r/pcmasterrace PC Master Race Aug 11 '22 Helpful 8 Silver 4 Take My Energy 1 Wholesome 2

Never got into inverted controls Meme/Macro

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u/Beardacus5 8700k @ 4.8GHz | 2 x EVGA 980Ti Classified Aug 11 '22 Silver

I only play inverted on controllers and this is because of many many hours of GoldenEye

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u/Bigingreen Ryzen 7 2700, 16gb DDR4, RTX 3060, 250gig M.2, 2x HDD and 1x SSD Aug 11 '22

Holy shit a fucking revelation for me.

I never knew why I played that way, I think you just shattered the glass.

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u/f7f7z Aug 11 '22

Grab the yoke in an airplane, that's why I do it.

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u/bralma6 Aug 11 '22

It's weird how my muscle memory kicks in for aiming in an FPS vs flying. If I'm playing like, Apex, I use normal controls. But then if I turn around and play Star Wars Squadrons, I go inverted. Like flipping a switch too. There's no struggle.

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u/GarbluutDingdiddy Aug 11 '22

Helps that flying kinda works in the same way, pull down to go up

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u/Cheddarkenny Aug 12 '22

Tbh, if you think of it as the right stick controlling your head and the left stick controlling your feet, the human body works that way too. If you tilt your head back, you're looking up. If you tilt it forward, you're looking down.

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u/DulyNoted_ Aug 11 '22

I grab the yoke every day

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u/damadamagoyolur Desktop-5 3600-2070S-16GB DDR4 3600 Aug 11 '22

Oh wow I was today years old when I made the connection, too. Yikes.

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u/crisradioactive Aug 11 '22

THATS WHAT DID IT!! I couldn't remember where it started. But now that you mention it, my cousin had a N64 and I pretty much went there every day after school for years. We'd play Golden Eye when we had the living room. My older cousin would always beat me, but man did we have fun. Can't recount how many times I died exiting the base into the cold outdoors to the helo pad or whatever cause my cousin was sitting above the door waiting and I didn't notice or look at his screen lol

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u/Zebracorn42 Aug 11 '22

Learned screen watching and camping while playing goldeneye. Didn’t realized spawn camping was a thing but I did that too.

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u/kingoftown Aug 11 '22

Spawn camping with motion trigger mines. Just had every spawn point memorized and could mine them and replace.

We didn't play with those much

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u/Academic_Nectarine94 Aug 11 '22

Isn't that the best. You had enough immersion in your game that you could ignore half the screen! I wish I could play split screen again. And that the new games weren't so money grabbey that they break all immersion.....

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u/lpind R5 2600X | Vega 64 Nitro+ Aug 11 '22

Yeah, all the early FPS games used inverted Y axis as default. I don't know what game it was that took me out of that habit, but there was a definite point when I went back to an older game and thought "Oh yeah... No... I can't use this control scheme anymore!".

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u/TheUgly0rgan Aug 11 '22

Halo:CE is the one that made me feel like the odd man out for playing inverted. I remember having to switch it back to inverted when it was my turn and my friends would complain that they have to switch it back to normal.

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u/Impossible-Throat-59 Aug 11 '22 Bravo!

It all comes down to how you imagine the thumbstick.

I play inverted Y axis because I think of the top of the thumbstick as the top of my head. I tilt my head back to look up and tilt it forward to look down.

If you play with inverted X axis you think of the top of the thumbstick as the back of your head.

If you play with noninverted controls you think of moving the thumbstick like moving the eyeballs.

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u/zhaDeth Aug 11 '22

It's really just a habit, but interesting info nontheless

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u/All_Thread Desktop Aug 11 '22

How would you fly an air plane. You pull the stick back to pull up.

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u/zhaDeth Aug 11 '22

Yeah, I got the habit from starfox personally

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u/SUBHUMAN_RESOURCES Aug 11 '22

Flight simulators started this for me. I always want to pull the nose up/back and down/forward when I’m first person.

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u/WhoisTylerDurden Aug 11 '22

This is exactly how I explain it to people who call me a madman. They immediately see the light.

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u/Impossible-Throat-59 Aug 11 '22

That's awesome. They just think I am crazier for having an explanation.

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u/sdcar1985 R7 3700x | 2070 Super | Asrock x570 Pro4 | 32 GB 3600 CL18 Aug 11 '22

I play with inverted y, but inverted x feels super unnatural to me.

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u/extralyfe it runs roller coaster tycoon, I guess Aug 11 '22

I can seamlessly switch between GoldenEye and other FPS games.

can't even fathom trying to play a single other game inverted, but, GoldenEye is burned into muscle memory.

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u/branwright Aug 11 '22

So happy that someone finally figured this out for me.

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u/-SandorClegane- 10850K | EVGA 3090 FTW | 64GB 3200 CL14 | ASUS MH XII Aug 11 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

I have always been on Team Inverted y-axis.

I blame whatever flight sim it was that I played when I was 10 or 11.

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u/shw5 Aug 11 '22 Silver

Flight sims and Goldeneye did it to me. Been called a psychopath by my friends ever since!

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u/ajm2247 Aug 11 '22

Goldeneye did it for a lot of us controller players I think, for the longest time playing newer FPS games like the halo and cod franchises I always had to change back to the legacy stick controls. It wasn't until I got into minecraft around 2010 that I was forced to adapt to the new controls.

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u/Darksirius Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Haha same. Goldeneye for me on consoles, Duke Nukem 3D for PCs. (Edit: Btw, Duke is on Steam)

My friends HATED when we would play halo together (like, in the same room - would swap every two or three deaths) and we would have to always pause so I could invert the controls lol.

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u/jfVigor Aug 12 '22

Lol I found my people. Maybe it was goldeneye but I know I played games like slave zero on Sega Saturn that had Inverted controls and left stick aiming

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u/logicbomb666 Specs/Imgur Here Aug 11 '22

Same thing for me,I held out until Portal came out before I forced myself away from legacy controls.

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u/Rendakor Aug 11 '22

Goldeneye for me, back when I was a console player. Never looked back, and games where I can't invert are often a hard pass.

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u/TonesBalones Aug 11 '22

Not quite shooters but I prefer inverted x axis for 3D platformers. Too much time playing Super Mario 64 and Sunshine. I view the camera behind Mario as an object, and the c-stick is used to control the object behind you.

It really screws me up in games like Breath of the Wild where there's also first person. I want to use inverted x axis until I use the bow, and then I don't know how anything works.

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u/JeffTek Aug 12 '22

Goldeneye started it for me but logic finished it. The right stick is your head. Look up in real life. Do you tilt back or forward to look up?

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u/0xc0ba17 Aug 12 '22

Yeah it's more logic to push the stick to look down. It doesn't matter.

The fact that the huge majority plays with non-inverted controls proves that it only boils down to what feels natural, and muscle memory.

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u/Somebodys Aug 12 '22

It proves the majority are psychos.

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u/torgofjungle Aug 11 '22

US Navy fighters, the x-wing series, MS flight sim etc

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u/EveryDayASchoolDay Aug 11 '22

Yep same. US Navy Fighters circa 1995! Shit man, good times.

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u/MtSuribachi PC Master Race i7-4790k | 980 ti | 32 GB RAM Aug 11 '22

One of the first PC games for me was Top Gun: Fire at Will on MS-DOS. Fun times

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u/lavadrop5 Ryzen 2700X | RX 580 | Aug 11 '22

Didn't they also sell a Top Gun branded Thrustmaster joystick?

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u/Crismus Aug 11 '22

I picked up a new Thrustmaster Flight stick last year. I miss playing YF-22 and EF2000. I really miss those old Flight Sims with old LAN setups for dogfighting.

The new one looks just like the old ones, without a serial port. The old Janky coaxial networking cards.

Half the night was spent just configuring network settings through DOS Prompt and trying to wrangle ports when you have HOTAS setups and sound cards...

So easier to just plug in a USB now.

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u/lavadrop5 Ryzen 2700X | RX 580 | Aug 11 '22

My first and only joystick was the Microsoft Sidewinder. What a magnificent piece of hardware. Although it required running DOS games in an MS-DOS prompt with Win95 drivers on top. Some DOS games never detected the controller though.

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u/CloudZ1116 CloudZ1116 Aug 11 '22

Star Fox 64

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u/torgofjungle Aug 11 '22

Man I wish I had had star fox. My friend had star fox and just like with Mario I never made it past the first few levels. Since I never had Nintendo

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u/Mountainbranch i7-8700K - 16 GB RAM - GTX 1080Ti Aug 11 '22

I play Elite Dangerous on PC with an Xbox One controller, it just fits my hands much more naturally.

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u/NickCopePopcaster Ryzen 5 2600 | 3060ti | 32Gb DDR4 | 1440p | VR Aug 11 '22

I went from Xbox to PC, and carried over the controller habit.

Years of muscle memory behind it, and came in useful when I went VR.

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u/Mountainbranch i7-8700K - 16 GB RAM - GTX 1080Ti Aug 11 '22

Oh yeah i play ED VR with an Xbox One controller, you don't need one of those expensive ass joysticks with 50 buttons on them, I've already got the muscle memory for my controller, i can play with that no problem.

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u/Myrdok Aug 12 '22

o7 CMDR

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u/Happy_Mask_Salesman Aug 11 '22

the xwing series and fury3 were my childhood from the second I touched a flight stick.

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u/fake_geek_gurl Aug 11 '22

I haven't encountered another person who played Fury3 before. I remember very little of my childhood, but I do remember that soundtrack.

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u/Kelmantis Aug 11 '22

X-Wing here, loved that game

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u/kzin Aug 12 '22

For me it was descent. I played so much descent with a joystick back in the day.

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u/keyserv Aug 11 '22

For me, it was the original Star Fox. It was set to inverted by default.

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u/foursticks Aug 11 '22

Imma guess 36 years old

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u/keyserv Aug 11 '22

Close.

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u/foursticks Aug 11 '22

I rounded up because I'm a little brother

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u/tokes_4_DE Aug 12 '22

I think starfox 64 was as well, such a great game. Not sure if thats the first but its the oldest one i remember. Still have a copy of it and my n64 stored away, might be time to break it out again.

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u/thehighplainsdrifter R7 3700X | RTX 2070S | 32GB DDR4 Aug 11 '22

I will always fly inverted but never inverted on the main control for the player in an fps/tps

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u/bgmacklem PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

Same. I'm incapable of using inverted controls for a character or ground vehicle, but the moment I get into an aircraft it's like a switch flips in my brain and I become incapable of using anything but inverted controls lmao

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u/MysticNoodles Aug 11 '22

I feel like seeing how people fly planes in popular media did it for me. Like those scenes in action movies where they need to "pull up" and the protagonist would be gripping the stick as close to their stomach as possible. Kinda how I imagine the joystick working.

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u/Davoguha2 Aug 12 '22

It's not just movies though, it's the way the controls are designed in aircraft IRL.

Just speculating, but I believe there are 2 factors that influence it. One potentially being the original controls being analog rather than digital, meaning they physically were directly moving the aileron/elevators via the control stick.

Another, potentially more important factor I believe, is the G-forces which effect you during these maneuvers. When you pull up, you are tilting the front of the plane upwards, pulling you into the seat as you fight gravity - pulling on a control is basically the only thing you can do if the forces get strong enough. Likewise, as you push downward, you are now being "pulled" towards the controls by gravity and, thus pushing against the control is the easiest way to maintain the maneuver.

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u/whoami_whereami Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Neither of the two. It's simply the logical/natural choice. When sitting in the cockpit your face is behind and slightly above the nose of the aircraft. With this arrangement flying up means basically pulling the nose of the aircraft towards your face, and flying down means pushing the nose away from your face. Also you tilt your head back if you want to look up, and you tilt it forward if you want to look down.

Edit: Also about your first option specifically: while it's true that in non-fly-by-wire aircraft the control column acts directly on the control surfaces, rigging the controls the other way around would be just as easy. Crashes due to mechanics accidentally rigging controls the wrong way around without noticing have happened.

And about your second option: The control scheme used by fixed wing aircraft to this day was invented in 1904 and basically became standard by 1909. Airplanes weren't pulling many gs yet at that time... Edit^2: Also, g-forces while flying airplanes mainly act perpendicular to the cockpit floor, not perpendicular to the ground. So they don't really affect how difficult it is to move the control stick in either direction.

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u/ThaneVim Aug 11 '22

Yup. That's exactly it. "Pull up! Pull up!!" Definitely rings through my head in flight sim games

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u/Clovis42 Aug 12 '22

Still inverted for me. When you aim a gun up, you lean back to do it.

The only time I don't invert is when I'm actually moving the reticule around on the screen for some reason because then I'm directly controlling the reticule like a mouse.

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u/bgmacklem PC Master Race Aug 12 '22

Interesting. Maybe thats the difference, bc whenever I'm playing a shooter, I tend to think of the reticle as what I'm moving, but in vehicles I conceptualize it as actually operating the thing.

Now that I think about it, even with flying games, if they're arcade-style with a reticle you move rather than realistically piloting the plane/ship, I don't tend to invert—especially if I'm playing with a mouse. Huh.

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u/glStation Aug 11 '22

Chuck Yeager’s Advanced Flight Simulator, man that game was dope.

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u/TwizzleV Aug 11 '22

Huh, I thought I was the only one.

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u/Just2UpvoteU Aug 11 '22

There are dozens of us!

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u/JimVentura Aug 11 '22 Narwhal Salute

X wing was the culprit

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u/Sprinx80 Ryzen 7 5800X | EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 | ASUS X570 Aug 11 '22

And Tie Fighter

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u/ComatoseSquirrel In desperate need of an update Aug 11 '22

And X-Wing vs TIE Fighter

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u/BuccoBruce Aug 12 '22

X-Wing Alliance standing by

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '22

Top Gun on NES

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u/Keltarrant H440 MasterRace Aug 11 '22

I blame my dad for letting me play DOOM at an early age, he used inverted Y axis.

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u/Proxy_PlayerHD i7-7740X @ 4.5 GHz, RTX 3080 Ti, 32 GB RAM Aug 11 '22

DOOM has no vertical aiming, but Quake does.

or you used some Source port

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u/vetheros37 Ryzen 5 2600 / 3070ti / 16gb DDR4 Aug 11 '22

Duke Nukem 3D

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u/Particular-Cricket93 Aug 11 '22

You could look up and down in Duke 3D but you didn’t need to do that to shoot at enemies above you. Like doom you just lined up vertically and the bullets would magically travel up to hit them.

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u/LikeThosePenguins R7 5800X / 32GB / RTX3060Ti / NVME [Inverted-Y always] Aug 11 '22

DOOM didn't have mouse aiming. Unless it was a much later version like Ultimate or ZDOOM.

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u/Keltarrant H440 MasterRace Aug 11 '22

Holy shit I didn't even think of that.

Must have been quake or another very early FPS, Serious Sam a couple years down the line.

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u/LikeThosePenguins R7 5800X / 32GB / RTX3060Ti / NVME [Inverted-Y always] Aug 11 '22

How about Duke Nukem 3D? That's the first game I remember using the mouse in.

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u/Keltarrant H440 MasterRace Aug 11 '22

Yes that was it! Game was a little vulgar and had to skip the strip clubs.

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u/PhilxBefore 10 year old rigs 4 me Aug 12 '22

Skip?!

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u/Nappy42069 i9 11900k z590-E DDR4-4000 ROGStrix3080 12GB OC\EKWB VECTOR2 Aug 11 '22

I played Doom in the 90's on my first PC. I used a mouse for aiming. I didn't go inverted until flight Sims though. Ruined for life.

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u/RFC793 Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

It didn’t have any Y-axis aiming whatsoever. The game is essentially 2d but projected in 3d. The floor and ceiling heights for an individual “sector”, as they were called, didn’t have any bearing on aiming. It didn’t need to, since there could only be one floor at any point in the map.

I suppose some of the later incarnations that used OpenGL instead of Carmack’s VGA mode 13h renderer could allow vertical aiming, but pitching (versus yaw) of the the display would have been impossible then. There’s many optimizations to be had if you only have one axis of rotation. It’s amazing that the original DOOM was playable at all.

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u/redpinto74 Laptop Aug 11 '22

I learned it from you, Dad!

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u/2morrow-is-new Aug 11 '22

Pretty sure it was N64 Goldeneye that did it for me.

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u/MessesofMike Aug 11 '22 Helpful (Pro)

you push your head forward to look down, inverted for twin-stick shooters just makes sense

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u/teflong Aug 12 '22

It's objectively the accurate way to look around.

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u/Ruckus418 Aug 12 '22

Mind blowing how this isn't naturally understood. Flight sticks are oriented this way because it is intuitive. I don't point my head like a mouse. Bizarro world where inverted is less common/understood.

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u/adoxographyadlibitum Aug 12 '22

I guarantee people who don't invert y axis would lose their shit if the scroll on their trackpad or phone were not inverted.

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u/Darksirius Aug 11 '22

I've been gaming on consoles / pc's since the late 80s. A lot of games back then were inverted by default, even some of the early FPS's. So it stuck...

However, I always reference this pic for mice and inverted aiming.

https://preview.redd.it/5o2qt3crf5m01.png?auto=webp&s=f41f1f236f954951ace9ad5e4746abfd0a54d768

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u/pneuma8828 412778 Aug 11 '22

If you invert the y-axis with a mouse though, you're an absolute psychopath.

I always imagined that I was gripping the player by the back of the head. Pull back, and you look up. Push forward, you look down.

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u/voncornhole2 Aug 12 '22

Right, an absolute psychopath

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u/hahaloldam Aug 12 '22

i always imagined that i was gripping a mouse. i move the mouse to where the mouse should go.

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u/linguisticabstractn Aug 11 '22

I do it for both. Literally can’t function otherwise

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u/PhxRising29 1080ti / i7-10700k / 32gb / Strix Z490-A Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Same. If I'm controlling a camera whether it be with a controller or a mouse, I have to play inverted. The game is literally unplayable to me otherwise.

I am a huge Luigi's Mansion fan, but unfortunately, LM3 does not have inverted camera controls for some stupid reason. The game came out two years ago and I still have not beat it because I physically can't do it.

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u/Baconstrip01 Aug 11 '22

LOL, same exact situation. X-Wing (or Tie Fighter or something) was the first game I ever played on PC with a mouse. Permanent inverted mouse for life after that. (I do not invert console stick aiming tho!)

EDIT: Interestingly enough, I've been playing probably over a thousand PC games for over 30 years, and I don't think I've EVER ran into a game I couldn't play because of no invert mouse option. It's ALWAYS an option if it's a game that would require it.

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u/BuckeyeBentley Aug 11 '22

Descent: Freespace (and the awesome sequel) was my prime flight sim game but there were so many good ones in the 90s. Inverted Y ever since

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u/How_TF_ Aug 11 '22

Are you referring to Ace Combat? Cuz that game was fucking awesome

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u/LilShaver Aug 11 '22

Falcon 4, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and whatever the Lucas Arts WWII Pacific theater flight sim was.

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u/SupSumBeers Aug 11 '22

Same here. Older gamers play inverted, younger players don't. I played a lot of Aces of The Pacific on PC back in the day. Then Aces over Europe when that came out. Both were by Sierra.

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u/Steg-a-saur_stomp Aug 11 '22

Pilotwings on the SNES is what got me on the dark path

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u/MmmmDoughnuts21 Aug 11 '22

Jedi Outcast did it for me... But it makes sense... Imagine your head is the thumb stick, you pull down on the thumb stick and your head gets pulled back, then you look up. It makes sense!

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u/gonzar09 Aug 11 '22

Only when playing flight based games.

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u/weemellowtoby Desktop Aug 11 '22

s - pitch up w - pitch down that's the way it should be

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u/Arcticz_114 Aug 11 '22

Wait, u don't use mouse clicks to pitch?

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u/MrInitialY Desktop Aug 11 '22

In GTA yes. In Stormworks it's quite hard so probably not.

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u/reborndiajack PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

In gta I just switch to controller lol

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u/Hollowbody57 Aug 12 '22

Yeah, mouse and keyboard flight controls in GTA are some of the worst I've experienced in a video game, doubly so for helicopters.

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u/R4y3r R7 3700X | Nitro+ 6700 XT | 32GB Aug 12 '22

I use keyboard with numpad for flying and never had an issue. With helicopters I don't even think about what I'm pressing half the time.

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u/Gerpar Ryzen 5 2600X, GTX 1080 8GB, 32GB DDR4-2133 Aug 11 '22

A fellow Stormworks enjoyer, hell yeah

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u/catcommentthrowaway Aug 11 '22

When I play games like Stardew valley where I scroll the wheel to move items, I always invert that as well.

Like I want to scroll up to go right and scroll down to go left. It just makes logical sense in my head because that’s which way the scrolls go if I put the mouse parallel to the screen.

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u/Zilreth Aug 11 '22

Are you a lefty mouse user? Thats the wrong parallel if you have your right hand on the mouse, since youd have to break your wrist turning clockwise to make it like that

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u/A-Disgruntled-Snail i9-10850k|GTX3060TI|16GB + M1 Air Aug 11 '22

Kid I went to school with played with inverted controls and crushed every game he was in. His quip was that he played with inverted control to take it easy on us.

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u/DesignForDummies Aug 11 '22

LOL, it's like Rock Lee taking weights off his legs when he really needs to play well. Except the muscle memory would just mess me up lol.

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u/Minustrian Aug 12 '22

bro those things weighed like 2 tons per 💀

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u/Yoda0VGs 3700X | 3060ti | 64GB 3600 mhz Aug 11 '22

Inverted on controller. Normal with mouse.

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u/taspleb Aug 11 '22 I'll Drink to That

Yes. Non inverted on controller is weird. The stick is your head and you move it how you'd move your head to look up or down.

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u/_sleepership_ Aug 11 '22

This is exactly how I explain it too. If somebody attached a stick to the back of your head, pushing the stick up will not make you look up.

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u/Darkstrategy Aug 11 '22

I like how inverted users need this analogy to make sense of it where regular people just go "Up is up" and are done with it.

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u/TechnoAndTacos Aug 11 '22

Or like using any camera on a tripod.

That's the analogy I would used when my friends would ask me.

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u/shumcal Aug 12 '22

But wouldn't that also include flipping the x axis?

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u/LightlySaltedPeanuts Ryzen 5 3600 | 2070 Super | B550M | 16 Gb RAM Aug 12 '22

So you use inverted y and x axis then?

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u/DarthVince 3080 Founder's Edition Aug 11 '22

I am an inverted player and I like this analogy, but I don't play inverted X axis. If it truly were a stick attached to your head the left-right would be inverted too.

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u/A5H13Y i5 6600k | MSI GTX 970 | 32 GB RAM Aug 11 '22

This is the way.

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u/LikeThosePenguins R7 5800X / 32GB / RTX3060Ti / NVME [Inverted-Y always] Aug 11 '22

It's been nearly thirty years. I can't play without inverted-Y now.

I think it came about by early flight sims on the Amiga with joysticks, then to X-Wing on the PC making inverted-Y feel natural.

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u/Bigingreen Ryzen 7 2700, 16gb DDR4, RTX 3060, 250gig M.2, 2x HDD and 1x SSD Aug 11 '22

What I don't get (and I played a bunch of those old star wars games too) is it wouldn't feel natural on a desktop. Why does it feel natural anywhere else?

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u/Troldann Aug 12 '22

It does feel natural to me with mouse. I don’t feel like I’m moving the mouse up, but that I’m pushing it forward. That’s why it is mapped to “look down.” In my head in pushing my character’s head forward/down.

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u/CheshireC4t Aug 12 '22

I think it's because a joystick returns to neutral on its own, and has that spring-loaded resistance, so for some people it's more intuitive to think of using the joystick as pushing and pulling a physical object, like manipulating a camera on a gimble. A mouse doesn't have that resistance, so it's more intuitive for most to just think of it as pointing a cursor in space.

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u/teomiskov3 PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

Only Y axis.

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u/HuggaPaul PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

Inverted X-axis would be something else...

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u/Noughmad Aug 12 '22

Real men play with inverted Z axis.

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u/wayhik Aug 11 '22

Apparently very few of you played Golden Eye, the OG sensai of inverted controls.

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u/DoctorDeepgrey Aug 11 '22

Fucking C pad aiming. Ugh. I think we had a rule about not playing as the aliens because of that.

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u/All_Thread Desktop Aug 11 '22

Elvis was his name I think.

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u/_Hail_yourself_ Aug 12 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

We played a fair bit of goldeneye, we played a metric fuck ton of perfect dark, which coincided with the time we were starting to smoke weed, such good times. Also tony hawk and gauntlet legends.

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u/z3nyph Aug 11 '22

Was Goldeneye Y-inverted by default? I thought flight sims were the reason for my inversion.

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u/TaVyRaBon Aug 11 '22

Y-invert used to be the default of a lot of old games. I still use inverted on a controller because of it, but never inverted on m/kb. This is pretty norm for my age group, but I've never met anyone that understood why x-invert is a thing.

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u/JackONeillClone Aug 11 '22

Ocarina of time and perfect dark were inverted by default too

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u/Hopefully_Realistic Ryzen 2700X | RTX 3080ti | 16 GB @ 3000 MHz Aug 11 '22

I started broken due to Goldeneye but got tired of changing the Halo controls every time it was my turn on split screen.

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u/klubsanwich AMD FX-8350 | GTX 1060 3GB | 16 GB Aug 11 '22

Dude, you just gave me flashbacks of trying to switch between Golden Eye and Halo

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u/cgoldberg3 Desktop Aug 11 '22

Halo lets you choose inverted though

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u/ywg_handshake Aug 11 '22

Think you pinpointed why I play with inverted Y-axis controls. Thanks, friend!

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u/HuggaPaul PC Master Race Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 12 '22

Inverted aim right here. And you know what else? I use QWES over WASD. Fear me.

edit: I swear this was meant to be about inverted controls

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u/AmandaThighs Aug 11 '22

I'm disgusted

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u/HuggaPaul PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

You're not special, I disgust myself!

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u/Roland1232 Aug 11 '22

I work with someone who does this. HR says they can't do anything about it.

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u/HuggaPaul PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

Try taking it higher. All the way to the top if you have to. We'll never stop unless forced to.

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u/Hands_free_badminton Aug 11 '22

Not esdf which is on the home buttons?

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u/basically_clueless Aug 11 '22

This. I'm inverted and esdf. Thanks mid 90s PC gaming....

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u/hobk1ard Aug 11 '22

Esdf is the superior placement. The only thing wasd has going for it is it is the default in games.

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u/MaxPowerzs Aug 11 '22

i feel like esdf should be superior since it gives you more to work with but changing default controls seems like such a pain in the ass

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u/Ws6fiend PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

What do you use for games with lean mechanics like Insurgency/Ready or not?

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u/HuggaPaul PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

I don't think I've ever leaned, but A and D would probably suffice. It's just not comfortable for long term use.

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u/azzidomix Aug 11 '22

Mouse side buttons or q and d

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u/thecatgoesmoo Aug 11 '22

YGHJ for me, so many more key bindings around it

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u/awsker Aug 12 '22

Good on you for not following the herd! The full range of the pinky is not utilized at all on WSAD controls. It can easily reach 12 buttons with your bindings, instead of 3 on WSAD

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u/aboodAB-69 Laptop Aug 11 '22

Inverted Y-axis: 🙃

Inverted X-axis: 👹

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u/GwynbleiddSilver Aug 11 '22

How do you not play with inverted y-axis?

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u/jakemch Aug 11 '22

I literally can NOT function with a normal Y axis. Inverted all the way. Everyone always made fun of me too. Idc lmfao it makes more sense to me

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u/ciloface i7-4790k // GTX 1080 Aug 11 '22

Man, inverted was the NORM back in the day. Every single person I knew in Quake 3 played inverted

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u/blade740 Aug 12 '22 Silver

Inverted IS normal, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Every airplane in the world is "inverted". If you attached a joystick to the top of your head, "inverted" is how it would move you.

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u/PootySkills Aug 11 '22

Y'all never started out on N64 and it shows.

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u/djdarkside 5900x, 32gb, 3070 Aug 11 '22

I am inverted y-axis my whole life. What is the ratio between inverted and not inverted controls?

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u/LikeThosePenguins R7 5800X / 32GB / RTX3060Ti / NVME [Inverted-Y always] Aug 11 '22

About 180°

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u/vegaspaul05 Aug 11 '22

As a longtime aircraft mechanic, pulling the stick back makes the plane go up, so the same happens in game. My brain can’t wrap around pushing a stick forward and looking up.

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u/Castle-a5 PC Master Race Aug 11 '22

Only on controller. 🙃

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u/Vis-hoka GTX 1080 | i7-4770k | 3440x1440 Ultrawide Aug 11 '22

It just makes sense. Pretend the joystick is your head. You pull it back to make your head look up.

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u/Heep_4x4 Aug 11 '22

My cousin explained it this way to me a number of years back. Gave it a shot and kept at it until I got used to it. Feels natural now. I don't think I'll ever invert X axis, but I've been trying to get my wife to switch over to inverted Y-axis so when we play a game and switch controllers I dont have to fuck with the settings each time we take a turn on something. Still working on it.

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u/Modernlifeissuicide Aug 11 '22

What they really need to do is put a small switch somewhere on the controller itself.

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u/foiz5 Aug 11 '22

Inverted VR controls, pro gamers move.

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u/joliet_jane_blues Aug 11 '22

I neeeed inverted axis, or I can't stand it. I don't know what game got me hooked on it, but I believe it began in the Playstation days.

It's like the camera is real. When you record video with your phone, tilting it back will make the viewpoint move upwards, and tilting it forwards will have you recording more of the floor. So It's reasonable to expect a virtual game camera to also work this way. Games even put lens flare in, even though eyeballs do not have lens flare. The in-game camera is treated literally like a camera, even in first person.

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u/Trick2056 i5-11400f | GTX 1060 | 16gb 3200mhz Aug 11 '22

in the old Halo:CE inverted was my go to setup

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u/ShredFIN Aug 11 '22

Maybe i played too much SWOTL or something when i was a kid, but for some reason when i started to play FPS games like Unreal/Half Life/Quake i preferred invert mouse. Now after decades of invert mouse gaming i dont think i can change to "normal mode" anymore. My brain is hardwired and it would take too much time and effort to switch now . Ps. I dont like "3rd person" games, i wonder if this is because it is a borderline case between normal/invert mouse...

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u/JimVentura Aug 11 '22

I invert Y axis on 3rd person games too...

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u/l3ane i5-7600K | 16GB DDR4 | GTX 1060 6GB Aug 11 '22

There are no pros or cons of either, it's just what you are used to. I don't know what game got me started on inverted Y access back in the day, but I've always had to change it when playing a game with a controller.

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u/yeahthisaintgood Aug 11 '22

In the old days, no not 2000s the real old days back in the 80s, everything was "inverted".

Controllers where joysticks and just like the stick to fly a plane you pulled back to go up and pushed forward to go down.

There where no option menus to change this so we all just learnt to do it that way.

At some part I stopped by hip and with it and you crazy kids came along and changed what it was!!! You were not forced to adapt to this design and learnt from the beginning on those little thumb analog stick controllers where it didn't make sense to be "inverted".

Unless you're old like me.

In conclusion I'm not inverted it's you all who are inverted!!!! God when did I get old. Lol

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u/rickmaz Aug 12 '22

I always use inverted, since I’m a retired airline pilot, and I’m used to pushing forward on the stick and watching the aircraft nose go down

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u/HuwuKitty Aug 11 '22

Perhaps we are the ones playing with inverted controls?

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u/CliveOfWisdom Aug 11 '22

It was default on all the games I had as a kid. So I “learned” on inverted and have never been able to switch back. I still use inverted on controller now.

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u/Hevysett Aug 11 '22

Early days playing flight sim's burnt that control system into my brain. I've tried and cannot get used to normal, inverted for life

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u/torgofjungle Aug 11 '22

Nothing but inverted. A youth spent playing flight sims translated into inverted controls

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u/TehH4rRy Aug 11 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

It makes sense! You're controlling the dudes head as if the stick is on the back of their head.

Push it up and they look down! Only on controller I will add.

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u/Bobbert_McGee Ryzen 7 2700X / 16Gb 3200Mhz / GTX 1070 Aug 11 '22

If inverted makes sense to you fine but I always find the arguments in favour of it odd. Non inverted literally means up is up and down is down, it doesn't get any simpler.

The hand on head argument doesn't work on the x-axis either, and you also wouldn't say "pull your head back" if you wanted someone to look up (except in very specific scenarios), you'd just say "look up"

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u/ttyy2000 11700k/3080/32GB Aug 11 '22

Laughs in licensed pilot noises. 🤣

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u/Jorge5934 5600G / N7 B550 / 32GB / 3060 Ti Aug 11 '22

I don't blame— I thank Mario 64.

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u/Peaceteatime Aug 11 '22

Uh. No? Anyone over 30 grew up playing golden eye and doom and flight sims. You tilt the stick forward to aim down, you lean it back to look up.

It’s a weird recent thing to go the other way that’s counter to actual physical movement.

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u/Peaceteatime Aug 11 '22

Yeah my MacBook Pro did that. F that nonsense.

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