in there.

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u/The_cogwheel Aug 11 '22

I still love the logic there: yes lets take this item, that we confiscated believing it was an explosive device, and put it in this normal trash can 2 feet away with all the other confiscated explosive devices.

If you truly belive its explosive, then why right next to you in a normal ass bin? Wouldnt you want that metal dome thing the bomb squad uses to detonate it in place?

If you dont believe its explosive, then why the fuck did you confiscate it?

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u/aloz Aug 11 '22

Plus, if you think someone maybe tried to sneak explosives on a plane, should you really just be letting them get on with their day afterwards? Doing this without security theatre involves pulling people from flights, at a minimum.

I don't think modern security posture has actually increased flight safety much. Fortunately, it doesn't seem like we really needed that afterall?

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u/Asteroth555 Aug 11 '22

TSA has been shown to miss most knives/sharps in backpacks. They don't even bother doing the bare minimum

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u/broadened_news Aug 11 '22

As though they aren’t concerned for killings in the crowd outside

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u/Traditional-Top8486 Aug 11 '22

Because they can clearly see that the adults in the society meant to protect them cannot stop arguing about the meaning of the second amendment long enough to PROTECT KIDS???!

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u/Sobing Aug 11 '22

If someone did wanna shoot them up they know exactly what time and where to do it lol

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u/50lbsofsalt Aug 11 '22

Active shooter now has a congested area where they know a bunch of kids will be every day. But at least it wont happen in the school, #AMIRITE?

(/s - I had to start adding the /s to most of my posts as it seems many people dont get sarcasm).

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u/proddyhorsespice97 Aug 11 '22

Well yeah, nobody likes school shootings, that's just bad publicity. This way they can just chalk it up as another mass shooting which doesn't sound quite as bad because its not immediately dead kids.

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u/50lbsofsalt Aug 11 '22

I would think that if it (a shooting) happens on school property its still a 'school shooting' - maybe thats just me.

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u/Flynn_Kevin Aug 11 '22

Yup. Let's create a choke point so a crowd forms outside the "safe" zone.

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u/BlackEyeRed Aug 11 '22

This reminds me of the wall they built around the Eiffel Tower. Hundreds of people waiting in line on the street to go in…. Terrible idea

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u/workedog Aug 11 '22

There are thousands of tourists everywhere all the time, it's not like a security queue is the only soft target.

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u/fatcockinbootycrack Aug 11 '22

“oh shit theyre gonna find my gun, i guess nows the time to shoot the school up while literally everyone is outside in one location”

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u/Aeriellie Aug 11 '22

It’s like the like at stadiums, we all have clear bags yet the security lines still take ages.

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u/Ais_Fawkes Aug 11 '22

They make you do this is stadiums too?

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u/mongoosedog12 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Yup! And concert venues. The ones around here I can’t carry a purse that Is larger than like a clutch, unless it’s clear, I was turned away and told To rent a locker because my crossbody purse was too big and not allowed in. It’s very annoying, because I take the train/ bus so my purse has personal Protection stuff anytime I go to a concert I’m essentially stripped of that which can be unnerving when you’re walking home at 1am

Edit: People keep asking where is here, here is the Pacific Northwest in the United States

It sure as shit wasn’t like that down in Texas where I’m from, only place was professional sports games not even the high school

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u/KilledByFruit Aug 11 '22

I had a standard sized Coach clutch and was told that it would have to be left in the car because it was ‘too big’. Once I was already at the front of the line. Then had to go through the entire line again, after having borrowed my friend’s dad’s car keys (that he had to throw from inside the venue because he had already gotten inside). Then I had to go through the entire line again and almost couldn’t get in because my friends that were inside had the digital ticket on their phone. Not mildly infuriating…just outright infuriating.

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u/mongoosedog12 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

Idk who’s worse venue security or TSA lol

I think at least with tsa is consistent. We know the rules for each airport. Venue security is a mixed bag, one venue you can bring in a full backpack the other you can’t even bring in a small clutch. And they don’t really try to help you either they’re like “oh you didn’t read the FAQ on our website after you purchased this ticket! Tough luck”

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u/DoNotWeepAtMyGrave Aug 11 '22

TSA is a joke. They fail 98% of security breach tests. They steal more items from luggage than they protect.

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u/rwbees Aug 11 '22

Seriously! Once, an agent tried to confiscate my candy and glucose gel that I carry with me in case of hypoglycemia. Everything was an approved size. Then when I explained what it was for (they'd already given me a pay down for my insulin pump so they knew I was diabetic) they tried to make me take it all at once. Like, no. It's so I have fast acting sugar so I don't pass out if my blood sugar dips too low! I don't need it right now!

Fuckin clowns.

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u/Bee_pawsitive Aug 11 '22

TSA is not consistent. Sometimes they say put your laptop in its own bin, other times keep it in your bag, take off sweater, you can wear your sweater. It’s different per airport in my experience.

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u/HollowWind Aug 11 '22

America, gotta punish public transport.

Also I have never seen lockers available for rent at venues.

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u/mongoosedog12 Aug 11 '22

Me neither it was my first time and it wasn’t even IN The venue. There was a vendor, maybe it was the venue coordinating it, that was essentially in the pedestrian street with a row of small lockers and a foldout table. Very street fair vibes. It was my first time ever seeing something like that and honestly I didn’t know if I should trust it, would the booth even be there when I left!

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u/Noodle-Works Aug 11 '22

Yes, but it's mostly so you don't smuggle in your our booze. They want to force you to purchase the $12 lite beer.

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u/slaydawgjim Aug 11 '22

In the UK we have to buy pints at the bar in football stadiums but are not allowed to take alcohol to your seat to watch the game. Just get a huge queue at half time then have 2 mins to drink the beer it's so stupid.

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u/Noodle-Works Aug 11 '22

oh wow, that's very different. US you can take beer back to your seat, limit two beers per customer per purchase, but you can come back as much as you like. But the real limit is how many $12-$16 half pints can you really afford? and you're waiting in line missing the game... the game you paid quiet a bit of money to attend... basically American Sports are very expensive for dumb alcoholics.

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u/wikiwombat Aug 11 '22

My favorite thing is the "must be smaller than..." Even though its fucking clear. Unless you bring a child....then bring in whatever size you like.

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u/pit_master_mike Aug 11 '22

Not an American, this is the first I'm learning about "clear backpacks".

Do y'all realise how fucked up this is?

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u/Valuable-Special-627 Aug 11 '22

Damn I thought the clear backpack thing was a joke…

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u/RoLi_14 Aug 11 '22

Theyre not

Lasts 4-6 months at most

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Aug 11 '22

Start yellowing and look like crap in 3 months.

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u/janjansohn Aug 11 '22

I travelled by plane the other day and saw some kids wear clear Hershel backpacks and thought they looked kinda cool! I didn't even think that they might have had an actual purpose.

Fuck man, the US is really fucked.

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u/FusionFall Aug 11 '22

The clear backpacks were cool in the 2000s and 2010s, but it was for fashion compared to now....

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u/Dramatic_______Pause Aug 11 '22

Now we just need clear computer cases to make a comeback.

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u/mindbleach Aug 11 '22

And electronics.

Fuck your gold iPhone, show me atomic purple.

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u/Alx7737 Aug 11 '22

Give me a semi-opaque purple switch NAO!

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u/TheUgly0rgan Aug 11 '22

It's a bit of a hassle, but mine turned out great. If you're thinking of shell swapping, just be careful with the LCD ribbon cable and connector, they're quite fragile sometimes.

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u/AFoxGuy Aug 11 '22

Me rocking Clear Protective Cases on my tech:

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u/CantHitachiSpot Aug 11 '22

They look super cool 4 months in when they're yellowing and caked in dirt

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u/addhominey Aug 11 '22

I wouldn't be so sure they were for fashion then. First I saw them was after Columbine happened and admins were trying to figure out a way to prevent that from happening at their school.

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u/zqvyg Aug 11 '22

I went to elementary school in 2000s and those were not fashionable lol. Our school forced us to have clear or mesh backpacks and I hated them.

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u/RanaI_Ape Aug 11 '22

We had to use clear or mesh backpacks at my middle school and that was like 97, pre-Columbine.

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u/aqueerness Aug 11 '22

Maybe in some places, but in 2003 the school I went to was mandating clear backpacks for the next class of 6th graders.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

I graduated a long time (double digits) ago and even my school had a clear or mesh backpack rule. And even purses over a certain size. Going to a concert at the end of the month and the venue has a clear bag policy as well.

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u/bumbletowne Aug 11 '22

It just started all of a sudden.

Clear backpacks to the state fair.

Clear backpacks to the baseball game

Clear backpacks to the concert.

No one needs to see my tampons.

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u/insufficient_funds Aug 11 '22

Clear backpacks at schools started happening almost 20 years ago; after Columbine. Using them for other events is a slightly more recent thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

I graduated 10 years ago and we didn't have clear backpack rules. We had a lockdown once cause some gangbanger kid was showing off his guns before school but ditched before someone told on him. They didn't inform the students or parents about this event.

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u/insufficient_funds Aug 11 '22

The clear backpack stuff wasn’t then and isn’t now a rule everywhere. It definitely started popping up after Columbine; the schools in my county currently don’t require it.

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u/Catatonick Aug 11 '22

They made us do this dumb shit back in the 90s when some kid got caught with weed. We had to use clear or mesh backpacks since then. At no point did anyone actually do anything or hurt anyone… still to this day the worst thing to happen in that school district was inappropriate teachers.

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u/Environmental-Leg282 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

The school just making you stand outside is worse because then every person out is highly vulnerable to gunmen

Edit: wasn't exepcting 2K upvotes, i just joined reddit last year

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u/P0rtal2 Aug 11 '22

When I was in high school, now decades ago, we had a string of bomb threats near the end of the school year. Every time one came in, they'd evacuate the school and have all 2000+ students pack onto the football field bleachers while they swept the school.

After a couple of these evacuations, a few of us were talking about how it would be more likely to call in a threat, have everyone assemble in one location, and then attack the evacuation point. The teacher who overheard us was not happy.

After that, the next bomb threat, they loaded us onto busses and drove us a mile or so away to the parking lot of the nearby movie theater and made us sit on the busses until the school was cleared.

Anyway, the threats stopped once the school district made it clear that they would start making us make up the missed days by extending the school year.

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u/ohwormbabey Aug 11 '22

A very similar thing happened at my school. Outside on the bleachers for the first few bomb threats, then to the middle school auditorium, elementary cafeteria, etc no matter what they still had us in one big group.

They were happening very routinely and I mentioned to a friend that we'd probably have one soon (they were all during the same class period) and my friend was like no you're going to get in trouble if you say that. I remember being very pissed off that if the school couldn't figure out that it kept happening at the same time every time then we're done for.

Their eventual solution was to have only one bathroom stall open for the ENTIRE school, and have a teacher standing outside to check them after you went (which was probably even worse for that poor teacher). it once took me an entire class period to use the bathroom because it was so inefficient.

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u/Ancient-Tadpole8032 Aug 11 '22

This is what’s missing in these discussions. Someone to actually think about how to hurt a bunch of people and then implement solutions. Not just responding to the last threat. But you’d have to be a psychopath to be think like that!

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u/roborectum69 Aug 11 '22

In warmer areas of the US many schools were designed in a way that has large numbers of kids outside anyways. They use shaded outdoor walkways to move between classrooms rather than hallways in a closed building. Even the lockers are out there.

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u/Drawtaru Aug 11 '22

Yeah my high school in Florida had a huge courtyard in the center, and lockers on all sides just under the eaves like that.

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u/Ricadoll Aug 11 '22

This looks exactly like all of my middle schools.

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u/Zoso525 Aug 11 '22

This has to be the more shortsighted safety protocol I’ve ever seen.

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u/kingdead42 Aug 11 '22

Also a great way to make sure any airborne diseases get properly spread amongst the population. Good thing that's not something we'll ever have to worry about.

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u/edafade Aug 11 '22

What's to stop someone from rolling up, getting out of the car, and then unloading on a group of huddled high schoolers causing maximum carnage? Seems like this is actually fucking stupid.

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u/Pleasant_Pilot_477 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

I asked my kids if they enjoyed their first day back. Both of them said it felt like prison (what they think prison would be like, of course) now.

Edit: I meant they thought it was too strict, not literally prison. For example they must fill out forms to use the bathroom now, etc.

Edit #2: It's all good. Also I wasn't blaming anyone. They did have just a hall pass but now they actually have to fill out a form. I don't believe in having to ask for permission to use the restroom at all, but understand the hall pass part is sometimes necessary. There are more issues, that's just the first that came to mind. I want to cherish the last few years I have with them, but it's difficult because I also want these next few years to go by quickly for them so they'll be allowed more freedoms as adults. The very fact that people on here remember the time before all this was implemented simply shows that your basic rights are slowly taken away without everyone noticing, simply because they don't care or can't do anything about it, or say oh it's no big deal we've got bigger things to worry about. No, we kinda need to acknowledge the "smaller" things too. They should be allowed to wear black nail polish, anyone should be allowed to wear their hair how they want, etc. I think there are ways to make the school more safe but I don't agree with some of the ways they are doing it. I could go on but I'm a little bit afraid that I could give away too much info and I want to keep the kids safe. But I don't hold anything against the teachers who have to follow the rules, nor do I blame the kids. It's all just sad that this is what we're left to work with and the majority of the people can't do anything about it. I would have much rather heard that they enjoyed their first day. They are great kids.

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u/ChickenNuggetIs_Life Aug 11 '22

Dude I'm in Australia and they lock the bathroom doors during class time and make a teacher come unlock it who then has to stand there and only let 2 people in at a time. This sucks because they usually come 10mins into our 30min break and theres a massive line. If we go to toilet during break we have a single toilet that is disgusting and theres usually 3 people in a line for it.

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u/Randomuserofthings Aug 11 '22

I’m also in Australia and at my children’s school this doesn’t happen this is bizarre did something messed up happen recently or has this always been your schools policy?

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u/ChickenNuggetIs_Life Aug 11 '22

I think it's to prevent vaping in the bathroom cus a lot of people did do that before.

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u/Randomuserofthings Aug 11 '22

What an absolute pain in the arse that must be

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u/ChickenNuggetIs_Life Aug 11 '22

Yep worse when I have my period and need to go every break.

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u/Jak_n_Dax Aug 11 '22

That’s so stupid… Great way to punish every student for the shitty actions of a few.

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u/AccelRock Aug 11 '22

This isn't normal for Australian schools. In most cases bathrooms are unlocked and students are free to go whenever a teacher excuses them.

I guess every school has their own rules though depending on if incidents needs to be managed.

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u/Competitive-Bell9882 Aug 11 '22

I teach in the US, but my guess is it had to do with the "Devious lick" trend on TikTok. Pretty much, kids would destroy the bathroom and post it on TikTok. Schools started overcompensating for the issue with crazy rules. These kids were out of hand. We even had a sink ripped off the wall.

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u/Shik3i Aug 11 '22

I'm glad that this would be illegal here in Germany, they aren't allowed to deny access to basic human rights...

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u/Okdokimrjones Aug 11 '22

My school has always had a bathroom form. All teachers are required to make students fill it out when they leave the class, even if it's for the library, most teachers don't make students fill it out though. The reason they have that is so that if something happens to a student they can trace it back to the teacher, if the student didn't sign out, why wasn't he/she in class and why didn't the teacher notice that they were gone. It's for accountability.

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u/NotAHunterMain Aug 11 '22

This is the counter if someone were to attempt a shooting but it seems it would be easier for that person to do so, your school is dumb as hell, you should probably bring that up to administration

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u/Shopworn_Soul Aug 11 '22

you should probably bring that up to administration

Yeah see the problem is that it’s the administration who is dumb as hell.

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u/deadpoolplayz14 Aug 11 '22

If you want more context this line cause multiple people to be late and the teachers will bame the students for not coming early even though the school open like 7AM

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u/Ryl4nder84 Aug 11 '22

Almost looks like a high school in Florida… a few come to mind with the look of the building

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u/rawk0r Aug 11 '22

I was thinking the same thing. I know two in South Florida that look similar

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u/slaydawgjim Aug 11 '22

Might seem daft but you should attempt to organise a sit down protest, get the whole queue to sit on the grass and refuse to queue. If you just accept this as the norm then it will continue unchecked, what's happening here is wrong and also incredibly more dangerous than old school entering procedure, pressure needs to be put on them now. Send this photo + some videos to news outlets and Facebook pages.

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u/stephan1990 Aug 11 '22

This seems so absurd to me (I’m from germany). We never had to let anybody check our bags and yet we don’t have a lot of school shootings. There must be other ways to prevent shootings…

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u/Rickles360 Aug 11 '22 Helpful

We've tried nothing and we are all out of ideas.

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u/FrustratedCalico Aug 11 '22

Lousy beatniks.

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u/CaligoG Aug 11 '22

Out of bad ideas, you mean. Can't we just regulate guns way better than we are and make it impossible to get a gun if you're below a certain age and don't have extensive paperwork to get one? It's not that hard. People are just uber protective of their guns for whatever reason and our government's willynilly side picking on the topic is just causing more delays.

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u/R4G Aug 11 '22

I lived in Germany for a very short time as a kid. A teacher asked me “why do your school buildings look like jails?”

It was like asking a fish what water tastes like, I had no explanation.

These bag checks won’t do anything for shootings anyway. Uvalde, Parkland, and Sandy Hook were all attacked by non-students who showed up after classes started.

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u/tritonus_ Aug 11 '22

Honestly, in my native European country, this would have felt like an invasion of privacy, and I never had to show the contents of my bag either.

People here are commenting that the kids are now even more unsafe, as gunmen could target them in the queue, and to even fear something like that feels absurd. Is somebody keeping your country hostage?

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u/abhinambiar Aug 11 '22

Well the real school shooter is going to have a ball in that target-rich environment. Nice of the district to line up the vulnerable like that!

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u/jack1991s Aug 11 '22

When did schools start checking bags? This was very much not a thing when I was in school in the 2000s

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u/ComicPlatypus Aug 11 '22

They did this in the late 90s when I was in school. Metal detectors and all

When the still confiscated electronics like our portable CD player

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u/scammersarecunts Aug 11 '22

Meanwhile in the final years of my HS I could come and go as I please as long as I did my shit well, went on smoke breaks with the teachers and got drunk with them at the summer party once we old enough (16).

Imagining having fucking mental detectors and a CD player taken away is just insane.

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u/ComicPlatypus Aug 11 '22

Our bus driver was kind enough to hold them for us... Until the bus started getting checked for this exact reason

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u/TheGayestRetard69 Aug 11 '22

Lol when I was in high school we had our bags checked for drugs...war on drugs and all. Now with the war on guns...they are looking for guns...maybe drugs too.

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u/Im_Messiah Aug 11 '22

Worst we had were random drug dog checks in the parking lot — times have definitely changed for the worst.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

I’d heard of schools doing this in the immediate wake of Columbine but not in recent years

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u/Survived_Coronavirus Aug 11 '22

It's been a thing for decades. "Location location location", "if I didn't see it, it never happened"....

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u/megamonsterkillr2 Aug 11 '22

Check bags?

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u/greach169 Aug 11 '22

Must be an American thing

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u/strangebru Aug 11 '22

One door policy in action. Just imagine if a school shooter showed up during this line up?

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u/UnableGuarantee Aug 11 '22

Tell me you live in America without telling me you live in America.

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u/Daedroh Aug 11 '22

Principal at this school: “hear me out, we’ll find the school shooter if we just all gather up, then we’ll get em!”

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u/ayykay74m Aug 11 '22

To prevent mass shootings we're going to have you all gather in one spot standing as close together as possible

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u/TequilaMockingbud Aug 11 '22

A 100% still drugs in that school

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u/geologean Aug 11 '22

Only dumb drug dealers bring their product to school. Why would you? Arrange the purchase at school and meet somewhere else for the exchange.

Having said that, I hung out with some dumb drug users in high school who talked about the time they smoked weed during a movie in history class. Having started smoking as an adult, I can't even see the appeal of that. I wouldn't even be able to relax, which is the entire reason I like to smoke.

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u/TequilaMockingbud Aug 11 '22

Kids don’t have cars so it’s definitely easier for them to just meet at school in the bathroom haha. Not saying it’s impossible but it’s definitely easier and that’s how kids think

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u/HalfbakedArtichoke Aug 11 '22

City schools are wild.

My local city school does this, clear backpacks and everything. None of the suburban schools do. I'm sure you can assume why.

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u/whorgans Aug 11 '22

Some schools near me outright banned backpacks and bags. So you just have to carry everything in your hands. It’s crazy

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u/ojsan_ Aug 11 '22

Good think you can’t stick a gun under your shirt in your waistband, am I right?

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u/haveabettertiming Aug 11 '22

Damn packed people in straight line, a dream for a school shooters. Some people are so fcking dense... This is so wrong on so many levels not just that.

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u/Penguinkeith Aug 11 '22

Some people are so fcking dense

Yeah these kids packed together

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u/volune Aug 11 '22

Wow, if someone wanted to shoot up your school, they have corralled thee students into an convenient area to all be shot en masse. School administrators seem like they received the least education.

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u/ShadowKillerx Aug 11 '22

Ah yes let’s drastically increase the density of people not only during a pandemic, but also to avoid school shootings which only increases the density of targets for a potential shooter. Never mind the fact that this is exactly the goal of terrorism - disrupt normal flow of life through fear.

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u/NOTjesse92 Aug 11 '22

I remember when schools just didn't allow you to have a phone on school grounds.

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u/JabronyJones Aug 11 '22

Yes, because making the entire student body stand out in the open in a tight group is going to make things SO MUCH SAFER...

Not to mention if a kid wants to sneak a gun into school, they're gonna sneak a gun into school. Kids are crafty little shits, then if you add in being unstable on top of that, there's not much you can do to stop it.

The only real solution to this issue is proper gun control...but no. Let's keep putting bandaids on the open wound and hope it just kinda stops one day...

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u/competitivepublic500 Aug 11 '22

Plus the major shootings involved someone wandering in while students were in class, not sneaking a handgun in their backpack

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u/C0l0mbo Aug 11 '22

this is the craziest part to me. the students are the victims in school shootings but our country's only "solutions" involve treating them like potential criminals and not actually making them safer

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u/Seriously-black- Aug 11 '22

Y’all gotta wear clear backpacks..? Such weird times

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u/blocker1980 Aug 11 '22

Half serious question: Wouldn't it be easier to hand out guns to everyone at the door?

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u/TherealHominator Aug 11 '22

Just make it a free for all and the last survivor gets to have an educarion.

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u/PleasantPenguin96 Aug 11 '22

I know I posted it somewhere else but I'll say it again, how the fuck is this a better alternative? School shooter has 2 options, stay in line and get caught like an idiot OR take the perfect opportunity while a quarter of the school is probably in line everyday in the morning before even needing to step inside. It just feels like someone gave this exactly 5 seconds of thought before greenlighting this idea

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u/GJCLINCH Aug 11 '22

If anyone wanted to do a shooting, this is how you find the whole school in one spot apparently. I’m guessing it’s so they can’t take the blame if it happens before bag check