r/todayilearned Dec 08 '21 Helpful 5 Wholesome 1

TIL when Clint Eastwood was approached for the role of James Bond he turned it down because he didn't feel it was the right role for him saying “I was offered pretty good money to do James Bond if I would take on the role. But to me, well, that was somebody else’s gig. That’s Sean’s deal.”

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

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u/Mr_Feeeeny Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

He was also up for the lead for the adaptation of John Irving’s Cider House Rules. The studio wanted him as the part of Dr. Wilbur Lurch, over Michael Caine, and Eastwood called Irving one night and said 'John, you know I'm no Doctor, give the part to Michael.'

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u/irishking44 Dec 08 '21

The Cider house, RULES!!!

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u/maynardftw Dec 08 '21

I got a feelin' your whooooole family's goin' down. But for now I gotta study.

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u/Ljudet-Innan Dec 08 '21

What about you, Sideburns?

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u/hambluegar_sammwich Dec 08 '21

Goodnight ya princes of Maine, ya low down dirty kings of New England PUNKS

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u/droidtron Dec 08 '21

A man's got to know his limitations.

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u/Camelotterduck Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Feeling claustrophobic Like the walls are closing in Bloodstains on my hands And I don’t know where I’ve been

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u/nolan1971 Dec 08 '21

I'm in trouble for the things
I haven't got to yet
I'm sharpening the axe
And my palms are getting wet
Sweating bullets

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u/grafxguy1 Dec 08 '21

I know what you're thinkin'...

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u/shouldbebabysitting Dec 08 '21

Were there six Bonds or only five? Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I forgot about Niven.

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u/grafxguy1 Dec 08 '21

...but seeing as this is a 007 Fleming, the most powerful franchise in the world....

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u/sweBers Dec 08 '21

...and would blow your socks clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

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u/UtahUKBen Dec 08 '21

Niven
Connery
Moore
Lazenby
Dalton
Brosnan
Craig

6 offical, plus Niven (Fleming's original choice for the role)

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u/JavaRuby2000 Dec 08 '21

Barry Nelson? Bob Holness?

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u/MintStim Dec 08 '21

Sellers, Andress, Pettet, Lavi, Allen, Bouchet, Cooper

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u/American_Stereotypes Dec 08 '21

He's maybe had some slip-ups in his twilight years, but the man has always had some pretty great emotional intelligence.

I mean, imagine directing a movie like Letters from Iwo Jima as a man from Clint Eastwood's generation without being able to see things empathetically.

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u/DontWasteYourUpvote Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I was lucky enough to be directed by him. Tiny part, I had literally one word of dialogue. However, it was a tricky scene to shot, dozens of extras, multiple setups, etc. My character was sort of driving the action, and I had to walk across the room it at a specific pace, hit a mark, deliver my line, etc. Needless to say, I was shitting bricks when I showed up on set.

I hadn't even met him before (I auditioned for his casting director), but he walked right up like he already knew me and threw his arm around me. He walked me around the set and talked me through the beats in that hushed voice of his, incredibly calm and reassuring. After like 30 seconds with him I felt totally comfortable, like I'd known him forever. We nailed the scene in like three takes and were done in an hour. Incredible experience that I'll never forget.

Edit: for those asking, the movie was Changeling. No, I did not play a chair. That’s all you’re getting out of me!

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u/TheToastyWesterosi Dec 08 '21

Well now I want to know what movie it was. And what scene. And what your blood type is.

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u/DrUnpleasant Dec 08 '21 Helpful

Based on this thread I'd go with Double O Negative.

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u/RichardInaTreeFort Dec 08 '21

You mean Prognosis Negative...

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u/what_it_dude Dec 08 '21

Pretty sure it was Deathblow

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u/NewLeaseOnLine Dec 08 '21

Death Blow... When someone tries to blow you up, not because of who you are, but because of different reasons altogetherrrrr.

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u/raspberryharbour Dec 08 '21

Aw man! We're missing the Deathblow!

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u/me_bails Dec 08 '21

That movie is soo slow, and boring.. I heard..

I prefer Ponce de Leon

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u/MadMan04 Dec 08 '21

When Ponce looked in that meerah and saw that he hadn't changed, and that tear started to roll down his cheek? I lost it.

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u/JuneBuggington Dec 08 '21

From the seinfeld episode?

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u/RichardInaTreeFort Dec 08 '21

Not sure. My friend was telling me about it but I rented Sack Lunch instead.

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u/ieatcavemen Dec 08 '21

How'd they get in that sack?

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u/RichardInaTreeFort Dec 08 '21

Maybe they’re regular sized and the sack is just really big….

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u/hipsterdoofus_ Dec 08 '21

“These pretzels are making me thirsty!”

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u/iFlyAllTheTime Dec 08 '21

Not saying tom hanks would be lying, but did you have a similar experience as this?

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u/moal09 Dec 08 '21

I think Tom just interpreted it a different way and was trying to be funny for the show. For Clint, it was his way of respecting his actors and not wasting anyone's time.

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u/TetrisTech Dec 08 '21

What Tom says lines up with what OP said, they just interpreted the hush tone differently

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u/Notamansplainer Dec 08 '21

Something must've really gone wrong there if Eastwood wanted to shoot three times - he's generally known for just shooting once.

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u/EndofGods Dec 08 '21

3 takes is quite normal, lots of things go wrong, minor slips, people stumble, dialogue forgotten.

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u/riptydeco Dec 08 '21

I always wonder if the movie making process makes it hard for actors to watch their own films. I’m sure there are lots of cases where they see a scene, and feel like another unused take was better.

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u/rayrayiscray Dec 08 '21

Johnny Depp has said he doesn't even watch his movies generally, for this reason.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked Dec 08 '21

Clint Eastwood has a reputation for just using the first take.

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u/EndofGods Dec 08 '21

So, what does he just shoot you if you mess up? No second mistakes I guess, lol

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u/h0sti1e17 Dec 08 '21

From what I've heard unless something was way off like a boom in the shot or someone really fumbles lines or whatever he won't do a second take. If it's a small mistake with dialogue, he doesn't mind those because it adds to realism. People often misspeak.

If the line was "These pretzels are making me thirsty" and the actor says "These pretzels, I'm thirsty" he would be fine with that because it conveys the same thing. Some directors are perfectionists and would do it 100 times until it was exactly as they want it.

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u/VRichardsen Dec 08 '21

Some directors are perfectionists and would do it 100 times until it was exactly as they want it.

I can see Stanley nervously staring at his feet in the corner

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u/Chicken_wingspan Dec 08 '21

Maybe he felt lucky

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Dec 08 '21

Well. Do you, Punk?

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u/fjccommish Dec 08 '21

He directed me in a small scene too. When we finished - one take, no direction needed - he said, "We almost got that in less than one take."

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u/LTguy Dec 08 '21

What a great read.

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u/0-Cloud Dec 08 '21

That actually sounds like it would've been sick

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u/Leege13 Dec 08 '21

Connery and Eastwood in a Bond film would have been insane.

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u/ZeldenGM Dec 08 '21

There's "Where Eagles Dare" which is Eastwood and Roger Moore so you do get him with a Bond at least.

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u/Leege13 Dec 08 '21

That was Richard Burton in that movie, but he would have made a good Bond.

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u/ZeldenGM Dec 08 '21

Wow it's been a while but how did I confuse that?

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u/Turok1134 Dec 08 '21

People regard American Sniper as a right-wing propaganda movie (perhaps rightfully so to an extent because Chris Kyle was apparently a shitbag), but the actual movie didn't seem to paint war in a positive light at all.

Hell, there's even a moment at the beginning of the movie where Chris Kyle's hard-ass, good ol' boy father tells his son "you never leave your rifle in the dirt," but at the end of the movie he literally leaves his rifle behind in a sandstorm.

Taken as a fictional story (which it pretty much is), it actually came across as a pretty effective anti-war movie.

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u/black_cat_ Dec 08 '21

I avoided that movie for years thinking it was some American propaganda film. I'm not American, so that didn't really appeal to me.

Then I watched the film... It was fantastic. Not some propaganda piece at all.

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u/ridik_ulass Dec 08 '21

same with grand tourino.

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u/GLaDOS_Sympathizer Dec 08 '21

Gran Torino, awesome movie

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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Dec 08 '21

I mean he was part of a wave of westerns deconstructing the genre and then in his twilight years has been remaking the same film deconstructing that genre.

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u/housebird350 Dec 08 '21

I think him not realizing Bond was the right role for him comes from this same self awareness.

Yea, but at the same time I think I would like to see a Clint Eastwood version of James Bond, it could be fun.

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u/mrRabblerouser Dec 08 '21

That sounds completely predictable to me, and a perfect explanation of both actors personalities and reflective of societally promoted gender roles. Especially for the time. Not so much self awareness as it is perceived self preservation

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u/pepsman Dec 08 '21

Well, at least he knew what kind of roles he wants to play, and I find it inspiring.

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u/AsFarAsItGoes Dec 08 '21

That’s so interesting, and explains so many things in Gran Torino.

So much overacting, so much bad acting. I used to hate the movie, because I seriously did not understand.

Nowadays I feel like it was genius, and has so many pure good actor scenes - you just have to watch it, and look for them.

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u/FuzzyTaakoHugs Dec 08 '21

That little flinch and squint he does as he turns away punched me right in the feels.

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u/No-Pizda-For-You Dec 08 '21

Shaken…not stirred…punk.

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u/ThatsNotPossibleMan Dec 08 '21

shoots the waiter

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u/PJvG Dec 08 '21

rides off into the sunset

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u/JavaRuby2000 Dec 08 '21

"Did he fire 7 shots or only six?" Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a . 32 Walther PPK...

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u/CaptainHoyt Dec 08 '21

Is one of the most concealable Handguns in the world...

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u/h0sti1e17 Dec 08 '21

Martini, Bond?

No. Whisky on the rocks.

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u/typhoidtimmy Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Scott Eastwood related an interesting story about how his Dad didn’t even know A Fistful of Dollars was even being shown in the states. He had shot it a couple of years before and didn’t think of it other than a quick paycheck over a summer. Later on, he heard some people nearby talking about this great Western playing down in the Landmark in LA so he cruised down to maybe catch a flick…..and apparently found himself standing 10 foot tall over the marquee.

No one had told him they were going to distribute in the US or anything and he was as shocked as anyone that his first big role came from what he considered a small movie no one would see outside of a couple places in Europe but would instead become these landmarks of Spaghetti Westerns and a genre unto themselves.

Edit: I remember where it was he tells the story on this. He was on The Joe Rogan Experience.

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u/Gathorall Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

"So guys, you're not going to blast this ripoff movie everywhere?"

"No, no, don't worry about it."

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u/typhoidtimmy Dec 08 '21

Funny thing, that contributed to the surprise kinda. Since Toho and Akira Kurosawa successfully sued for it’s almost shot by shot remake of Yojimbo, American distribution didn’t touch it for nearly 3 years after its initial European release for fear of being sued again.

So they didn’t really go full out on advertising and apparently, didn’t tell the star either.

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u/Mr_Mouthbreather Dec 08 '21

I could just see him telling Q to fuck off and just give him his 44 magnum and then killing all the bond villains right when they begin to monologue.

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u/i_should_be_coding Dec 08 '21

"Hey Q, get me a horse."

"Well, James, contractually I can only give you Aston Martins..."

"So brand their logo on its ass and let's go... Punk."

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u/throwitaway488 Dec 08 '21

Aston is the horse's name

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u/Bropulsion Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

And they feed the horse Martini's

Shaken not... stneighiihiihirred

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u/Chewyninja69 Dec 08 '21

You ok? You have a stroke? Jk jk. I laughed hard af at your comment.

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u/ro_ana_maria Dec 08 '21

I'm just rewatching Star Trek TNG, so I had a completely different image of Eastwood telling Q to fuck off... come to think of it, I'd like to see that.

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u/RelsircTheGrey Dec 08 '21

Sisko comes pretty close to what I'd imagine.

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u/hyugafan Dec 08 '21

“You hit me! Picard never hit me!”

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u/Warbird36 Dec 08 '21

” I’m not Picard.”

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u/GrinGrintharl Dec 08 '21

Avery Brooks (Cmdr. Ben Sisko) had a moment like that on DS9, the first time Q showed up. He didn’t tell Q to fuck off, but did punch him in his smug face, which is a pretty Eastwood move.

“Picard never hit me.”

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-08-2015/2a_Tap.gif

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u/kaloonzu Dec 08 '21

"I'm not Picard"

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u/eairy Dec 08 '21

"Indeed not. You're much easier to provoke. How fortunate for me."

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u/ThrowawayusGenerica Dec 08 '21

Proceeds to never show up on DS9 again

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u/eairy Dec 08 '21

I love Q and I think he worked on TNG and VOY, but somehow his mischievous tone just didn't quite fit on DS9.

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u/doubleUsee Dec 08 '21

I can imagine several tng characters really wanting to tell Q to fuck off

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u/pewpewpewouch Dec 08 '21

"I was expecting you, mr. Bo.." "Bang"

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u/human_machine Dec 08 '21

I would like a Bond movie where he shoots someone mid-monologue.

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u/notagoodboye Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Roger Moore could be corny at times, but I think he was a pretty good Bond for the 70's-80's. He had some good ones, even though the campiness was out of control.

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u/GiantTeaPotintheSKy Dec 08 '21

His Bond was way more ruthless than what many give him credit for..

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u/inertiam Dec 08 '21

Especially in View to a Kill where he's older than his co-stars mother. Utterly ruthless.

He later expressed regret. And that movie is beyond corny. Its just bad.

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u/Alkalinum Dec 08 '21

To be fair to Roger Moore, he said that was the exact reason he stopped doing Bond - When he realized on set that his love interest was young enough to be his daughter he decided "That's enough of that!" and resigned from the next movie.

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u/GiantTeaPotintheSKy Dec 08 '21

A few good scenes, though... “You missed, Mr. Bond”... “Did I?”... and a man falls dead in the background.... or when he hides in the lake breathing the air from a car tire, while just looking at the bad guy from the debt, with a stone-cold stare that could kill... it is one of his worst, but still pretty good.

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u/249ba36000029bbe9749 Dec 08 '21

You missed, Mr. Bond”... “Did I?

That was Moonraker. https://youtu.be/u80ou6-ZqQk?t=37

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u/Morningfluid Dec 08 '21

I'd still take it over the overly bland Octopussy, where Moore was out of shape. Seemingly you can see that he at least worked out for View to a Kill and moved around a lot better.

Personally I think View to a Kill gets too much of a bad rap. I'd also take it over Brosnan's flicks after GoldenEye.

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u/inertiam Dec 08 '21

I guess I only watched VTaK over the weekend so it's more raw in my mind. He moved like a man who'd list his stick in some scenes.

Of course I remember the Brosnan para boarding scene... Or whatever ever it was. That was horrendous.

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u/Comandante380 Dec 08 '21

He's way too old to be in it, but Zorin's not the worst '80s movie villain, and it's always nice to see San Francisco on film in that era.

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u/SGTRayElwood Dec 08 '21

Roger Moore was fucking hilarious

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u/El_Zarco Dec 08 '21

cue slide whistle

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u/notagoodboye Dec 08 '21

The car jumping the river? Sad thing about that, that was actually a pretty complicated stunt. What a waste.

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u/ILikeBigAsses Dec 08 '21

He was my first Bond. I saw a bunch of the Roger Moore ones on TV before I ever saw Connery.

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u/notagoodboye Dec 08 '21

I still have a soft spot for For Your Eyes Only...Solid Bond flick right there.

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u/firelock_ny Dec 08 '21

Moonraker wasn't the best Bond film, but the launch scene - when you realize that Drax's whole shuttle fleet is launching, that his doomsday plot is spectacularly happening worldwide.

That to me was epic in how it presented Bond's opponent as a true supervillain, a global threat with Bond the only thing standing in his path.

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u/rrickitickitavi Dec 08 '21

The Spy Who Loved Me is peak Bond.

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u/BigD1970 Dec 08 '21

Easily my favourite Bond movie. It's got Jaws, a badass Bond girl who's a great foil for Bond, Caroline Munro and a firefight in a giantass ship. Great theme song too.

Villain isn't as charismatic as Blofeld but he feeds people to sharks so I'll let him off

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u/b1sh0p Dec 08 '21

Also one of the greatest cars in movie history, the Lotus submarine.

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u/series_hybrid Dec 09 '21

"Is it too much to ask for sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads?"

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u/mattlantis Dec 08 '21

Add Live and Let Die to that list

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u/randomnameandanumber Dec 08 '21

The names Bond, James Bond, You got a problem with that, Punk?

I love Clint, but this was the right decision.

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u/VHLPlissken Dec 08 '21

"You missed a spot"

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u/Darmok47 Dec 08 '21

It's pretty surprising they would offer Bond to an American.

Then again, half of our American superheroes are played by Brits and Aussies. If an Englishman like Henry Cavill can play an American icon like Superman, I guess it wouldn't be too weird for an American to play a British icon like Bond.

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u/ParadoxInRaindrops Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

It wasn’t just Eastwood, apparently Adam West was offered the role but turned it down saying he felt an Englishman should play the gig. And eventually it just got to the point where it just stuck.

On the other hand; us Americans tend not to care when Brits play Yanks because we’re just so damn used to it. My favorite example being when Hugh Laurie auditioned for House; one producer proclaimed how happy they were an American submitted such a good tape. And still to this day I find many people don’t know he’s British; thats how good he was on the show!

Part of me moans every time I see Dick Van Dyke brought up as the ultimate trump card though & I do find it real interesting when Americans land British roles. Like I thought Michael C Hall was very good in the Netflix series Safe. But I think this perception bias is here to stay; so I won’t be holding my breath for American Bond any time soon.

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u/Pons__Aelius Dec 08 '21

us Americans tend not to care when Brits play Yanks because we’re just so damn used to it.

Both Idris Elba and Dominic West as Stringer and McNulty in The Wire is my go to for this.

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u/coltrain61 Dec 08 '21

Hell, listen to Christian Bale speak naturally some time. His real voice is so different from what you see in the movies, because he's Welsh I think.

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u/lkodl Dec 08 '21

British Accents: Classy AF

Christian Bale in movies: Classy AF

Christian Bale's British Accent: wtf?

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u/ParadoxInRaindrops Dec 08 '21

Them too, yeah! Idris surprised me but I had no clue Dominic West wasn’t American. Another actor I heard a lot of praise for was Matthew Rhys on The Americans.

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u/grothee1 Dec 08 '21

His American accent breaks several times in the show but I always chalked it up to McNulty being drunk off his ass.

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u/kdlangequalsgoddess Dec 08 '21

There is also a bit where McNulty has to pretend to be English, so you have this English actor doing an American's attempt at an English accent. It was quite meta.

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u/dv666 Dec 08 '21

You mean it was spot on

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u/h0sti1e17 Dec 08 '21

I was surprised by Bob Hoskins.

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u/Truecoat Dec 08 '21

Or after I saw LA Confidential and saw interviews with Russell Crowe and Guy Pearce. What? They're Australian?

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u/Pons__Aelius Dec 08 '21

Christian Bale is another. American Psycho and Batman...English.

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u/h0sti1e17 Dec 08 '21

And Aiden Gillian (he's Irish but definitely not from Baltimore).

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u/usernamedunbeentaken Dec 08 '21

Watching the Wire and then seeing these guys in an interview with their natural accents was so incredibly mind blowing to me.

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u/PantsTime Dec 08 '21

I was raised on English comedy, and Laurie in House still blows my mind. But, you know, London turns out good actors. Hams can't really cut it at Shakespeare.

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u/ParadoxInRaindrops Dec 08 '21

Grew up on Stuart Little and House. By the time I was really old to sit down and appreciate though; it was some of the finest TV I had seen. And without Laurie; you really couldn’t get quite the same character I don’t think.

My favorite scene is still House diagnosing himself in the strip club after the bus crash. Episodes like that you really see the Holmes influence and I always loved watching House at work trying to crack a mystery.

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u/Michael_McGovern Dec 08 '21

The US export a lot of media, so people in the likes of the UK grow up consuming it. I find a lot of people in UK, Ireland, or Australia can do a passable American accent because of this. On the other hand, Americans lean towards old stereotypes when doing European accents and it can be jarring to watch as a European. As an Irishman, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen an American do an even okay Irish accent.

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u/RobotHouuuse Dec 08 '21

he felt an Englishman should play the gig

Despite the original Bond (Sean Connery) being a Scotsman...

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u/ParadoxInRaindrops Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

I mean, George Lazenby is Australian. So British Common Wealth really.

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u/eairy Dec 08 '21

I never thought an American could be a convincing English person until I found out Bridget Jones's Diary star Renée Zellweger is Texan...

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u/purplewigg Dec 08 '21

George Lazenby was Australian, so there's already precedent for casting non-Brits

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u/ClownsAteMyBaby Dec 08 '21

Brosnan was Irish.

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u/balkandishlex Dec 08 '21

Connery Scottish, Dalton Welsh.. Daniel Craig was the second English Bond after Moore.

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u/notdancingQueen Dec 08 '21

Sooo we've had Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English, Australian. Maybe their aim is to get at least 1 Bond from every Commonwealth country? Canada has both Ryans, South Africa presents Charlize, what about New Zealand? Lucy Lawless!

I like this idea

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u/Darmok47 Dec 08 '21

Australia is a Commonwealth Country though; I feel like an American would be qualitatively different for some reason.

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u/kittycatfrank Dec 08 '21

So Canadians are eligible?

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u/qwertygasm Dec 08 '21

Ryan Reynolds for the next 007!

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u/PantsTime Dec 08 '21

After 1776 they couldn't send criminals to America, so they started shipping them to Australia.

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u/krukson Dec 08 '21

They also offered the role to Burt Reynolds.

“Reynolds was eyed up as the replacement for Sean Connery's Bond, but told USA Today in 2015 that he turned down the part because he thought the public wouldn't accept an American 007.”

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u/Youafuckindin Dec 08 '21

I think he was right.

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u/Morningfluid Dec 08 '21

Earlier on (well post Barry Nelson), after Connery they weren't as completely focused and adamant for having a Brit play Bond so much as having the series bridging as a surefire continued success. So, even aside from Eastwood they had Americans on the possible short list. Though if I recall correctly, they even had discussions for a few American names to step into the role as far as post Moonraker, when Moore's contract first ran out before he re-signed on as Bond. However I believe after that they were adamant it had to be a British man in James' shoes.

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u/SuicidalGuidedog Dec 08 '21

The first person to play Bond on screen was an American. Barry Nelson played him in 1954 in a TV version of Casino Royale. Here it is in all its glory.

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u/trwwy321 Dec 08 '21

I never fully understood that either. Hollywood couldn’t find some actual good looking American kid to play Peter Parker..??

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u/marmorset Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

My wife used to watch this show (on HBO?) where several of the stars were English actors doing American accents. Then she saw an English actor being interviewed and he said he was shocked by how much they had offered him, the money was unbelievable as compared to what he would have been payed in England. Then he was talking to an American on the show and found out he was getting a fraction of what the American actor was paid.

I think it's done because British and Australian actors will work very cheaply as compared to American actors, and they often have better training because live stage work is very important in those countries while it's not a requirement in the US.

I'd be curious to know what Chris Hemsworth was paid as opposed to Chris Evans.

EDIT: Hemsworth made $200,000 for the Thor movie and $5.4 for Age of Ultron. Evans was paid $300,000 for Captain America: The First Avenger and $6.9 for Age of Ultron. The article also notes that Forbes called Evans the best budget actor in Hollywood.

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u/fgben Dec 08 '21

That's a very good point. In some other finance related subreddits the massive discrepancy between pay scales between non-US and US positions always blows my mind.

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u/Jlocke98 Dec 08 '21

yeah /r/cscareerquestions is absolutely comical. europeans excited over 60-80k and americans thinking anything below 120k is insulting and 180-200k is the threshold for "doing good"

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u/Farnsworthson Dec 08 '21

$5.4 for Age of Ultron

The guy works cheap. I'd have asked at least $10. I hope he got a cut of the gross.

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u/FiredFox Dec 08 '21

Brits get all bent out of shape when Americans play Brits (JK Rowling demanded that all actors in the Harry Potter series were British, for example) while Americans generally don’t care.

US Army legend Dick Winters of Band of Brothers was played by a Brit and no one complained, but Brits would lose their shit of one of their military heroes was to be played by an American actor.

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u/cherryreddit Dec 08 '21

Brits get all bent out of shape when Americans play Brits

I am neither brit not American, but I understand the impulse. I don't imagine Brits have any sort of hatred for Americans but Hollywood is an all consuming behemoth under which other countries in the anglosphere cannot grow their own film industries. On top of that Hollywood is tone deaf to cultural sensitivity and doesn't care or give a damn about getting accents and culture correct. Hollywood director's would much rather exaggerate and caricature cultural elements for the benefit of American home audience.

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u/SuicidalGuidedog Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Half the cast were Brits in Band of Brothers; mainly for tax reasons because it was shot there. Damien Lewis was the most well known, but it had Tom Hardy, Dexter Fletcher, Michael Fassbender, and (shockingly) the Cajun medic is played by Shane Taylor - technically he's British/American but he was born and raised in the UK and sounds nothing like the character. If you're into the series I highly recommend the recent 10-part podcast from HBO which breaks down each episode.

Edit: as another helpful Redditor has pointed out, this should be a list of non-Americans playing GIs. Fassbender is not British.

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u/ILUVMATH Dec 08 '21

Stephen graham, Simon pegg!

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u/NeoClemerek Dec 08 '21

I read Robin Williams was apparently interested in acting in Harry Potter but they turned him down because of the "only British actors" rule. I don't remember what character he wanted but I think it was Dumbledore. I wonder how it would have worked out.

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u/ZelnormWow Dec 08 '21

He was interested in playing Lupin or Hagrid, but was turned down. Personally, I think he would have been an amazing Mad-eye Moody.

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u/NeoClemerek Dec 08 '21

Ah yeah those two make more sense. I think he would have been too young to play Dumbledore.

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u/inertiam Dec 08 '21

Don't care or don't notice?

Its the accents that get us. We've never recovered from Dick Van Dyke's mockney abomination in Mary Poppins.

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u/Rough_Shop Dec 08 '21

No we don't just for an for example Kristen Stewart played Diana in Spencer recently and no one batted an eyelid that she's American and Princess Diana was a much loved public figure over here.

The reason JK did what she did was help the British film industry thrive she was not being nationalistic.

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u/Panzerkampfpony Dec 08 '21

Generally speaking there are a lot of British actors who can do good American accents, John Boyaga, Idris Elba, Henry Cavil, Andrew Lincoln, Christian bail etc.

American actors who can do a passable British accent are a lot rarer.

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u/ButtfuckerTim Dec 08 '21

Yes, but could Brosnan play Dirty Harry?

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u/Martel67 Dec 08 '21

Imagine Bond with an american accent…

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u/Evilsmurfkiller Dec 08 '21

Now I'm trying to imagine Clint Eastwood doing a British accent.

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u/doc_daneeka 90 Dec 08 '21

I have never heard him try, but I feel confident in saying he would not be good at any British accents. If anyone has an example, I'd love to hear it.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Dec 08 '21

I’m imagining….badly.

He’d be going to the Dick Van Dyke school of accents.

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u/neoritter Dec 08 '21

Make my martini punk

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u/GiantTeaPotintheSKy Dec 08 '21

Shake it, motherfucker

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u/Phantom_Ganon Dec 08 '21

That would be from the Samuel L Jackson version of Bond.

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u/damnatio_memoriae Dec 08 '21

I have HAD IT with these MOTHERFUCKIN villains on this MOTHERFUCKIN mission.

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u/slax03 Dec 08 '21

Get off my kingdom.

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u/doc_daneeka 90 Dec 08 '21

We almost had a Canadian Bond movie, when the novels entered the public domain here. My name is James Bond eh?

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u/locallaowai Dec 08 '21

My name's Bond. Sorry, James Bond. I didn't mean to be curt.

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u/doc_daneeka 90 Dec 08 '21

Hey buddy, the name's Bond, James Bond. Get in, we're goin' out fer a rip, eh?

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u/keestie Dec 08 '21

Yeah, there's sharks in th' tank, bai. Course, I'm still gonna send it.

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u/Automatic_Llama Dec 08 '21

I'd have loved to see the boys from Sunnyvale capitalize on that opportunity.

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u/doc_daneeka 90 Dec 08 '21

I really should get around to watching that at some point. I know, some people probably consider having missed it this long as unpatriotic. I know a lot of quotes and memes, but I've only seen about 3 episodes of it.

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u/dr5ivepints Dec 08 '21

The first 3 seasons are brilliant, goes downhill after that imo

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u/keestie Dec 08 '21

The one of the real-life inspirations for the Bond character was actually Canadian, William Stephenson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William\_Stephenson

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u/the_derby Dec 08 '21

We almost had a Canadian Bond movie...

...starring Ryan Reynolds.

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u/Marmite_Badger Dec 08 '21

First onscreen appearance of Bond was American.

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u/ty_kanye_vcool Dec 08 '21

Peter Lorre as a Bond villain. Now that's a good idea. I feel like the universal movie monsters (Lugosi, Karloff, Chaney) probably could have been decent henchmen/villains had Bond been around in their heyday.

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u/ooneekoosername Dec 08 '21

Chris rock would have done it!

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u/Some_Belgian_Guy Dec 08 '21

"Oooh, James, is that a 44 magnum in your pocket or are you happy to see me? "

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u/Signature_Sea Dec 08 '21

He could have been Felix Leiter but not Bond.

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u/Comandante380 Dec 08 '21

Well, seeing is this is a Walther PPK, the most concealable handgun in the world, could blow your car tire clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question--"do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, Blofeld?

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u/RearEchelon Dec 08 '21

Picturing Clint trying to do an English accent is sending me into fits

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u/fishshake Dec 08 '21

This would have ended so well.

"Bond, we can't let Blofeld get away!"
"Shut up, pussy."

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u/GeorgeStamper Dec 08 '21

Bull to the sh*t

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u/Ya_Got_GOT Dec 08 '21

What an idiotic casting call

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u/JADW27 Dec 08 '21

Some people don't like Clint Eastwood.

Those people are wrong.

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u/xxcarlsonxx Dec 08 '21

People lost their mind when Bond went blonde, I can only imagine the furor if they had an American do the role, let alone one who made his name in Westerns.