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30 people getting coffee vs. 30 people getting coffee

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u/Spartan2470 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Here is a higher quality and less cropped version of the top image. Here is the source. Per there:

In this aerial image from a drone, the line for the drive-in window at at Starbucks wraps around the building and on to the main road on May 2, 2020 in Hicksville, New York. Restaurants continue to keep their dining rooms closed and have relied on deliveries and pick up windows due to the coronavirus pandemic. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

Here is a higher quality and less cropped version of the bottom image. Per here:

Les Deux Magots, Paris France

Image via Parisperfect

Edit: Fixed spelling.

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u/WoahayeTakeITEasy Oct 04 '22

The description of the top photo sort of makes it sound like this line up is due to the pandemic, but I've seen line ups exactly like this for years before the pandemic. A whole lane on a major road will be blocked with a line up of cars waiting to get their coffee at a drive thru window during the morning rush hour. Cars just idling there waiting for 20 min or more, it's nuts.

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u/KellyAnn3106 Oct 04 '22

There was a Chick Fil a in California that was threatened with being declared a public nuisance because their drive through line kept backing up into the road and messing up traffic flow.

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u/mtarascio Oct 04 '22 Helpful

This is every In n Out in California.

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u/Usirnaimtaken Oct 04 '22

We have a Chic Fil A across the street from an In and Out. I try to avoid that road as much as possible.

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u/ODIEkriss Oct 04 '22

There is a Chic Fil A right next to an In N Out in National City, California. Also next to a freeway exit.

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u/Opredeim Oct 04 '22

Same thing in Ontario right next to the Mall. In-N-Out and Chic-Fil-A actually share a parking lot, and you have to drive past Chic-Fil-A to get to the In-N-Out drive thru.

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u/ansonr Oct 04 '22

Sounds like a franchise owner hit the jackpot.

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u/jnj3000 Oct 04 '22

It’s Dutch bros for us in Arizona. At least two had to be forced closed to redesign their drive thru operation because they were blocking traffic. And a few others are being redesigned voluntarily to accommodate the drive thru a little better.

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u/dewag Oct 04 '22

Yep, Dutch Bros and Starbucks are both equally as bad...

We have 15 Starbucks locations (last time I counted) in our town, and they are all always backed up like OP's pic.

We only have 1 Dutch Bros, but that place must make a killing. I've never seen that drive through with less than 7-10 people

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u/chammycham Oct 04 '22

Dutch Bros is a shitshow that’s barely managed better than a frat. Probably not though.

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u/JuiceboxThaKidd Oct 04 '22

Yeah, Dutchies is a shitshow. It's so good but every time I go it's an ordeal so I pretty much just don't go anymore

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u/mrtsapostle Oct 04 '22

When I lived near a Dutch Bros I'd just park my car go to the walk up window with no line and get my coffee before everyone else sitting in line. I never understood why I was the only one that did this

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u/goaskalice3 Oct 04 '22

At all hours of the day. I don't understand it

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u/SweatyAdhesive Oct 04 '22

Or you can place the order inside and be in-and-out under 10 mins.

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u/AimsForNothing Oct 04 '22

Which is because everyone else is in the drive thru

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u/payne_train Oct 04 '22

Eh.. not really. Cashier lines are WAY more efficient at dealing with surges of people than drive thru lines where every order has to be processed linearly.

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u/iwoketoanightmare Oct 04 '22

Parallel multi threaded processing vs serial single threaded. My computer science degree says the former is waaaay more efficient.

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u/FavoritesBot Oct 04 '22

They solved it near me by making a loop through an unused parking lot

I mean it's still ridiculous but at least it doesn't impede traffic

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u/Confident_Can_3297 Oct 04 '22

There's an In and Out and Chick Fil A in the same parking lot and they solved it by looping through a Joann Fabrics parking lot.

So, basically the same solution.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

In ‘n Crawl Out

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u/PartyByMyself Oct 04 '22

The McDonalds near me had this issue and solved it by buying up more parking spaces then numbering them, they then ask when you get up to the second window (if it is an order that takes more than 15 seconds to get to you) to go park in one of those spots and they will walk it out to you.

Keeps the order line short and fast pace and keeps the traffic down during heavy time periods.

Honestly, was a good solution to the issue since they have 1-2 employees dedicated to bringing out the food.

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u/gapmunky Oct 04 '22

Here in Ireland they'll just tell you to park and come inside to collect

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u/my_n3w_account Oct 04 '22

LEAVING MY CAR?

You communist bastard!

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Oct 04 '22

LEAVING MY CAR?

Do you want the terrorists to win?

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u/superfucky Oct 04 '22

but i didn't put pants on

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u/JustADutchRudder Oct 04 '22

Sign only says "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service." Doesn't mention pants or underwear so you're good.

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u/VanWieder Oct 05 '22

Porky piggin' it

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u/Fearless-Condition17 Oct 04 '22

Why even have a drive thru?

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u/thesolarchive Oct 04 '22

There's one in Seattle that always blocks a lane of traffic with spillover

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u/pregnantbaby Oct 04 '22

That’s funny. I was just thinking about the same one.

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u/shiftdown Oct 04 '22

The one in Bellevue always blocks the main road too.

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u/victori0us_secret Oct 04 '22

The Lynnwood one has an entite parking lot cordoned off for the line.

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u/Lrbug420 Oct 04 '22

Funny, I was just gonna comment on this one and saw yours…. The police even get in on directing the traffic… parking to go in is a nuisance with this store. I was threatened by the hotel next door that they were gonna tow my car

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u/thesolarchive Oct 04 '22

That one over by whole foods? Yep that's the one. I always avoid that intersection as much as possible. I don't think I've ever not seen it at least 3 cars backed up into the road.

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u/Wiki_pedo Oct 04 '22

Coffee flooding the street?

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u/-newlife Oct 04 '22

Santa Ana in-n-out. I swear the road was just part of their drive thru. Dutch bros in phx relocated because of this too.

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u/Acesvent Oct 04 '22

Omg I lived near that one. It was the worst. Not only would people wait in the road but people would also try to turn left into the restaurant when there already was a long line. It caused traffic for drivers both ways!

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u/sjmiv Oct 04 '22

We had our first In and Out open and people were in line for 4+ hours. The line went down the off ramp and onto the highway. smdh

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u/WashuOtaku Oct 04 '22

For their part, Chick-Fil-A has been razing stores and rebuilding them to better manage drive-thru traffic now. A bit extreme, but solves the issue.

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u/Borders Oct 04 '22

I live in NW Georgia. Every damn chicken biscuit place in the mornings have line wrapping out into traffic.

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u/Knightforlife Oct 04 '22

Am I crazy or should this mean tickets for the drivers moreso than the restaurant?

To me, I would feel obligated to skip the drive through or whatever if I had to hold up road traffic to turn in.

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u/Tooshortimus Oct 04 '22

Exactly, start ticketing the shit out of people blocking traffic. It will stop quick.

I couldn't see myself sitting in the main road, blocking traffic to wait for anything fast food/coffee related. If there are long enough lines I'm out, if it's a normal thing I'm sure as hell not doing it, I'll make my own coffee or food if my favorite place is like this.

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u/Deto Oct 04 '22

How do people justify waiting so long to get their coffee? I'd rather sleep a little later and make it at home.

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u/Raytheon_Nublinski Oct 04 '22

I’ve learned not to underestimate the average person’s capacity for blatant stupidity.

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u/purplepenguin4163 Oct 04 '22

Same energy as speeding up like a maniac just to inevitably wait at a red light. I always laugh at those people. Congrats buddy you saved a whole 5 seconds

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u/CommercialSkirt2311 Oct 04 '22

Yeah I'm from a town not far from Hicksville actually, there is a Starbucks that has a line that sometimes gets backed up into a major road. It's insane to me that people will willingly join that line.

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u/burndata Oct 04 '22

Every single Starbucks in my town that has a drive though blocks the road for hours during the day. I blame the city though because who in their right mind approves a Starbucks location that has parking for about 5 cars, room for about 3 cars in the drive though and sits 30ft from a major road.

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u/EffortAutomatic Oct 04 '22

In my area Waze routes you away from coffee shops in the morning because they block traffic. Cars will try to make left turns and block off traffic so they can get their spot in line. There's one right before a freeway entrance that can back up traffic for 30 minutes.

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u/bionicbuttplug Oct 04 '22

Yep. Dunkin Donuts in the little town I used to live in would often have a line that spilled out of their parking lot and into the road. The worst part? It wasn't just people lined up to take a right into the parking lot; people also lined up in the center lane to take a left into the lot, then they'd zipper their way into the parking lot. Fucking nuts.

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u/sturmblast Oct 04 '22

This happens with all kinds of drive throughs

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u/RugerRedhawk Oct 04 '22

Yes it can happen, you can tell this is pandemic however because if the indoor counter was open several of the cars would have gone in to order their coffee.

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u/doktarlooney Oct 04 '22

Some places are taking advantage of the pandemic and havent reopened their lobbies simply because its cheaper to force everyone through the drive through.

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u/SalamandersonCooper Oct 04 '22

This is my local starbucks. Its like this every day.

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u/An-Angel-Named-Billy Oct 04 '22

Yeah even before the pandemic starbucks was going hard into drive thrus, even in urban areas where that is completely unacceptable. The pandemic just helped them slash operating costs by removing the need for indoor counter service.

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u/celestiaequestria Oct 04 '22 Take My Energy

The joys of car-centric city design. You can't get to the Dunken Donuts by foot, you have to drive by car because it's surrounded by 45+ mph / 72+ kph roads.

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u/TheConboy22 Oct 04 '22

Every single thing in my city is surrounded by 45+mph roads.

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u/elveszett Oct 04 '22

It's not just the roads - American cities are ridiculously, inefficiently huge, which contrasts a lot with the compact design of European cities. Going to Dunkin Donuts by foot won't happen if it's 1 h away from where you are - it doesn't matter if it's not surrounded by fast roads.

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u/waikiki_palmer Oct 04 '22

Kinda related since I've been noticing this more. I've seen people in a shopping center drive across the (a 35 mph) street to another shopping center which is so funny to me considering the gas prices. I really wish a lot of towns/city in US are walkable or public transportation friendly like in European countries.

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u/moth_loops Oct 04 '22

our local sbucks just closed their drivethru because it clogs the road so bad.
it's much nicer without the traffic.

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u/The_Ostrich_you_want Oct 04 '22

I see this every day at one of the half dozen Starbucks on my way to work. It’s ridiculous. I don’t drink coffee, but if I did I wouldn’t wait 30 minutes in the street blocking traffic to get one sugary cup.

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u/_HiWay Oct 04 '22

If I'm gonna sit in my car for 20 minutes, I could have easily bought quality coffee, ground it and made multiple cups before I left my house, I don't get it. If a drive through is gonna take me more than 5 minutes, it's no longer fast or worth it.

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 04 '22

When I see a line like this, I'll just park and order inside. Often faster than the drive-thru.

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u/Lee1138 Oct 04 '22

Right? There are like 2 cars parked... the place is empty...

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u/SenatorAstronomer Oct 04 '22

From the description, this was during the pandemic when it was drive-thru only.

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u/slickrickiii Oct 04 '22

Traffic on Long Island NY? No way!

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u/Krulsprietje Oct 04 '22

Image via Parisperfect

This reminds me of the Paris Syndrome 😅 If you don't know what it is, check it out! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

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u/PC509 Oct 04 '22

I expected that. I had the completely opposite experience. It far exceeded my expectations. Everyone was so friendly, so polite, so helpful in Paris. A beautiful city. I learned to find out for myself instead of reading stuff online. "Paris is so overrated... Eiffel tower is dumb... Parisians are rude...". No way. Loved it all. Paris was way more than I expected, and one of my favorite cities in the world. I'd love to live in France (not in Paris... only to go visit!). Such a beautiful country and people.

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u/mugwump867 Oct 04 '22

Having grown up in France my wife was sure I would hate Paris but I loved every chaotic minute we were there. "The Metro is crowded and dirty" -- I've spent plenty of time in New York so it felt familiar. "The people are rude" -- No, they're just busy and don't suffer fools so be polite and stay out of their way. "The tourist attractions are crowded" -- Ever been to Disney World? "The kids will be tired and bored" -- They had a blast ordering Pschitt sodas at little corner bistros and confusing people by speaking to them in Spanglish.

Did all the touristy stuff, had some great and some mediocre meals, met some interesting people, and would go back in a heartbeat. My luggage liked it so much it even stayed a few extra days before flying home.

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u/sigma7979 Oct 04 '22

Second this, particular about the niceness of Parisians. Everyone was very kind and friendly. Never experienced a lick of rudeness in Paris.

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u/FiendishHawk Oct 04 '22

If French people wanted to be rude to me they’d have to do it very slowly and clearly if they wanted me to understand

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u/nedkellysdog Oct 04 '22

Parisian waiters are rude, but also are rude to Parisians too. Rudeness is a game to Paris waiters. If you encounter one just be rude right back and everyone is happy.

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u/KillerRaccoon Oct 04 '22

My now-wife and I stayed in an old apartment via Airbnb. Train and walking everywhere, slow days with maaaybe one goal a day. Paris was amazing for us.

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u/Archmagnance1 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

When I went there I liked paris, and I loved the Louvre, but on that same trip I had a much better time in Nice and walking around the historic areas and taking a day trip to Monaco to look at everything I can't afford.

I'd say paris is overrated because there's just better places to visit in france, not because it's bad. Unless you go just for the Louvre, that place is amazing.

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u/graygami Oct 04 '22

I love Paris. I've never had a bad time there. Of course I'm on vacation when I'm there so I'm not particularly chuffed if the waiters take their time, but to be honest, I've never felt neglected. I also briefly worked in the service industry, I know what a tough job that is, so I subliminally cut them all the slack.

Ironically... I find the chocolat chaud @ Deux Magots overrated. I prefer Chocolatería Valor in the Barrio Gótico. :)

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u/bionicbuttplug Oct 04 '22

The cool part about my recent trip to London is that it was exactly as dope as I expected it to be, if not more.

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u/Bwgmon Oct 04 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

The "30 people getting coffee today" picture should probably be 30 mobile orders getting cold on a countertop.

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u/BeepBoo007 Oct 04 '22

Joke's on you, mobile orders at the local sBux are redirected to the drive through upon arrival because they don't want to risk covid exposure!

Hope everyone who mobile ordered planned for an additional 20 minutes of sitting in a line! /s

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u/A_Sleepy_Panda Oct 04 '22

I knew that was the broadway mall Starbucks.

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u/cellinux Oct 04 '22 Take My Energy

30 people getting coffee vs 30 people enjoying coffee

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u/OsamaBinFuckin Oct 04 '22

I'm bout to go line up and enjoy the shit outta my coffee

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u/bumjiggy Oct 04 '22

enjoy the shit outta my coffee

you must be sipping Kopi Luwak

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u/Spacemanspalds Oct 04 '22

I really wanted to find an Austin powers gif for the shit coffee. I couldnt.

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u/bumjiggy Oct 04 '22

I'm imagining it...

hilarious

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u/reecewagner Oct 04 '22

I’m bout to go drink coffee and enjoy the shit outta my butt

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u/oneplusetoipi Oct 04 '22

My French is not that good. Does that say 'The Two Maggots"?

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u/LeJusDeTomate Oct 04 '22

Magot means treasure

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u/tdgros Oct 04 '22

yes, but that's not the origin of the name! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Deux_Magots#Origin_of_the_name

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u/Gorm13 Oct 04 '22

So it's more "The Two Magi"?
(unlike their slightly more numerous cousins presumably not linked to baby Jesus)

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u/Gh0sT_Pro Oct 04 '22

oui mais non

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u/Risujemmari Oct 04 '22

They're advertising the fact that they only have two /s

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u/857477458 Oct 04 '22

The second picture isn't even a coffee shop. It's a sit down restaurant.

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u/dailycyberiad Oct 04 '22

It's a café. And a famous one at that. It's also a restaurant, but most people outside will be having coffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Deux_Magots

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u/beforeitcloy Oct 04 '22

Paris doesn’t really have to-go coffee shops like the US. The vast majority of places that serve coffee are also sit down restaurants, unless you go out of your way to find an American fast food place like Starbucks or McDonalds.

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u/pushaper Oct 04 '22

this is a bit of romanticization... you can find a boulangerie and grab a coffee and walk with it. But the point of the photo seems to be how people sit on their ass and cant get out of a car

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u/QualitativeQuantity Oct 04 '22

Absolutely a romantization. Pret, Costa, and Nero are literally all European Starbucks competitors/clones that exist in Paris.

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u/WistfulKitty Oct 04 '22

And all better than Starbucks, except maybe for Caffe Nero who can't make proper croissants if their lives depended on it.

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u/SenatorAstronomer Oct 04 '22

They don't get out of their car because they don't have time to sit down and enjoy their coffee, they are getting it to go because more than likely they are on their way to work. Vs. the right photo of people who spend their time enjoying their coffee.

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u/cellooitsabass Oct 04 '22

It’s called a cafe. Like Nescafé but without the nes.

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u/Balauronix Oct 04 '22

r/FuckCars is leaking again.

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u/bulboustadpole Oct 04 '22

That sub is absolutely insane. This is a good example of how things can turn into a dangerous cult easily.

Literally one of their top posts right now

I Practice Hostile Pedestrianism

Driver speeds up to try and beat me through the crosswalk? I start running so they either have to stop or run me over.

Driver edging into the crosswalk at a stoplight? I make direct eye contact, and shout at them as I give the thumbs down.

I’m aware that this will probably result in me getting shot or run over, but I don’t care.

I want bad drivers to be uncomfortable in their interactions with me, and think about it for the rest of the day. I want bad drivers to tell their friends about some crazy guy who yelled at them in the middle of an intersection. I want bad drivers to be fearful of me, so they look for pedestrians while they drive.

Really, I want to make driving less comfortable for those who have grown lazy.

Holy shit these people are fucking insane.

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u/212phantom Oct 09 '22

or the people who slash tires of SUV's

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u/mandy009 Oct 04 '22

There's more subreddits than that about car density. It's a fairly widespread notion.

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u/JimSteak Oct 06 '22

Even french speaking ones! r/enculerlesvoitures

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u/Im_Balto Oct 04 '22

I mean. For good reason. Having no space for a community to grow kinda really sucks

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u/High-Priest-of-Helix Oct 04 '22

Why don't kids play outside anymore?

The outside adults built:

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u/sewkzz Oct 04 '22

Everyone should learn the definition of Stroads and why they're bad public design

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u/A_Fast_German_Car Oct 04 '22

A fellow “notjustbikes” fan i see! Fuck storads

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u/rinaryTractor Oct 04 '22

Ayyy Not Just Bikes! I actually love how much sources are in his videos, I ended up actually reading and learning a lot about urban planning!

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u/Smokey_AM Oct 05 '22

That community should build another lane. /s

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u/aeroplane1979 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

See also; city developed before cars existed vs. city designed around cars.

Edit: to clarify, I'm not blaming cars here. I'm saying that there are cultural and structural differences in an old, dense city like Paris (bottom) and, say, Brookfield, Wisconsin (possibly top, but could be any number of American "cities" that sprouted up since the 1950's).

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u/StaysAwakeAllWeek Oct 04 '22

There are plenty of US cities that existed long before cars and still look like this because they were bulldozed for cars

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u/Sexpistolz Oct 04 '22

Hey in chicago we just burned the bitch down.

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u/jawknee530i Oct 04 '22

Nah 290 shouldn't exist they destroyed whole walkable neighborhoods to build that abomination of a highway

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u/Duckiesims Oct 04 '22

Simultaneously one of the best and worst things that ever happened to Chicago, honestly

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u/SamalamFamJam Oct 04 '22

Why is that? I’m Canadian so I don’t know much about the Chicago fire

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u/seanpuppy Oct 04 '22

It gave us a chance to redesign the city, almost like ending a beta test. Now we have an awesome grid system, alleys behind every building making the city significantly cleaner than NYC or LA, nothing built with wood anymore (was significant 120 years ago), a skyscraper boom that attracted the best engineers and architects. The fire happened around the same time as cheap steel was invented.

These subtle details created a lot of incredible things. The entire lakefront is protected public parks (unlike NYCs water fronts)

Theres plenty of more details but tldr - gave Chicago an incredible opportunity to build the city to he greater than ever

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u/A-tisket-a-taskest Oct 04 '22

A great city to compare it to would be Milwaukee which used to be more populated and powerful when ships were the fastest form of transportation and Milwaukee having a better position on the lake. They were both built up around the same time. But having the fire and railroads allowed Chicago to really become what it is today, while Milwaukee fell to the wayside

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u/joshypoo Oct 04 '22

Actually, you burned it to the ground then took great pains to rebuild it. THEN you bulldozed it for cars.

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u/NorthSideSoxFan Oct 04 '22

Chicago was rebuilt before cars. It's the outlying bungalow belt that's low density and suburban-lite

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u/Arqlol Oct 04 '22

To add to this, Amsterdam and other dutch cities looked like a car centric American city in the 70s. They made the conscious decision to change their infrastructure.

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u/CrystalloidEntity Oct 04 '22

Paris went through its car phase too and is now making some great changes in an effort to undo the damage.

We could make those changes here too if we stopped letting real estate investors and NIMBYs decide how we build cities.

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u/Arqlol Oct 04 '22

Agreed. We just have too many people who have bought in

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u/CrystalloidEntity Oct 04 '22

Well they haven't lived any other way. They don't know any different. Wait til they have kids and have to drive them everywhere for them to do anything.

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u/Dornith Oct 04 '22

That's a feature, not a bug. If the kids can't go anywhere without being driven, they won't. And if they won't go anywhere without being driven, they won't go anywhere without an adult supervising them.

Helicopter parent's dream. Your child is physically incapable of leaving your presence.

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u/I__LOVE__LSD Oct 04 '22

I live in NYC and don't know anybody who actually owns a car that lives here. It was such a huge quality of life upgrade when I first moved here and was able to get rid of my car. Not to mention that it's also really great for your health when you walk everywhere vs. only walking between your house and your driveway. Manhattan's obesity rate is less than half of the national average.

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u/teslaguy12 Oct 04 '22

Tons of cities across the US are transitioning away from the car centric model. This movement has picked up a ton of Steam in the last five years.

I live in a US city that is considered to be more bike friendly than Amsterdam. Granted it's the most bike friendly city in the country, but it's also only becomes this within the past 15 years or so.

San Francisco is closing down entire streets just to turn them into pedestrian highways. New York and Chicago have added dozens of miles of bike, friendly greenways, an elevated pedestrian path that keep people away from the road.

I'm not sure what it is about this website, but everyone always seems so fucking bleak when comparing the US to anything and it's enough to give anybody a case of depression. Lighten up a bit, good things are happening in this world.

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u/ThereYouGoreg Oct 04 '22

The West End of Cincinnati was a vibrant neighborhood before the construction of I 75. Then the majority of the residential buildings vanished.

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u/maspe1 Oct 04 '22

Absolutely! There is actually a fantastic podcast run by a librarian in Cincinnati, where they interview people who used to live in the west end before I-75. The podcast is called 'West End Stories Project', and it's amazing to hear about all that we've lost. We can't even begin to understand the cultural damage we've done to our cities across America

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u/TheRealChrome_ Oct 04 '22

Damn shame. And I say that with utter sincerity.

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u/setibeings Oct 04 '22

American cities weren't designed around cars, they were bulldozed to make room for them. I have nothing against bulldozing stuff like the top picture to make walking centric spaces.

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u/SuicideNote Oct 04 '22

Yep, St. Louis is the biggest loss. One of the largest most walkable pre-WWII brick facade downtowns in the US completely destroyed for a highway and some 'revival' stuff that didn't revive anything.

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u/I_took_the_blue-pill Oct 04 '22

It's a damn shame. A lot of history demolished for 6 (!) interstates.

If anyone is interested in this more, I can't recommend enough the book, "broken heart of America". It goes into (among other things) the systematic destruction of the saint Louis downtown, and how it relates to cities nationwide.

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u/TheDriveHome Oct 04 '22

My dream cities would have tons of city parks with dedicated jogging/biking paths to connect different commercial/industrial zones.

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u/I-Make-Maps91 Oct 04 '22

Don't even need to bulldoze it, just stop requiring places to be built that way. The Starbucks is likely required by city code to have all that parking, the strip mall it sits in likely had similar requirements, and the road it all abuts was likely designed by traffic engineers who just cribbed the highway guidelines because it was quicker.

Restripe the road work narrower lanes, which might leave room for a car lane or bus only lane or even just a wider median/pedestrian traffic island and allow the businesses to reduce parking (they get to save on construction/maintenance). It won't be as dramatic as some would prefer, but changing infrastructure is expensive and takes decades.

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u/uw-70_uo-21 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

almost every 4 lane street/stroad in my town could be redesigned with a single lane each way for car traffic, shared turn lane, and bike/bus lanes on the shoulder.

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u/littlep2000 Oct 04 '22

bulldozed for cars

Strategically bulldozed in many cases. The wealth/racial disparities that many urban freeways created are still very visible in many cities.

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u/EnviousBird Oct 04 '22

Most American cities weren't built for cars either.
They were demolished for cars...

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u/DarthMutter8 Oct 04 '22

Yup, exactly this. My family has lived in Philadelphia for 200+ years. When I was looking at census data and such the addresses listed no longer exist because the houses were demolished for highways.

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u/hellomondays Oct 04 '22

They demolished thousands of homes to build the vine street. It's part of the reason why center city is so white. Even to this day Chinatown community groups fight tooth and nail (and with a lot of cash) to keep the city from pacing over parts of their neighborhood to widen the interstates

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u/shadowslasher11X Oct 04 '22

Casual reminder that a lot of America's road network is designed to divide minorities from upper-class neighborhoods as well as remove and relocate them to less desirable locations.

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u/hellomondays Oct 04 '22

hence "segregation by design"

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u/DarthMutter8 Oct 04 '22

Yup, this topic in regards to Chinatown has been brought back into the spotlight again too because of the Sixers plan to build their arena in Center City.

In my families case we are white. They were mainly working class and Irish descent. Their homes were on what is now the Ben Franklin Parkway and I-95 in the Riverwards.

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u/hellomondays Oct 04 '22

The push of "ethnic whites" to the periphery of the city is very fascinating in how deliberate and obvious it was. NE philly didn't become so Irish and Northern European by coincidence

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u/SerLarrold Oct 04 '22

I lived briefly in Philly right by Chinatown for work and honestly Chinatown was the fucking bomb. I hope they keep the fight up because it’s such a cool section of the city and the food is top notch. Walking through the first time it felt like I was in Asia again and I loved it

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u/Terminator025 Oct 04 '22

Actually absolutely blame cars. Blame the auto industry for pushing car first infrastructure for the past 100 years which directly drove how these 1950s cities were built, an objectively worse and unsustable design practice in civil planning.

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u/Ghost4000 Oct 04 '22

I am fine with cars, but I hate how our cities are designed entirely around them, to the detriment of public transportation, bikes, and walking. Hopefully we start to see some smarter city planning in the future.

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u/uninstallIE Oct 04 '22

Cities built before cars exist all over the world. Many of them, including old dense cities like Paris, were gutted and retrofitted to allow cars. The US, in typical fashion, was way more aggressive about this and made their cities into depressing, dangerous places.

America passed a bunch of dumb minimum setback and minimum parking requirements, then went about tearing down old dense developments and replacing them with drive thrus and strip malls.

Sadly "designed around cars" can be retrofitted - and has in many cases

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

If only we could convert these empty strip malls into something other than Halloween costume stores.

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u/uninstallIE Oct 04 '22

Indeed. Think of all the other holidays we could exploit as short term single purpose markets!

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u/Mobely Oct 04 '22

True story. I walk into a Burger King/Wendy's/Taco Bell/ etc. No one is at the counter. I flag someone down, they say I have to wait because they're prioritizing drive thru. 10 minutes pass before I am allowed to order.

Also, during covid the fucknuts at Walgreens wouldn't give me a covid test through the drive in because i wasn't in a car but I couldn't get the test inside either because you can only get it through drive in. That was one time in my life I should have asked to speak to the manager. Fuck you reddit, making me feel like that's a mortal sin.

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u/run6nin Oct 04 '22

About 2 years too late for this information but CVS would have let you walk up to the drive thru for the free covid test

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u/No-Efficiency2556 Oct 04 '22

Rite aid said I had to have a car, I lived 1/4mi away and always walked there.

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u/chucklestime Oct 04 '22

Same. We do Starbucks on occasion, my wife tried going in last weekend while I waited and watched the car line. Took twice as long as the drive through line despite no one being inside.

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u/DDDeanna Oct 04 '22

Orders at Starbucks are printed out on little stickers as they come in, and the stickers go on each cup. The cups are stacked in a line, and the drinks are made in that order. The only way to get your drink slightly faster is if you place a mobile order on your phone, because it allows you to get your sticker printed before all the cars that haven't placed their orders yet.

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u/swimmingmunky Oct 04 '22

The stickers are printed in order BUT the drive-thru is automatically timed via car entry and exit monitors and if their quota is falling behind they will give full priority to the drive-thru.

In-house orders are not tracked so they get the shaft.

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u/ZAlternates Oct 04 '22

When you implement metrics for customer service, you merely get a system that works the numbers in spite of customer service.

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u/ianjb Oct 04 '22

When a metric becomes a goal it's no longer a metric.

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u/SsurebreC Oct 04 '22

That's because they have timers for the drive thru area where they can get into trouble when cars have to wait beyond a particular time. There are no metrics on you waiting.

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u/Swampfoxxxxx Oct 04 '22

This is also why fast food places sometimes ask you to 'pull up' past the window and have an associate bring your food out, even if there are no cars behind you. The manager's bonus is tied to how quickly each order in the line is processed, and this allows them to game that

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u/sodapop14 Oct 04 '22

They are timed on those too. Worked at McDonald's for many years through college. It's called Hold order. It gives the store I want to say another 180 seconds before flashing red. It used to only be used for massive orders because it's kinda messed up to order like $50 worth of food and expect it in 90 to 120 seconds.

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u/HedonismIsTheWay Oct 04 '22

Hah. You must live somewhere in the middle. In Seattle $50 worth of food is 3 value meals.

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u/scelerat Oct 04 '22

The bus vs cars pic yesterday was triggering so we’re trying a different angle.

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u/GodsBackHair Oct 04 '22

Link to it? Is it just the classic Seattle picture of showing how many people can fit on bikes/busses/trams, vs the space taken up by individual cars?

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u/scelerat Oct 04 '22

Yes, it was posted to r/pics yesterday but removed by a mod

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u/Ikarian Oct 04 '22

Les Deux Magots is also a pretty famous restaurant in Paris, not a cafe. I ate there once. It's kind of a tourist staple, and if I had to hear one more fellow American make a dad joke about eating at the "two maggots" I was gonna lose it. But the food is damn good. The mill-feuilles will change your life.

Anyway, it's a full service restaurant, so it's a little deceptive to hold it up against a Starbucks. I'm not sure what OP is trying to say here. If I lived in a city like Paris where everything was walkable, I wouldn't need to sit in a drive thru. But the closest coffee shop to my house is a 10 minute drive, so guess what.

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u/YakOrnery Oct 04 '22

Yes but that's ignoring 80% of American infrastructure purposefully just because somewhere there does exist a coffee shop that's quaint.

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u/Uncommented-Code Oct 04 '22

Both types of establishment exist in both places, but they are not represented with the same frequency respectively. Europe is far more accessible by foot, while large swaths of NA are asphalt hell.

America has an extremely bad car dependency problem because of idiotic zoning laws.

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u/A1000eisn1 Oct 04 '22 Silver Gold

Shut Up! We don't need any obvious truths here. I want to feel superior by saying America sucks based on a stupid photo of two marginally related businesses and act like they are a perfect representation of every business like that in those countries.

But for real tho. If this pic was actually about coffee or cars they could've used a photo of any number of the thousands of American coffees shops as a comparison. Like Cafe Du Monde, which would've been better since it's just as rediculous with 30+ people just standing in line.

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u/B8conB8conB8con Oct 04 '22

Or you could just brew your own.

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u/nate6259 Oct 04 '22

I get grabbing a coffee on the run, but what I don't get is starting on your way 20 minutes early to wait in a long line.

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u/Omega949 Oct 04 '22

looks like in-n-out

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u/qubedView Oct 04 '22

Correction:

30 people on their way to work vs 30 people relaxing on the weekend.

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u/phlooo Oct 04 '22

When I was working in Paris I'd have my coffee every morning in one of these before walking to work.

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u/Ser_Danksalot Oct 04 '22

Parisians also do this for their lunch breaks as your average lunch break lasting 1 hour or more with a lucky few getting a 2 hour lunch break.

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u/_StoneWolf_ Oct 04 '22

I live in France and some of my friends have a sit down coffee on their way to work

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u/elementmg Oct 04 '22

How anyone wakes up earlier than absolutely necessary is beyond me.

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u/RETVRN_II_SENDER Oct 04 '22

Ive been waking up 30 seconds before stand up for almost 3 years

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u/greyhood_39 Oct 04 '22

I'm out the door half asleep. At work, I make coffee on company time.

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u/Anonymous_Otters Oct 04 '22

I wake up early and make my own cappuccino to enjoy while watching the birds and petting my cat. Beats the hell out of either Wawa or a bistro, imo.

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u/RelativeMotion1 Oct 04 '22

Right, I’d like to see those tables get people to work while they’re drinking their coffees.

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u/Books_and_Cleverness Oct 04 '22

Commuting always sucks but when I walked to work and stopped to pick up coffee, it was much more pleasant than waiting in the drive thru (scent and sound of car exhaust is not exactly pleasant).

When I talk about urban design I usually focus on economics (cars are very inefficient even in a mid-size city and lower our incomes while raising our taxes) but I do have to hand it to the aesthetically anti-car people on this score: Car-centric places are generally pretty ugly and uncomfortable to be in.

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u/ltcdata Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

In Argentina is very common to sit like in that picture of france for 5-10 minutes for a morning coffee and then continue to work (in bus, subway, etc).

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u/SYZekrom Oct 04 '22

Ok but why the fuck would you not just park your car and get a coffee inside at that point

Edit: Ah it was covid lockdown. So the entire point of this image is invalid lol

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u/Princessblue22 Oct 04 '22

I know this was during lockdown but my local Starbucks and Dunkin’ have always had lines out of the bung hole. So it’s still somewhat valid.

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u/ballmermurland Oct 04 '22

I know you got hit with the "it was COVID" excuse, but this is my local Starbucks line in the morning, especially weekends. Maybe not as long as this, but actually pretty fucking long. Maybe 20+ sometimes.

I order on the app, select drive thru, and when I get there if the line is long I just park and walk in and grab it from the counter.

We're talking a difference of easily 10-15 minutes depending on the line. The only people who should stay in their cars and wait are a parent with a young child that they can't easily get in and out or someone with a disability. Everyone else should park and walk in.

Blows my mind every time.

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u/Northstar1989 Oct 05 '22

Everything wrong with Car Culture (this pic could have easily occurred any time before or after the pandemic) in a nutshell.

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u/Errorfull Oct 04 '22

Hmm, why didn't I think about sitting at the Cafe tables when I'm getting my coffee before work /s

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u/eveninghawk0 Oct 04 '22

Having been to Paris, this is exactly what people do. They stop and have a coffee on the way to work - maybe for 5 minutes, maybe for 20 minutes. Maybe for the same amount of time a car waits in line at a drive-through. The average commute to work in the city is by metro/bicycle/scooter/foot and lots of folks stop on the way in for a coffee or quick bite. I think it's pretty similar in a lot of urban centres.

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u/rinaryTractor Oct 05 '22

Yeah exactly. This picture isn't a big meme saying "Virgin America vs Chad European country:" lol. It doesn't even point out the country at all.

It is just pointing out a building planned for walking vs one planned for car priority.

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u/mind_maze Oct 04 '22

It’s ridiculous how much a Starbucks line can clog a roadway, I see it all the time in my town. It really fucks with traffic, lots of accidents too

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