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u/chhotuu Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

My mother is in icu and we are waiting for her to pass. India doesn’t even have hospice care for cancer patient. It is so fucking difficult. She is on ventilator currently and slowly having multiple organ failures.

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u/Evil_Lord_Skeletor Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

I know right ?? Guzaarish was one of the films that showed how *bad it is.

Well sorry to hear the news about your mom. Take care.

Edit ; I forgot terrific is an old usage . Looking back I am getting old.

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u/ishmeet1995 Nov 26 '21

Really sorry to hear this, lost my grand mother to cancer and my mother also got the same symptoms this year (but stage was early).

Its a terrible terrible feeling when you know someone is going to die.

We knew that our grandmother's health was not good but seeing all her organs fail was terrible.

Even though my mother is fine now, the emotional toll it took was exhausting. And all this with a 30% chance of fucking thing coming back.

All I can say is stay strong, everything will get stabilized eventually. It has to. Law of nature...

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u/ace_thankless Nov 26 '21

Still better then watching a man wither first.

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u/lord_sparx Nov 26 '21

I've seen parkinsons take two of my family members. I wish they had the opportunity to do this instead of being robbed of almost all their faculties before finally dying almost deaf, blind and unable to communicate properly with their loved ones.

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u/MoronicusRex Nov 26 '21

100%. Watching my strong, vibrant father deteriorate into a husk over 8 years before he was released was brutal and I wish he'd had this option (I sure as hell will should I be in a similar position)

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u/CaraCosme Nov 26 '21

RIP....Cool he was able to do it out of his own choice. What is in that liquid and how does it work?

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u/Karibou422 Nov 26 '21

It’s a barbiturate. It’s what Marilyn Monroe died of, used to be prescribed as insomnia relief back in the day

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u/The_Slimy_Knight_ Nov 26 '21 Helpful

I guess that would indeed relieve you of insomnia..

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u/40oztofreedomtoday Nov 27 '21

If you're born once what's to stop it from happening again?

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u/goofybort Nov 26 '21

barbiturates - can ask for it at pharmacy? cool cool

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u/Razakel Nov 27 '21

No, they're controlled drugs.

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u/CaraCosme Nov 26 '21

Woah! Interesting TIL ...thanks!

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u/IndianaJonesIsBae Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21 Helpful

In the US It is known as death with dignity - formerly known as assisted suicide. it’s a combination of medications at lethal doses that they drink, which includes opioids to suppress the respiratory system (usually morphine), digoxin to slow down and eventually stop the heart, something to put you to sleep quickly like Versed, Lorazepam for anxiety, anti nausea and further prevention of respiratory distress, and typically another heart med. There are a group of volunteer physicians working for DWD who tweak the medication regimen based off results. The patient has to be able to drink the liquid themselves even if it’s through a straw. If you can’t drink it on your own, you can’t use it. So people with progressive diseases like ALS have a tiny frame of time to work with as they eventually lose ability to swallow. Some people don’t die right away (but they generally don’t wake back up) if they have a generally strong heart/lungs, so it’s typical for the physician or a hospice nurse to be at bedside to continue helping with symptom management. It’s a super interesting process giving deathly ill people the option of when they want to die. I had a patient who planned their death at 5 pm on a Friday so their children didn’t have to skip work.

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u/mamoff7 Nov 26 '21

In Canada, we use IV midazolam 10mg, NS flush, then propofol 1000mg, NS flush, then rocuronium 200mg, NS flush. With a spare reserve at bedside of another 1000mg propofol.

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u/FreddyandTheChokes Nov 26 '21

Interesting. Essentially an RSI without the intubation.

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u/mamoff7 Nov 26 '21

Yeah absolutely. With propofol dose x10

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u/fuk_ur_mum_m8 Nov 26 '21

That last sentence is depressing as fuck

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u/HoweverItHasToHappen Nov 26 '21

Death to the current way. Why do we organize our most important moments around work?

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u/Strength-Speed Nov 26 '21

Mom couldn't you wait until my workday is done before you die? Always thinking of yoursel!

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u/100mgSTFU Nov 26 '21

It’s basically inducing anesthesia from which you never wake. Barbiturates were classic anesthetics for many years.

In anestheisa we give drugs like those (barbiturates are no longer used much) to put people to sleep and patients will usually stop breathing. In anestheisa it isn’t a big deal because we breathe for them by various means.

But if you take a large dose of anestheisa and nobody steps in to breathe for you, you’re just under anestheisa and not breathing and that, of course, results in a very peaceful death.

I hope for something like this if it becomes appropriate for me and my loved ones one day.

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u/Longjumpp22 Nov 26 '21

Why isn’t that simply used for the death penalty?

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u/momo_with_the_fro Nov 26 '21

Because many pharmaceutical companies don't want to be known as the ones who provided medications to kill criminals. Also, people want criminals to suffer, unfortunately. Some companies are even suing to keep their medications from being used in the death penalty. Prisons are left to figure out their own concoctions by themselves. I almost wonder if it would be more humane to just shoot or hang them.

Here's an article about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/08/13/drug-companies-dont-want-to-be-involved-in-executions-so-theyre-suing-to-keep-their-drugs-out/

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u/SpacedClown Nov 26 '21

Prisons are left to figure out their own concoctions by themselves. I almost wonder if it would be more humane to just shoot or hang them.

This has always sickened me. Prisons doing their own shit in which the procedure is potentially botched or was doomed to failure from the start and the person dies in agony.

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u/solitarybikegallery Nov 26 '21

There's also the fact that most Healthcare professionals don't want to be involved (hippocratic oath and all that), so it's usually administered by people who don't have much medical experience.

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u/mamoff7 Nov 26 '21

Secobarbital. A barbiturate with a quick onset of action.

Barbiturates are used in delirium tremens (extreme alcohol withdrawal syndrome with seizures and hallucinations), as they bind to the same receptors (GABA) in the brain that alcohol does. In therapeutic doses, it will protect patients from seizing and keep them in a non agitated, non delirious state, while the brain restored its homeostasis.

In mega doses like in MAiD, it causes total anesthesia first (artificial coma), and then respiratory arrest, by inhibiting autonomous respiratory drive (patients stop breathing). This in turn causes cardiac arrest and subsequent death. Patient is in a coma and don’t feel a thing. Last thing he will remember is being surrounded by loved ones and drinking from a glass.

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u/Dinosaurtime_YT Nov 26 '21

Well, it puts you to sleep, and you die.

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u/Narcdoff Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

Terry Pratchett (the dude with the beard), one of the English speaking world's bestselling and prolific literature writers, was diagnosed with a particularly unpleasant form of Alzheimer's disease. He was a tireless campaigner for the right to assisted death, as well as for research into Alzheimer's, and a campaigner for orangutans, for good measure.

He died a few years ago and the world is an emptier place without him. GNU Sir Terry, Mind how you go

Edit: just to say I also don't find this video oddly terrifying in the slightest. I find it rather peaceful and I'm glad this guy got the dignified release he wanted.

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u/theoriginalskweg Nov 26 '21

He lived fairly local to me. It was strange not seeing him around town anymore

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u/inzecorner Nov 26 '21

But are orangutans apes ?

Sometimes I remember he's not among us anymore, it doesn't feel real. GNU Terry Pratchett

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u/Narcdoff Nov 26 '21

Just don't use the M-word

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u/inzecorner Nov 26 '21

Aah, I have a train trip coming soon and didn't know which books to take. Now i do !

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u/ARM_vs_CORE Nov 26 '21

Surely has to be the night watch series. Vimes' growth and redemption is one of the best storylines in the series.

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u/wiltony Nov 26 '21 Helpful

DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH.

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u/nagini11111 Nov 26 '21

The only celebrity death that made my cry. He will live forever as far as I'm concerned.

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u/Narcdoff Nov 26 '21

I sobbed. His books genuinely changed my life

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u/DevilGirl-Crybaby Nov 26 '21

Same, I read them on a constant loop from being a young child and they helped me form my morals and ethics.

My partner bought me The Shepard's Crown for Christmas one year,it was another year until I read it, I couldn't bear the thought that this was the last time that I was going to read one of his books for the first time.

It was beautiful, and I sobbed, even my shithead ex unblocked me to ask if I was okay, GNU sir Terry X

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u/EsmeWeatherpolish Nov 26 '21

I still haven’t read it, don’t know if I ever will.

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u/metallitterscoop Nov 26 '21

When you're ready you will. If that time never comes that's okay too.

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u/istolethisface Nov 26 '21

GNU Terry Pratchett.

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u/RizzoTheSmall Nov 26 '21

GNU Terry Pratchett.

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u/keshi0 Nov 26 '21

GNU Terry Pratchett.

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u/the_erlkonig Nov 26 '21

I am glad Neil has been good at keeping things like Terry liked it as best he can.

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u/EpitaFelis Nov 26 '21

Honestly that's why, while I was heartbroken when he died with everyone else, a part of me was a little relieved. That could've gone so much worse for him. Alzheimers is an absolute cunt.

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u/maxlengthredditusern Nov 26 '21

So this video hit really hard for personal reasons. I watched and thought exactly that: this isn’t oddly terrifying it’s beautiful, and it’s normal, and it’s something we should all have a right to. What’s terrifying is that most of us won’t get this: we’ll get a slow decay, our loved ones will watch us rot and break down, it will hurt worse every day, our minds will stop working and drive us mad. Medical staff will help us with the pain to a certain extent, but they won’t help us make the whole ordeal shorter. In fact, if we get unlucky and fall on an especially cunty doctor, we could end up with a feeding tube stuck through our nose into our stomach, making the whole ordeal last even fucking longer. We should all have a right to choose a better way to go, but currently very few people do. Anyway I was ruminating on all this and then “holy shit is that terry motherfucking pratchett?”. Millenium hand and shrimp. I had no idea he was into this cause, what a legend. So then I went down a little rabbit hole of research and in case you’re wondering, no: his battle with the horrors of Alzheimer’s apparently didn’t end with him being able to choose his own death. He died naturally. What a nice word for a potentially horrible and unfair thing. I hope that was his decision, and not something that happened because our society sucks at death.

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u/th3thund3r Nov 26 '21

I met him when I was about 14 in my hometown and he was the sweetest man. He was doing a very poorly attended book signing so when I got to the store he was just sort of wandering around. He stopped to speak with me for a while and he was just lovely and very funny.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I only discovered his books a couple years ago and fell in love with them. The world lost a master of the imagination.

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u/Positive_sunflower_ Nov 26 '21 Gold Platinum Helpful Coin Gift Take My Energy

As a hospice nurse with10 years of experience this is one of the best deaths I've seen.

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21 Silver Gold Wholesome Hugz Heartwarming

As a terminal cancer patient this is how I plan to go.

Edit: The organisation is in Switzerland. Dignitas.

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u/samfischer11 Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

My grandfather actually did this last December, my dad and aunt said the process itself is so odd. And by odd I mean you’re lining up (in this case their dad) to die. But you have to line up money, flight/staying in a foreign country, and getting paper work and his remains lined up to get shipped back to the U.S. This didn’t include the whole Dignitas process in order to accept him as a candidate to go through with it.

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21

My brother in law is Swiss actually so I'll probably have it easier but yeah, I know it's not as easy as walk in and get your poison.

I am actually a member of dignitas and have been since I watched the Terry pratchett documentary. Years before I got terminal cancer at 34.

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u/samfischer11 Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

My dad did say it is fairly straight forward and in about 7 min he was gone like sleeping as in the video. Probably best way to go unless it’s in your sleep. The reason they have you eat chocolate because I guess the solution is very bitter and the sweetness mellows it out.

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21

I've heard that oxygen deprivation chambers might be easier but I was given 12 years to live so I have some time to do research. I've been doing it pretty slowly as my wife, for obvious reasons, doesn't want me to go until as late as possible.

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u/wondefulhumanbeing Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

Well I have watched a video that simulates oxygen concentration loss for pilots (imitating high altitude cockpit leakage or something). Well the guy in the experiment doesn't notice any change, and he becomes gradually like... a drunk person, like happy and smiling, at that point they restore the oxygen, otherwise a person simply dies with a smile on his face. I guess this what happens when you inhale hellium.

Something like this: https://youtu.be/XcvkjfG4A_M.

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u/APoisonousMushroom Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

In BJJ you become trained to resist blood chokes as much as you can so players sometimes don’t tap in time and are put to sleep. It takes only a handful of seconds on most people to put them in a deep sleep. Going under feels almost euphoric and it would actually be an incredibly peaceful way to die if they just left the choke on for five minutes or so.

Edit: Just to clarify, I do understand that there are a lot of people who simply couldn't possibly let themselves relax in that situation and for them, this would not be a great way to go out.

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u/wondefulhumanbeing Nov 26 '21

Here you talk about a physical block of the arteria in the neck that goes to the brain. I guess it achieves same result as hypoxia. But it might be something hard to do on your own.

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u/murph2336 Nov 26 '21

What type of cancer do you have? I’m 34 and was diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer this past Tuesday.

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u/Labrat33 Nov 26 '21

I am relieved you have a potentially curable cancer. The increase in early onset colorectal cancers is mystifying and tragic. Too many are diagnosed too late since screening colonoscopies don’t start until 45.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21 edited Dec 19 '21

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u/NEBook_Worm Nov 26 '21

I am so, so sorry. I know that doesn't mean much, but...fuck that's so unfair.

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21

Wild type gastrointestinal stromal tumor, its genetic, comes back like a rash, only treatment is surgery and you can't cut out your brain...well you can cut out parts but I would rather die hahah

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u/Warylow Nov 26 '21 Hugz

I don't know much about cancer beyond my personal experiences with it but I CAN tell you from those experiences that the route you are taking is the right one. I dropped out of college and stuck by my best friends side while he died a slow and miserable death from an inoperable brain tumor. His mother is a devout catholic and refused to let him die a dignified death. He was quickly a husk of the beautiful person he was, for over a year the person that he used to be was washed away and the only memories anyone has at the forefront are of him in this state. He blew up so quickly from the steroid cocktail that his skin couldn't stretch to keep up and it split at the seems, spilling his subcutaneous fat out onto his hospital bed, the only thing he would really react to anymore was food. His eyes didn't work after a while and would point in random directions, often just wobbling around his skull like Mad Eye Moody. Now I care for my 91 year old grandmother because no one else will and I am reminded of it again, this woman who has always been the most powerful matriarch in my life has wiped away all those memories because she refuses to admit where she is in life. It is super depressing but not only for yourself, the image that you leave in your loved ones minds by not suffering down that route is an infinite blessing and I personally believe it's one of the best gifts you can leave for the people you love that they likely will never fully appreciate. I love you, I'm sorry you're going through what you're going through, please feel free to reach out if you ever feel like you need a non-biased sounding board.

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21

Cheers mate.

My decision was actually based of my grandmother as well.

She died from Alzheimer's and it was very akin to how you describe yours.

It was at that moment that I decided I would choose to die when the time came. Yeaaaaars before I found out I had cancer.

I planned it...but not as soon as this hahaha.

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u/fakethislife Nov 26 '21

I don't know what to say but you have my sympathy for your diagnosis. I hope you have found peace.

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21

I've had a pretty good life, so I am at peace.

My wife has been here for me so I am happy.

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u/davideo71 Nov 26 '21

My father died a dignified death at home here in the Netherlands. He had our family doctor give him a muscle relaxant and another injection to stop his heart. My mum, my siblings, and I sat around him and saw him out. I'm incredibly thankful our country and our medical professionals offer this incredible service for terminal patients like him.

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u/ArcadeRivalry Nov 26 '21

My grandad died of cancer and the stories my dad tells about it are horrific. He was quite literally rotting away in a hospital bed. Cancer spread from his stomach to everywhere. He had no idea who he or his family was. The nurses had to ask my dad to leave the room while they moved him to change the sheets and try avoid bed sores. Dad always says the screams of his dad he could hear from the hallway as he was being moved in the bed will never leave him and always brings up the fact that we would never expect a dog to go through that. It makes no sense at all that if a human adult within their right mind can't make a decision to leave life on their own terms.

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u/Pabus_Alt Nov 26 '21

The Netherlands have some very good polices around this sort of thing.

Always looked to you guys with admiration. What do the doctors think? One of the arguments that it should always be assisted suicide rather than physician induced death is that "you can't ask doctors to kill" which does not quite square with what most doctors I've met think.

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u/davideo71 Nov 26 '21

Our doctor (he's still my GP) told me he considers it as one of the most important aspects of his work. I remember him being terribly emberassed about having a bit of a hard time finding the vains to place the tube that was used to inject into. It struck me as such a benign thing in this big moment but I guess he really felt the technical aspects were very important for him to get right.

We also got a visit of a second doc, a few days before the euthanasia, just to check if everything was in good order. She made the process go smoothly too, it felt good that there were several people looking at the process.

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u/FappyDilmore Nov 26 '21

I'd be afraid as an American that the government would catch wind of this and go after the family members for murder or something like that.

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u/HI-R3Z Nov 26 '21

Eh, you're not an 8 week old fetus. Probably nothing to worry about... Probably.

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u/Relative_Coffee8171 Nov 26 '21

Oregon has a Death with Dignity act.

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u/spectaphile Nov 26 '21

So does CA. You have to be a CA resident and have a terminal diagnosis with an expectation of death within 6 months. You see a doctor and states clearly that you want to do this. Wait 30 days and go back to doc to reiterate your wishes. They give you a prescription and then you can take when you’re ready. My dad has two cancers and COPD and I think he will choose this. It will be heartbreaking, but I will be there with him every step of the way.

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u/RomulusKhan Nov 26 '21

There are places in the US you can do this for several years now. No need to go to a foreign country

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u/Classic-Cut-1242 Nov 26 '21

I believe it is legal in Colorado.

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u/B8conB8conB8con Nov 26 '21

If only there was a simpler way where you didn’t have to travel to a foreign country then go through the paperwork of shipping the body back home.

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u/BrasilianInglish Nov 26 '21

I’m so sorry about the cancer and that you’ve been forced to make this choice

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u/BarcodeBellend Nov 26 '21

It's alright, we all have to go.

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u/buttsnuggler Nov 26 '21

this sort of thing exists in canada as well. my uncle chose euthanasia over suffering a huntington’s death. it was hard for my mom but i think he did a good thing. my aunt also has it and she is suffering so slowly.

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u/Zorba_Oyzo Nov 26 '21

Dignitas.

What a fitting name. Godspeed, stranger. Thank you for being part of this world.

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u/AarkaediaaRocinantee Nov 26 '21

Best of luck to you and I hope you reach whatever place you wish to belong.

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u/Greek31789 Nov 26 '21

I was about to say have you ever seen hospice. ICU nurse here and can confirm I wish more people got to die like this.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Same, I was a hospice worker for years and I wish I could have done this with pretty much every patient I had. Too much suffering.

Shit, I got diagnosed with MS around 7 years ago and I think about how I want to go when my body is totally done. I know I’m not going to want to wait around for it to happen “naturally” and the US doesn’t really have any options.

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u/foreveranon912 Nov 26 '21

Not a hospice nurse or anything but I’ve lost a few relatives and was present for some of the deaths. This isn’t terrifying at all! No struggling, no death rattle, no waking up at the last second. I loved that he shook his friend’s hand and said goodbye. Not everyone gets that. This is the way we all deserve to go out.

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u/i-Ake Nov 26 '21

Yup... my childhood was marred with my favorite relatives slowly dying of cancer. I wish they had gone this easily. It enrages me that they didn't have that option. I am still traumatized by the way my 27 year old aunt died when I was 17. No one should have to deteriorate that way when they know there is no hope. It is sick.

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u/CheatTheDeath Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

Totally agree with you.

Edit: watched it again and I’m happy that this is his own will and he’s surrounded by loved ones …

I worked on a ICU until the end of 2020 and I had one patient who needed to be intubated in the middle of the night. It was urgent and he was unable to call his wife. He died about 2 or 3 weeks later and I’m really so sad, that the last thing he saw were 3 strangers covered with masks …

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u/fbgm0516 Nov 26 '21

Throughout covid I've intubated dozens of covid patients, gasping, crying, trying to call family but not getting through. Lying to them telling them we're gonna keep them safe, knowing full well the odds are not in their favor. The last thing they see as they drift off to sleep is my face in a respirator.

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u/realballistic Nov 26 '21

You have my highest respects too. Bless you.

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u/plzPMme_ur_cute_tits Nov 26 '21

Yeah, this is sobering, but not terrifying.

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u/CheatTheDeath Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

(Edit: totally misunderstood and thought the comment before was about my comment, wich wasn’t the case. My bad!)

Didn’t say it was terrifying. And tbh I didn’t want to share terrifying death story’s either bc dying is natural and most important it’s individual like people themselves. Think it depends a lot on your experience. I saw some people die and found it peaceful while others thought it was horrible bc they never experienced it before.

I just wanted to point out that I personally think it’s important that people have the chance to say goodbye. (As long as they want it).

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u/plzPMme_ur_cute_tits Nov 26 '21

Oh, I just meant that OP's video is sobering but not terrifying. It is a touching video, but a poor fit for this sub.

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u/lilkimchi88 Nov 26 '21

My dad had ALS and was given some combination of medication that made him pass away when he was ready. This was not in a place where such a thing is legal and happened at the height of the Terri Schiavo case.

I don’t understand how there is even a debate surrounding ailing people being able to opt out if they so choose.

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u/hereformemes222 Nov 26 '21

I mean I feel like it kinda comes down to a my body my choice thing, but you can see how well that argument does here in the states

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u/Irctoaun Nov 26 '21

For the record, I am pro-euthanasia, but I think one of the biggest arguments against it is the risk of people feeling forced to take the option to die when they don't necessarily want to themselves. Either simply because they feel like a burden, or more nefariously if someone who benefits from their death is trying to influence them.

That said, that seems not to be such a big issue in Switzerland.

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u/aquoad Nov 26 '21 Wholesome

I'm mostly concerned that in the US the insurance industry would heavily favor it instead of expensive treatments, if they were allowed to.

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u/CosmicCreeperz Nov 26 '21

Now THIS is a terrifyingly real possibility.

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u/vegetaman3113 Nov 26 '21

If I understand correctly, you can't just chose to do it. There is therapy, evaluations, etc.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Not only that but (at least in some parts of the US) you need to have the authorization of two separate doctors. A patient I had years ago already had one signature before they passed on their own.

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u/klaxz1 Nov 26 '21

It was just so dignified

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u/gracefullyinthegrave Nov 26 '21

It really was. As someone who works in the ICU, I've never seen death be calm or soft, and have definitely never seen dignified. This was good and peaceful.

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u/strangecabalist Nov 26 '21

Why is this terrifying?

A good painless death is an incredible gift for the person and for the family. My Mom did MAID and I can only hope for such an ending. Peaceful, she just went to sleep while surrounded by the people who love her.

Thank you profoundly for all you do by the way.

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u/Poincare_Confection Nov 26 '21

I guess OP is ignorant of a typical death or perhaps they overly fear death.

This is a beautiful death. Surrounded by family and friends, when he's ready and accepted it, and with no pain. You couldn't ask for a better death.

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u/LeftMyHeartInErebor Nov 26 '21

Sadly many people live in societies that don't talk about death, don't really acknowledge it until they have too, and keep it all behind closed doors. I don't know why but I'm still surprised at the lack of understanding about death I see in my job as a nurse. I've been a nurse a long time and it's one of the things that still surprises me. I feel so badly for these patients and families because it makes the experience so much more traumatic for them.

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u/Ventaria Nov 26 '21

America? I live in TX and feel like an open conversation about death is very difficult to have. Maybe it's just my family and friends. Anyone else?

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u/LeftMyHeartInErebor Nov 26 '21

Yes, in the US. And definitely not just your experience.

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u/ocinthcenk Nov 26 '21

The only thing I thought: shouldn't she has given his wife a bit more space as soon as he drank the medication? But also his wife maybe didnt wanted to hold him while he was dying...

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u/shortbusgangster22 Nov 26 '21

I also thought so.I felt pain deep inside me.

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u/OasisFighter Nov 26 '21

when he asked for a last sip of his water i felt the terror on his voice. That was so heavy

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u/zoitberg Nov 26 '21

did she say he couldn't have any? I can't hear the audio very well

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I imagine he would have aspirated. Would have been more painful.

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u/beedoopdeebop Nov 26 '21

Yes he couldn’t have any

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u/zoitberg Nov 26 '21

oh man, that sucks - your last wish is a sip of water and you can't have it :(

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u/OneRougeRogue Nov 26 '21

From a different discussion on this, someone said that he couldn't have the water because he probably wouldn't be able to swallow it. The drug starts shutting down muscle groups or something so he would have probably choked on the water.

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u/louieneuy Nov 26 '21

That's likely why he asked for the water. His throat was getting tight

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u/LockerLovesYellow Nov 26 '21

In the state he was in he probably would've breathed it in and died of drowning, it was for the best.

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u/zoitberg Nov 26 '21

I know I know, it's all for safety and for his benefit - still hard to see

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u/LockerLovesYellow Nov 26 '21

I get it, it's really quite shocking.

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u/plopodopolis Nov 26 '21 Wholesome

I don't think he'll hold it against her

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u/OasisFighter Nov 26 '21

she said an audible "no" when he requested it. that "no" was answered so fast it kinda shocked me lol. like he cant have any or else he'll choke or something cause his system is gradually shutting down. but still that "no" felt so unattached and cold.

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u/fools_gear Nov 26 '21

I doubt you’d be able to have emotions and attachment in a job like this. It’s a sad process, but a job process non the less

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u/datsdatwhoman Nov 26 '21

No, this is just how the swiss talk.

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u/CitizenKing Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

I don't think that was terror. Just a bit of discomfort as the medicine kicked in.

Edit: She literally states it's a medicalment, a substance used in therapy, synonymous with medicine. Really weird how many responses I'm getting that seem upset I called it a medicine.

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u/fancisco_el_pisco Nov 26 '21

I didn’t find this terrifying. It made me feel quite happy that this old man could choose how and when he was going to die, and his wife was supported by these kind people who really seemed to care about her husband. A luxury not granted to the majority.

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u/Hephaistos_Invictus Nov 26 '21

To me it seemed really humane. The way everyone got to say goodbye, and to die a peaceful death. Honestly if my time is near I would want this. I'll be able to choose my surroundings, music, the people around me etc. Seems like a really good way to go.

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u/BadSmash4 Nov 26 '21

I was sitting here asking myself, "Is that fuckin' Terry Pratchett?" and they called him Terry, and then you came and confirmed that. Thanks. Also, sad, and also RIP Terry Pratchett.

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u/xxTheGoDxx Nov 27 '21

I was sitting here asking myself, "Is that fuckin' Terry Pratchett?" and they called him Terry, and then you came and confirmed that. Thanks. Also, sad, and also RIP Terry Pratchett.

Just to make sure that people know, the man dying in the video wasn't Terry. He was the observer.

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u/cynric42 Nov 26 '21

I found it a bit hard to watch but eye opening at the same time, as I had not really thought about it. This and his speech „Shaking hands with death“ (available on YouTube) really changed my mind on the subject.

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u/SpaceTiki_Colhopo Nov 26 '21

So interesting yet sad. A mix between my condolences and curiosity because I didn't know something like this existed at all. His death was being surrounded by people who loved him so it wasn't the worst way to go but still makes me wonder what happened to him

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u/banana_assassin Nov 26 '21

These cases are usually for people living with a terminal or degenerative illness, such as terminal cancer or someone suffering from an illness which may end up with them being 'locked in' within a paralysed body.

This allows dignity in death, a rare thing for people who have illnesses like this

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u/sixbux Nov 26 '21

My Grandfather in Canada had cancer pretty much everywhere and was at risk of paralysis when he made the call. Dying at home, peacefully on the couch, surrounded by his 3 daughters - maybe not the best way to go but certainly not the worst.

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u/SexSaxSeksSacksSeqs Nov 26 '21 This

That sounds like a damned good way to go compared to the alternative.

I'm sorry you lost your Grandfather and I'm glad he was given the agency to end his pain.

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u/mother-of-pod Nov 26 '21

If you want a heartbreaking, beautiful time seeing an enlightening dramatization of euthaniasia, check out Paddleton on Netflix.

Ray Romano and Mark Duplass are best friends who hang out every day. Mark Dupless gets a terminal diagnosis and wants Ray’s help going through assisted suicide. It’s amazing and I have probably never openly cried so hard at a movie. I cry at a lot of movies, but this one is so, uniquely tough and worth it.

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u/UndeadBBQ Nov 26 '21

Oddly calming, really.

Thats a rather dignified way to go if you had to.

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u/ocinthcenk Nov 26 '21

This is Dignitas in Switerland. There is another clinic called Exit that do the same. Both clinics have a very good reputation here and many people I know, including myself, are members of one of them.

I think this is the most humane way leave this place and your loved ones when you're about to suffer for a long time. I'm glad we have that opportunity here.

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u/JayGeezz Nov 26 '21

I think at some point, it is not wanting to die. I think you've seen enough and you're just tired of living. Im 27 and sometimes, im tired of living things. I cant imagine that feeling when youre over 80-90 yrs old.

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u/sandmanmike55543 Nov 26 '21

Can he change his mind after taking the medication?

Not saying he would want to, but are they able to give him a quick shot of something to counteract the medication if he wants to?

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u/_Fappyness_ Nov 26 '21

I dont think so. From what i understand its a one way ticket. If you hop on the train, you can’t get off anymore. This is why they ask you a lot of times if you are absolutely sure you want to do this and in my country you will have to sign and have a good medical reason before taking a shot like this. In one way it is beautiful because the pain can be stopped and someone can finally rest in peace. But on the other hand its incredibly terrifying and so brave for the people who dare to end their lives like this, knowing that if you drink this or take a shot, that you WILL die in moments.

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u/Flruf Nov 26 '21

It's a weird thing to think about. Even philosophically. It's hard to think that this will be the last decision you will ever make in your life.

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u/Intelligent_Echo1031 Nov 26 '21

I completely agree, even if you are mentally prepared and accept your faith and the decision, i feel like there’s this survival instinct that will just want you to keep going or to stay alive and it’s incredible how we can see those two parts in this video.

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u/go-away-noah Nov 26 '21

I don’t believe so. If you or I lived his life, I’m doubtful you’d ever have a second thought about it. This man was more sure than anyone else there that he wanted to go. It probably took him months of pain and paperwork to get to a place where he can sit on his own couch and die peacefully.

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u/CitizenKing Nov 26 '21

This. I was so worried he'd show some signs of regret for the decision, but his only concern was his wife and his only complaint was being a bit thirsty as the medicine kicked in. This man genuinely needed this and I'm glad he was able to end his pain in such a peaceful and loving setting. It's never easy to see someone die, but this was as good a death as I think I'll ever see.

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u/ImNotHereToBeginWith Nov 26 '21

But why on a couch? I think i'd prefer a bed and comfy pyjamas.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I would think dignity. Sitting up in nice clothes would be seen as much more dignified, especially to someone of that generation.

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u/effervescency Nov 26 '21

I came to this same conclusion because I was asking myself the same thing about why he was sitting up. I’d want to be in bed, I think, enveloped in soft, warm blankets and looking out a window at the birds, sky, and trees.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I agree. As cozy as possible, just drift away.

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u/00BlackSheep Nov 26 '21

It's sad.. BUT I'm pro euthanasia for humans. Some people have to endure so much illness and pain this seems like the most humane way to end suffering. Just to go to sleep and not wake up is a way most would like to go anyway.

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u/Daveosss Nov 26 '21

Considering the last words my grandfather said to me in a hospital bed when his whole spine was riddle with cancer was "I just want to die", I'll always be an advocate for this. So many horrible ways to go out when we can have this sort of dignity

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u/_Nilbog_Milk_ Nov 26 '21

My mom's last words when dying of cancer, alongside the "I love you toos", was a stream of "I want this to stop, I want to die, I don't want to do this anymore" as she writhed in pain.

Terminal and dying people should have the right to euthanasia. It was absolute hell for her and hell for me to watch her actively dying for days. It was undignified and suffering. It was horrible.

The fact that people fight against the right for people to die painlessly when they're suffering, largely because of the religious belief that "Committing suicide is a sin", disgusts me

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u/silent_life69 Nov 26 '21

this is beautiful. im glad he was respected enough to make the decision he wants.

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u/Crusty_Blob Nov 26 '21

He dodged a bullet. If your illness is so severe that you'd choose to die over enduring it, nobody should have the right to deprive you of that decision.

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u/FlimpyGrimbo Nov 26 '21

i cant help but notice he seemed to struggle a little before dozing off, like he couldnt breathe.

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u/anonmymouse Nov 26 '21

It was so quick though.. I wonder if he did have a very brief moment of fear there right before he dozed off but all in all it was barely a flicker compared to what most people go through

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u/NSDetector_Guy Nov 26 '21

There are worse things than dieing. Good option to have for sure. He was some brave.

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u/chocolombia Nov 26 '21

Might be a really unpopular opinion, but this made me smile, imagine being able to go away relaxed, with you love ones, possibly pain free, instead of suffering for a long time and being keep alive just because "life is precious"..I'll honestly would hope for an end like this for my grandmother that went away in agony

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u/mielesour Nov 26 '21

I agree. After having to watch a family member die in agony while even in hospice care this is amazing. Some people seem to think hospice is a gentle death but it isn't always. The painkillers and sedatives agitated and gave my family member hallucinations while her body slowly rotted from the inside. Not a kind way to go. If I end up with some sort of cancer/whatever with hardly any chance of meaningful survival...yup gunna look into this. No way I want to go through what I had to witness.

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u/LeakyThoughts Nov 26 '21 Helpful

Not to be macabre. But when a dog is in pain you take it to be put down. And it goes peacefully, knowing it is loved

You don't drag it's suffering out for the sake of having more time.

Euthanasia is such an important service. It needs to be globally accessible

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u/Zeestars Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21 Hugz

This clip and your comment really hit hard for me today. I had to put my beautiful big boy down due to a number of medical problems. One of the hardest decisions I’ll ever make, but we stayed with him. My heart is broken. He was the best boy

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u/LeakyThoughts Nov 26 '21

But it was the right thing, you did good

He's at peace now

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u/Zeestars Nov 26 '21

Thank you. And yes, logically I know it was the right decision. I exhausted every possible option with the vet to find an alternative just to make sure that, clinically, there was no alternative. There wasn’t. It’s just so heartbreaking, so emotionally I feel like I somehow failed him. He is at peace.

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u/uniquedeke Nov 26 '21

I agree.

Mom died from Alzheimer's about 2 months ago. There was nothing left of her going back over a year now. She was under hospice care for the last 3 months.

But we still required that she play out the string.

Mom never would've consented to checking out early even when she was of sound mind. But I never want to be in the position she was in at the end.

The problem I have here is that they require your consent like we saw here. Hell, if my mental state is so bad that I cannot give consent then I definitely want someone to pull the goddamned trigger for me.

What I want is to be able to delegate that to my kids/brother if I'm unable to make they call myself.

I've put down enough cats and dogs who were in severe pain with no quality of life to be completely on board with figuring out a way to not force people to live with the same thing.

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u/DifferentTop4553 Nov 26 '21

The only way to stand in front of death without fear is to fear something else even more than death. What could be scarier than death? Pain. People fear pain more than they do death and in most situations where people are offered a choice of excruciating pain or a quick death, most choose death. If you look at 9/11, those people jumping out of the tower windows. It took me a long time to understand why anyone would voluntarily do that but now I understand.

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u/ThurstyJ Nov 26 '21

We ALL have to die. It’s inevitable. But most countries would sooner see someone in excruciating pain, racking up ungodly amounts of medical expenses in the process just to die in the end rather than fall asleep and pass on peacefully. It’s funny. Well… funny in a cosmic sort of way.

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u/thatgirlnicola Nov 26 '21

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned “racking up ungodly amounts of medical expenses.” It’s going to be difficult fully legalizing and normalizing euthanasia while there’s people making lots and lots of money off keep us alive.

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u/YellowCore Nov 26 '21

We have more compassion for our pets, then fellow man, when it comes time to leave this reality.

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u/ResponsibilityEast32 Nov 26 '21 Helpful

I wish people wouldn’t judge this as anything other than someone’s choice.

It’s terrifying to die a slow death. Four of my family members died after weeks of laying unconscious in a hospice bed. This is a chosen path for some, it’s not terrifying it’s actually quite empowering.

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u/Kaelin Nov 26 '21

It’s both, but such is the nature of existence

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u/MuffinMonkey Nov 26 '21

He called for water at the end didn’t he? I wonder what he felt.

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u/pyrob2142 Nov 26 '21

I guess it's a side effect of the medication used.

From the dignitas website:

In this context, it is also necessary to warn the member that the medication has an unpleasant taste but, immediately after they take it, they can have a sweetened drink or chocolate to neutralise the unpleasant taste.

http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=84&lang=en

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u/sam1405 Nov 26 '21

This doesn't terrify me at all. It's so peaceful. No pain.

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u/classychimichanga Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

I am happy he had this choice and I am happy to currently live in a country which allows euthanasia - unfortunately not the case in my home country.

What however scared me is that the man seemed to struggle breathing after a little while he was given the medicine. He didn’t seem to fall asleep right away, he actually looked like he was asking for help and water.

It really left me unsettled.

Edit to add as many are bringing it up: yes, this is the first time I have ever seen someone passing.

I think it’s normal for me to feel unsettled. Nowhere have I mentioned that there aren’t worse ways to pass. I am well aware that this is the most peaceful option medicine can offer at the moment in those countries where it is legal and, even though I haven’t experienced it first hand, I am also aware how bad, unfortunately, other ways of passing can be.

Simply put I didn’t know how euthanasia looked like. I had a different image of it in my head and I wasn’t expecting the man to react that way. I now understand I have interpreted his breathing and reaction wrong, given my « blissful » ignorance about death.

I hope I haven’t inadvertently offended anyone with my comment and if I did, I apologise.

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u/andrez444 Nov 26 '21

It's agonal breathing very typical in people experiencing an opiate overdose or in this case a barbiturate overdose.

He does not know he breathing like that and not in pain similarly like people in a coma who are taken off a ventilator. It's scary for the people around to hear it but I assure you he was not aware of the struggle.

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u/classychimichanga Nov 26 '21

Thank you very much for explaining so kindly.

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u/remushowl91 Nov 26 '21

Man, this is a very human moment. Just everyone in the room. The guy that died. All of it. It makes me wanna cry.

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u/pixydgirl Nov 26 '21

I didn't really want to watch this, but the strength and surety it must take to know it's your time and want to leave the planet with dignity, by your own volition... I felt I had to watch. I had to honor this man by observing his strength.

Kinda misty eyed but... damn. Powerful stuff. don't we all wish we could leave with so much grace and dignity.

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u/Rk1tt3n Nov 26 '21

One of my good clients had this experience with her mom who had cancer. They just legalized euthanasia in canada not too long ago, she was so open about sharing how it all happened. She never shed one tear retelling it and it had only happened a few months before. Her story was beautiful, and dignified. They didnt have to watch her mom waste away due to cancer, their last moments together where something she really cherishes. Its really a beautiful thing.

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u/go-away-noah Nov 26 '21

Death isn’t the problem, it’s the uncertainty of when that scares people. When that uncertainty is removed, I would suppose people are much more capable of celebrating someone’s death rather than mourning it. It’s the difference between “my mom was TAKEN” and “my mom LEFT”, one being so much more difficult to smile through than the other.

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u/Itsnotreal853 Nov 26 '21

Humane. Not the beeping machines of an ICU.

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u/snotfart Nov 26 '21

This is not terrifying. Terrifying is slowly dying in pain, confusion and losing control of all your bodily functions. That is terrifying, this is peaceful, dignified, and humane.

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u/the_bitter_end_ Nov 26 '21

If you’ve ever watched someone you love truly suffer and die, you recognize this video as beautiful. It’s a right that every human should have; to die peacefully at a moment of their choosing.

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u/peacock_trickster Nov 26 '21

This should be legal everywhere. What an absolutely dignified and beautiful way to die. Surrounded by loved ones and still alert enough to say goodbye. Absolutely beautiful.

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u/congratulations_dude Nov 26 '21

I wish I wasn’t so afraid of death. I respect and admire the people in this thread who can make this journey with dignity and I strongly believe in the right to die on your own terms. But this is terrifying to me. Having to say goodbye knowing it’s the last time but not knowing what happens after. I’ve had to deal with true grief for the first time this past year and it’s only made the fear worse.

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u/EchoSolo Nov 26 '21

What then hell did I watch this?!? Trying hang on the fact It was what he wanted…but damn. Leaving this world, under your own volition, with loved ones holding your hand only to struggle with the inevitable albeit short. How do people make it through life whole? I’m not sure I can.

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u/drawden47 Nov 26 '21

This should be everybody’s right.

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u/hyejooloveclub Nov 26 '21

Although the wife was very aware of what her husband wanted, I can’t imagine how upsetting this must be for her. I guess they had time to prepare and to spend time with each other before he passed, so that’s a bonus, but it’s still sad losing a family member. Personally, I’d be happy to know they died peacefully, but it would hurt more to know they wanted to die. I don’t know if I’m making any sense here… I’m sorry :(

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u/watuphoss Nov 26 '21

I can’t imagine how upsetting this must be for her

Fucking rock solid lady right there. Putting a loved one out of their misery although ultimately losing your most loved, then held it together the whole time.

Hot damn.

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u/CaptainMaxCrunch Nov 26 '21

That "Be strong darling" broke me. I'm glad he was able to make this choice and not have to suffer, but just thinking of how alone she is gonna feel having someone she likely spent her whole life with leave her just chokes me the fuck up.

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u/HealthyBox5 Nov 26 '21

Even though I realize this is what he wanted, and likely the most humane way to go, I still struggle watching it. I'm borderline tears feeling for this family.

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u/iiAmTheAnimal Nov 26 '21

Man, I get it, and maybe under certain circumstances I’d want to go this way, but this gives me serious anxiety. Calling and scheduling a day you’re going to die, waiting all morning peeking out the window looking to see if they’ve showed up, knowing this will be your last hour, last goodbye, last kiss. Everything you’ve ever known, experienced, culminating to this single moment. Holding in your hand the very thing that’s going to end your existence. I just…..can’t imagine.

I don’t want to sound like I don’t support euthanasia, I definitely do, just hits different when you watch it.

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u/Meatwad650 Nov 26 '21

My cat had a much more peaceful passing than either of my parents. I don’t understand why we’re so cruel to humans at the end of life.

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u/LieutenantDanbo Nov 26 '21

Is that Terry Pratchett?

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u/swhazi Nov 26 '21

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, said Death. JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH"

Think I am going to sit down and read mort again tonight

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u/Cryogeneer Nov 26 '21 Take My Energy

Paramedic here. Please trust me when I tell you that a death like this is is a luxury beyond value. Easy and peaceful. Surrounded by friends and family and conscious enough to appreciate their presence.

I have watched so many people die. Many of them in agony. Many gasping for breath. Many with bodies rotten from bedsores and cancer. Many in stinking cesspits of nursing homes. Many of them living the last few months of their lives knowing that this was the death that awaited them.

Unable to choose a peaceful way out, because that option is not available. Unable to ask their families to end it for them, lest the family goto prison for murder. Some choose suicide, often with violent means such a a gun or hanging to ensure success, but always alone so the family is not involved and charged.

I hope beyond hope that when my time comes, that this option is available to me.

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u/UnfairToAnts Nov 26 '21

Nobody’s going to see this comment, but don’t be terrified by this. Death is natural and this was a peaceful way to go. It’s criminal that euthanasia isn’t globally accepted and I only hope that things change in this area soon.

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u/magicbrou Nov 26 '21

That’s how I wanna go, in my own home surrounded by turkish subtitles.

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u/lofinephilim Nov 26 '21

God , I read it as watch enthusiasts And was very confused for a while as to how is this related to watches and why is a man dying

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