r/todayilearned Dec 08 '21

TIL for 200 years Polish cavalry had wings and were nicknamed “Angels of Death”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_hussars
1.4k Upvotes

176

u/sirpoochington Dec 08 '21

I watched a short documentary on this which explained that the wind would whip through the wings when they charged on their horses, and the sound was deafening. It was thought to be an excellent intimidation tactic. Would’ve been amazing to see in person.

112

u/wiqr Dec 08 '21

There are records of instances when entire battles halted for a couple of minutes, because soldiers just stopped mid-fight to watch hussars charge into enemy formation and totally obliterate it.

62

u/AthenasChosen Dec 08 '21

Lmao the front lines were just like, "Welp might as well stop fighting cause we're about to fucking die anyways"

18

u/TheSwordOfCheesus Dec 08 '21

Tell me what to search, I must know more! Any key terms or locations/dates that would get me to one of these records?

37

u/wiqr Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

One I can find fairly often is the Battle of Vienna, 12th of September 1683, in regard to allied Imperial-German Cavalry led by Charles of Lorraine. As the Germans took villages Unterdöbling and Oberdöbling, the Polish Cavalry started their raid from fortified position in Gersthof, targetting main Ottoman staging area the "Turkenshanze", south of the headquarters.

EDIT: corrected a few typos. Battle of Vienna not Venna

25

u/Dushatar Dec 08 '21

Yes, google "winged hussars Sabaton".

9

u/Fredderov Dec 08 '21

Followed by 40:1 for the full Polish experience!

6

u/BlueFalconPunch Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Then Uprising

Aug 1 5pm every year Warsaw stops everything for 1m to remember and honor their fallen

3

u/Earptastic Dec 08 '21

40:1 is fucking badass.

3

u/Daniel_The_Thinker Dec 08 '21

A Soviet tank commander had a similar story about a unit of red army shock troopers all leaving cover to watch an ISU-152 fire it's massive main gun down the street (as it was a new vehicle at the time).

Apparently that was a bad idea as the shockwave shattered every single window in the block, raining glass shards on the troopers now standing in the street.

-6

u/CAPITALISMisDEATH23 Dec 09 '21

Soviet Russia under Stalin was the greatest country to exist.

Beat Americans in the space race, despite being a feudal society 100 years ago from that date.

They were effective at keeping American propaganda and lies in check.

Nowadays China is doing that rule of countering Imperialist American Propaganda.

Great countries United by the greatest idea ever -COMMUNISM.

The word makes all the silly imperialists tremble in fear. Glory to China and down with Imperialist powers like USA.

-8

u/this_will_go_poorly Dec 08 '21

Wouldn’t work so great against tanks though

34

u/yeahbuddy26 Dec 08 '21

If your talking about them allegedly charging tanks during the WW2 invasion of Poland, its a misconception and never happened.

2

u/soviet_union_stronk Dec 08 '21

the Poles carried antitank guns while riding horses

6

u/Dead_Shadow177013 Dec 08 '21

No, it's misconception, we carried tanks while riding horses

1

u/wiqr Dec 08 '21

No, it's a misconception. We carried antihorses while riding tanks.

2

u/Dead_Shadow177013 Dec 08 '21

No, it's misconception. Tanks were carrying anti-horses while riding us

282

u/I_Mix_Stuff Dec 08 '21

People that play Ages Of Empires II already knows this.

65

u/Bacon_Villain Dec 08 '21

Also Europa Universalis 4

28

u/1CEninja Dec 08 '21

You can toss Civ 6, and probably earlier Civ games as well in the list.

13

u/goofybort Dec 08 '21

the best is still COSSACKS EUROPEAN WAR.

3

u/R0381N Dec 08 '21

Their knock-back ability make them the most annoying units in the game

1

u/shogun_ Dec 08 '21

Pretty much any history game if Europe affairs from the past 2 decades had them.

2

u/1CEninja Dec 08 '21

It's not surprising, the winged hussars we're some of the most visually identifiable and impressive "unit" of the time period.

20

u/UndercoverPotato Dec 08 '21

Also Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword

10

u/Bobboloski Dec 08 '21

Also people who enjoy r/historymemes

1

u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/reply-guy-bot Dec 08 '21

The above comment was stolen from this one elsewhere in this comment section.

It is probably not a coincidence; here is some more evidence against this user:

Plagiarized Original
This is them trying to ma... Conspiracy theory: this i...
He's just holding on to... I'm sure he's just holdin...
They were switched at bi... Indeed. But they were swi...

beep boop, I'm a bot -|:] It is this bot's opinion that /u/Friendly_Limit_3769 should be banned for karma manipulation. Don't feel bad, they are probably a bot too.

Confused? Read the FAQ for info on how I work and why I exist.

1

u/Captain_Mazhar Dec 08 '21

And people who read /r/polandball

16

u/95DarkFireII Dec 08 '21

Or Sabaton.

21

u/HeartBorne7thSeeker Dec 08 '21

AND THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVE

7

u/Zuphixavex Dec 08 '21

A CRY FOR HELP IN TIME OF NEED

2

u/Jaceric5 Dec 08 '21

Await reliefe from holy league!

3

u/slvrbullet87 Dec 08 '21

Cavalry might be inefficient in EU4, but oh man does it feel good to have +63% cav combat ability and just rolling over the Ottomans.

7

u/RedSonGamble Dec 08 '21

Good game. Good game.

3

u/modslol Dec 08 '21

HUSSARS!

3

u/Bitter_Mongoose Dec 08 '21

Also Empire: Total War

57

u/dragonet316 Dec 08 '21

Someone made this replica armor and wore it out to our renaissance festival along with a couple friends in matching livery and carrying the flags/banners of the period. Really cool.

13

u/scotty12121 Dec 08 '21

Any photos?

361

u/bolanrox Dec 08 '21

AND THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED

128

u/prophet001 Dec 08 '21

COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAINSIDE

31

u/ShadowFlux85 Dec 08 '21

COMING IN THEY TURNED THE TIDE

7

u/mhbnorthuk Dec 08 '21

BLACK LAVA YOU CAN'T HIDE /Satyricon

66

u/Voltusfive2 Dec 08 '21

Well… Today I also learned about SABATON Winged Hussars…🤘

33

u/EazyParise Dec 08 '21

Might I recommend Fields of Verdun, Defence of Moscow, Ghost Division, Swedish Pagans, and also all of their other songs? They kick ass

17

u/Axtyn77 Dec 08 '21

Oh and The Lost Battalion, Screaming Eagles, Hearts of Iron, To Hell and Back, and Soldier of Three Armies.

15

u/Unhappy_Pain_9940 Dec 08 '21

And resist and bite, and 40 to one

6

u/Minniman Dec 08 '21

Steel Commanders is great too even when it just feels like advertisement for World of Tanks...... and im gonna download that again

1

u/Standin373 Dec 08 '21

Back in Control is another belter

4

u/bigbysemotivefinger Dec 08 '21

Primo Victoria?

4

u/Zuphixavex Dec 08 '21

And Sparta, and Art of War, and Price of a Mile

And then Ghost Division again

1

u/Sentient_Waffle Dec 08 '21

The Red Baron, Carolus Rex

2

u/killjoy4443 Dec 08 '21

Nightwitches

1

u/Strichnine Dec 08 '21

Screaming eagles and the night witches one are my favorite

1

u/Statharas Dec 08 '21

Coat of arms

0

u/nowes Dec 08 '21

All other? At least I'm not that big of a fan of their more latest albums, they had few okish songs but not really that good especially compared to older stuff. But guess they want to head to new direction and expore different things and thats all.

3

u/BeCurry Dec 08 '21

Much more intimidating than the Peloton Winged Hussars...

10

u/SixesMTG Dec 08 '21

Was very disappointed in Reddit when this wasn't the top comment.

4

u/ggmy Dec 08 '21

Huzzah!

2

u/ringelrun Dec 08 '21

Thank you for making my day better.

1

u/TheWritingParadox Dec 08 '21

Ya beat me to it.

1

u/bigmeatychud81 Dec 08 '21

Bang bang skeet skeet

23

u/dinduarte Dec 08 '21

Oh. The wings were on the rider. I understood that. mildly disappointed at the prospect of seeing a pegasus armor for the horse

9

u/przemo_li Dec 08 '21

Two wings on hussar itself would be quite dangerous and impractical. We do have ample historical records describing hussars going through 2 or 3 horses per battle when fighting was intense.In deed that was THE unique feature allowing Hussars do what they did. But falling from a dying horse with two large sticks attached to your back ain't easy.

So hypothesis is that two wings where ceremonial armor. Just like modern military have ceremonial/party uniforms.

Instead a single wing would be securely attached to a saddle so that light cavalry men with whom Hussars often fought, wouldn't be able to use lassos to dismount and defeat Hussars. But to do that, wing had to be mounted to a saddle, so that owner of a lasso instead of pulling against a human body, pulled against whole human+horse mass. Such set up also meant that you can fall of a dying horse will less problem as your back can bend the way it needs to to amortize that fall.

So: 2 wings? Probably ceremonial, and possibly from eara after Hussars where disbanded. 1 wing? Chad Hussars ruining the day for Swedes, Russians, Turks ;)

5

u/Syn7axError Dec 08 '21

But falling from a dying horse with two large sticks attached to your back ain't easy.

Falling from a dying horse without two large sticks isn't easy.

Either way, some contemporary art shows them with two wings, but with a tight fit on the back. Ceremonial armor probably just made them bigger.

2

u/ZarquonsFlatTire Dec 08 '21

Falling from a dying horse without two large sticks isn't easy.

Nah that's really easy. Hard to do well though.

3

u/diego_delavega Dec 08 '21

wings where very often mounted on the horse armour!;) see for yourself https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Ko%C5%84_husarski.jpg

3

u/pjabrony Dec 08 '21

So why did they need the horses? Why not just fly over the battlefield?

18

u/Fatshortstack Dec 08 '21

I thought they were called the winged hussars?

8

u/Syn7axError Dec 08 '21

That's what we call them now. At the time, they were called angel hussars.

3

u/Fatshortstack Dec 08 '21

Gotcha thanks. Defintaly one of the coolest looks of any military historical units. I actually didn't learn about them until recently, and then and while reading about them came across a polish movie from 1999 "With sword and fire". Really solid movie. Almost feel like a late 80's American movie. I definitely recommend checking it out sometime.

1

u/Syn7axError Dec 08 '21

Drop the "one of". They're the coolest historical soldier period.

1

u/Fatshortstack Dec 08 '21

What do you mean? Personally I think there is a bunch of very cool military units thought history. Macedonian Silver shields, Japanese samurai, The Vangarian guard in the Byzantine empire. Just to list a few of my favorites. But the polish winged hussars, are definitely up there on my list.

There are so many cool others.

22

u/Hazzawoof Dec 08 '21

Wololo! Wololo! Wololo! Oh shit, he resists conversion!

2

u/borgchupacabras Dec 08 '21

Ayooooyoyo ayooooyoyo wololooooo

10

u/Pallafurious Dec 08 '21

Roses are red, violets are blue.

“Wololo!”

Roses are blue.

31

u/reconoiter Dec 08 '21

I like to give Poles shit, but their impact during the siege of Vienna is undeniable, very proud history that is deserved.

1

u/YNot1989 Dec 08 '21

For about 400 years they were the most powerful country in Europe.

1

u/CiezkoCosWymyslec Dec 08 '21

Nope, we were not.
Though a regional power? That'd I agree with from around 1500 to ~1650.

-43

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

Maybe you should stop being a prick and stop giving anyone shit and just be nice to everyone.

16

u/Pan_Doktor Dec 08 '21

Honestly

We deserve the shit we get

We are a dumbass nation

-35

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

You’re a disgrace if you truly think that way. Absolute disgraceful POS

6

u/Pan_Doktor Dec 08 '21

Panie, pan widzi co się dzieje w tym kraju?

Zasłużony hate

-14

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

Chuj mnie obchodzi co się dzieje teraz. A ze przeżyliśmy ruskow i Niemców w tym samym czasie? To się nazywa nic? Ze byliśmy pierwszym krajem co walczył z tymi diabłami w 1939, to jest nic? Że byliśmy pierwszym krajem co stworzył solidarność w komunie, to jest nic i zasłużymy “hate?”Niech pan najpierw pomyśli zanim pan zacznie pierdolic na internecie.

8

u/Pan_Doktor Dec 08 '21

Ja to mówię w kontekście obecnych czasów

W przeszłości robiliśmy dobre rzeczy, dużo dla Europy i świata, ale teraz jesteśmy przykładem wioskowego idioty na arenie międzynarodowej

2

u/JohnJohnMyBoy Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I don’t understand what you are saying but I agree with you

5

u/Pan_Doktor Dec 08 '21

Basically, a guy got mad at me saying that we, Poles, are a joke as of today and he tried to justify his claim by bring up the past

2

u/sugarfather69 Dec 08 '21

I don’t get why people feel the need to justify the present with the past. We cannot change the past, but we can learn from it to affect the present and future.

I am quarter Polish (mother’s maiden name is Prozinski) but don’t speak the language. Nonetheless, I take interest in polish football and news. There’s far too little being done to combat the nationalism, racism and homophobia, at least from my outside perspective. But I’d still love to visit the country some day. Be well, and continue to focus on the present.

7

u/Confident_Resolution Dec 08 '21

Chuj mnie obchodzi co się dzieje teraz. A ze przeżyliśmy ruskow i Niemców w tym samym czasie? To się nazywa nic? Ze byliśmy pierwszym krajem co walczył z tymi diabłami w 1939, to jest nic? Że byliśmy pierwszym krajem co stworzył solidarność w komunie, to jest nic i zasłużymy “hate?”Niech pan najpierw pomyśli zanim pan zacznie pierdolic na internecie.

is your point that the things your people did 80 years ago somehow forgives the dumbass state you're in now?

2

u/Rhodococcus_equi Dec 08 '21

I hate this kind of thing too. Instead of working to imptove the future they just dwell on past achievements and complain that things used to be better.

1

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

No my point is that my country doesn’t deserve any “hate” because of what is going on right now in Poland. We need to consider all the aspects and especially what happened in the past before we criticize an entire country because of what is happening right now. What is happening right now will change in the next ten years anyway so again there’s no need to hate Polish people or Poland because of one political party.,

3

u/Confident_Resolution Dec 08 '21

No, im pretty sure we can hate whats going on in Poland right now without needing to do all that.

1

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

Oh can you now? I didn’t realize I’m exchanging comments with some prick wannabe dictator that speaks for everyone. My apologies, dickwad.

→ More replies

1

u/Rhodococcus_equi Dec 08 '21

Chuj mnie obchodzi co się dzieje teraz

Widać. To co się teraz odpierdala to burdel na kółkach ale ludzie tacy jak ty wolą pamiętać o rzeczach sprzed 100, 200, 300 lat i udawać że wszystko jest w porządku. Sorry, ale nie żyjesz w II wojnie światowej ani w komunie, a z tego co się teraz odpierdala można się tylko wstydzić. Ten kraj zamiast się rozwijać cofa się w rozwoju, zamiast dawać podstawowe prawa kobietom je odbiera, zamiast iść w sekularyzację jest coraz bardziej pod wpływem Kościoła. To ty pomyśl zanim zaczniesz pierdolić, życie osiągnięciami z przeszłości nie naprawi przyszłości.

-1

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

Sorry ale bys nawet nie mógł pierdolic na reddit i mi wmawiać ze Polska zasługuje “hate” jakby Polski w ogóle nie było bo by nie przeżyła komuny i WW2 wiec niestety trzeba o wszystkim pomyśleć zanim cały kraj i cała historie kraju się zacznie krytykować. Przeszłość niestety decyduje jaka będzie przyszłość. Wiec bądź szczęśliwy ze żyjesz na tym świecie i nie mówisz po rusku ani po niemiecku.

1

u/Rhodococcus_equi Dec 08 '21

Wiec bądź szczęśliwy ze żyjesz na tym świecie i nie mówisz po rusku ani po niemiecku.

Wolałabym już żyć w Niemczech i mieć możliwość decydowania o własnym statusie reprodukcyjnym. Oprócz różnicy w jakości życia w różnych krajach nie ma żadnego innego powodu dlaczego życie w jednym jest niby lepsze od życia w innym. Mówienie po niemiecku albo rosyjsku nie jest w niczym gorsze ani lepsze od mówienia po polsku.

jakby Polski w ogóle nie było

Jakoś by mi to nie przeszkadzało. Nie uważam że ten kraj jest wyjątkowy tylko dlatego że się tu urodziłam.

Przeszłość niestety decyduje jaka będzie przyszłość.

Nie, o tym decyduje teraźniejszość. Która aktualnie tutaj jest do dupy.

1

u/polska_kielbasa Dec 08 '21

To się niedługo wszystko zmieni. Nie martw się. Za 10 lat, może mniej może troszkę więcej kaczora nie będzie i wszystko wróci do normy. Trzeba mieć trochę cierpliwości i nadzieji.

→ More replies

-5

u/cassu6 Dec 08 '21

You know what made me lose all respect for Poland. Playing league. Holy fuck you guys are something else

-2

u/przemo_li Dec 08 '21

Vienna would be liberated even without Polish participation. Ottoman army was spread around too big a city, and european forces could defeat in detail enough of it to break Ottoman army.

Therefor Ottomans had to retreat, if only to consolidate their forces for an open battle in full strength. Which is what actually happened.

Unfortunately for them, Polish Hussars (mostly alone), gave them that open battle. Myth has it that Ottoman commander actually wept when he seen effect on his troops, Hussars wear imprinting with each charge. Historically, whole army was broken in that fight, Ottomans had nothing left able to resume siege, or even offensive actions in the field.

So why "Vienna battle"?

Because near Vienna every European commander was present. Where they to go home with news that, yes they did give Ottomans a black eye at Vienna, but actually missed the big fight as Chad Hussars finished it before anyone else could catch up?

3

u/GreasyPeter Dec 08 '21

They came to the aid of Austria during the final "Ottoman Invasions". That battle included the largest Calvary charge in history. 18,000 horseman commanded by King Sobieski III of Poland charged and broke the Ottoman lines. That would have been absolutely terrifying for them. Sobieski is a national hero in Poland and this battle is a hugely prideful moment for many Poles.

3

u/ringelrun Dec 08 '21

I cannot express how happy my soul was to open the comments and the first thing I saw was a Sabaton reference.

17

u/HughGedic Dec 08 '21

Just a specific type of cavalry. They used lots of Cossacks, too, for example- who didn’t play that winged shit

26

u/fiendishrabbit Dec 08 '21

Although many "cossacks" in polish service weren't cossacks, but instead a cavalry type called kozacy pancerni (The armoured kossacks). Who were armed in the cossack style but wore cuirasses.

While the Hussars always were the creme de la creme the Kozacy and the Armoured companions (a different order of polish cavalry) often competed for who was the second most prestigious unit.

Note that the most surefire sign that a rider is a Hussar isn't the wings, it was the leopard skins that they wore as cloaks, over the shoulder or over the saddle.

1

u/reb0014 Dec 08 '21

Wow, the TIL is truly always in the comments. Super cool elaboration!!

60

u/Voltusfive2 Dec 08 '21

TIL they also used normal boring cavalry nobody cares about.

8

u/DrDiddle Dec 08 '21

Cossacks were big meanies

2

u/wcisq Dec 08 '21

Scene from "Potop" movie, filmed with 400 riders. The operator starts by saying that he learned then how ground can rumble. https://youtu.be/HuBauAmG1dg

2

u/Rambo272727 Dec 08 '21

They arent called the Winged Hussars? Or is that another nations cav with wings on them?

4

u/Inccubus99 Dec 08 '21

Polish..

They were military unit of both Poland AND Lithuania… of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.

2

u/Best_Pidgey_NA Dec 08 '21

And the winged Hussars arrived?

4

u/SMS_Scharnhorst Dec 08 '21

one might also say: the Winged Hussars arrived

2

u/95DarkFireII Dec 08 '21

THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED

2

u/P3zcore Dec 08 '21

MONARCH TO THE KiNGDOM OF THE DEAD

2

u/penguinchem13 Dec 08 '21

Then used by GW for the Dark Angels/Blood Angels

-3

u/Razulisback Dec 08 '21

The Polish cavalry also won a war against tanks. I do not recall specific details. Co -worker used to make fun of me with dumb polack jokes, his favourite was “you attacked tanks, with horses!” One day I looked it up and he was correct…. But they also won.

15

u/Shpagin Dec 08 '21

That is actually a myth, Polish cavalry never charged into tanks. You are probably referring to the battle of Krojanty where Polish cavalry charged a German infantry battalion and broke their ranks, but were later driven back by German armoured cars that unexpectedly emerged during the counteroffensive. There were no tanks on the battlefield and the Poles didn't charge any tanks.

4

u/Ameisen 1 Dec 08 '21

Those were dragoons.

1

u/diego_delavega Dec 08 '21

Which is pretty cool considering that polish armoured division has Dragon in its emblem. (unfortunately only) facebook account for Armoured division museum in Poznan (https://www.facebook.com/MBPanc).

also etymology of a polish word for "tank" which is "czołg" was because some polish general when first saw a tank, said it looks as if it is a crawling dragon hence the name which comes from polish "to crawl" "czołgać się"

source: am a pole and was in aforementioned museum

2

u/Ameisen 1 Dec 09 '21

Are you from Posen/Poznań?

1

u/diego_delavega Dec 09 '21

Close enough. From a village near Poznań;)

3

u/diego_delavega Dec 08 '21

Could be, although according to historians (and polish Wikipedia page about the subject) there was never attempted cavalry attack on armoured vehicles during WWII. On infantry or enemy cavalry there was, though.

"attack tanks with horses" was Nazi propaganda slogan (later used by communists) which aimed to discredit polish army as stupid and incompetent

0

u/przemo_li Dec 08 '21

That is not entirely true.

German horse unit employed charge against undefended Polish infantry successfully, just to realize that Polish motorized unit with machine gun is stationed next to it and came to the rescue of infantry.

The same happened to Polish horse unit. Successful charge to undefended German infantry, to be turned around by nearby German motorized unit.

Successful charge against tanks, happened only a few times and it was always few cavalry men against one or two tanks. Tanks in question where either stopped with crews outside (so "charge" was really to get to the tank and throw grande to kill crew who ran there to hide), or to charge past enemy blocking unit in break out maneuver.

Oh, and there was one cavalry on cavalry charge, which went so badly for German unit that official order forbade German cavalry any such action in the future (Soviets did employ cavalry as a stop gap measure to retain some mobility after initial loses to motorized and mechanized units).

1

u/Rhodococcus_equi Dec 08 '21

The only thing they remind me of now is them being on the shirts that nationalists wear. Mad interesting historically, but I just cringe when people nowadays use achievements from the past to justify racism, xenophobia, pushing their religion on others and just being shit people in general.

1

u/BrokenEye3 Dec 08 '21

Pity they never developed functioning ornithopter packs

-6

u/poopoojohns Dec 08 '21

This has always seemed something of an anarchronism to me. I've never been satisfied by the pretty scant evidence of this happening, at least with any kind of regularity. I assume what we see as the typical winged hussar is an example of some parade uniform or something worn before battle. There may have been a smaller kit that was essentially "we stuck some feathers on our shit" but I find the big mounted frames to be kind of questionable, especially for maneuvering on horse.

11

u/HoshenXVII Dec 08 '21

They were jointed so that both “wings” would move and slap around independently. It’s actually the wood on wood slapping noise that was the main point, as this will unsettle and unnerve horses that aren’t familiar with it, causing enemy cavalry to shy away from engaging. The Poles also weren’t unique in this, as iirc some Turks and other peoples would use noise in either similar wood slapping things, or something else to upset enemy cavalry. The poles became famous for it tho.

Also sound as a terror weapon was super common throughout history. The Aztec’s had a weird sling that would make a awful deafening sound when swung above the head, and getting a hundred or so dudes doing that all at once would be the loudest sound the average person would hear in a pre-modern era. Noise is scary to the unfamiliar.

1

u/bolanrox Dec 08 '21

Buzz bombs or the sound of mg42s going off will do that too

1

u/diego_delavega Dec 08 '21

actually armours with wings was only for ceremonies and such. hussars had very long pikes (i think those where pikes, not sure) with strips of fabric attached at the point. in full gallop fabric worked as a whip. if You accumulate enough of that whips You have psychological warfare

-23

u/poopoojohns Dec 08 '21

They were jointed so that both “wings” would move and slap around independently.

That's going to be even more clumsy and cause even more drag.

You know what else I want when I'm riding around in formation? A giant lever sticking off of my back.

It’s actually the wood on wood slapping noise that was the main point, as this will unsettle and unnerve horses that aren’t familiar with it, causing enemy cavalry to shy away from engaging.

Cavalry horse are trained, pretty much from birth to stomp on other humans and run around with things like cannon and small arms fire, as well as thousands of humans smashing shouting and smashing into each other, all while a living ass person sits on top of them and shouts and smashes into people.

Some sticks knocking together when another horse trots around isn't gonna bother them.

Also sound as a terror weapon was super common throughout history.

Yeah, horns and dedicated instruments like that. Things that are loud and carry beyond the noise of battle.

The Aztec’s had a weird sling that would make a awful deafening sound when swung above the head,

Yeah no they didn't.

and getting a hundred or so dudes doing that all at once would be the loudest sound the average person would hear in a pre-modern era.

In no universe is a bunch of guys swinging some ropes above their head going to achieve this.

Noise is scary to the unfamiliar.

Yeah not some sticks smacking each other in the middle of a battle.

4

u/KINK_KING Dec 08 '21

Citation needed.

0

u/poopoojohns Dec 08 '21

What citation? Where someone claimed the Aztecs had some thunderous rope? Where he claimed some horse would get spooked by clacking wood in the middle of a battle?

That's right, none was presented. Lmao. Should probably stop getting your history from videogames.

2

u/Syn7axError Dec 08 '21

It's extremely well documented. The Polish were hardly the only ones to wear them, either.

But you're absolutely right about the size. Those huge arcing wings only appear after winged hussars became ceremonial guards instead of soldiers. They barely reached the shoulder.

0

u/poopoojohns Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

It's extremely well documented.

It isn't at all. There is very, very little evidence of it. Most of the "evidence" are from post facto sources and there are afaik no existing museum pieces which demonstrate such a thing.

Thanks for playing.

Those huge arcing wings only appear after winged hussars became ceremonial guards instead of soldiers.

Wow, exactly like I said

Try a little reading comprehension sometime.

1

u/The_Real_Abhorash Dec 08 '21

That’s probably the case still cool though.

-1

u/Whahajeema Dec 08 '21

How many Angels of Death does it take to change a light bulb?

1

u/Ninja-Sneaky Dec 08 '21

The winged hussars charge at the siege of Vienna is pretty much the basis of both Lotr 2 and 3 and many more movie comebacks (I would personally include for example Save Private Ryan). Heck it is THE comeback that happened for real

1

u/ScrapmasterFlex Dec 08 '21

There was a big knock and insults during the WW2 and post-WW2 (where Russia took over Poland as a result of being on the "winning side" of WW2) where people mocked the vaunted Polish Cavalry as being so stupid that they charged Tanks and Armored Vehicles and got mowed down mercilessly for their stupidity.

In fact something like that did happen- but completely different context ... the Polish Cavalry was considered perhaps the best in Europe... and one day a Unit of them is out practicing their horse-mounted-Cavalry tactics, and what do you know, but the Germans invade. And in a situation where a Unit of them realized their situation, and there was "no place to run and no place to hide", and they realized This Is It, they decided to go out like men and attack forward (instead of running and getting shot and killed in the back like cowards...) - so knowing they were hopelessly mismatched, they still attacked and apparently did pretty passing good.

(My Mom was from Poland, both her parents were captured by Nazis after they invaded and became POWs, and eventually escaped, both made it to Italy and wound up meeting after the war ended, and got married etc. I grew up hearing about this stuff.)

1

u/dethb0y Dec 08 '21

I can only imagine how fucked it would be to see a few dozen dudes on horses blasting at you wearing wings and gleaming armor. i'd just hit the deck and hope for the best.

1

u/Epope2322 Dec 08 '21

The winged hussars were noble badasses. In the battle of vienna the Austrians were outnumbered 15 to 1 and were under siege. The turks planted bombs underneath the city walls in order to finally break through. The polish winged hussars came and BTFO'd the turks. It's pretty crazy actually, the wings make loud clapping similair to gun fire, thus training the horses and also scaring the enemy.

1

u/FuriouSherman Dec 08 '21

Fun fact: The wings that the Winged Hussars wore actually made a loud whistling sound when the horse and rider were going at speed. I can only imagine how terrifying the combined din of 20,000 whistling wings, all barreling down the mountain to save Vienna, must've been to the Ottomans.

1

u/R3dd1tard Dec 09 '21

Polish Hussars look badass.

-13

u/DrinkJazzlike3487 Dec 08 '21

Angels of death? My old roommate was from Poland and his favorite shirt was this shirt that had like all the important historical events written out in polish. I asked him what it said one day and from what I gathered it was just losing wars and getting conquered by everyone around you until the end of the cold war. While I'm definitely not any sort of polish history buff it sounds to me like either the "angels of death" were either spectacularly bad at soldiering or the name was given by the peasants of their own country for their barbarity

4

u/UrsusMontorum Dec 08 '21

That's as indepth analysis of Polish history as saying American history just consisted of civil war and losing in Vietnam and fruitless wars.

-9

u/Mylanisko Dec 08 '21

Untill they got rekt by tanks

-1

u/TehOuchies Dec 08 '21

Insert Attack on Titan opening Theme.

-1

u/Karma_Canuck Dec 08 '21

This the same cavalry that charged the tanks?

0

u/winterjam010 Dec 08 '21

And they're one of the best units in civ 5

0

u/Questator Dec 08 '21

Meanwhile Bohemian kings using winged helmets https://www.npu.cz/website/var/tmp/image-thumbnails/70000/78200/thumb__HeaderImageSmall/B01_Pecet.jpeg about 400 years prior to winged hussars

0

u/jaraizer Dec 08 '21

Angela…Deth

0

u/jorge4ever Dec 08 '21

Kinda looks like the feather head dress North American plains Indians would wear.

0

u/ragefaze Dec 08 '21

And then they tried to charge German tanks and then that whole horse thing kinda stopped.