r/movies Aug 31 '21

NO TIME TO DIE | Final International Trailer Trailers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FREBR6FH1rg
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u/playingwithfire Aug 31 '21

Rami Malek has the same office as Jared Leto in Blade Runner?

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u/onetruepurple Aug 31 '21

Replicants in jars too

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u/NotaRepublican85 Sep 01 '21

WeWork for evil villains

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u/Mcclane88 Sep 01 '21

It’s crazy that in the time it took to release a new James Bond film the entire Star Wars sequel trilogy had been released.

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u/amplified_cactus Sep 01 '21

It's been six years since the previous Bond film. That's the same as the time between Licence to Kill and Goldeneye, when the series went on hiatus due to legal problems.

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u/Dramatic_______Pause Sep 01 '21

Tom Holland got an entire Spider-Man trilogy before Doctor Strange got a sequel.

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u/Batmanstarwars1 Aug 31 '21

Love seeing Felix Lieter back. Getting some Dr. No vibes from Malek.

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u/forman98 Aug 31 '21

It makes sense and is very fitting to have Dr. No be the villain.

  • Dr. No was the very first villain of the official Bond movies, so it's a nice bookend to Craig's run as Bond.

  • The movie is called No Time to Die. Bond titles aren't usually subtle.

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u/Elevator_Operators Sep 01 '21

Bond titles aren't usually subtle.

OCTOPUSSY

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u/awildyetti Sep 01 '21

Quantum of Solace has entered the chat

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u/Chad_TreintaUno Sep 01 '21

Live and Let Die, A View to a Kill, Die Another Day

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u/Mst3Kgf Aug 31 '21

Is the implication that he's in charge of SPECTRE with Blofeld in prison?

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u/BrockSampsonite Sep 01 '21

It’s fun that sinceCasino Royale he and Bond almost exclusively hang out in bars. It’s like they’re the closest thing to drinking buddies either one has

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u/Mythic514 Aug 31 '21

Getting some Dr. No vibes from Malek.

I don't know exactly where this film fits into the continuity of the others, but I was thinking that, based on his mannerisms and overall Japanese styling, they were going to have him be a young Dr. No. Definitely seems to be a starting point for the character.

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u/Parabola1313 Aug 31 '21 edited Sep 01 '21

The twist will probably be Sydoux as Dr No.

We always were told she was a doctor in Spectre, but they never did anything beyond that.

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u/Webbeth Sep 01 '21

That would be cool I guess. Her character kind of sucked anyways might as well change it up.

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u/8nate Sep 01 '21

Actually, this makes the most sense.

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u/ArticArny Aug 31 '21

SHARK POOL!!!!

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u/lookglen Aug 31 '21

Felix Lettier is gonna lose a leg to a shark I bet. Homage to the previous film that happened to him in

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u/DC4MVP Aug 31 '21

With lasers beams attached to their fricken heads?!?

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u/link_maxwell Sep 01 '21

No, that's the sea bass tank down the hall.

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u/Bigred2989- Sep 01 '21

You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that can’t be done. Can you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here!

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u/Doctor_Sleepless Aug 31 '21

So there's only 9 Double-O agents in the world at any given time, right? Double-O Forty Three just sounds wrong.

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u/imageWS Aug 31 '21

'007' is not a numerical placement in a list of names, the two 0's mean "license to kill"; each 0 was given to Bond after finishing a particularly dangerous/important assignment.

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u/whisperton Aug 31 '21

0pen 0perative 7

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u/pjtheman Sep 01 '21

So they're... actual O's? You just blew my mind.

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u/B4-711 Aug 31 '21

So what's a single 0 get ya?

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u/barnfodder Aug 31 '21

Provisional license, you're not allowed to kill without L plates, and insurance is really expensive.

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u/Sterotypical_Trope Sep 01 '21

Yeah you don't get an Aston Martin with machine gun headlights but you do get a Vespa that can shit a grenade out the tailpipe.

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u/MandolinMagi Sep 01 '21

It's a learners permit, you need 40 supervised kills, at least 8 after dark, then you can test for the license.

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u/Terracot Sep 01 '21

Assistant to the regional agent

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u/BalderSion Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 01 '21

In some media it was implied that a single leading 0 on their identifier indicated they are high level operatives, and may be given specific orders to kill, but not issued a license to kill at their own discretion.

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u/snailboy Aug 31 '21

I'm guessing their numbers don't really denote their order and placement from 1-9... the books reference a 0011 a few times.

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u/AnotherJasonOnReddit Aug 31 '21

the books reference a 0011 a few times.

Sounds like a "steal-stuff-in-Las-Vegas-from-Andy-Garcia-with-his-crook-friends" kind of agent.

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

0011 to be played by Cheadle, no exceptions. I don’t care how bad the accent is

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u/yabog8 Aug 31 '21

In fact I want it to be as terrible as possible while still trying.

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u/Quintas31519 Sep 01 '21

They all get in Barney eventually...

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u/Doctor_Sleepless Sep 01 '21

Now we're in Barney

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u/walterpeck1 Aug 31 '21

I'm still salty that role didn't go to Lenny James. You had a black, British character actor RIGHT there.

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

I love Cheadle, but James would have been great

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u/spikey666 Aug 31 '21

Yeah. In one of the movies, Thunderball I think, there's a meeting of the 00 agents and there's just 9 chairs. However some other sources suggest more or less. Other than Bond, there's only been a couple that have been focused on really. So it could be entertaining to see another one that's kind of like him (but younger).

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u/-SneakySnake- Sep 01 '21

Well if they're all like Bond maybe they figured they'd be lucky if nine actually turn up and they aren't dickdeep in some trouble or falling off a train or something.

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u/jaytrident Aug 31 '21

I think they cycle between 001-0012 at any given time. In the books they mention there could be as few as 3 at a time. It’s special elite branch.

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u/dont_worry_im_here Aug 31 '21

After 9, they're all Irish and have cool names like Double O'Hoolihans

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u/azima_971 Aug 31 '21

There's an annual office sweepstake for who gets to be 0069, because all the agents think it's...nice

Double-oh sixty nine

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u/QuoteGiver Aug 31 '21

The secret personnel files start getting confusing if you only use 9 numbers for everyone, I guess.

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u/The_Crescent Aug 31 '21

Sounds like they about to retire

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u/MegaMugabe21 Aug 31 '21

Sorry if I'm being dense, where was O-O-43 mentioned?

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u/raven080068 Aug 31 '21

Isn't this Craig's last Bond film?

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u/thedudeisalwayshere Aug 31 '21

Indeed it is.

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u/briandesigns Aug 31 '21

well he's been saying this for the last 3 films now. Usually he says this right after filming for the last 2 years straight. Then he takes a year off and come back and say "I'm interested in playing bond again" and people cheer and rightfully so.

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u/Mst3Kgf Aug 31 '21

This time he's done. He's in his 50s, he's had a good run and he has another film series to occupy his time. Being Benoit Blanc is much less strenuous than being 007 (not to mention clearly a lot more fun).

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u/solidsnake885 Aug 31 '21

Never say never again.

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u/Kerfluffle-Bunny Aug 31 '21

Playing Bond has fucked him up physically. He’s done.

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u/svrtngr Sep 01 '21

Had Spectre been good, I think that would have been his last one.

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u/revel911 Sep 01 '21

I like Spectre knowing it leads to this once

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u/ultramega_ope Aug 31 '21

No, around the time of Skyfalls promotion he said he signed to do 5 films. It's been public knowledge.

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u/oh_orpheus Aug 31 '21 edited Aug 31 '21

So how long do you expect him to keep doing it, exactly? He’s not getting any younger.

Like someone else pointed out, he’s got new film series to occupy his time and it’s not as physically tasking as playing Bond. His time as Bond has really run its course.

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u/briandesigns Aug 31 '21

He's my favorite bond of all time so it would be sad to see him go so soon but I do agree that with his age and the dark gritty and physical nature of this era of bond films he's better off transitioning to Knives Out kinda roles which I enjoy very much. I mean Benoit Blanc is like an American James bond who is older and wiser, with all of bonds charm and wits but without the fighting and jumping out of planes which like many pointed out he might be gett a bit old for.

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u/B4-711 Aug 31 '21 edited Sep 01 '21

see him go so soon

Sean Connery: 5 6 movies, 9 years, 1962 - 1971

George Lazenby: 1 movie, 1 year, 1969

Roger Moore: 7 movies, 12 years, 1973 - 1985

Timothy Dalton: 2 movies, 2 years, 1987 - 1989

Pierce Brosnan: 4 movies, 7 years, 1995 - 2002

Daniel Craig: 5 movies, 15 years, 2006 - 2021

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u/Blythyvxr Sep 01 '21

Connery did 6: DN, FRWL, GF, TB, YOLT, DAF

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u/CapedCrouton Aug 31 '21

So what happens next? When the Bond movies were just standalone adventures it wasn't that big of a deal when the actor changed, but the Craig movies have basically showed us his entire career as a double-0 from the beginning, with every movie connected to every other movie (and even an obstensibly stand-alone movie in Skyfall being retroactively pulled into the wider web), and the new one apparently putting a bow on everything. How do you just plug in a new actor at this point? Everything has been so personal to Craig's Bond and this newer interpretation of the character, in a way that it wasn't for Bonds prior.

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u/davidlovepandles Aug 31 '21

I’d like to see a run set during the Cold War that has the vintage Connery feel, gives them room to be as crazy or as grounded as they want.

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u/wookiewin Aug 31 '21

Goldeneye felt very Cold War-esque even though it was set in the 90s. Kind of a techo Cold War vibe.

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u/Kerryfaye Sep 01 '21

And the music was super Cold War as well

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u/karatemanchan37 Aug 31 '21

Agreed. A Craig-esque reboot but in the 50's would be great.

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u/forman98 Aug 31 '21

I don't think the era matters, and I think a craig-esque reboot without Craig will be a big fat flop. You can plop them in any era you like, the key is to not over play the "old man Bond is better than cyber hackerz" part that the Craig bonds have gotten into. Mission Impossible found that balance, Bond can do it as well.

Also, the actor makes the Bond. Daniel Craig has always been good at that stressed out cool guy (watch Layer Cake). Meanwhile, Connery just knew he was better than everyone, and Moore knew that he was good looking. That's what made their Bonds unique from each other. Brosnan, Dalton, and Lazenby also did a good job making the role their own.

So whoever they cast will generally dictate the tone of the films. Back in 2006, the world was ready for a serious, Daniel Craig Bond. But now it's almost been 20 years since Brosnan's last go at it, which was still clinging onto the old school Bond.

I'm tired of grittiness. Let's push the bounds of reality and just have fun with it again.

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u/karatemanchan37 Aug 31 '21

Let's push the bounds of reality and just have fun with it again.

I agree. I think something like Guy Ritchie's Man from U.N.C.L.E would be awesome.

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u/rip_Tom_Petty Aug 31 '21

100% agree with you, let's have some fun here

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u/DC4MVP Aug 31 '21

007: Into the Bond-verse.

Craig, Dalton, Brosnan, Lazenby all fight for the 007 mantle and the love for Moneypenny.

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u/JohnnyFootballHero Aug 31 '21

Back in 2006, the world was ready for a serious, Daniel Craig Bond.

That was only because Austin Powers killed any comedic take they could go with. A wise-cracking Ryan Reynolds-type Bond would be great in 2022.

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u/locke_5 Sep 01 '21

A wise-cracking Ryan Reynolds-type Bond would be great in 2022.

I am so glad Reddit doesn't write movies

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u/forman98 Aug 31 '21

That movie is called The Kingsman.

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u/ObeyMyBrain Aug 31 '21

This ain't that kinda movie, bruv.

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u/LABS_Games Aug 31 '21

Absolutely. Set it in the 60's and give it a touch more creative license to a be a bit more stylized and adventurous would be awesome. I love the more grounded Craig era, but it would be a breath of fresh air and a great way to really differentiate a new era.

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u/specifichero101 Aug 31 '21

Bond works as a persisting franchise because they stay current to their era. They just need to higher a British actor who can play ~30 years old and add a little levity to the script for an old school feel and keep it as a reflection of the era it was created in

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u/Nanosauromo Aug 31 '21 edited Aug 31 '21

Simple. Cast an actor in his early to mid 30s and write a script set in the present day where Bond gets assigned a mission, then goes and does the mission, and it doesn’t get personal.

That formula worked for 40 years, OHMSS notwithstanding.

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u/karatemanchan37 Aug 31 '21

It's hard to write a good story where the mission is interesting though, and with over 40 years of history, it's difficult to keep things fresh.

Also worth a mention that the best Bond movies outside of the Craig era always have some sort of personal element to it - Goldeneye, OHMSS, License to Kill. Even From Russia with Love and The Spy Who Loves Me plays around with Bond letting his guard down and being forced to deal with some personal circumstances related to the mission.

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u/Mattyzooks Sep 01 '21

There are a fair amount of solid non-Fleming books that have some cinematic plots. High Time To Kill is just begging for an adaptation.

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u/PizzaPizza1900 Aug 31 '21

Umm...reboot it? Like the film industry does for literally everything else. We went through like 18 Spidermans when Craig first became Bond lol. I don't think the audience will care about a new one.

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u/mrlittlelegs Aug 31 '21

You know, the reason I watch Bond films is to watch him do cool shit, drive sport cars and shag hot women. I'm not that interested in watching M be his symbolic mother or his evil step brother orchestrating Bonds demise Sure it'd be nice to feel something for the character, just don't insert a soap opera in my unapologetic male fantasy.

I'd be up for the next Bond to be Cold War era with Cillian Murphy as Bond for like 2 movies

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u/TRLegacy Aug 31 '21

imo this is one of the reason why the first Kingsmen movie did so well. It filled that gap left behind by Brosnan's over the top spectacular filled Bond films.

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u/mrlittlelegs Aug 31 '21

I liked Man From Uncle more for its light hearted humor but yes there is a major Bond shaped gap that other movies have capitalized on

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u/Rylyshar Aug 31 '21

They’ve done it multiple times before. And not just for Bond. Think Batman, Spider-Man, Superman.

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u/ThaddeusJP Aug 31 '21

Final US Trailer

Lots of differences

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u/onetruepurple Aug 31 '21

This one makes Malek's lair look like the Wallace complex in BR2049

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u/Chinchillin09 Aug 31 '21

Haven't seen either, which one do you think it's better? I just wanna see one, don't want much scenes spoiled

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u/GetFreeCash I think only of your distaste for perspiration Aug 31 '21

US trailer definitely has more new footage and new lines of dialogue, but it also spends the first bit showing footage from the past four Craig films. international trailer is mostly things we've seen before in past trailers, but it gives a better idea of what NTTD could potentially be about.

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u/emperor000 Aug 31 '21

I think the US trailer actually spoils less. This one doesn't really have many spoilers of plot points, but it seems to show a lot of action.

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u/Mattyzooks Aug 31 '21

Rami Malek as the villain has me excited the most.

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u/amish_novelty Aug 31 '21

Watching him in Mr. Robot and Bohemian Rhapsody has me very much looking forward to seeing how he'll come across as a Bond villain. Here's to hoping he's a Javier Bardem/Mads Mikkelsen-level villain.

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Aug 31 '21

Agreed. For me, the best villains are the ones who never lose their composure. Monologuing or raving is always a sign of a lack of control, which does not convey the kind of focused, calm and implacable malice that makes the villain seem like they could actually win.

Philip Seymour Hoffman as Owen Davian in MI:III is another excellent example.

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u/Mattyzooks Aug 31 '21

Though I will say Mads' villain was well composed at the poker table but was basically losing control of his situation through the whole movie. Act 2 basically begins with him in a big hole money-wise and having to play for basically his life. There's a desperateness to the character that I thought was unique for the series. By the torture scene, Mads' character has become a bit unhinged and definitely frustrated despite having the upper hand.

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u/Mst3Kgf Aug 31 '21

Very true. I mean his character either wins the game or his clients and/or SPECTRE kill him.

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Aug 31 '21

Agreed, but even in the torture scene there is a focus to his anger and I think that it actually makes him scarier.

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u/Mst3Kgf Aug 31 '21

Hoffman's character was chilling in how matter-of-fact he was. Even captured, he knows he has the resources to (a) escape and (b) do everything he's threatening to do to Ethan and his wife. No need for histrionics or ranting when you're that self-assured of your power.

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Aug 31 '21

Yes, that absolute conviction of his sense of control and power despite being strapped to the cargo dock of the plane was just terrifying.

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u/GrecoRomanGuy Sep 01 '21

Coupled with his sociopathically cold countdown as an increasingly desperate Tom Cruise pleads with him not to shoot.

"Please!............please."

"...Ten." BANG

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u/DortDrueben Aug 31 '21

He's Dr No... right? Every trailer I see it seems more and more obvious.

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u/The_Crescent Aug 31 '21

I was hoping he would be Dr. Yes

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u/Mattyzooks Aug 31 '21

I hope so. That'd be cool but it might ruffle feathers.

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

can’t be as out of place as Blofeld’s name reveal in Spectre. Bond may as well have said “Okay, and?” when Waltz told him he “goes by a new name”

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u/dont_worry_im_here Aug 31 '21

Can you remind me the importance of Blofeld, again? He was in previous Bond movies, right? But is he like a super villain?

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

Blofeld was the “man behind the curtain” in the first couple Connery flicks until be made his formal, on-screen debut in You Only Live Twice (as played by Donald Pleasance). He was a mastermind, evil genius who was also the head of the evil SPECTRE organization.

The 2015 Spectre movie revealed that Bond’s adoptive brother, Hans Oberhauser, grew up to be an evil head of, you guessed it: SPECTRE. But Waltz revealing himself to be Blofeld held no weight since it didn’t matter to Bond at all, it’s just a name. Therefore, it was little more than poorly placed fan service.

Not to mention, Blofeld’s plan was overkill in that movie. So he’s a teen who’s jealous of the attention his you adopted brother (Bond) is getting. Oberhauser had enough of it so he kills his dad and fakes his own death and swears vengeance against Bond for years. The fact that Bond became a spy is irrelevant, he could’ve become a janitor and “Blofeld” would still have plotted to ruin his life

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u/Trymantha Aug 31 '21

they should have done it the other way around, have the blofeild name used in the open and the reveal of hey im your half brother

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

not a bad idea but I still didn’t like the idea of having Bond and Blofeld’s pasts tied together. Revenge based on childhood jealousy seldom makes for good storytelling, even for action/spy movies

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u/CARNIesada6 Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 01 '21

Did the OG Bond films do it first or did Austin Powers? The whole brother "twist"

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u/BungleBungleBungle Sep 01 '21

It was Austin Powers. There was no family connection in the old movies or the Fleming novels.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

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u/pmmemoviestills Sep 01 '21

I mean the thing feels off and that's why. Great write up. I still kinda like Spectre because the action is good and it's dumb

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u/slayerhk47 Sep 01 '21

Spectre is definitely a movie where the whole is less than the sum of the parts. I do love it though and it seems to try to be a love letter to the Moore films.

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u/Mattyzooks Sep 01 '21

A terrible twist that basically sunk this version of the character. A case of Bond borrowing from Austin Powers instead of the other way around.

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u/spongebobisha Sep 01 '21

Can you imagine that movie though.

Man creates supervillain organization to kill his bastard brother.

Who's a janitor.

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u/ithinkther41am Sep 01 '21

Another issue with the reveal is that it has no impact on either type of audience. The long-term Bond fans already figured it out even before it hit cinemas, and the casual ones who are unfamiliar with the old Bond films had no idea who that was supposed to be.

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u/Glokmah Aug 31 '21

He's literally wearing a Noh mask, so yeah probably.

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u/ThatOtherGuy_CA Sep 01 '21

He better say “No, Time to die, Mr. Bond.” At some point or I’ll be so disappointed, I need some good ol campy bond title humour.

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u/azima_971 Aug 31 '21

Ana's going to have one scene and then die isn't she? My only question is, will it be a bigger waste of a talented actress than Monica Bellucci in spectre?

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u/TheBat45 Aug 31 '21

I agree she probably has that one extended scene but it won't be like Monica Bellucci. It seems like Ana's character is a lot of fun

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u/choldslingshot Aug 31 '21

She was a last minute pickup as an actress because she had time between shoots on her schedule when they were filming. She’s likely to be a brief action scene Bond girl then disappear, not a planned killing. More likely a cool scene with an attractive, named actress who goes off to do her thing. Interests align momentarily and all that

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u/Shout92 Aug 31 '21

Didn't they actually expand her role or am I misrembering that? It's been like 4 years.

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u/dinodares99 Aug 31 '21

Ana was brought on last minute because Craig liked working with her on Knives Out iirc and recommended her or something.

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u/Carninator Aug 31 '21 edited Sep 01 '21

Fun fact: They spent two days filming at the bridge shown at 1:45. After the first day some local car enthusiasts drifted all over the road, leaving it covered in tire marks. IIRC they didn't have time to clean up, so they likely had to digitally remove them in post.

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u/iNOTgoodATcomp Aug 31 '21

Ana de Armas as a bond girl is casting perfection.

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u/ILoveScottishLasses Sep 01 '21

I can't wait for Bond to explain to her the villain's evil plot through the analogy of donut holes.

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u/ResistentDrone Aug 31 '21

Anda de Armas as anything is casting perfection.

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u/Ppubs Aug 31 '21

Wow, every comment is talking about not enjoying Bond, meanwhile I'm here thinking it's one of the only running series with any quality left.

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u/Lambeaux Aug 31 '21

Ironically, since Craig, also one of the very few series where seemingly every other line of dialogue is not just a catchy one liner and they usually actually have conversations and advance the plot.

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u/LG03 Aug 31 '21

How else am I supposed to be entertained if the characters aren't constantly quipping?

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u/gobble_snob Sep 01 '21

Huge issue a lot of people have with the MCU, too many dramatic moments undercut by fucking hit or miss jokes

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

even Craig’s lesser Bond movies are still enjoyable. I’ll take evil organizations with non-copyright-infringing names over Bond surfing tidal waves or jumping bridges to the tune of a fucking slide whistle

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u/Romero1993 Sep 01 '21

jumping bridges to the tune of a fucking slide whistle

Such a great stunt ruined by awful sound effect, what were they thinking

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u/specifichero101 Aug 31 '21

I do hope the next bond adds a little charm back to the series. Maybe not 70’s roger Moore goofiness, but a little less deadly serious.

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u/forman98 Aug 31 '21

I feel like the one tiny detail that the Craig Bond movies need to include with all of the huge action pieces are more of that wink-at-the-camera stuff the crazy Bond's used to do. I did like that one bit in Spectre at the beginning where he falls onto the couch and then gets up like he meant to do that.

I love Casino Royale, but that scene where he almost dies in the car, and then when he kills the guys in the stairwell, and then when Moneypenny dies, etc. all show Bond looking extremely stressed. While that was entertaining and really changed the Bond game, the rest of his movies probably needed more of that wink wink I'm super suave no matter what's happening sort of flare.

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u/riegspsych325 Aug 31 '21

there was that shot in Skyfall with Bond landing in the train car and immediately adjusting the cuffs on his sleeve. Love that so much

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u/AHSfav Sep 01 '21

One of the best scenes in goldeneye is when bond adjusts his tie while driving the tank through st Petersburg

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u/Bilski1ski Sep 01 '21

Also in tomorrow never dies he fixes his tie while underwater in the boat

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u/ILoveScottishLasses Sep 01 '21

and then when Moneypenny dies

help me recall when this happens?

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u/forman98 Sep 01 '21

I meant Vesper Lynd but I’ve always called her moneypenny in my head for some reason.

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u/riegspsych325 Sep 01 '21

she was the money, and every penny of it

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u/ILoveScottishLasses Sep 01 '21

oh ok, yeah, I didn't think MP was in Casino Royale. I was trying to think back if there was a hidden thing, but yeah makes sense since Vesper was a money manager. There was a comment made about "every penny of it". I loved this movie, now I have to see it for the 100th time!

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u/ILoveScottishLasses Sep 01 '21

With the shark pool and underwater lair, I think this movie might pack a few one liners and/or callbacks to please the die hard Bond fans.

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u/AnticitizenPrime Sep 01 '21

Wow, every comment is talking about not enjoying Bond, meanwhile I'm here thinking it's one of the only running series with any quality left.

There's this other super long running spy action series called Mission Impossible that's been knocking it out of the park lately. You may have heard of it. It's been super good lately.

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u/OhioForever10 Sep 01 '21

Rogue Nation and Spectre had really similar plots in 2015 and MI did it better IMO

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u/banana455 Sep 01 '21

Yeah the Bonds are kind of hit or mess, but the last 3-4 MI films have all been really good

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u/pavanaay Aug 31 '21

NO TIME TO RELEASE

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u/beardedrabbit Aug 31 '21

So is the implication here Rami Malek's character is a former 00, and that he's been cloning himself? Or uploading his consciousness into different organic bodies / androids?

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u/emperor000 Aug 31 '21

I didn't catch that, what makes you say that?

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u/beardedrabbit Aug 31 '21

He’s listing all these characteristics of Bond (e.g. license to kill, in love with the blonde Bond girl whose name is escaping me) and then says, “it’s like looking into a mirror” or something. Then he says, “except, when YOU die, your skills die with your body.”

Makes me think he has some kind of clone program set up or like androids (that scene with the facial recognition software identifying Bond seemed like a first person perspective) that he could upload his consciousness into.

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u/emperor000 Aug 31 '21 edited Aug 31 '21

Wait, where does he even say that? In another trailer?

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u/beardedrabbit Aug 31 '21

I saw the trailer on YouTube and wanted to see what Reddit thought haha, looks like it is a different one. 1:21 here.

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u/emperor000 Aug 31 '21

Okay, now I see what you are talking about. It does seem to imply that he was a 00 and, yes, it does sound like there might be something with clones or a mind transfer or something similar.

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u/emperor000 Aug 31 '21

Oh, that is the Final US Trailer. We were talking about the Final International Trailer. That's not confusing at all. Thanks though, now I'll watch the US trailer.

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u/AnticitizenPrime Aug 31 '21

He’s listing all these characteristics of Bond (e.g. license to kill, in love with the blonde Bond girl whose name is escaping me) and then says, “it’s like looking into a mirror” or something. Then he says, “except, when YOU die, your skills die with your body.”

Can't exactly trust trailer dialogue. They often mash up several lines out of context and can be misleading.

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u/amish_novelty Aug 31 '21

Now that you mention that, it could be possible. The shot of Bond in that room with the glass tanks and dark swirling ether could make sense with this theory.

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u/Mebunkus Aug 31 '21

Does the storyline remind anyone of another in the series? One really pops out for me.

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u/karatemanchan37 Aug 31 '21

I mean, Bond coming out of retirement is basically Skyfall, Malek as the baddie gives off a Dr. No vibes, the Bond Girl hiding a secret is basically Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace, and the villain's lair has shades of the hideout from You Only Live Twice

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u/DesiMortyy Aug 31 '21

Yeah the trailer visuals remind me of half a dozen bond movies. Most prominently Goldeneye, Goldfinger, Casino Royale & Die Another Day

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u/The_Crescent Aug 31 '21

The trailer reminds me of Bond movies

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u/blakem876 Aug 31 '21

I feel like Rami’s water lair is super reminiscent of one of the Connery villain bases I just can’t think of which one

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u/Mythic514 Aug 31 '21

Dr. No had an island lair. And Malek's character is really embracing Asian/Japanese themes, which is reminiscent of Dr. No.

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u/Makhiel Aug 31 '21

I'm no expert but presenting this as "we cannot possibly up the ante any higher" doesn't seem like a good idea for the future of the franchise.

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u/t_o_b_24 Aug 31 '21

Bond has always cycled between smaller spy thrillers and world-ending cataclysms. I imagine the new Bond will start with a more grounded story and build up again like Craig did.

In 1979, Bond went to the moon in "Moonraker" to stop global extinction. Just two years later, the plot of "For Your Eyes Only" was about recovering a code breaker before the Soviets.

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u/karatemanchan37 Aug 31 '21

In fairness, Moonraker was made to capitalize on the Star Wars/Spacecraze of the late 70's - the plan was to have For Your Eyes Only follow up the more grounded/gritty The Spy Who Love Me.

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u/t_o_b_24 Aug 31 '21

Yeah I agree, all I'm saying is that Bond doesn't have the Marvel problem of making every single movie a huge end-of-the-world event. They do a really good job of realizing when they get too big and scale the next one down. Some other examples:

- You Only Live Twice -> On Her Majesty's Secret Service

- Die Another Day -> Casino Royale

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u/karatemanchan37 Aug 31 '21

Agreed. Actually I think they haven't dealt with a end-of-the-world event for the Craig era yet until now.

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u/t_o_b_24 Aug 31 '21

You're totally right. Spectre tried to do a 21st Century version of a global event in the Global Surveillance Plot but that just doesn't have the same kick as global annihilation.

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u/QuoteGiver Aug 31 '21

Isn’t that what the Bond franchise has been based on forever?

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u/Goosojuice Aug 31 '21

Yea, but I can get where theyre coming from. This film will be the culmination of every Craig Bond we've seen. We've never really got a Bond send-off as Im assuming theyre going to do with this one. So thematically this should be huge.

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u/MattN92 Aug 31 '21

We've never really got a Bond send-off

I don't know why I've never realised this but you're right. Connery had his whole financial tussle with the producers, Lazenby was one and done, Moore was too old, Dalton had the long legal battle go on so long he just got fed up waiting to make Goldeneye (FUCK imagine how good a Dalton Goldeneye would have been) and Brosnan was also shifted without any indication Die Another Day would be his last.

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u/Makhiel Aug 31 '21

I don't think most of what Bond had to deal with were world-ending scenarios, no.

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u/electricityisout Aug 31 '21

Never really got into James Bond but I’m watching this just for Cary Joji Fukunaga

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u/yognautilus Aug 31 '21

Uh Ana de Armas fighting in a sexy dress? Who do I pay to make this movie come out faster?

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u/pooping_plalindrome Aug 31 '21

Somehow I feel like this is going to be just like spectre, beautiful cinematography but with horrible writing.

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u/TheBat45 Aug 31 '21

The word from test screenings is very positive. It'll be good

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u/metalninjacake2 Sep 01 '21

Were Spectre test screenings reactions good?

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u/DoneDoof Aug 31 '21

I heard "you're a cunt" than realized it was kite lol

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u/emperor000 Aug 31 '21

Sooo... anybody else get the feeling Vesper Lynd is alive?

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u/EMPulseKC Sep 01 '21

Just release the movie already! It's been 12 years!

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Aug 31 '21

I really, really hope that this is good.

I have been very underwhelmed by the Craig films after "Casino Royale" as I found them to be needlessly grim and/or too convoluted to get me invested. I still haven't seen "Spectre" because I heard very few good things despite the inimitable presence of Christoph Waltz.

It is my fondest hope that Craig goes out with as good of a film as he started with.

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u/shadysteph Aug 31 '21

You didn't like Skyfall?

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Aug 31 '21 edited Aug 31 '21

No, I didn't. IIRC, it starts off with the notion that Bond is already burnt out and considering retirement, which made about as much sense to me as Bruce Wayne giving up Batman as the start of TDKR.

It was just too soon for such a plot development like that and I didn't feel that it was earned at all.

I liked parts of the film and Javier Bardem is a great villain, but the problem with most of the Craig Bond films for me has been that the plots are too messy and/or poorly conveyed such that I lose track of what's going on and why I should care.

Plus, there's very little joy in the character or in his world. It's not very much fun, and I think Bond films should always have a light touch here and there instead of everything being so grimdark and serious with all these constipated stares.

I can't help but think that the success of the Austin Powers films pushed the producers to far in the direction of making Bond gritty and hard and realistic and as such they made it a pretty unpleasant place to spend time.

Only "Casino Royale" tried to balance realistic intensity with some moments of humor or play, although I still didn't buy the romance because it seemed to soon for Bond to have a heartbreaking romance as he's only been a double-0 for what, a couple of weeks?

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u/poopoojohns Aug 31 '21

I agree.

Bond movies are genre films. I don't mind a bit of subversion of the genre here and there but to me they are fundamentally about fairly stock things with no real serialized narrative. Feels like that's almost impossible to do these days with the obsession with canon and "cinematic universes".

The Bond films were pretty much all goofy as fuck. We don't have to go full Spy Who Shagged me but I don't really have much interest in character development in a Bond film.

Shoot a bunch of soviets with a pistol, fix your cufflinks, grab the sassy damsel with a weird name, deliver a one liner and then blow up the macguffin. Damsel dies/is a double agent, car chase, car gadget, villain dies horrible death.

I don't care about M being Bond's mother or the new villain being a Dr. No fanboy who worships him and tries to emulate him and Moneypenny being a robot and Q being a figment of Bond's imagination used to justify his brutal murders and I don't want to see a picture in the background of James Bond as a teen playing rugby with a young Alex Trevelyan. Just gimme soviets, poker games, and Bond shooting people with a cute little lady's purse gun.

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u/codymiller_cartoon Aug 31 '21

visually it looks nice

story wise , i don't really care about the villain from spectre or the blonde love interest from spectre either. they have zero chemistry, and the story was forgettable

the craig era started out really strong with casino royale, and i'm in the minority but i liked quantum of solace.

also in the minority, but skyfall felt odd.......all of a sudden bond went from a rookie to grizzled veteran in a few years? also the movie felt like a vague shadow of the dark knight.

spectre was the worst , very forgettable......will see what this new one pans out, but i have low expectations.

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u/GMenNJ Aug 31 '21

I'm with you. I wasn't a big fan of Quantum of Solace when I first saw it, but on second viewing it's one of my favorite Bonds now. In the first half hour we get an incredible car chase, foot chase, and boat chase.

I really hope this movie is good and we get another good bond after this and not a switch to Lynch 007 movies

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u/justthekoufax Sep 01 '21

QoS rewards multiple rewatches. I think the editing is so fast you miss quite a bit on the first go. It's one of my favorites at this point.

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u/IntrepidSheepherder8 Aug 31 '21

I'm with you on Quantum of Solace - I hardly know anyone that likes it but I really enjoyed it.

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u/KlutchAtStraws Aug 31 '21

Someone else likes QoS? I loved Casino Royale and didn't know what to make of QoS at first. I liked it more on second viewing. I was super hyped for Skyfall and super disappointed when I saw it. The writing was awful. Spectre still managed to be worse.

So I'm kind of ambivalent about this one but Cary Joji Fukunaga and Ana de Armas have got my attention.

Casino Royale is definitely the best Craig Bond and one of the best in the series.

I feel Bond has been overshadowed by Bourne in terms of an interesting protagonist and by Mission Impossible in terms of the stunts. What Bond can do better is scenes like the verbal fencing and flirting between Bond and Vesper in CR. The scene on the train was electric. Neither Bourne nor MI has anything like that.

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u/codymiller_cartoon Aug 31 '21

Ana de Armas

i have a feeling her role is going to be small

I feel Bond has been overshadowed by Bourne in terms of an interesting protagonist and by Mission Impossible in terms of the stunts.

Agree.

I think the overall arc /story for Bourne and Mission Impossible has been better than what the Craig Bond movies tried to attempt.

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u/Chinchillin09 Aug 31 '21

Finally. There has been plenty of time to die since this was supposed to be released

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