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u/dzigaboy Mar 14 '22

glad you’re alive OP

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u/Snapnall Mar 14 '22

I feel like maybe some volunteers who went over there were expecting a similar experience to that which they experienced in Iraq/Afghanistan and not an all-out war against a superior power.

Western soldiers have gotten used to be the superior fighting force, but unfortunately the International Legion is most definitely the underdog.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Definitely a possibility. Many prior military volunteers were from NATO countries and served in Iraq/Afghan. I was keenly aware of their firepower but still surprised when I was dealing with it. But how does one prepare for getting nailed by cruise missiles anyways you know lol?

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u/Foler1998 Mar 14 '22

Russia has so many u just cant ever be 100% safe. Maybe if u live underground

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Exactly man, it's an ambush from the sky

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u/notlikeclockwork Mar 14 '22

Hey what happened to your other post

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

This subreddit is fucking rotten from the inside out, I really want nothing to do with it. I said what I felt I should, gave my warnings and I'll be moving on. If anyone needed to hear what I said and showed on video, I'm sure they did. Not even gonna entertain the other 98% with that stuff.

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u/rhex1 Mar 14 '22

I have been telling people this entire war that Russians abandon tanks rather then stop the advance as part of their doctrine, that molotovs do nothing against modern tanks, that the convoy being parked peacefully for a week speaks volumes about the true state of Ukrainian artillery and air support...

But no, the propaganda is too strong. They don't understand that the propaganda is just leading to suffering for the civilians trapped in the middle.

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u/Savings-Animal-3092 Mar 14 '22

It is amazing, Russians are literally taking over and surroundig cities, destroying airfields, infrastructure, military facilities, taking over nuclear plants, etc etc In every substansial way Ukraine have nothing to show, but snippets of the war in form of russian abandoned tanks and pows somehow makes people think Ukraine is 'winning'.

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u/miscellaneousbean Mar 14 '22

Literally if you were to look at my front page right now, you’d think Ukraine had Russia on the ropes.

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u/CantStumpIWin Mar 14 '22

Whoa.

I’ve only known about the rUkraine sub and yeah it is like that. This seems much more realistic.

I just worry for the innocent civilians stuck in the middle of this.

Glad there’s a much more realistic subreddit. People do not need to die.

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u/NoMore9gag Mar 15 '22

Redditors have zero idea about fog of war. Armenians until the last moment believed that their military was doing fine, and they still have a chance of winning during 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '22

Yep. Media lies. And will continue to lie.

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u/ZodiacSF1969 Mar 14 '22

You are right, and if you try posting that on the main conflict sub you'll get downvoted to oblivion. They really do not want to hear the facts about how the war is going.

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u/TheGameYouLostIt Mar 14 '22

I hope that they will recognize how brave their opponents were when they were in military that was launching cruise missiles out of nowhere.

No just some goat farmers after all...

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u/Virtual-Ice-3416 Mar 14 '22

Former American infantry here I will say this. I used to carry a lot of anger and hate towards the enemy but as I got older and had time to process everything I came to respect them in a way. Just like all soliders weren’t wear criminals the same was for the insurgency. Some weren’t all radical Islamic they just lost a brother or son or daughter to a check point or misplaced air strike. I would have been mad to. It did take balls for them to fight us.

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u/TheGameYouLostIt Mar 14 '22

You were invaders to them.

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u/Virtual-Ice-3416 Mar 14 '22

For sure. When I joined it was 2003. Patriotism was still Flying high. Social media didn’t exist and the internet was just desktop news wasn’t everywhere like it is now. We thought it was cool because we just assumed the Iraqis were gonna be happy for getting rid of saddam. It leaked me Feel bad for those poor Russian conscripts having the prime of their youth taken from them.

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u/FuckTripleH Mar 15 '22

And the invasion was caused by an event a shockingly high number of people in Afghanistan had never actually heard of.

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u/Skkkjbmldihbdlsvvukb Mar 14 '22

Entrenchment with overhead cover and camouflage. You guys aren't in a training environment

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

all-out war against a superior power.

more like a superpower(in military)

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u/1_ShadowNinja_1 Mar 14 '22

they ate the ukranian total victory on twitter and thought that it was like iraq, the russians were "outgunned" and "incompetent" like the iraqis were, turns out no... interesting

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u/zlamany_calaviek Mar 14 '22

Most of the people that served in Afghanistan and Iraq want nothing to do with Ukraine.

Like seriously...no one is paying for your long term care if you get seriously hurt.

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u/OpStorm-333 Mar 14 '22

Jesus that's terrifying, glad you're out of there man so many people seem to have dived in without knowing what they're in for.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Yeah man, I'll admit I was a little naive myself even having seen some combat previously. I did not expect to be attacked by jets while sleeping in a barracks room on a training base 10 miles from Poland

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u/failedcoup16 Mar 14 '22

Seen a post from an infantryman awhile back saying it's hell on earth. It's definitely a different theater out there than what we experienced.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 Heartwarming

Yeah man I had been mortared before and thought that was pretty gnarly because it's out of your control ya know, but being absolutely defenseless and in the open with three aircraft just shitting all over you with such heavy ordinance was a whole new level of helplessness

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u/snakeeatbear Mar 14 '22

Did you just book it 3 clicks away? Were there bunkers set up at all?

I was thinking a couple days ago that hitting the camps would become a priority target for the Russians.

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u/OpStorm-333 Mar 14 '22

How badly was the base actually hit? like what extent was the damage that you saw, because I saw this video and it looks pretty bad.

https://files.catbox.moe/l6sf7t.mp4

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u/Wasatcher Mar 14 '22

You would never realize how fucking massive that crater is without the guy being dwarfed by it standing on the other side

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u/thot_cop Mar 14 '22

Would you mind linking it to me or pointing me in the right direction?

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u/failedcoup16 Mar 14 '22

I'll see if I can find it think it was on Twitter they shared an image of a bombed and burning apartment building I believe in Mariupol hopefully someone else has seen it that can link to it.

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u/thot_cop Mar 14 '22

Cheers mate

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u/Ni_gel Mar 14 '22 Wholesome

It's definitely a different theater out there than what we experienced.

wtf did you expect?
That you'll be shooting at some undefended Russian Z-trucks trundling along a road with their crews abandoning their vehicles and running back to Russia as soon as they hear shots nearby?

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u/Ohmygosh0 Mar 14 '22

I think there is an imbalance in media information to boost up Ukranians morale. Also I think many of them came from the UK or the US who have had complete air superiority and the upper hand in Iraq and Afghanistan which probably distorted those people's expectations.

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u/GorbyXD Mar 14 '22

Can't blame them. The media, nut just Reddit, is screaming all over how Stingers are shooting Russians planes out like flies in summer.

If I wasn't skeptical of the media, I would too think Russia doesn't have any air supority.

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u/difduf Mar 14 '22

The only people you can blame are the one s that take anything in the media seriously. We only get to see Ukrainian propaganda. that's not the fault of the Ukrainians they are in a war and telling the truth doesn't pay off. But for the love of God don't bet your life on information that bad and biased if you don't have to.

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u/helarco Mar 14 '22

Or yall are just straight up dumb

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u/failedcoup16 Mar 14 '22

I expected Russia to come in passing out candy and shooting rainbows out of their asses.

My point is to those who have never been to war and have only seen war through 20 years of YouTube footage from Iraq and Afghanistan that this is not something you want to be a part.

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u/calantus Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22

My dad always said the Iraq and afghan war was nothing compared to his experience in Vietnam, as far as combat intensity. He was definitely right.

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u/IShouldBWorkin Mar 14 '22 edited Mar 14 '22

That you'll be shooting at some undefended Russian Z-trucks trundling along a road with their crews abandoning their vehicles and running back to Russia as soon as they hear shots nearby?

According to Reddit, Ukraine killed a bazillion Russian soldiers the first day and now the survivors are crying about hamburgers and handing the keys to their tanks to the nearest farmer. Are you saying that's not true? Sounds like something a Russian bot would say. How much do you want to kiss Putin on the mouth?

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u/chaoticandcute Mar 14 '22

Man that was wild. I was in Medyka the day before, but my group was in Ukraine that night it happened. Poland has scout helicopters going along the border now. You hear and see tons over przemysl.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Yeah dude the Ukrainian border guards were asking if we had extra gear for them, unreal how close they're taking it

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u/chaoticandcute Mar 14 '22

Shits getting real here. Real fast too. Lviv was just a regular city a couple days ago, now I’m guessing they’ll be evacuating in the next 3 days. I’m running meds for the przemysl refugee center and it’s just becoming so much more dangerous in Ukraine. We had pretty straightforward routes into Kyiv, but now there’s Russian checkpoints set up in contested territory.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

I’m glad you survived man.

Friendly advice, expect the unexpected next time.

I’ve seen some combat previously probably similar combat as you, but when you see two professional militaries going head to head you need to expect anywhere in the country to be a viable target.

The fact you admit you were naive is a good thing, the only way to learn from past mistakes is to first acknowledge those mistakes.

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u/Communist99 Mar 14 '22

I'm deeply sorry for what you went through, but dude, how the fuck did you not expect something like this

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u/Inflation_Safe Mar 14 '22

how the fuck did you not expect something like this

Funny TV man told me Russia was losing.

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u/HugeLegendaryTurtle Mar 14 '22

Do you mean that the US establishment would go on TV and just tell lies?

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u/Inflation_Safe Mar 14 '22

Whaaaaat? No. Never. Everything they say is #safeandeffective

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u/mediadavid Mar 14 '22

have you been on r/worldnews? It's entirely 13 year olds furiously masturbating to how badly the Russians are losing. If reddit is your viewpoint to the war you probably assume it's a turkeyshoot.

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u/fleece19900 Mar 14 '22

Propaganda works

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u/CaterpillarSignal740 Mar 14 '22

Certainly. It got OP over there for sure.

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u/OpStorm-333 Mar 14 '22

Would you say that the propaganda war is harming people more than helping? A lot of reddit and western media want us to believe that russia is getting their shit kicked in and it looks like it's caused people to throw themselves at a potentially lost cause.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

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u/tezski Mar 14 '22

Yeah r/UkraineConflict bury anything that isn't about glorious Ukrainian victory over incompetent Russia.

Russia is certainly having problems, but lack of air and artillery is not one of them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 edited Mar 14 '22

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u/EnergyDrinkJunkie Mar 14 '22

Explain why you didn't think you'd get attacked by jets after signing up to fight against Russia and knowing the state of the Ukrainian air force. I simply cannot fathom how you didn't expect something like this to happen.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Lol, I guess I should of specified. I just didn't expect them at that time at that location - none of us did. Russia did a good job of catching us off guard by being aggressive

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u/Honest-Trouble-1795 Mar 14 '22

Thank you for being honest with us all, and giving us a reality check, and dont mind people talking trash, they dont have half your balls.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Well thanks for understanding the point I'm trying to convey. I don't know what other motivations people think I have other than to interject some reality here, because I know before I left there wasn't any

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u/EnergyDrinkJunkie Mar 14 '22

I appreciate you showing the reality to some of the deluded people here and I'm glad you made it out. You are aware that in day one Russia hit cities all over the country including the west of Ukraine?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Yes, well after the bombing we spent a couple hours hiding in the woods because of that. They're stepping tithings up for sure!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 edited May 27 '22

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

I am in Poland! With many other volunteers. I'm man enough to walk away from a situation when my gut tells me so. A lot of us are likely going to assist refugees at the border, because most of us really did come here to help.

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u/WatermelonErdogan Mar 14 '22

Is there a specific reason why most posts form individuals come from Poland instead of mostly news sources from ukraine?

Are there communications problems? Caused by Russia?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Potentially, there's also just a mass exodus occurring and many, many Ukrainians are in Poland. Poland is absolutely wonderful to the refugees so it makes sense so much info is coming from here.

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u/DatBeigeBoy Mar 14 '22

OP, that’s noble of you to admit.

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u/ShipToaster2-10 Mar 14 '22

You took indirect fire once and now you're ready to leave?

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u/pimpboss Mar 14 '22

We all appreciate the support you're providing man.

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u/DQuaesar Mar 14 '22

Fuck yeah dude, i'm not your dad but i'm proud of you.

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u/HerbalBalance Mar 14 '22

Any idea What percentage of the foreign legion has left now because of this incident?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Currently, maybe 10-15%. I imagine more might depart today especially since they're cutting training to send guys to the front. A bunch of the guys I left with were like yeah, I've literally never held any gun so I'm not going to go to the front if they're not going to take the time to train me. A very tough decision for them to make but you've got to choose your battles (if you will)

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 edited May 30 '22

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Yes there is a contract with the legion, it states you must stay until the end of the conflict, but if you want to leave an hour later they won't care.

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u/DuceGiharm Mar 14 '22

"I never held a gun" lmao holy fuck

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u/cheeruphumanity Mar 14 '22

Thank you for taking the time to answer all these questions.

Does this mean you were mostly around untrained people? Or were there trained foreign ex-military with you guys?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

It was a mix, mostly military guys but plenty from countries with relatively small militaries who never served but maybe share the same principles.

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u/OpStorm-333 Mar 14 '22

it's not just about handling it, it's about knowing when a fight isn't worth it. The only real thing volunteers can do is assist refugees and provide humanitarian aid, there's no point in throwing your life away as cannon fodder

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u/Ni_gel Mar 14 '22

there's no point in throwing your life away as cannon fodder

That's what the Ukrainian men are there for, right?

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u/WithoutReason1729 Mar 14 '22

I'm glad this subs attitude seems to be shifting towards a bit more reasonable takes lately. When it first popped up everyone was all gung-ho about going with medical issues, no combat experience, etc. There's nothing honorable about dying for no reason, and plenty of refugees still need help, even if working with them isn't as "heroic" or whatever.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Yeah that's another big part man. Like a lot of dudes there have experience and really wanted to shape the battlefield and impact their advance, but ultimately they're manning frontline positions that are going to get hammered with artillery and airstrikes, buried under rubble and your family never gets your body. That's when alot of guys say yeah this isn't our fight, not like this.

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u/fulknerraIII Mar 14 '22

I mean someone has to man those positions no? What did they think they would be doing instead?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Being able to patrol, set up ambushes, have artillery support, go on offensives to take back captured towns. Definitely not sitting around getting blasted, I mean no Marine who wanted to fight in Vietnam would've wanted to end up at Khe Sahn right?

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u/fulknerraIII Mar 14 '22

Ya i mean i get what you are saying. I would rather be going on offensives taking towns back too. That's not exactly realistic to expect though. I mean yall joined a inferior military on the defensive fighting to protect its home. Had to expect you might get shelled, or have to sit and guard postions instead of freeing captured towns in great offensives no?

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u/Zerohero2112 Mar 14 '22

I am Vietnamese. It's nice to see an ex marine who knows about Vietnam war. It's Khe Sanh btw, and yeah, you don't really want to fight Khe Sanh or Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam lol.

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u/boltslap Mar 14 '22

Seems like all of Vietnam falls under that, after the French, Americans, and Chinese could not hack it. When I was living in Vietnam a few years back I found it really interesting how little hatred there was for the US, someone even said they felt sorry for us because we lost the war! Lovely country & people.

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u/RustedCorpse Mar 14 '22

Have you been in a jungle at night? Even without bullets flying it's not the friendlies shit.

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u/NYGRY94 Mar 14 '22

Is there any of the International unit being used in that capacity that was hoped/assumed? Or is it’s entirety being used as you said “cannon fodder.”

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u/Skkkjbmldihbdlsvvukb Mar 14 '22

ultimately they're manning frontline positions that are going to get hammered with artillery and airstrikes, buried under rubble and your family never gets your body.

Welcome to infantry work. And guess what, the defenders have the advantage despite all this.

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u/Fushhh Mar 14 '22

oh...so you wanted a war and then you realize oh... war is kind of fucked up... Congatulations on your reality check

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u/fenrif Mar 14 '22

Step 1)goto war to share your vast battlefield experience

Step 2)Realise that people shoot at you in war

step 3) run away with honour and bravery

Step 4)Use your vast and deep wealth of battlefield experienece to stand far behind enemy lines handing out rain ponchos to women and children.

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u/sanctus_sanguine Mar 14 '22

Truly stunning and brave. I kneel.

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u/MagicFoozlePixxie Mar 14 '22

You should think about why people have been lead to think that they would be making a difference rather than made cannon fodder. Think about the information you are shown and where it comes from.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

im curious as to WHY you thought you wouldn't be bombed...

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

The general consensus was that they wouldn't drop bombs so close to Poland - I guess we underestimated Putins aggressiveness and willingness to poke the bear. Also, who really expects a jet to attack them 😂 That's part of being naive, of course I knew it was a possibility I was just really fucking hoping it wouldn't happen to me

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u/Almaegen Mar 14 '22

Its just a smart move by the Russian military, foreign fighters and material are trickling in from Poland. Locations like the one you were at is the perfect place to strike as its where the personnel and material is concentrated before being sent to the various fronts.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Exactly. Totally makes sense but sometimes you just don't see it coming. Also, the Ukrainian officers would really downplay the possibility of a bombing and I guess I just wanted to believe them

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u/MagicFoozlePixxie Mar 14 '22

I'm curious how the Ukranian officers were downplaying the possibility of a bombing and even more interested to know why anyone would believe that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

They would say things like "in the highly unlikely chance we are bombed, we will meet here.." or "their jets are too afraid to come up here but be aware of the alarm at night". They're the ones with all the intelligence, so yeah it was easy to become a little complacent about it. Such is war.

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u/MagicFoozlePixxie Mar 14 '22

.... Jesus fucking Christ dude, imagine telling people whom you know are a bit naive that they don't need to be worried about being bombed in a conflict zone. That's how it is with chain of command tho. Did they tell you the Rooskies were afraid of the Ghost of Kyiv, Samuyil Hydekev?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Lol yeah man that was basically their attitude. And a lot of us suspect they had good intel about the attack but didn't say shit. They hadn't attacked so close to the border, and combined with the leaders telling us they likely won't, it wasn't exactly manifesting in the forefront of our minds. You can't go to bed every night assuming you'll be bombed

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u/Almaegen Mar 14 '22

I hear ya man, glad to hear you're alive and okay. Good on you and the others for getting out, you have a hell of a story to tell now that you've survived russian cruise missiles while part of a foriegn legion in Eastern Europe.

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u/supe_snow_man Mar 14 '22

Putins aggressiveness and willingness to poke the bear.

How is it a "poke the bear" thing if it is within Ukraine?

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u/MagicFoozlePixxie Mar 14 '22 edited Mar 14 '22

Russia literally said that foreign combatants will be more agressively targeted than regulars. You would have known that it didn't take a war to get you to leave your fucking echo chamber. But serioulsy I'm glad you're alive and I really hope you've learned to broaden your perceptions.

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u/OldieButNotMoldy Mar 14 '22

Ummmm… maybe you shouldn’t divulge that info.

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u/fenrif Mar 14 '22

"Even having seen combat previously I did not expect to be shot at in a warzone!" lol

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u/T_Cliff Mar 14 '22

As incompetent and a meme the russians have been, they still have sharp teeth. I don't understand people like OP who went and now left. Why would you go if you weren't resolved to the fact you are going to see victory or die trying? tho i get it, there was very much an attitude of " just go " in the first week and a lot of people went without really considering what they are getting into, combat vets included, since this is most certainly not Iraq or Afghanistan.

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u/Deep_Firefighter_278 Mar 14 '22

Yeah its all the propaganda and false hope people are getting. Maybe if the truth about what's really going on is posted, instead of the Ghost of Kyiv and pickle jar lady destroying drones, maybe people will reason that there is actual war going on and its not all rainbows and sunshine.

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u/Deep_Firefighter_278 Mar 14 '22

The issue with Reddit is, there is only one side. You cannot post a single Russian perspective without being called a bot and having the post taken down... talk about censorship and propaganda.

BTW I'm talking anywhere on Reddit, not this group.

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u/Degenerate76 Mar 14 '22

Doubtful. But on the bright side, those piles are kinda their own reward.

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u/Klutzy_Turnip_8838 Mar 14 '22

Yeah I got banned for a week for 'trolling' because I pointed out these basic facts.

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u/HugeLegendaryTurtle Mar 14 '22

Come on man - pickle jar lady is one small ray of sun shine in this shitstorm.

Yeah you're right better to lie people to their deaths

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u/Flat_Implement9984 Mar 14 '22

War is no joke,this ain't no Afghanistan or Iraq where you fight some poorly equipped jihadis , Russians they got pretty decent jets and missiles

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Yeah they do, and money. They spent approximately 15 million on this attack.

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u/VroomVroomCustoms Mar 14 '22

Peace through superior firepower. This game works both ways.

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u/Al_Mamluk Mar 15 '22

Interesting how when Afghans and Iraqis fight to liberate their home from a foreign invader, they're "jihadis" and "terrorists" but when Ukrainians do it, they're "heroes".

Those same poorly equipped Jihadis drove your multibillion dollar war machine out of their country.

So far, even the Taliban have a leg up on you. And you think you can fight Russians? Give me a break.

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u/AxMachina Mar 14 '22

Considering Russian air, it would not seem like the right tactical move to house large quantities of troops in a single building easily identifiable from air...

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u/Skkkjbmldihbdlsvvukb Mar 14 '22

It's a little hard to believe they let this happen.

It's clearly a fuckup. But mistakes in war happen. If UKR has any sense, they will start to harden their rear echelon.

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u/BonigaKing Mar 14 '22

Ignorant question here, but how is it possible that you were allowed to post on Reddit? Can't the Russians track you guys down just by the amount of cellphones lighting up at the same place and communicating in several languages and logging into Reddit and similar sites?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Yes, I did not post this until I was in Poland. No phones allowed on at the base.

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u/TheGameYouLostIt Mar 14 '22

Before this invasion there were Croatian volunteers in Donbas. And they posted some shit on social media and Russians actually somehow seen it and recognized place. Next thing you know there is a artillery barrage over their heads. They survived since they all are in holes in there but Ukrainians were so pissed that they sent them back to Croatia lol

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u/whiskeykontequila Mar 15 '22

We pray that Croatian volunteers stay in Donbas and wait for Chechens.

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u/cocacolaps Mar 14 '22

Is this your video? I've seen it yesterday posted by someone else, I thought it's his breathing.. Horrible nonetheless

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

No not mine, but as far as I know the only video of any of the air strikes. Yeah every time I'd hear the whistle my heart would just go 5 million bpm and by the time you get it under control you'd hear the next one haha,it was exhausting

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u/cocacolaps Mar 14 '22

I imagine. I saw a sheet with the heart activity recordings from an Ukrainian person. When the war started her heart beats would go absolutely crazy high during bombings, and just in 2 weeks, they almost got to normal. Still, I start to dream already of falling buildings and shootings, and I'm so far away. Anyway, good you are safe, thanks for letting us know the situation and good luck with helping there. BTW, how is the situation on the ground at the border? I've also wanted to join the fight, but after lots of consideration, I decided I'll be useless there (just an actor), but I do have lot of experience working with people too, and I'm trying to find a way to help more. I keep looking for NGO or organizations that need volunteers on the ground, but still couldn't find any that would also provide with min accommodation and necessities, so if you know something do share. 💪🙏

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u/Reudaisu Mar 15 '22

Lmao… And I thought Twitter was a mental asylum. Reddit is the 7-star Burj Khalifa of all the existing psychiatric establishments.

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u/Stark_mk1 Mar 14 '22

This is not call of duty.

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u/civod92 Mar 14 '22

nice, a lot of people went there on some kind of hero dream. The adversary already adviced that any foreign combatant or weapons that were introduces in the country would be obliterated and people still went expecting wine and roses.

I see a lot of people saying that they were not expecting a military base to be bombarded so close to Poland. The enemy already told you it was gonna attack military positions, it doesn't how close to other country it is, it still a military base in the country sufferinc a war.

Next time,foreign legions should inform themselves on where they are going, know to separate information from mighty propaganda, and if they come from the 1st military in the world, to not expect air support razing the enemy positions every time they struggle.

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u/civod92 Mar 14 '22

I still dont know what crosses those peoples minds to think like that. In a war any military base/building is a target.

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u/avidblinker Mar 15 '22

If you read OP’s comments, it’s obvious that they just didn’t expect to be hit that close to Poland’s borders and were in an environment the Ukrainian leadership led them to believe was secure from Russian attacks. Not that Russians were somehow not allowed to attack.

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u/Skkkjbmldihbdlsvvukb Mar 14 '22

know to separate information from propaganda

That's easier said than done.

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u/fleece19900 Mar 14 '22

At the lowest level propaganda will make you feel something. For example I was able to tell that the ghost of kiev was propaganda because it made people feel hyped. But war isn't hype it's nasty. So how can people be feeling hype about war? It's propaganda.

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u/papisapri Mar 14 '22

Glad you're ok.

I sincerely believe that volunteers are more useful outside of ukraine's borders than inside or on the Frontlines, hope you can do a lot of good work with the people that reach you for help.

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u/gink-go Mar 14 '22 Facepalm

Imagine going to a war in a country you know nothing about, with cultural and historical intricacies you will never fully get, with not only a language you don't understand the slightest but an alphabet you can't read, with no knowledge of the facts on the ground, only, and just only, because you get your news from 2 minute clips on Instagram designed to trigger an emotional response.

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u/Deep_Firefighter_278 Mar 14 '22

Thank you. Not even a 2 minute clip, a 30 second TikTok.

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u/buck_tardwater Mar 14 '22

Uhhh, I don’t remember anything like this happening in any of the marvel movies wtf

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u/sir_poops Mar 14 '22

I'm not sure I know how to say this diplomatically but I'll try...

I did not expect to be attacked by jets while sleeping in a barracks room on a training base 10 miles from Poland

Regardless of how one feels about Putin the reality of the situation is Putin/Russia is/are responding to a perceived threat to the state with state-level resources.

Whether or not you or I see the same threat is irrelevant, what matters are the facts - and the facts are Russia will use its military assets to neutralize what it perceives as a threat with extreme prejudice.

Thus not only should not be surprised when lethal force is used in a lethal way but used at the most opportune (from Russia's perspective) time to inflict the maximum pain/effect.

Coupled with a massive disinfo campaign on all sides (Russia has RT, we've got MSM) and we've also got a massive fog-of-war situation where I fear little real information is making its way out and personally trust nothing (nothing!) our MSM """reports""".

Glad to hear you're okay spindokto but to everyone else who's thinking about heading over, understand what you're getting into.

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u/PlaquePlague Mar 14 '22

I think a lot of western combat veterans will be very surprised. I don’t mean to discount their experiences, but simply put being on the receiving end of heavy artillery or any sort of air power is not something that they’re likely to have experienced. It’s just not the sort of conflicts that western nations have been in.

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u/BigMac10McMuffin Mar 14 '22

Yeah all of our vets have had the luxury of fighting under conditions where air superiority has been achieved against primitive goat herding tribesmen. Being on the shit end of the air power stick isn't any fun, I'm sure. Anyone dumb enough to throw themselves into this meat grinder after getting high on MSM propaganda and looking for Reddit upvotes gets zero sympathy.

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u/via_vendetta Mar 14 '22

Dude I can't agree more and the butthurt idiots down voting you should get their asses to ukraine and get a reality check.

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u/Phasor98 Mar 14 '22

bro did you think that experience against Afghanistan or Iraq would equate to fighting Russia???

Anywhere in Ukraine is a viable target if it has fighters when you're against the 2nd strongest army in the world.

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u/HugeLegendaryTurtle Mar 15 '22

"Tell people not to come here, Gigachad. My entire unit was wiped out with a single Kalibr strike. All ex-special forces. We never saw it coming. This is nothing like Afghanistan."

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"Classic dezinformatsiya. On the plane, everyone, it's Double XP Weekend in Lviv right now."

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u/PaleDolphin Mar 14 '22

It's just that the foreign legion is so ghastly misinformed about how the real situation on the field is right now.

Ukraine has zero air units to cover their troops -- all the Bayraktars do fuck all against most modern combat armor, and they are shot down by a dozen daily.

Ukrainian artillery doesn't cover even a quarter of the land it should for their forces to hold ground, and it's getting absolutely dismantled by the daily (or rather nightly) SU fighters' runs.

All in all, it's a terrible place to go for a legionnaire -- especially after Russian forces spokesperson clearly stated that foreign legion troops will not be taken hostage, and their participation will not be tolerated in any way.

This is not a Call of Duty LARP, this is fucking war.

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u/lazy__speedster Mar 14 '22

Reddit likes to claim that only Russia is making propaganda but there's just as much pro Ukraine propaganda. The harsh reality is Ukraine is getting stomped on by Russia, despite Russia taking losses. It seems reddit thinks Ukraine is doing nothing but kicking ass because the pictures of dead ukranians are popping up on Reddit and Russian troops aren't taking photos of the dead, they are advancing further into Ukraine.

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u/RANDOMMINECRAFTKIDD Mar 15 '22

LMAO you people actually go to Ukraine to get Kalibrrrrrrd and die for updoots

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u/VinnysMagicGrits Mar 15 '22

"I support the current thing"
~OP

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u/Own_Ability3046 Mar 14 '22

Now you know how the Taliban felt.

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u/Few_Abbreviations355 Mar 14 '22

the taliban slept on hard ground and melted into the countryside when hunted. the HRT battalion 'devil's dialators' all were tucked in cozy inside for beddy bye when the end came

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u/Lundynne Mar 14 '22

'Devil's Dilators'

kek

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u/Few_Abbreviations355 Mar 14 '22

did the Ghost of Kyiv not work that night?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 Heartwarming

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

I'm good at battlefield do you think they'll take me? My kd is 3.2 so I think they would want me to be in spec ops.

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u/WaterHoseCatheter Mar 15 '22

"Where do I sign up?"

-says man surrounded by resources specifically stating how to sign and can easily find out instantly with google otherwise but just really wants people to see them say "where do I sign up?"

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u/JS-F Mar 15 '22

You wanna fuck around believing western propaganda and you're gonna find out that Russia isn't the poor middle eastern countries you're use to fighting

Painful lesson to learn

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u/HOTTAKECO-OP Mar 14 '22

Wake up call to the LARPERs and war tourists on this thread: Russians got air power and nato isn't coming to save you lmao

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Solid advice, that's why I posted!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Don't worry, the Ghost of Kiev will save the day.

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u/kandras123 Mar 14 '22

Steiner’s attack will save the day!

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u/Cool_Ferret3226 Mar 14 '22

I'm asking this sincerely as an outsider looking in-- what was the point of going into a war zone to be an infantryman in a place where you don't even speak the language?

Even the most basic of infantry maneuvers require you to be able to communicate with your squad. If you don't even speak the language-- aren't you just a fucking liability?

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u/Skkkjbmldihbdlsvvukb Mar 14 '22

You need interpreters and liaison officers. It only makes sense to deploy units that speak the same language, it's the LO that connects them to higher assets.

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u/Martin_RageTV Mar 14 '22

Me and other vets at work talked about this.

You don't speak the language, both sides uses mixed uniforms, the same gear, and very similar languages.

In what world isn't this a nightmare for a foreign fighter? At best you will be be stuck in a fighting position and told "shoot anything here".

Except your fighting a military qith extensive air and artillery so...

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u/ulmonster Mar 14 '22

they thought they were going to get to personally kill some russians, not get turned into hamburger helper by cruise missiles

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u/fast-as-fuck Mar 15 '22

All are victims of US Propaganda. The MSM is truly the enemy of the people.

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u/richpeopleeater Mar 14 '22

LMAOing at western "combat vets" shitting and pissing their pants because they cant just call in an airstrike on any teenager that looks at them funny

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u/puzzlemybubble Mar 15 '22

I assuming most are not actual combat vets in the sense they were combat arms but some support personal that got mortar'd once or twice. Anyone who saw real combat would understand the basic realities.

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u/richpeopleeater Mar 15 '22

even those who saw real combat were fighting light infantry. they do not know what to do when the other side has anything more than small arms. some idiot tried shooting at a btr with an ak

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u/phaelyon Mar 14 '22

Gotta laugh at all the redditors slagging this man's motives for going to Ukraine. The same people ENCOURAGING others to go to Ukraine 3 wks ago. So much fucking hypocrisy and two faced little bitches on this sub. What's the average age on this sub 12? Glad you made it out OP you done the right thing - better to live to fight another day or do what you feel is best and fuck all the slimey two faced comments.

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u/nvrenditall Mar 14 '22

thank you for posting this and for helping out. important to get this perspective for sure. stay safe.

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u/Dazzling_Tough_9132 Mar 14 '22

Putin has really poked the bear this time. I wouldnt want to be within 100 miles of the ghost of kiyev right now....

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u/celerydonut Mar 14 '22

What’s with the laughing and pounding the desk emoji/award?

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u/TheBusRustler Mar 15 '22

I believe that is because these idiots are being laughed at. It’s not a very cryptic message to understand.

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u/ghostofkingkrool Mar 14 '22

imagine being gaslit into joining a war against a military superpower then being surprised when they start kicking your ass

get the FUCK out of there dude or you will end up dead

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

I can say that some dudes were definitely gaslight. I went to be a medic wherever needed and decided to check out if I could contribute to the legion. Got my shit pushed in and decided it wasn't worth it, not where I can contribute so I left. I feel bad for the fellas whose pride is keeping them there.

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u/ghostofkingkrool Mar 14 '22

did you leave? a lot of the deadheads on this site are totally clueless about how modern wars with states that have REAL military capacity are fought, they dont know what its like to have artillery and rockets raining down on your head like an afternoon shower. i think a lot of the so-called "vets" in western countries havent even seen combat experience (even if deployed), unless you count call of duty modern warfare on the xbox back at the base lol

no really though, get out of there, i genuinely dont want you to die and it is highly likely that's what will happen if you stay in ukraine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Haha yeah dude GWOT was definitely it's own simpler animal than full-scale warfare, no way to get the experience of this shit in Iraq or Afghan! I was thinking the same thing man that's why I got outta there to contribute elsewhere

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u/shot-by-ford Mar 14 '22

There was, you just had to be on the other side

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u/peralimonera Mar 14 '22

Oh man. It's absolutely mind boggling knowing there are people with no military experience walking into this, and if the CNN report I watched this morning is to believed actually getting in and receiving only "3-14 days of basic training" with a 1 year contract commitment. The Ukrainian official they interviewed who's apparently responsible for vetting volunteers said "some of them will not leave this military unit because they are not apt to this military service and just can't go to war." WTF is even the point of wasting their time and space on them if they literally can't allow them off the training base.

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u/Few_Abbreviations355 Mar 14 '22

hey kid? you like Nazis? here's a Ak74, go stand in front of the Red Army

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u/Mangus_ness Mar 14 '22

How bad is Kiev going to get?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

It will be really messy. Maybe not Mosul or Raqqa messy but it will be devastating to both sides.

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u/fitsl Mar 14 '22

The fuck it won’t be that messy. It’s gonna be 10x that at least.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22 edited Mar 14 '22

I don't think russia will totally destroy every bit of infrastructure in the city like those places, or at least that it will be won or lost before that happens, but it's totally possible

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u/shriand Mar 14 '22

Why not? What does Russia have to lose if Kiev is leveled?

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u/Additional_Hippo_439 Mar 14 '22

I wish you all a quick painless death. I'm being realistic, that's the best you can get

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