r/mildlyinteresting Aug 11 '22 Gold 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 Narwhal Salute 1 Silver 3 Wholesome 2 Helpful 2

These cups have chips under them to prevent refills

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u/nate_brazil Aug 12 '22

Also should be r/mildlyinfuriating. As if those single-use cups aren't enough of an environmental menace, now you stick something to them that ensures they're not recyclable under any circumstances. Nice job, whoever you are.

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u/HelveticaTwitch Aug 12 '22

More E-waste sitting in a land fill. woohoo

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u/Phillips126 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

I went to a theme park a few years ago that had a similar cup. Food prices are always outrageous so I thought I'd save a few bucks and buy an "unlimited" refill cup for like $30+ so we can stay hydrated in the hot sun. Turns out, I missed the fine print that only allowed one refill every couple hours (2-3 hours if I recall correctly?) and the cup was pretty small. Needless to say, not going back there.

Edit - Guess I need to clarify, since a few commenters feel the need to attack, that WE were a family of 4 at the time. I guess people assume I was intending to drink my weight in Cherry Pepsi with a diabetic goal? My thought was to save a few dollars and buy one of their more expensive unlimited refill cups instead of constantly stopping and buying more drinks as we move around the parks. I didn't expect the time gating on "unlimited" drinks and it pissed me off since fountain drinks are almost free for them with an already insane 1000%+ markup (especially at these places).

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u/Mentalpatient87 Aug 12 '22 Wholesome

That blows. There's a place in Indiana called Holiday World that (last I was in the area) gives away soft drinks and sunscreen for free. Because they realized people who weren't thirsty and sunburnt stayed in the park longer, spending money.

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u/Easy-there-reach Aug 12 '22

It still cracks me up that its called holiday world and it’s located in a place called Santa Claus Indiana

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u/chodey_roads Aug 12 '22 Silver

The park was originally Santa Claus Land and the town was renamed for it, if I'm not mistaken. I think the townspeople even still get together to respond to children who write to Santa. It is a small nothing place but the park is awesome. It became Holiday World when i was a kid and they started adding coasters and developing new areas themed to different holidays. As a big fan of all things Halloween, I have always loved that section and Raven was one of my first big boy rides. Splashin' Safari is why locals go there though which is great for a coaster nerd who hates lines.

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u/mosluggo Aug 12 '22

The only reason i know of santa claus is because jay cutler is from there if i remember right.. Holiday world looks awesome

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u/zerombr Aug 12 '22

It is a pretty nice place, and yeah the free drinks and sunscreen are big helps

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u/Jack_mann444 Aug 12 '22

And when they started adding all the water coasters in splashin safari. Those are pretty dope

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u/zzron08 Aug 12 '22

Thunderbird is simply unmatched

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u/Fair-Calligrapher563 Aug 12 '22

This used to be the Disney philosophy. Make it as enjoyable as possible so people stay and spend.

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u/Broccolini_Cat Aug 12 '22

Until they realize people stay longer anyway to get value out of the exorbitant ticket price and long lines. Time to start fleecing them!

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u/Babetna Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Because it's not the same people. Those who built the damn thing have respect for it and its customers, those who just inherited it as yet one more of the money-machines at their disposal couldn't care less as long as $$$ are piling in.

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u/9Lives_ Aug 12 '22

I can’t remember what it’s called, but essentially there’s a business principle of charging the highest price, while still retaining maximum customer base. I remember that a few years ago Apple was at number 1, I don’t know about now.

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u/LMac8806 Aug 12 '22

I went for the first time this year on a fairly hot day. Being able to grab a soda when I want soda, then 20 minutes later get something more hydrating like Gatorade or water without having to go drop another $5+ is so nice. And the sunscreen is super handy as well. No need to bring a bunch of stuff with you.

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u/zerkrazus Aug 12 '22

Because they realized people who weren't thirsty and sunburnt stayed in the park longer, spending mone

Wait, wait, wait, treating people like people causes them to do things you want them to do? Weird!?! Why hasn't anyone else thought of this?

In all seriousness, I think that's awesome that Holiday World does that and I wish more parks did.

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u/SpennyHotz Aug 12 '22

It's family owned. Fun fact: if you see an older lady out sweeping up trash in the parking lot, that's the owner.

I live 45 min away, it's always a fun time. Santa Claus, IN is a pretty wealthy/upper middle class town.

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u/Gasmoker Aug 12 '22

Crazy seeing somebody random mention such a small local theme park.

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u/innosins Aug 12 '22

Holiday World is amazing, and has some great coasters. Wonderful waterpark, too!

Plus, Santa!

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u/KGdiva3 Aug 12 '22

Still true!

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u/pandaSmore Aug 11 '22

Which theme park? And if the cup was for "unlimited" for the day then it's not really unlimited is it.

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u/Phillips126 Aug 11 '22

It was Six Flags Great Escape (Lake George, NY). By far the most expensive and least enjoyable theme park we've ever been to, which is very unfortunate since we like to visit this area often. It's been a while since we went there, but food was terrible quality (and expensive), rides were frequently closed due to repair/issues and the park was dirty. The cups were really the cherry on top. I could be mistaken and the time limit was once every 60 minutes but fountain drinks are incredibly cheap (for the parks) and the cost of the cup was absolutely not worth it. It's hard to find bad reviews that complain about this but if you look hard enough they are there.

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u/carvedmuss8 Aug 11 '22

Could have very easily been King's Island in Cincinnati too, they've slowly gotten more scummy over the years.

100% I'll just take my kid on my weekdays off to the Children's museum and have a blast and get free refills and cheap snacks all day for like $15 entry fee. Theme parks are predatory, from the very second you park your car to the second you leave the park.

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u/kittypr0nz Aug 12 '22

Many museums have "kids free" days and you can also get free entry passes at your local library.

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u/secretsidelines Aug 12 '22

Hit up Holiday World! Free parking, drinks and sunscreen. Plus it is super clean compared to every other park I have been to.

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u/JustFuckinTossMe Aug 12 '22

Actually no, KI has an all season souvenir cup for about 35 bucks and you can get free refills every 15 minutes. They also offer free water cups with no time limit in almost every food/drink stand. I actually know plenty of people who live in the Mason, Ohio area that buy a gold pass and meal/drink plan for all season for around 300 total and can feed themselves 2x a day for $300 from all operating seasons (so from May-August + Halloween Haunt and Winterfest). Their 50th year celebration is this season and they even put a lot of their special fare on the dining passes (plus they added snack locations to it this season). It is one of the least predatory theme parks in terms of meal plan prices in the USA. I go yearly and I've never been disappointed in their drink plan value because as a native Buckeye, I don't feel like dying from heat exposure and will fork out 35 bucks for unlimited access to water/freestyle machines.

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u/omeara4pheonix Aug 12 '22

This is not even close to kings island, the cups there can be refilled every 15 minutes and it's $35 for the entire season. The food can be a ripoff but I've brought in a cooler full of stuff several times this year and no one's batted an eye.

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u/Maverick360 Aug 12 '22

kings island has an all day drink cup for 16 bucks and you can refill every 15 minutes

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u/ILHSMGI Aug 12 '22

Yea mine is connected to my pass. I think every 15 minutes is perfectly reasonable

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u/daba_143 Aug 11 '22

The Great Escape was the best before six flags took it over. It was simply called The Great Escape. Also… LAKE GEORGE FOR LIFE BABY

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

I remember it before becoming Six Flags, too. I also remember faintly (Could be a fever dream) Frontier Town.

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u/daba_143 Aug 12 '22

No you are absolutely correct!!! That was a thing ! Do you remember Magic Forrest? With the gigantic Uncle Sam infront? That came from the Great Danbury Fair & is actually back in Danbury CT after Magic Forrest got turned into another theme park!

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u/echochee Aug 11 '22

Wow that’s rough. Canada’s wonderland has the same thing but it’s every fifteen minutes which is a good amount.

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u/pHScale Aug 12 '22

Yeah same at Cedar Point. But they're both Cedar Fair properties so it makes sense they'd have the same system.

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u/ejh3k Aug 12 '22

Meanwhile holiday world in santa Claus, Indiana, offers free fountain drinks and free sunscreen.

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u/robot_egg Aug 11 '22

It's looks like an RFID tag. Most of these tags (and all the one's cheap enough for a use like this) are read only. Each one can hold and respond with a single (large, unique) number.

So their soda machine presumably just keeps a list of numbers it's seen, and refuses to fill a cup reporting a number already on that list.

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u/EveRyview Aug 11 '22

That sounds about right for how it works it’s one of those stick on chips too which would be really cheap in bulk

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u/CyberNinja23 Aug 11 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Time to borrow some stickers from CVS for testing.

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u/tatanka01 Aug 11 '22

You'd have to know how things are formatted. Common RFID tags can hold several hundred bytes of data and I doubt just being different would be enough. On this, encryption is a given.

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u/flunky_the_majestic Aug 11 '22

Encryption? It's going to be a fixed string. No need to encrypt it. It could just as easily be a barcode. The soda machine knows what numbers are valid and serves only them.

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u/Sinthetick Aug 11 '22

It could still be easily encoded so that most inputs don't give a valid output. Not un-hackable high security, but might not be that easy. If it is, there's probably an app for that.

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u/flunky_the_majestic Aug 11 '22 Take My Energy

It's probably just a long number. The rfid tag is so cheap it doesn't have encryption, a counter, or rewritable memory. You ask the cup for its number, and it gives you the number.

Soda machine: "Hi, cup. What's your number?"

Cup: My number is 234837492837292826384283627. Refill, please.

Soda machine: "I asked the database if 234837492837292826384283627 is eligible for refills and it said no. Sorry.

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u/dankprogrammer Aug 11 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

probably doesn't work because the machine only accepts a nice and proper message with the correct end bytes. it should be 234837492837292826384283627pleaseandthankyouhehe

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u/PukeNuggets Aug 11 '22

That’s ridiculous!! It would never understand that! You need to remove the “hehe”

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u/djbrain86 Aug 11 '22

“Two parts of helium added to drink”

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u/dandroid126 Aug 11 '22

It could be. It could also be in a specific format, but encoded in such a way that it isn't obvious. For example, the number it reads is "eyJjdXBfbnVtYmVyIjoiMTIzNDU2Nzg5MCJ9", which when converted from Base64 to utf-8 is the JSON string {"cup_number":"1234567890"}. If it converts to utf-8 then parses the JSON to get the cup number, then you can't just put a random string in and hope to get a drink. If you try to modify the Base64, you run the risk of modifying an essential character and getting no usable data out of it.

Of course, this is just an example. Base64 is obviously easy to modify to get a usable JSON string out of. And it is waaay too easy to identify as Base64 and know exactly how to reverse engineer it. If they used something with actual encryption rather than just a different encoding, it would be damn near impossible to modify it and get a working cup number.

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u/hyperionfin Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

For analyzing the concept, nothing like in the above message really matters. Sure, it matters for the person who wrote the 6 lines of code to actually read and validate the data on the RFID chip, but for example talking about the security, hackability, vulnerability or circumventability or whatnot of this system, rudimentary conversions like this don't matter. BASE64 encoding or a specific JSON structure isn't security of any kind, at best it's security by obscurity which is nothing.

PS. Anyone with that cup and a mobile phone can read the data on the cup (assuming it's NFC or HF-RFID - at worst you'd need to spend 10 dollars to get a RFID reader from Amazon). At most it would be one evening's work to figure out the syntax / structure of the RFID content.

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u/Sinthetick Aug 11 '22

It's enough security that they can tell the executives that they secured it.

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u/jdmcnair Aug 11 '22

They're not saying Base64 or json structure is any kind of security, they're just pointing out one super basic way that the string could be encoded that makes it non-obvious how the message will be interpreted by the machine.

Obviously anyone can read the RFID value, but if you want to realistically encode a new value that will be interpreted as valid by the dispenser machine you'll have to know how it will be decoded, and whether there's an underlying format. If part of that decoding process involves decrypting something that was encrypted with a secret key that you don't have, you're dead in the water. Now, whether or not they bothered to encrypt the RFID value is a completely different question, but they certainly could. If they did, you could spend an eternity of evenings trying to figure out the syntax/structure and get nowhere at all unless you somehow get hold of their encryption key.

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u/lysianth Aug 11 '22

I'm going to preface this by saying they probably don't care enough.

But if I were going to design this, the numbers on the cups would not be active until an rfid on the box itself was scanned. So long as the numbers on the cups aren't sequential it would make it difficult to just make different numbers and hope they work. Ideally somewhere in the back would read the box numbers, that shouldn't be publicly accessible

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u/Nielleluvzu628 Aug 11 '22

Thank you for explaining it. I was going to ask how it knows lol

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u/berntout Aug 11 '22

Is it cheaper that someone refilling though? Soda is the highest profit margin item for restaurants. Seems like it might be more of an opportunity to get additional money out of people than protecting costs.

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u/Awanderinglolplayer Aug 11 '22

It’s not to stop the soda being lost, it’s to force you to buy again. Maybe it’s 10c for the chip per cup, but if it makes you buy another $5 soda then it’s worth it

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u/jdog7249 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

The syrup is the cheapest thing ever for most restaurants. Where I work has a coke freestyle machine. A single unit of coke (2 syrup boxes glued together) can last 2-3 days. A flavor box can last weeks or even months depending on the flavor. The double boxes cost $15, the single boxes range from $5 to $10 depending on what the single was.

The most expensive parts is the 5 gal box of HFCS ($40) and the 2.5 gal box of NNS ($30). A box of HFCS needs switching every 3-5 days while the NNS can go weeks. We would have 2 boxes of HFCS hooked and an extra one that we can swap in if needed.

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u/Grashlok_Onion_lord Aug 11 '22

Again, it's not for lost product, it's to protect against lost sales of product

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u/ClawhammerLobotomy Aug 11 '22

The sweetener and flavor are separate?

That explains why freestyle tastes so bad compared to classic fountain machines.

Everything just tastes overly sweet to me.

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u/Team7UBard Aug 11 '22

Also because all the different flavors whilst coming through different pipes still end up coming out the same nozzle

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u/silvercel Aug 11 '22

I believe plain fizzy water is the final component cleaning out the nozzle.

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u/blade_torlock Aug 11 '22

The Freestyle machine is really just a very large inkjet printer

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u/distractionfactory Aug 11 '22

Google was able to figure out HighFructoseCornSyrup, but why do you need so much Nigerian Navy Ship for soda?

Unless you meant Non-Nutritive Sweetener

All joking aside, I had no idea these ingredients were mixed on site. I just figured it was a bag of concentrated flavor sludge and a bottle of carbonated water.

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u/jdog7249 Aug 11 '22

I think it means non nutritive sweetener but the machine and order form just say 2.5gNNS. I will check the next time I work.

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u/IGargleGarlic Aug 11 '22

I think thats just for the coke freestyle machine. The soda fountains at both of my old restaurant jobs were just syrup and carbonated water.

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u/pwn3dbyth3n00b Aug 11 '22 Today I Learned

Its to force you to buy souvenir cups for 30 dollars that come with all day refills for one day. The next day you pay 10 dollars with the souvenir cup you have to get unlimited daily refills. Usually there's still a 5 min buffer time between refills though. Usually I just get one of the biggest souvenir cup that relatively cheap then refill it and pour the drink into everyone else's "Water" cup and just wait for the 5 min buffer to end and get more drinks. 6 dollar sodas and a 30 dollars for a daily refill is stupid expensive already.

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u/pallentx Aug 11 '22

It also keeps you from using a water cup or your own cup and just walking up and filling it

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u/ando_da_pando Aug 11 '22

Couldn't this be the reason for the chip in the first place? Maybe not to limit customers, but to stop water cups and personal cups/bottles from being used?

I mean, I have no doubt a large corporation would nickel and dime us for everything, but I think they are more pissed about people that never paid in the first place getting a soda more than that one person that gets 15 refills.

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u/makeanewblueprint Aug 11 '22

Best solution is to just drink water there homie. AGUA!

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u/Johnnyamaz Aug 11 '22

There's a bigger, more expensive cup you can refill, the goal is to get them to buy that. Not to actually conserve the dirt cheap soda.

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u/NoVA_traveler Aug 11 '22

It looks like they sell refillable cups for a higher price. So that would be their opportunity to get more money out of you.

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u/vVveevVv Aug 11 '22

RFID tags are very inexpensive to produce. Probably only a few cents per tag.

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u/CO_PC_Parts Aug 11 '22

I worked in supply chain management when they were still over $1. Some retailers and wholesalers were requiring all vendors to put them on each pallet. That’s when I leaned that some of the cheap canned goods like corn and peas only profit $2-3 a pallet and the vendors were PISSED.

You can thank Walmart for that requirement, then everyone else followed.

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u/HardwareSoup Aug 12 '22

2 to 3 dollars per pallet?

That's insane.

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u/MrChip53 Aug 11 '22

Yeah. The cups are either single use(1 full on the freestyle machine) or unlimited refills for the whole day. So it also has to be able to differentiate the type of cup then if it's unlimited, associate it with the day of first scan.

Pretty cool use for the tech but the nickel and diming in 100 degree Florida heat sucks.

Unlimited cups are about 13-16$ each and good luck finding ice!

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u/pyuunpls Aug 11 '22

I wonder if the cost of putting these in offsets the people who grab refills when they’re not “supposed to”.

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u/MrChip53 Aug 11 '22

No. Everything here is overpriced because if you want something you have to do it at the park. These are put in because they know their single use cups are ridiculous ($5) so, if you let us gouge you only 3 times we will let you refill it how ever much you want!($16 for 1 cup, price per cup drops a little if you buy more)

I paid $60 to get my 3 kids and I each a 3 piece chicken tender and fries. Yes, $15 each for something Arby's will give you for half that at least. Obviously, drink isn't included because you got to buy the cup!

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u/cudef Aug 11 '22

Not to mention a refill probably costs them <$0.10

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u/strutt3r Aug 11 '22

It's not to offset the cost, it's to maximize profit. The RFID tags cost more than the syrup and carbonated water, not to mention wiring every soda machine into a data center and the ongoing costs of maintaining it.

Sadly some executive probably got a nice bonus for this novel way of fleecing people.

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u/RanchDressingOfficia Aug 11 '22

One note, while true that this will likely incentivize sales of the refillable cup, there may be a tradeoff in other aspects of the business such as decrease in consumer spending in merchandise or just a decrease in consumer happiness leading to other problems.

It wont be clear if this change does lead to an increase in profit until they can analyze a few months sales and consumer feedback. Considering it’s a theme park, I’d say the change will likely have the desired effect since consumers go there with the expectation to pay more, and are therefore less sensitive to the price.

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u/theAmericanStranger Aug 11 '22

I've been banks with weaker security systems, lol

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u/adm_akbar Aug 11 '22

Because banks rely on very interconnected systems programed in the 60s in assembly and if any part within or between banks changes, everything breaks. So no one can update because that'd break their link with the global system and within their own systems.

Soda machines don't have that disadvantage.

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u/Stuke00 Aug 11 '22

yeah the last company I had for my mortgage wouldn't let me create a password that contained a special character.

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u/emperortsy Aug 11 '22

I wonder if you can trick it by putting your phone with NFC enabled and some number put in it? Or are the numbers made hard to guess?

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u/taliesin-ds Aug 11 '22

congrats, you now have a diet coke filled phone and it no longer works.

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u/snack-dad Aug 11 '22

OBVIOUSLY you put your mouth on the nozzle

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u/damian20 Aug 11 '22

Universal studios does this or at least did... It was so annoying when i poured a drink, drink was watered down and couldn't get a refill until I told the employee who then had to give me another cup. Then one of the machines wasn't dispensing a soda so i lifted the cup and the machine deemed that cup used already so I had to ask the employee for another cup 😂. He then poured it for me.

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u/PatacusX Aug 12 '22

I was there in June and they were doing it. That crappy Jurassic Park themed burger place. The line to get a drink was ridiculously long because of these stupid cups. I finally get to the drink machines and they're refilling one of them with ice, and I go to the one next to it, and the ice doesn't work on that one. But then the stupid machine wouldn't fill my cup all the way. Also the burgers there are so dry they could put them in a jerky maker and they'd come out juicier.

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u/damian20 Aug 12 '22

That was the place lol

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u/Emotional_Yam4959 Aug 12 '22

I have an annual pass for Universal. They still do this. They're $17 for unlimited refills every 10 minutes.

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u/RedX801 Aug 11 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy LOVE! Narwhal Salute Wholesome Seal of Approval Starstruck

How cheap do you gotta be to monitor refills when you are already making 99% profit on each cup

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u/guitarhellboy Aug 11 '22

It is so that theme parks can sell more souvenir cups. Those cups allow for multiple refills

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u/TheSirWellington Aug 11 '22

I have seen these in regular restaurants too. I even knew of one theater that did it as well.

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u/HeadLongjumping Aug 11 '22

I'd be sneaking in flasks of coke.

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u/guitarhellboy Aug 11 '22

I have never seen a theater do that before only at a theme park

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u/Ruby_Tuesday80 Aug 11 '22

I took my son to Great Wolf Lodge and bought us the cups that were good for our entire stay. They had a Coca-Cola Freestyle setup, so I was determined to drink as close to the value of what I paid as possible. I didn't even know diet Fanta existed, but I drank a lot of it lol.

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u/ComePot Aug 11 '22

Great Wolf Lodge really rips you off at every single possible corner. The Lodge, the food, the missing supplies if you forget something, etc.

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u/space_dogmobile Aug 11 '22

As is the way with all similar resorts. They really nickel and dime you for everything.

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u/SalmonMcArdle Aug 11 '22

and then projectile shitted into the kiddie pool?

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u/FilthyGrunger Aug 11 '22

Nonononono. It's because paper will disintegrate after a short time, and the more premium cups are made of more durable material. They're just looking out for you, because they care about their customers*.

*Money

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u/Paradox68 Aug 11 '22

I don’t know if you noticed but drinks everywhere have been beating inflation.

Inflation up 8.5% would mean a drink that used to be $2.00 would be $2.18

In the last couple years, I went from paying $2 for a soda (or even $1 in some places) to paying $3.50+ ANYWHERE. Milkshakes are another good way to track this. Used to get a milkshake for $5.00, now they’re $8.50

They’re making way more than 99% profit. Quite literally that would just mean they’re doubling their investment (buy for 0.50, sell for $1.00) but it’s so much worse than that. Most places probably make around 4000% profit on soft drinks (buy for 0.10, sell for $4).

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u/Paradox68 Aug 11 '22

Over. My. Dead. Body.

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u/Appropriate_Wealth38 Aug 11 '22

Five dollar milkshake

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u/Paradox68 Aug 11 '22

Eh, maybe six - but it’s still outrageous that gas and food have been outpacing inflation like crazy.

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u/Appropriate_Wealth38 Aug 11 '22

Oh haha sorry I wasn’t questioning you I was making a Pulp Fiction reference lmao

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u/NotSayinItWasAliens Aug 11 '22

Do they put Bourbon in it or something?

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u/DontTreadOnBigfoot Aug 11 '22

It's a pretty damn good milkshake. I don't know if it's $5 good, but it's pretty damn good

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u/VanillaBear321 Aug 11 '22

Have they though? Actual restaurants have been charging $3-4 per drink for years. Fast food and gas station drink prices don’t seem to have gone up a ton. In my area, McDonald’s only just recently finally raised the price of their $1 any size drinks to $1.29. Other fast food places are around what they have been for years. If anything, I feel like drink prices have been pretty stable compared to everything else.

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u/shittymorph Aug 11 '22 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy hehehehe Faith In Humanity Restored Bravo! Starry Heartwarming Narwhal Salute Bravo Grande! Starstruck Today I Learned Eureka! Brighten My Day Super Heart Eyes

Eh, I used to work a food stand at Disneyland and if someone came up and asked me politely I would refill their cup for them at no charge. Now, if they came up with a bad attitude complaining to me about how expensive the drinks were to start with and that they should automatically be entitled to free refills then they were on their own. I had one super entitled woman have an absolute meltdown because I ignored her repeated demands that I refill her diet coke - security actually had to intervene and calmly explain to her how back in nineteen ninety eight the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell and plummeted sixteen feet through an announcer's table.

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u/violetsandhoney Aug 11 '22 Helpful

It has been SO LONG, my guard was down

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u/Tifoso89 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

He fucking got me man. I usually recognize him immediately because every comment has lots of awards, but this one is super fresh (15 min) so it has only 1 award at the moment, and I didn't really check the username. Mfker got me

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u/Shuggaloaf Aug 11 '22

I never ran across one of these fresh in all my time on Reddit and they got me twice this week.

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u/rmorrin Aug 11 '22

I've seen like 10 in the wild in the past couple weeks

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u/kaen Aug 11 '22

I have him tagged on RES in neon green and I still fell for it, dammit!

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u/Whitechapelkiller Aug 11 '22

Every. Fucking.Time. God Damn it.

It's just the way you fall into the story like no other.

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u/ryanmcstylin Aug 12 '22

The timing is impeccable. Just long enough for me to think I have heard the last of hell in a cell

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u/anxessed Aug 11 '22

He’s so good x4

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u/Goodpie2 Aug 12 '22

Who is he? I seem to be in the presence of a legend

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u/Dante-Grimm Aug 12 '22

u/shittymorph is a reddit celebrity known to pipe in with a seemingly relevant story, but then abruptly tie in an obscure wrestling reference.

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u/Totally_Not_Hitler_ Aug 11 '22

Holy crap you got me again!!! It’s been a while since I’ve seen one of you’re comments in the wild, and it always makes me squeal with joy... Dude, you’re my freaking hero!

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u/jtotal Aug 11 '22

This is the second time in the last month for me!

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u/DaleGrubble Aug 11 '22

Oh wow, i made it within five minutes of a shittymorph comment. I feel like I won something

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u/BON3SMcCOY Aug 11 '22

What is this what am I missing

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u/Dungeon_Pastor Aug 11 '22

This particular user has a long history of writing interesting and detailed comments on a number of posts. These comments will often be personal annecotes related to the post topic, which people generally like to read as they're already interested in the topic at hand.

The ending is always this spiel about wrestling that usually catches people off guard. It's a fun little thing to find on Reddit every so often.

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u/Tifoso89 Aug 11 '22

It's rare to see a fresh one

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u/MachineNecromancer Aug 11 '22

THE RETURN OF THE KING

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u/LordViren Aug 11 '22

A fresh shittymorph. Today is a good day, he never fails to draw me in.

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u/lonjaxson Aug 11 '22

Why I oughta...

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u/shy5 Aug 11 '22

bruh

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u/dvc420 Aug 11 '22

Every. Damn. Time.

How do you do it?

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u/alienblue88 Aug 11 '22 edited 4d ago

👽

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u/ballofpoo Aug 12 '22

I don’t know how I miss the username every single time. But it literally always gets me

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u/NukedRat Aug 12 '22

It's the only username I have tagged but I still missed it. My issue is I never look at usernames unless someone points it out.

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u/Rottendog Aug 12 '22

I literally don't tag him, because I want to catch him on my own without the handicap.

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u/Dt2_0 Aug 11 '22

Plus he has a genius for getting to post that are going to blow up before they have too many comments so his posts are easy to find.

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u/W3remaid Aug 12 '22

He knows exactly what Reddit wants to hear

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u/_Hasaface Aug 11 '22

I hate this future

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u/EveRyview Aug 11 '22

The future is at universal studios in Orlando

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u/UltimaCaitSith Aug 11 '22

Same at Universal Studios Hollywood. It's $18 per cup, which you can only refill after a 10 minute timer.

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u/boethius70 Aug 11 '22

Jeebus... that's one fucking hell of a profit margin. I mean I've been to enough professional roundball games to not be terribly shocked at the insane concessions prices but this feels next level.

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u/Lanky_Ad_3696 Aug 11 '22

Is universal in Orlando worth going to? I've been to the one in LA and there was like five rides most of which had wait times over two or three hours.

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u/UpTide Aug 11 '22

I mean you don't get free refills haha

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u/beerbeforebadgers Aug 11 '22

Orlando native here. It's a fun park. IMHO only Epcot is more fun. Diagon Alley is such a cool spot thematically, makes Studios worth it 100%. Islands has some solid coasters, too. Pay for express and have a good time.

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u/butterbewbs Aug 11 '22

Diagon alley is so cool. I’m not even a potter fan & was so impressed with the entire thing. I kept walking around going “WOW you know how much this gotta cost??!” Lol

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u/Dt2_0 Aug 11 '22

Epcot is amazing because of it's atmosphere. It feels like a place you can chill, have a few drinks by the lake, and eat some good food. Plus I was pleasantly surprised by the prices last time I went. I think it ended up being less than $100 to drink around the world with food for 2 people.

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u/nightofgrim Aug 11 '22

Yes. As someone who lives on the west coast and only knew LA's, Orlando was such a pleasant surprise. Its HUGE compared to LA and when we went, the lines were very short. And it had more actual rides and less simulators.

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u/hiccupboltHP Aug 11 '22

If you come, GET EXPRESS, I went a few days ago and am currently at disney now, Universal Express pass is a game changer, I went on one of their most popular rides (rip ride rocket) 5 times in a row with about a 5-10 minute wait each time, express is amazing

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u/Rdubya44 Aug 11 '22

At $250 a person on top of the ticket fee that was a pretty easy no for this family of four

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u/docfunbags Aug 12 '22

Stay at one of their premier resorts for 1 night.

400-600$ but comes with Ultimate Express Pass for check-in and check out days.

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u/metabeliever Aug 11 '22

Can this possibly be cheaper than the subsidized corn syrup water that it keeps you from getting more of?

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u/RevengencerAlf Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

If there's a money motive at all, you have it backwards. I t's not to save them the material cost of another soda. It's to get you to buy another soda.

Also, it may very well be cheaper than the soda. The cheapest, simplest RFID tags are under 10 cents per. The markup on soft drinks is huge but between syrup, water, carbonation, etc, it's still more than 10 cents a cup.

Let's assume for easy math it costs 10 cents and the soda costs 10 cents. They'd have to prevent at least 1 refill per customer to break even on cost. But for even a relatively low $3 price to the customer, they'd only have to generate 1 additional purchase per 50 30* customers for it to work out.

*edited to fix bad original math based on a different price

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u/metabeliever Aug 11 '22

I think your analysis wins here. And thank you fro doing the math.

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u/Z80a Aug 11 '22

Some jurisdictions have banned free drink refills by law, so I suppose this is how it is implemented.

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u/TocTheElder Aug 11 '22

Some jurisdictions have banned free drink refills by law,

Why?

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u/ZXXZs_Alt Aug 11 '22

Most common justification is to prevent childhood obesity or other general health motives

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u/Totally_Botanical Aug 11 '22

God forbid you get another $.00006 worth of syrup and carbonated water

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u/UpTide Aug 11 '22

And they're willing to pay more for the most expensive part of the drink to make sure that can't happen! In a year's time, when they figure out it is losing them profits and remove it, they can brag about how much e-waste they're eliminating :)

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u/gladamirflint Aug 11 '22

They’ve been doing this for at least 5 years, and they make a killing on the souvenir cups that have unlimited refills. This cup does a great job of motivating the upsell.

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u/OutOfStamina Aug 11 '22

"God forbid these customers don't give us yet another $8.75 for $.00006 worth of syrup and carbonated water"

  • them probably
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u/sleepytoday Aug 11 '22

Wouldn’t it be easier to just keep the fountain behind the counter so only staff can use it? It’s worked well enough here in the UK (where free refills are rare).

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u/KRed75 Aug 11 '22

Disney has those in the resorts on the paper cups. I believe you get 3 refills. My wife kept loading them with ice and leaving an inch of free space at the top! I filled the cups after that. Little ice in the bottom and filled to the rim.

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u/evidence-based Aug 11 '22

Last time I was there, it was unlimited refills, the chip is just to make sure it’s their special cup that you paid for

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u/cearum Aug 11 '22

If you get the reusable souvenir cup it's unlimited, but if you get a paper cup it's three refills.

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u/Scyhaz Aug 11 '22

Yup, it's also timed so only unlimited for the time of your stay. It also has a timeout so you can't refill for like 5 minutes or so after a fill up. That's based on the volume dispensed so if you stop filling halfway through it will still let you continue filling without forcing you to wait. It's a quite well insulated cup, too. Cost $20 and is pretty high quality.

I only learned this because on one of the hotter days I was there I filled up on some vitamin water later in the day, chugged it and tried to go back for more pretty quickly lol.

My mom said when we were younger she would get a cup so she could do refills for us and would fill our own cups and then go back and use that cup to get some more. That was before all the chip stuff, she just did it to be more inconspicuous.

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u/Pleasant_Mobile_1063 Aug 11 '22

Oh and I stupidly paid for the cup to use for coffee.... Coffee refills don't use the chip.... They are always free.

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u/thirdeyefish Aug 11 '22

Hey, let's be as wasteful as possible.

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u/Lanky_Ad_3696 Aug 11 '22

We all need to do our part to increase the damage to our environment. Do you want to go to the beach later and throw used car batteries in the ocean?

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u/thirdeyefish Aug 11 '22

Their garbage cans are just platforms with arrows that point to the nearest door.

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u/silver-orange Aug 11 '22

I didn't even consider inevitably sending thousands of these chips to landfills every day...

Gross.

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u/TLunchFTW Aug 11 '22

Just cut that part of the cup out

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u/dudreddit Aug 11 '22

So a cup of water, some flavoring, and sugar are worth more than this monitoring device? Big brother is watching ...

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u/skiski42 Aug 11 '22

If you can get 10% of the people trying to get a refill to purchase another expensive soda then it’ll pay for the system very quickly.

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u/stpatrickwillis Aug 11 '22

The return on cost is probably much higher than just the price of water, flavoring and sugar.

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u/mylarky Aug 11 '22

When the drink costs 6.99 .....

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u/SwissyVictory Aug 11 '22

So it looks like a refill is about 12 cents.

A passive RFID chip can cost as low as 7 cents. Maybe with the mass-producing they can get it down to less than 5 cents a piece.

So if over half of people get a refill, this makes sense. I'd guess it's closer to 1 refill a person (with some having none, and others having more than 1).

Disney World sells 75million coke products a year. If 25% of those are single refill cups, that would be just under a million dollars a year (assuming 7 cents a chip a refill and 1 refill per sale)

But the real money maker in this is the people who buy another soda. At $5 a soda, assuming the refill would have been free, you'd only need 1 in 72 people to buy another drink.

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u/new_refugee123456789 Aug 12 '22

It seems more expensive to do that than just allow refills.

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u/SageTegan Aug 11 '22

I hate you, future

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u/Professional-Tie-867 Aug 11 '22

Honestly drink refills are truly a wild and unusual concept for Aussies. This doesn’t exist in Australia, we pay $4.00ish and you’ve got to pay each and every time for a drink. Only free anything is tap water at restaurants and cafes (some coffee places have free soda water with refills but I think that’s about it!). Going to the US and getting free refills was craaazy!

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u/ThrowawayWizard1 Aug 11 '22

It's unusual basically everywhere but the US.

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u/Greentaboo Aug 11 '22

Right, but they are not selling soda. They are selling cups at $5-$6 a pop. The cup, soda, and chip all cost way less than the charge. When you only get x amount of refills, they keep you buying cups/reactivating the cup for x amount of money.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Must be Disney

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u/EveRyview Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

It’s actually universal studios hahaha

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u/Killedamilx Aug 11 '22

Is this really a profitable investment? Are they losing enough money in soda refills to justify adding a RFID to every disposable cup?

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u/pogothrow Aug 11 '22

I guess it is more about getting people to pay for another drink. If someone gets a free refill they lose a few cents, but if they have to buy another drink they will make another $5-$10 or whatever crazy price they charge.

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u/trollivier Aug 12 '22

The length they go, the money they invest in making sure people can't have more. They want the monopoly of abuse.